| 00:02.29 | ephexx | hmmm |
| 00:02.31 | ephexx | nope didnt seem to work |
| 00:08.40 | ephexx | im guessing i missed a file |
| 00:11.50 | ephexx | ah tricky, i was in the wrong 'saved variables' folder.. |
| 00:18.45 | CIA-45 | gatherer: 03loial * r809 10/branches/3d_HUD/GatherHUD.lua: |
| 00:18.45 | CIA-45 | gatherer: Implements [GATH-115] Makes HUD more beautiful and adds custom icons for HUD |
| 00:18.45 | CIA-45 | gatherer: Limited the use of tables to a minimum to fix the problem of runaway memory usage. |
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| 02:15.51 | Azzco | Wow quite a lot of people in here. |
| 02:17.25 | Azzco | All idle? o.O |
| 02:17.39 | Hirsute-Home | Mostly. |
| 02:17.42 | Hirsute-Home | What's up? |
| 02:18.16 | Azzco | I just got accused of cheating by one of the higher ups in my guild when describing how auctioneer worked.. Just wondering how I prove that I'm innocent. :S |
| 02:18.48 | Anaralx2 | Tell him to look at the site.... www.auctioneer.com |
| 02:19.03 | Hirsute-Home | Well, addons can't generally be cosidered against the rules, because if Blizz doesn't like what they're doing, they break them. |
| 02:19.07 | Anaralx2 | Did he give specifics to how it's cheating? |
| 02:19.20 | Azzco | Is there any page that cover the whole etiquett busines? |
| 02:19.45 | Azzco | Not really he just got very hostile and threatened to kick me from the guild. =/ |
| 02:19.55 | Hirsute-Home | But, how do you *prove* your innocent, you probably don't. If he doesn't know about auctioneer, reading a little about it might straighten him out. If he does and is just a hater, well, probably not much we can do. |
| 02:20.04 | Hirsute-Home | What server ? |
| 02:22.29 | MentalPower | he can come here, but he'll say we're far from objective since we write it :) |
| 02:22.48 | Hirsute-Home | *nod* |
| 02:23.02 | Hirsute-Home | Again, if he knows about it, and is a hater... Best you can do is try not to step on his toes. |
| 02:23.03 | MentalPower | he can also rant on the forums, he'll get a nice bashing there from other users, tho it will probably be more objective in his ming |
| 02:23.05 | MentalPower | mind* |
| 02:23.29 | MentalPower | TBH, its a conversation that's long overdue |
| 02:24.12 | Azzco | Oh sorry had to run out and help with a thing, (a shelf fell down and there's glass all over the floor) Okay thanks for the advice. :) I've got to go now. =s |
| 02:26.23 | MattBnr | auctioneer? cheating? wow the most used addon in the entire game and he doesnt use it? |
| 02:29.39 | Hirsute-Home | Or he could read the official forums. There's plenty of hate for Auctioneer there, but in general people acknowledge that it's as legal as any other addon. |
| 02:30.54 | MattBnr | AUCTIONEER FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:31.19 | MattBnr | hes probably one of those " if you have to use addosn your a noob" people |
| 02:31.35 | MattBnr | noob, newb, nub w/e they say these times |
| 02:32.10 | Anaralx2 | Auctioneer is about as much a cheat as Gatherer is. ;) |
| 02:32.15 | MattBnr | lot of people i see are liek that. they dont believe in addons |
| 02:32.53 | MattBnr | my friend is scared to use them as she is afraid they will " meee us her game" |
| 02:32.57 | MattBnr | mess* |
| 02:33.08 | MattBnr | wow let me try again. mess up her game |
| 02:33.21 | JoBbZ | auctioneer is as illegal as any other addon |
| 02:33.27 | JoBbZ | and even blizzard has addons |
| 02:33.34 | JoBbZ | so if blizzard is illegal :P |
| 02:33.36 | JoBbZ | that's my logic |
| 02:33.36 | JoBbZ | ha ha |
| 02:33.57 | MattBnr | i totally agree but some people are totally against addons |
| 02:34.05 | JoBbZ | yeah |
| 02:34.05 | JoBbZ | well |
| 02:34.09 | JoBbZ | welcome to the real world :P |
| 02:34.12 | MattBnr | i dont know why i think its they cant figure out how to install them |
| 02:34.19 | JoBbZ | I can't see blizzard ever banning them |
| 02:34.23 | JoBbZ | they'd lose a ton of players |
| 02:34.47 | MattBnr | i tried playing without addons and wow it sucked so bad |
| 02:34.56 | JoBbZ | yeah |
| 02:34.59 | JoBbZ | back when I played MUDs |
| 02:35.05 | JoBbZ | I had all sorts of the equivalents for addons |
| 02:35.13 | MattBnr | i couldnt even figure out how to use the ah after using auctioneer for so long |
| 02:35.19 | JoBbZ | lol |
| 02:36.46 | MattBnr | couple that with carbonite and i couldnt even figure out how to do quests so yeah i have to have my addons |
| 02:36.57 | MattBnr | i wouldnt play this game without them |
