| 00:00.26 | Nechckn | If you want the Informant information, you would have to download that, too |
| 00:00.30 | Bob_0086 | i can delete :"Auc-Advanced" folder? |
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| 00:01.08 | Nechckn | No, that is the main scan engine |
| 00:01.40 | Bob_0086 | No!!!!! i hate it i want classic!!! (crying) |
| 00:02.02 | Nechckn | You hate what? the post tab? |
| 00:02.21 | Nechckn | It's nearly identical |
| 00:02.29 | Nechckn | the same functions are there |
| 00:02.32 | Bob_0086 | brb seeing the new difference inside game at AH |
| 00:02.35 | Nechckn | ok |
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| 00:03.46 | azinian | How can I make auctioneer display the vendor price of items again? Ever since the patch this morning it has stopped |
| 00:04.09 | Nechckn | The servers are behaving very oddly right now |
| 00:04.44 | azinian | So...basically ignore it for now? |
| 00:05.04 | Nechckn | Do you play on more than 1 server? |
| 00:05.06 | bleeter | very oddly is a bit of an understatement, it'd seem :/ |
| 00:05.07 | azinian | no |
| 00:05.24 | Bob_0086 | azinian i had to reinstall auctioneer as it no longer auto posted the high and low price for me... they made it manual.....grrrr |
| 00:05.29 | Nechckn | Yeah.. I'd ignore it as much as you can for now, azinian |
| 00:05.44 | azinian | I'm referring to selling it to an NPC, not at the AH |
| 00:05.50 | Bob_0086 | oh |
| 00:05.55 | bleeter | ..... |
| 00:06.00 | azinian | before today, it would show the NPC price, then the AH stats |
| 00:06.08 | azinian | now all of a sudden I am missing the NPC price |
| 00:06.27 | Nechckn | azinian yeah, nothing should be affecting that- nothing we changed or Blizz changed- as far as we know. |
| 00:06.43 | bleeter | azinian: do you have 'informant' loaded? |
| 00:06.44 | azinian | is there an option buried somewhere inside I can look for? |
| 00:06.47 | Nechckn | Some servers are barely working, so I'd just bank the goods for now |
| 00:06.50 | azinian | I think so lemmie check |
| 00:07.03 | Nechckn | Bob_0086 did you get in and see the post frame? |
| 00:07.38 | Nechckn | you still will get the pricing and all, once you have enough scan data for Auctioneer to provide a "reasonable" recommendation. |
| 00:07.44 | azinian | ROFL. Somehow it got disabled. Seems to be fine now XD |
| 00:07.44 | Bob_0086 | nah auctioneer this version i just installed does not even scan the auction house weird |
| 00:07.52 | Nechckn | azinian Ah, cool |
| 00:08.10 | Nechckn | Bob_0086 what do you mean it won't scan? do you see any errors? |
| 00:08.11 | azinian | my bad. Glad to see everyone here being so helpful though :) |
| 00:08.24 | Nechckn | azinian just happy it was something simple |
| 00:08.31 | Bob_0086 | no errors..... brb let me make a print screen |
| 00:08.33 | Nechckn | had me worried for a moment there! ;-) |
| 00:09.27 | Nechckn | bleeter weren't you getting the thing where it wouldn't scan, then you reloaded and it was fine/ |
| 00:09.29 | Nechckn | ? |
| 00:09.45 | bleeter | Nechckn: yup |
| 00:10.11 | bleeter | Bob_0086: as we've previously stated here, there's some weirdness going on at the AH at the moment |
| 00:10.25 | Nechckn | Bob_0086 Go ahead and logout |
| 00:10.50 | Nechckn | then check your Addons in the main WoW AddOns manager, from the button in the lower left of the Character Selection Screen |
| 00:11.01 | Nechckn | ensure that they all have gold check marks |
| 00:11.08 | Nechckn | then go ahead back in-game |
| 00:11.13 | bleeter | Bob_0086: relogging has fixed some issues for some addons. might take two or three relogs, too. this isn't just happening with Auctioneer, it'd seem :/ |
| 00:11.15 | Nechckn | and see what you get there |
| 00:11.18 | Bob_0086 | AHHHHH AH weirdnesss i can believe that |