| 02:37.54 | JoBbZ | hm never used carbonite |
| 02:38.02 | JoBbZ | i use questguru+tomtom+lightheaded |
| 02:43.28 | MattBnr | i liek having a single addon that takes the place of 3-5 addons |
| 02:44.59 | JoBbZ | what do they mean by "full version" do they charge or something? |
| 02:45.07 | MattBnr | yes 15 bucks a year |
| 02:45.20 | MattBnr | i figure i can afford 1 bucks a month |
| 03:27.32 | Legorol | it's understandable if there are people who don't want to use addons, there can be a multitude of reasons: |
| 03:27.47 | Legorol | 1) mistrust of any third party tools that doesn't come directly from the publisher |
| 03:28.18 | MattBnr | only if you dont knwo anything about the addon. or how addons work |
| 03:28.21 | Legorol | this can take many forms, like an irrational distrust, or just not trusting that the quality is the same as that of the blizzard product (which is often true) |
| 03:28.40 | Legorol | MattBnr, there can be many reasons to distrust them, and buggy/crap addons is as valid a reason as any |
| 03:29.00 | Legorol | 2) the "purists", who like the enjoy the game it was created by blizzard dont' want to modify/change it |
| 03:29.21 | Hirsute-Home | ^^^^ I ignore them when they ask where something is. |
| 03:29.27 | MattBnr | me too |
| 03:29.32 | Hirsute-Home | If you aren't willing to get coordinates, don't ask where something is. |
| 03:29.38 | MattBnr | where is this? where is this person? where do i go for this? |
| 03:29.40 | Legorol | i think that's a very bad attitude |
| 03:29.52 | Legorol | I think that explaining where something is using words, in an mmoRPG, can be fun |
| 03:29.56 | MattBnr | i was in stv and a guy was asking for every single quest he was on |
| 03:29.58 | Legorol | you don't have to help them, but you shouldn't look down on them |
| 03:30.04 | Legorol | sure, there are idiots |
| 03:30.16 | Legorol | but you can't generalise from that and say "anyone who is not using coordinates is a moron" |
| 03:30.38 | MattBnr | no but if your not gonan use a tool to help you you can expect everyone else to help you that does have the tool |
| 03:30.52 | Legorol | you know, there IS such a thing as playing WoW without coordinates, it was fine back when there were no coord addons yet :P |
| 03:31.00 | MattBnr | liek i want to pund in this nail but i dont want to use a hammer can you use your hammer and pound it in for me |
| 03:31.14 | Legorol | i think the analogy is flawed for a lot of reasons |
| 03:31.16 | Nechckn_AFK | Legorol for coordinates, is the one thing that I don't agree with you- and yes, I've played WoW and many others without. |
| 03:31.17 | Hirsute-Home | Legorol: I just refuse to help someone who won't take simple actions to make it possible for me to do it in an efficient way. |
| 03:31.32 | Legorol | the analogy would be if you didn't want to help someone who is only willing to use a hammer, instead of this auto-magical nail-inserter |
| 03:31.46 | Legorol | Hirsute-Home: there is nothing wrong with refusing to help |
| 03:31.54 | Hirsute-Home | Legorol: Change the hammer to a rock, and it's more accurate |
| 03:32.06 | Legorol | there is a lot of things wrong with looking down on people who don't want to use addons, or calling them idiots/lazy/moron, just because they dont' use addons |
| 03:32.39 | MattBnr | i only call them that if they ask for help all the freaking time then when i tell them what addon to sue to give them the info they go off on me for "polluting the game" |
| 03:32.46 | MattBnr | use* |
| 03:32.47 | Cera | just consider what beta and probably the release was like in the starting zones |
| 03:32.54 | Legorol | I write addons, I use about 200 of them (of which probably 10 or so can provide me with coordinates), yet I don't like to get directions using coords. |
| 03:32.55 | MattBnr | they say they dont need addosn to paly the game |
| 03:33.01 | Hirsute-Home | Absolutely, they don't have to, but the ones who throw a tantrum because I won't take 5 times as long to help them because they won't even run a simple macro, which I'm happy to tell them about, can bug off. |
| 03:33.03 | Legorol | I prefer verbal explanations, because they are more fun and immersive |
| 03:33.05 | Cera | every 5 mins someone asks for directions to a quest you just explained |
| 03:33.20 | Nechckn_AFK | I don't ever call them anything, but I will preface such help with "You really should get a coordinates addon" |
| 03:33.47 | Nechckn_AFK | For many, many other things I can understand not using/not wanting to use addons, though |
| 03:33.50 | MattBnr | STV is the perfect place to find these people at |
| 03:34.01 | Legorol | Please understand I'm not defending idiots |
| 03:34.10 | Legorol | However, I *am* defending people's right to not use addons |
| 03:34.11 | Hirsute-Home | "Where do I find Bloodstone ore?" |
| 03:34.19 | Hirsute-Home | "At a cave up around 84,33" |
| 03:34.20 | MattBnr | where is this guy at? ok hes over here oh i dont use coords. oh well go east from this place oh which way is that |
| 03:34.24 | Hirsute-Home | "I don't have coordinates" |
| 03:34.32 | Hirsute-Home | "It's in the northeast corner of the map" |
| 03:34.37 | Hirsute-Home | "Can you tell me more precisely?" |
| 03:34.37 | Legorol | You don't need to help idiots. |
| 03:34.41 | Hirsute-Home | "If you get coordinates" |
| 03:34.43 | Legorol | I never said that you need to help them :) |
| 03:35.00 | Hirsute-Home | Nod, just a typical example of how the exchange goes. |
| 03:35.14 | Legorol | I think those requests, from someone who doesn't want to use addons, are reasonable if done politely, after demonstrating that they put some effort into trying to find it themselves. |
| 03:35.27 | Legorol | I agree that 99% of the time the person in question is just a moron. |
| 03:35.32 | Legorol | I ignore morons too. |
| 03:35.37 | Cera | how do you explain coordinates to someone who hasn't even uncovered the map? |
| 03:35.45 | Legorol | However, I will help, with detailed verbal explanations, anyone who is polite and reasonable |
| 03:35.51 | Cera | which is usually the case for anyone asking |
| 03:35.53 | Legorol | Cera: you don't explain coordinates |
| 03:35.56 | Hirsute-Home | That's as far as it goes with me and people who won't use addons. If they won't, bully for them, but again, I'm not going to take extra time out of my game to help them when they're making it unnecessarily inefficient. |
| 03:35.59 | Legorol | you explain where to go and how |
| 03:36.20 | Legorol | Hirsute-Home: that is perfectly fine, and within your right |
| 03:36.25 | Legorol | I never said you *have to* help someone |
| 03:36.29 | Cera | the best you can say is things like "the top left of the map" |
| 03:36.32 | Hirsute-Home | Cera: Most addons I'm aware of that give coords give them in a way you can watch them as you move. You give coordinates, the person moves so that the numbers move closer to the numbers you get. |
| 03:36.37 | Legorol | I just disagree with the "unnecessarily inefficient" |
| 03:37.01 | Legorol | I think that anything that uses in-game tools, and in-game tools only, is good enough. Yes there are more efficient ways of doing it, but those are *optional* |
| 03:37.18 | Hirsute-Home | It is *absolutely* unnecessarily inefficient. They may like it better that way, it's still inefficient in the face of the existence of tools to make it more efficient. |
| 03:37.46 | Legorol | I have to strongly disagree with the "unnecessarily" part |
| 03:37.56 | Legorol | The existence of a better tool doesn't make the use of the tool mandatory. |
| 03:38.00 | Cera | Hirsute-Home I'm talking about how do you direct someone to something so precise as a npc location without giving them a set of coords |
| 03:38.11 | Hirsute-Home | Cera: *nod* |
| 03:38.12 | Legorol | Cera: you can do it just fine if you feel like it. |
| 03:38.16 | Legorol | If you don't feel like it, you don't have to. |
| 03:38.29 | Legorol | I have helped (sensible) people on countless occasions down to a T. |
| 03:38.36 | Legorol | again, i will reiterate, not morons |
| 03:38.42 | Hirsute-Home | Legorol: I didn't say using the tool was necessary, just that refusing to use the tool is not necessary, either. Unneccessarily inefficient. |
| 03:39.01 | MattBnr | sure you can pound the nail in with a rock but a hammer or air activated nail gun woudl be better |
| 03:39.11 | Legorol | "refusing the tool is not necessary" => "using the tool is necessary" |
| 03:39.18 | Legorol | sorry but your statement seems to imply that |
| 03:39.22 | Hirsute-Home | No. |
| 03:39.57 | Legorol | I can 100% relate to someone to just wanting to fire up the game, log in, and get on with life in-game. |
| 03:40.01 | Legorol | WIthout any 3rd party additions. |
| 03:40.04 | Cera | Legorol explain to me how to get to the blue pearl area in stv |
| 03:40.08 | MattBnr | i guess i am the kind of person that taked advantage of a tool if its there for me to use. |