| 00:11.28 | Bob_0086 | well anyway here is my print screen |
| 00:11.30 | Bob_0086 | http://www.aznphotos.com/view.html?f=brokenfcs1.jpg |
| 00:12.17 | Nechckn | Yeah.. you're missing alot in that SS |
| 00:12.32 | Nechckn | You don't even have the Post frame |
| 00:12.48 | Nechckn | Beancounter is there, which is all well and good |
| 00:13.37 | Bob_0086 | no scan button on the bottom eeek! |
| 00:14.10 | Bob_0086 | well as you can tell IF is under attack so brb |
| 00:16.15 | Bob_0086 | i think to keep auctioneer in NOOB easy mode enabling classic should be at the log in screen area |
| 00:16.49 | Bob_0086 | example: http://wiki.norganna.org/Image:WoWAddOnList.jpg |
| 00:17.20 | Nechckn | The thing is that it is now modular, so you automatically have move to enable |
| 00:17.33 | Nechckn | s/move/more/ |
| 00:17.44 | bleeter | heh, script memory setting |
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| 00:18.07 | Nechckn | This also keeps you from loosing data - like classic would do after you scanned for a while and it would reset to nothing |
| 00:18.21 | Nechckn | the new one, being modular, does alot to avoid that. |
| 00:18.47 | Bob_0086 | or to keep conflicts from new auctioneer vs classic branch off and have 2 teams. |
| 00:19.17 | Nechckn | We barely have enough people to maintain 1 version of Auctioneer, Enchantrix, and Gatherer |
| 00:19.30 | Bob_0086 | really? |
| 00:19.39 | Bob_0086 | i thought wow addiction you would have like 20 people |
| 00:19.48 | Nechckn | if you, or anyone else, wants to join the team and take over coding of any portion, we will be more than happy to have the help |
| 00:20.00 | bleeter | Bob_0086: we don't get paid to do it. |
| 00:20.12 | bleeter | it's not like there's 10 full time staff, it's all voluntary. |
| 00:20.20 | Bob_0086 | how long does it take to learn lua programming? easier than B.A.S.I.C? |
| 00:20.47 | Nechckn | There are alot of people, of varying ability and, as bleeter says, things like life often win out when it's compared to sitting and programming a WoW Addon. As it should. |
| 00:21.19 | Nechckn | It's closer to Java than basic |
| 00:21.43 | Bob_0086 | well im still single and not dating at the moment and just dating chinese girl on the weekday.... |
| 00:21.55 | Nechckn | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 00:21.59 | Bob_0086 | i should say not serious dating i could almost do this full time |
| 00:22.05 | Bob_0086 | cool a url! |
| 00:22.48 | Nechckn | http://forums.norganna.org/discussion/8731/wow-addons-how-to/ too |
| 00:23.27 | Nechckn | woops... what I should say is there is the main manual, and then some other tools and recommendations are in the discussion at http://forums.norganna.org/discussion/8731/wow-addons-how-to/ |
| 00:23.42 | Nechckn | There; better. =) |
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| 00:27.26 | sett | would be fun if auctioneer could show charts on price changes |
| 00:27.37 | Nechckn | Soon(tm) sett |
| 00:27.45 | sett | ;) |
| 00:28.10 | Nechckn | That is in the works.. it's not the easiest thing, but a few people are investigating some basic graphing |
| 00:28.52 | Nechckn | Hopefully it will take off, that is one thing that we always get asked about, but, until a couple months back, there was no easy way to do it. |
| 00:29.05 | SNiLD | hm? |
| 00:29.14 | SNiLD | addons like count have had graphs for ages |
| 00:29.55 | bleeter | recount's graphs are fairly simple compared to what, say, an accountant would like to be able to do |
| 00:30.31 | bleeter | that the old 'classic' would've been a complete nightmare to implement graphs with, is also a valid point |
| 00:30.32 | Nechckn | The hard part was finding something that could work in-game. I believe it's graph-lib that is the one |
| 00:30.41 | Nechckn | OMG... indeed |