| 03:40.16 | Hirsute-Home | Example of necessarily inefficient: We have to guess at which auctions are which when using the SUI, because Blizz won't give us uIDs for auctions. It is an inefficient process, but it's necessarily inefficient, because the tools don't exist to make it efficient. |
| 03:40.20 | Legorol | cera: if i knew which one's the blue pearl area i would :) |
| 03:40.37 | Legorol | if you prefer, i can direct you to the vendor that sells the first aid books in arathi |
| 03:40.52 | Hirsute-Home | If the tools exist to make something efficient, and someone refuses to use them, there is nothing forcing the inefficiency, they are choosing it, thus, it's unnecessary. |
| 03:41.02 | Cera | alright do it |
| 03:41.19 | Legorol | Hirsute-Home: you are implying that everything in your life must be 100% optimal and efficient all the time |
| 03:41.29 | Legorol | because in almost every real life situation there's a more efficient way of doing it |
| 03:41.35 | Legorol | people are not robots |
| 03:41.42 | MattBnr | 27,59 |
| 03:41.52 | MattBnr | that is the coords to the vendor first aid in arathi |
| 03:41.58 | Legorol | Cera: may i assume that you have the FP in arathi, so i can direct you from there? |
| 03:42.01 | Hirsute-Home | Legorol: I'm a medical student. If I'm going to get anything done, it must be done as efficiently as I know how to do it. |
| 03:42.20 | Legorol | Hirsute-Home: i never refuted your right to do it efficiently |
| 03:42.29 | Legorol | I'm just maintaining other people's right to do things inefficiently |
| 03:42.30 | Cera | I just came from wetlands |
| 03:42.47 | MattBnr | this is a lost cause discussion |
| 03:42.52 | Legorol | (btw, using your time to debate this issue with me is a horribly inefficient use of your time, youc ould be farming in WoW instead) |
| 03:42.57 | Legorol | yes, we have to agree to disagree |
| 03:43.03 | Hirsute-Home | Legorol: Absolutely, it's their right, but just as it is unnecessary to seek efficiency, it is unnecessary to run from it. |
| 03:43.07 | Legorol | I will never, ever force or advocate someone that they must get addons |
| 03:43.22 | Cera | eh, I'll be at the gold cap by the end of the month, who needs to farm |
| 03:43.27 | Legorol | Hirsute-Home: i don't think that these people, in their minds, are running from efficiency as such |
| 03:43.27 | MattBnr | its stupid if people want to be dmb its their choice but they dont need to yell at me when i tell them how to improve on there gameplay experience |
| 03:43.45 | Legorol | i don't think anyone ever needs to yell :o) |
| 03:43.51 | Legorol | again, i will say: i'm not on the side of morons |
| 03:43.52 | MattBnr | no they are choosing no tot use a tool in front of them |
| 03:43.58 | Legorol | i'm on the side of polite people who don't use addons |
| 03:44.08 | Legorol | i would disagree that it's in front of them |
| 03:44.18 | Hirsute-Home | Legorol: And I'm not, in my mind running from "immersion". I'm still avoiding it, and they are still avoiding efficiency. That may not be their intent, it doesn't change that it's what they're doing. |
| 03:44.19 | Legorol | a 3rd party addon isn't exactly a directly available tool |
| 03:44.19 | Cera | so how do I get my first aid book, I just came from wetlands and haven't been to arathi before |
| 03:44.21 | MattBnr | with the net everything is in front of you |
| 03:44.43 | MattBnr | go to 27,59 |
| 03:45.00 | Cera | I don't know where that is |
| 03:45.01 | Hirsute-Home | Again, unnecessary doesn't imply wrong, just that it could be otherwise. |
| 03:45.03 | Legorol | Cera: may I assume that you are intelligent though and familiar with north/south etc. as well as basic game mechancis? |
| 03:45.18 | Cera | sure |
| 03:45.18 | Legorol | I will assume that you are intelligent, just not familiar with arathi |
| 03:45.24 | MattBnr | oh you wan tthe long step by step long drawn out 30 min directions |
| 03:45.34 | Legorol | Did you enter arathi via the road leading through the wall in the west side of the zone? |
| 03:45.35 | MattBnr | follow the road till it splits north then go that way |
| 03:45.43 | Legorol | lol MattBnr, it's south |
| 03:45.46 | Legorol | but nvm that |
| 03:45.46 | Cera | I came from wetlands! |
| 03:45.55 | Legorol | oops, misread |
| 03:45.56 | Legorol | apologies |
| 03:46.03 | Cera | who's unfamiliar now :p |
| 03:46.10 | Legorol | i just misread it :) |
| 03:46.46 | Legorol | anyway, follow the road north indead, and first follow the road signs at each junction you meet to get to refuge point |
| 03:46.49 | Legorol | get the FP :P |
| 03:47.14 | Legorol | (yes there are road signs in WoW, and they are brilliantly implemented actually) |
| 03:47.19 | Cera | oh no, a raptor killed me |
| 03:47.25 | Cera | jk :D |
| 03:47.32 | Legorol | lol, that was a good one |
| 03:47.53 | Cera | got the fp |
| 03:47.58 | Legorol | once you got the FP in refuge point (which is optional) head out south from there, until you hit the road, and start following it west |
| 03:48.28 | Legorol | as you head west, keep an eye on your left, soon you will be able to start seeing Stromgarde Keep |
| 03:48.31 | Cera | wtf an undead guy with bodygaurds killed me |
| 03:48.32 | Hirsute-Home | (dies again from running into the Courier and his gang) |
| 03:48.36 | Legorol | haha Cera |
| 03:48.37 | Cera | for real this time |
| 03:48.38 | Hirsute-Home | I hated running around Arathi. |
| 03:49.09 | Cera | (5 mins goes by) okay where do I go again? |
| 03:49.12 | Legorol | as you follow the road west, you will pass a small pond on your left, immediately followed by a T-junction in the road |
| 03:49.18 | Hirsute-Home | I take pure joy in Volleying that courier down now. |
| 03:49.40 | Cera | a pond? you mean this castle with a moat? |
| 03:49.41 | Legorol | turn south at that junction, which should lead you inside Stromgarde Keep. don't go too deep inside though, teaming with hostile mobs ;) |
| 03:49.49 | Legorol | yes |
| 03:50.15 | Cera | omg ghosts came out of nowhere and killed me |
| 03:50.29 | Legorol | no they didn't, because you listened to "don't go too deep inside though, teaming with hostile mobs " |
| 03:50.39 | Legorol | besides you can't possibly run that fast ;-) |
| 03:50.58 | Cera | (5 mins) I'm at the entrance, where do I go? |
| 03:51.14 | Cera | ghosts are at the entrance ya know |
| 03:51.15 | Legorol | sorry but you are not intelligent nor familiar with basic game mechanics, so i'm not helping :P |
| 03:51.23 | Legorol | if you were, you wouldn't run into hostile mobs when carefully entering a new area |
| 03:51.54 | Legorol | as you enter the keep, you pass under a bridge, and take the first turn to the right |
| 03:52.01 | Cera | how do you avoid stealthed ghosts? |
| 03:52.08 | Legorol | (btw, if you have given someone the coords, they'd have never been able to find their way their imo without further directions) |
| 03:52.10 | MattBnr | lol |
| 03:52.30 | Hirsute-Home | My absolute *favorite* are the ones on Thott or WoWHead who, on the page for the thing they're looking for, ask for directions for those without coordinates, when there's a /freaking map showing the location right on the page/ |
| 03:52.31 | Legorol | i don't think the stealthed ghosts come if you only go as far as the junction to the friendly area, do they? |
| 03:52.43 | Hirsute-Home | Legorol: I found it from coords. |
| 03:52.56 | Cera | okay I see an ogre coming |
| 03:52.59 | Legorol | Hirsute-Home: you are an above average player with above average intelligence |
| 03:53.08 | Legorol | lol Cera |
| 03:53.09 | MattBnr | i use to rely on only coords. now i use carbonite which jsut uses a big arrow that says " go this way" |
| 03:53.19 | Cera | omfg this (formerly elite) ogre pawned me |
| 03:53.24 | Legorol | rofl |
| 03:53.32 | Hirsute-Home | Legorol: Nah, I just actually take the time to look around when I'm not sure which way to go. |
| 03:53.38 | Legorol | Cera: how the hell did you pull it |
| 03:53.48 | Cera | it was patrolling |
| 03:53.48 | Legorol | doesn't carbonite's arrow point in the direct direction of the object? |
| 03:53.57 | MattBnr | yep |
| 03:54.00 | Legorol | Cera: you fail at basic game mechanics. |
| 03:54.04 | Legorol | As I said, that's one of my assumptions |
| 03:54.11 | Legorol | so no more help :P |
| 03:54.18 | MattBnr | cant assume in wow have you not learned that yet? |
| 03:54.19 | Cera | there's a single ogre that pats up to the human safe area |
| 03:54.31 | Legorol | In the case of the vendor, you have to take quite a roundabout route, so would carbonite's arrow help? |
| 03:54.37 | MattBnr | plus if they ahve th basics down they should have a addon that helps them by now |
| 03:54.46 | Legorol | no >.< |
| 03:54.50 | Legorol | shall we just agree to disagree? |
| 03:54.53 | MattBnr | carb dont do vendors it only does quests |
| 03:54.58 | Legorol | using addons is *not* a basic element of the game |
| 03:55.09 | Cera | stormgaurde really was hell before they made everything non elite |
| 03:55.23 | Legorol | weren't only the ogres elite? |
| 03:55.30 | Legorol | the humans are nonelites right? |
| 03:55.40 | MattBnr | i figure if it is a part of the game built in by tthe designer of the game then yes it is a basic part |
| 03:55.53 | Legorol | so which addon did the designer build in? :P |
| 03:56.03 | Legorol | (apart from the ones they *did* leech and add) |
| 03:56.15 | Legorol | speaking of design: |
| 03:56.30 | Legorol | so many addons don't follow the design concept of the basic UI, it can be frustrating |
| 03:56.39 | Legorol | for some people though, that's the whole point |
| 03:56.43 | Legorol | anyway, let's agree to disagree |
| 03:59.19 | Cera | the ghosts weren't elite but they were a big pain because some are stealthed and iirc they would call for help or something that caused them to chain often |
| 04:00.06 | Cera | but all my deaths are rather reasonable for someone who knows the game but not the area |
| 04:01.43 | MattBnr | if it a part of the game built in by the deisgner then i think its a basic part it means they expected people to use it |
| 04:02.16 | MattBnr | but im going to bed |
| 04:04.38 | Cera | if you just give coords then they can just go looking without them telling all their mistakes and confusion about the new area |
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| 04:40.04 | ledz | Hey |
| 04:40.07 | ledz | i have a question |
| 04:40.26 | ledz | about auctioneer |
| 04:40.44 | ledz | whatever happened to BTMscan tab was it replaced with "scan"? |
| 04:43.21 | Legorol | BTMscan is replaced by the SearchUI |
| 04:43.50 | ledz | I dont understand how to work it |
| 04:43.50 | Legorol | yu can access it from the slidebar or with the magnifying glass at the top of the auction window, i think |
| 04:44.14 | Legorol | yes it's quite a complex tool |
| 04:44.41 | Legorol | BTMscan's features were integrated in as "real time search" in the searchUI |
| 04:46.07 | ledz | should i use arbritage |
| 04:47.13 | Legorol | I apologise but I don't have the time right now to explain in detail how to use the searchUI |
| 04:47.22 | Legorol | Maybe you should try reading through the documentation for it. |
| 04:48.23 | Legorol | ledz: http://wiki.norganna.org/AucAdvanced/SearchUIBasics |
| 04:49.22 | ledz | ty |
| 04:50.20 | Legorol | there is a section on how to replicate BTMscanner functionality |
| 04:50.29 | Legorol | you probably want to enable the Resale and Vendor searchers |
| 04:50.59 | ledz | where is that |
| 04:51.45 | Legorol | check out the page that i linked, it explains how to get to the configuration window of SearchUI |
| 04:52.15 | Legorol | open up the Options entry on the left, and select the realtime option |
| 04:52.27 | Legorol | on the right, enable the Resale and Vendor entries in the list |
| 04:52.36 | Legorol | under "searchers to use" |
| 04:52.45 | Legorol | check out the screenshots on the page i linked, they show it |
| 04:52.51 | ledz | ok cool |
| 04:52.52 | ledz | also |
| 04:52.57 | ledz | just used disenchanter |
| 04:53.02 | ledz | and i put 10g to try it out |
| 04:53.03 | Legorol | to configure the behaviour of the Resale and Vendor searchers, select them on the left |
| 04:53.06 | ledz | and clicked scan |
| 04:53.13 | ledz | it didnt find anything |
| 04:53.26 | Legorol | clicking "scan" doesn't look at the auction house |
| 04:53.34 | ledz | what does it do |
| 04:53.37 | Legorol | i mean not at the live auction house |
| 04:53.43 | Legorol | it looks in your stored scan of the auction house |
| 04:53.46 | ledz | i mean Search |
| 04:53.51 | Legorol | yeah |
| 04:54.03 | ledz | just did 5g |
| 04:54.08 | ledz | didnt find anything o_O |
| 04:54.13 | Legorol | you need to do a full scan of the auction house first (probably a few times at least on a few different days) to store data |
| 04:54.21 | ledz | i do that |
| 04:54.25 | ledz | with Scans right? |
| 04:54.27 | Legorol | as i said, you need to do a normal auctioneer scan of the auction house first |
| 04:54.35 | Legorol | yes |
| 04:54.44 | Legorol | also, what do you mean by "i put 10g" |
| 04:54.52 | Legorol | where did you enter the 10g? |
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| 04:55.05 | ledz | min profit |
| 04:55.10 | ledz | for disenchanter |
| 04:55.18 | ledz | i already scanned the ah |
| 04:55.35 | Legorol | 10g, or even 5g min profit sounds a lot |
| 04:55.44 | ledz | i did 1 |
| 04:55.48 | ledz | and it didnt work |
| 04:56.01 | Legorol | the other problem could be with min discount |
| 04:56.12 | ledz | what should it be at |
| 04:56.16 | ledz | its at 50% now |
| 04:56.21 | Legorol | yah, that's a very strict one |
| 04:56.45 | Legorol | Well it should be at what you are comfortable with. What it sets is the minimum amount of percentage profit, if I remember right. |
| 04:57.04 | Legorol | the minimum absolute profit and minimum percentage profit combine together and the stricter one is used |
| 04:57.16 | Legorol | so try setting a minimum profit of say 10 silver, and a minimum discount of 95% |
| 04:57.19 | Legorol | see if that finds anything |
| 04:57.25 | ledz | alright |
| 04:57.25 | ledz | also |
| 04:57.31 | ledz | under searchers to use |
| 04:57.33 | Legorol | the higher the min discount, the less strict it is |
| 04:57.38 | ledz | should i tick everything |
| 04:57.52 | Legorol | no, you should tick the ones you do actually want searchUI to consider for you :) |
| 04:58.02 | Legorol | no point ticking prospecting if you don't have a JC that can prospect for you |
| 04:58.50 | Legorol | the more searchers you turn on the more complicated things get |
| 04:59.00 | ledz | oo |
| 04:59.15 | Legorol | although the searchUI does display what searcher "matched" each item it finds, i personally find it hard to keep track of it :) |
| 04:59.31 | Legorol | let's say i find 20 items, some for disenchanting, some for prospecting, some for vendoring and some for reselling |
| 04:59.39 | Legorol | gets confusing to manage which one i'm supposed to do what with |
| 04:59.40 | ledz | yea |
| 04:59.45 | ledz | oo ok |
| 04:59.48 | ledz | i tried what u said |
| 04:59.51 | ledz | for 10 silver |
| 04:59.53 | ledz | and it didnt work |
| 05:00.02 | Legorol | did you put the discount up to 95% |
| 05:00.07 | ledz | yea |
| 05:00.35 | Legorol | hm, could be it works the other way around :) try to put it down to 0% |
| 05:00.56 | Legorol | i don't use the disenchanter normally |
| 05:00.58 | ledz | 1% is smallest |
| 05:01.04 | Legorol | well then try that |
| 05:01.04 | ledz | what do u use |
| 05:01.09 | Legorol | i just use resale and vendor |
| 05:01.12 | ledz | need to make 2k gold FAST .. |
| 05:01.28 | Legorol | auctioneer is not a magic goldprinting machine :) |
| 05:01.31 | ledz | i no |
| 05:01.39 | ledz | i didnt get anything |
| 05:01.42 | Legorol | you can test things with the Vendor searcher |
| 05:01.49 | Legorol | well, it's also thursday |
| 05:01.52 | Legorol | that's a slow AH day |
| 05:01.59 | Legorol | maybe there isn't anything |
| 05:02.10 | Legorol | try the Vendor searcher, that usually finds one or two things |
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| 05:02.23 | ledz | what should i set |
| 05:02.25 | Legorol | for pitiful profit, like 5s, but hey it's worht a test |
| 05:02.31 | Legorol | just leave the default settings on that one |
| 05:02.54 | ledz | ok yea |
| 05:02.58 | ledz | its picking up shitloads |
| 05:03.07 | ledz | with 0% |
| 05:03.12 | Legorol | it's probably picking up things for Bidding |
| 05:03.28 | Legorol | usually people don't set the Bid price properly, so there are loads of items where if you bid and win, you can vendor them for a profit |
| 05:03.48 | ledz | oo |
| 05:04.02 | ledz | remember how i ticked |
| 05:04.02 | Legorol | but it's usually not worth the time and effort as you a) don't tend to win the bids b) even if you do, the profit is like 5s |
| 05:04.10 | ledz | resale and vendor |
| 05:04.14 | Legorol | right |
| 05:04.22 | ledz | would i need to tick disenchanter |
| 05:04.23 | Legorol | but did you tick them on realtime search? |
| 05:04.30 | ledz | for the search to work |
| 05:04.31 | ledz | yea |
| 05:04.33 | Legorol | nope |
| 05:04.47 | Legorol | the search in the scanned data is not related to the realtime search options |
| 05:05.27 | Legorol | the stuff you ticked is for when you do a realtime search, which you do by opening up the auction house and left-clicking the magnifying glass |
| 05:05.32 | Nechckn_AFK | for more about setting up realtimesearch with searchUI see the following link.. if I can remember it. |
| 05:05.39 | Nechckn_AFK | ~l2searchUI |
| 05:05.45 | Legorol | lol Nechckn_AFK |
| 05:05.52 | Legorol | gief link to me too :) |
| 05:05.56 | Nechckn_AFK | no, it's really something like that |
| 05:05.59 | Legorol | i'd been making some money with Vendor, it works nice |
| 05:06.06 | Legorol | ~l2searchui |
| 05:06.19 | ledz | wheres the magnifying glass |
| 05:06.22 | Legorol | there *are* idiots out there who put items up for less than vendor value |
| 05:06.32 | Legorol | ledz: did you check out the link i pasted? |
| 05:06.34 | Legorol | it has screenshots |
| 05:06.41 | Legorol | one of them has a big red arrow pointing at the magnifying glass |
| 05:06.43 | ledz | yea |
| 05:06.44 | ledz | i found it |
| 05:06.50 | Legorol | i mean white arrow |
| 05:07.25 | ledz | ok |
| 05:07.30 | ledz | so i just got a bunch of items |
| 05:07.33 | ledz | under vendor |
| 05:07.34 | Legorol | hm, speaking of which... i might as well camp the AH and do realtime vendor whilst we chat :) |
| 05:07.47 | Legorol | ledz: check out the Reason column, it probably says Vendor:Bid |
| 05:07.57 | Nechckn_AFK | http://wiki.norganna.org/AucAdvanced/SearchUIBasics is the link Purl should be returning |
| 05:08.07 | Legorol | that's the one i linked |
| 05:08.12 | Nechckn_AFK | it's pretty much step-by-step for how to set it up |
| 05:08.16 | Nechckn_AFK | kk.. didn't see it |
| 05:08.25 | ledz | ok i see vendor bid |
| 05:08.28 | ledz | so i bid? |
| 05:08.39 | Legorol | Nechckn_AFK: one thing it doesn't make clear is the relationship between minimum profit and minimum discount options |
| 05:08.45 | Legorol | ledz: you can try |
| 05:08.58 | Legorol | if you bid in the searchui, you don't actually bid yet, just queue up that action |
| 05:09.06 | Legorol | you have to visit an auction house to actually place the bid(s) |
| 05:09.25 | Nechckn_AFK | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.38 | Nechckn_AFK | they are cumulative, if you have them set, btw |
| 05:09.39 | Legorol | what does "discounting" mean? |
| 05:09.55 | Legorol | also what's GSC |
| 05:10.08 | Nechckn_AFK | if you set it at 20, then the item has to be 20 percent less than the going rate AKA discount |
| 05:10.15 | Nechckn_AFK | GSC gold, copper, silver |
| 05:10.22 | Legorol | right |
| 05:10.32 | Legorol | ok, so they work the way i thought, except i had the minimum discount reversed |
| 05:10.47 | Legorol | i thought 80% would mean the item has to be discounted to 80% of its going rate |
| 05:10.53 | Legorol | maybe the tooltip could be better on that |
| 05:11.04 | Legorol | "discount" is a bit ambiguous term imo |
| 05:11.28 | Nechckn_AFK | well, what would you suggest, that would reasonably fit in the tooltip? |
| 05:11.32 | Legorol | finally: when you say cumulative, you mean union, right? |
| 05:11.49 | Legorol | i.e. an item has to pass them both |
| 05:11.56 | Nechckn_AFK | logical "and" instead of "or" |
| 05:11.59 | Nechckn_AFK | yes, both |
| 05:12.00 | Legorol | right |
| 05:12.12 | Legorol | ok let me think of the wording |
| 05:12.46 | Legorol | actually, min discount doesn't have a tooltip at all |
| 05:13.57 | Legorol | minimum profit: "The absolute minimum you want to profit from each item" |
| 05:14.49 | Legorol | minimum discount: "Items found by the searcher must be at least this much percentage below their market value" |
| 05:15.41 | Legorol | in addition, add a line (not in the tooltip) below minimum discount: "Note: an item has to satisfy both min profit and min discount" |
| 05:16.53 | Nechckn_AFK | If you can add a ticket to the ASER project in http://Jira.Norganna.Org with that, and specify the Searcher, will try to look at it this weekend. |
| 05:17.18 | Nechckn_AFK | don't have WoW on any of the systems in this office, nor any of the code |
| 05:24.30 | Legorol | Nechckn_AFK: i don't have an account on Jira |
| 05:24.52 | Legorol | so consider me having contacted an admin :o) |
| 05:25.11 | Nechckn_AFK | same as the forum login info |
| 05:25.41 | Nechckn_AFK | http://forums.norganna.org , link in upper right, takes about 20 seconds, if you don't have one already |
| 05:26.19 | Legorol | ok |
| 05:32.01 | Legorol | Nechckn_AFK: ticket submitted |
| 05:32.16 | ^nbot | Documentation 03ASER-206 10Legorol: Suggestion for tooltip text06* (04Unconfirmed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ASER-206 10 |
| 05:32.57 | Legorol | oh cool, there it is ^^ |
| 05:34.53 | Legorol | Vendor searcher with Buyout only is quick, easy money :D |
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| 17:04.31 | Mrmoney | i just want to ask, is bottomskanner still available? |
| 17:06.43 | Mrmoney | ok, too many answers so quickly must go.. |
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| 17:18.52 | MattBnr | no its not read the site |
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