| 00:30.45 | bleeter | so, moving to Advanced, then moving to implement graphs, is also more sane |
| 00:31.03 | Nechckn | just slightly |
| 00:31.29 | Nechckn | Oh... SNiLD btw, do you use the Post frame at all? |
| 00:31.42 | sett | dont u guys want to earn some money on addon? u could borrow wowecon idea to have a server with real time data actually |
| 00:31.48 | sett | since so many ppl use the addon |
| 00:32.09 | SNiLD | Nechckn: nope, why+ |
| 00:32.14 | Nechckn | More to the point, would you be willing to make a quick wiki page for the Post frame? |
| 00:32.21 | Nechckn | =) Please.... |
| 00:32.29 | SNiLD | :-D |
| 00:32.41 | SNiLD | I'd have to figure out how it works hm |
| 00:32.53 | SNiLD | I'll see what I can do some day this week |
| 00:32.55 | Nechckn | It's very basic |
| 00:33.03 | Nechckn | If you could, that would be really cool. |
| 00:34.35 | Nechckn | sett that is something that comes up every so often, too. But, at least for now, we are in the business of providing some helpful AddOns, not being "in business". |
| 00:35.26 | Nechckn | I mean, it's crazy when you look at some of these "paid" addons- they don't provide support or reply to their users, yet people still use them. |
| 00:36.09 | sett | i know only 2 paid addons carbonit and wowecon |
| 00:36.12 | Nechckn | And, for the most part, you can obtain the same functionality with free stuff |
| 00:36.43 | Nechckn | Well, there are those, then there are a couple other "guide" type ones- sort of like Carbonite, afaik. |
| 00:37.15 | Nechckn | and, the lovely wowmatrix.... which, though not an addon, surely makes all of it's $$ off of them |
| 00:37.38 | sett | most gold guides are auctioneer how-to's |
| 00:37.58 | sett | and they also say do dailies, farm primals lol |
| 00:38.09 | bleeter | there's also the alleged ToS/EULA breaking Magelo |
| 00:38.53 | bleeter | I think i breaks the rules, haven't seen any 'official' word from Blizz apart from an EU CM saying something like '3rd party stuff that has to run along side the game is prolly bad mojo' |
| 00:38.57 | norgs | sett: That's the business aspect around free stuff everywhere. People are always looking for ways to make money by giving away free stuff and charging for it, or advertising with it. |
| 00:38.59 | bleeter | to paraphrase them |
| 00:39.23 | norgs | wowmatrix make their money by "selling" other people's free addons |
| 00:40.10 | norgs | auction money making guides make their money by "selling" auctioneer |
| 00:40.13 | Nechckn | It's rough.... and I know that some folks have considered it, but the waters get awful murky as soon as you begin charging for stuff. |
| 00:40.39 | norgs | we take the high ground and don't sell our stuff |
| 00:40.57 | norgs | if we did, we could surely make money, but then who would develop? |
| 00:41.59 | norgs | if i had millions of dollars, i'd be sailing around the world on a yacht someweher instead of developing code |
| 00:42.25 | SNiLD | :D |
| 00:42.27 | norgs | what about you Nikk? |
| 00:42.28 | Nechckn | Then we'd have to actually be nice to people, too. |
| 00:42.31 | SNiLD | lets make sure norgs don't get any money! |
| 00:43.01 | bleeter | I'd be buying timtams first, then sailing around the world |
| 00:43.10 | bleeter | but I guess norgs just has weird priorities |
| 00:43.13 | SNiLD | but selling the "documentation" is very common amongst other free software business |
| 00:43.14 | Nechckn | I make enough selling my body on the street corner, thank yo. |
| 00:43.18 | SNiLD | that's something that you could try |
| 00:43.25 | norgs | yep, the concentration would move frome "what's best for the product" to "what do the maximum number of people want?" |
| 00:43.28 | SNiLD | selling a guide "how to efficiently use auctioneer" |
| 00:43.58 | SNiLD | i bet the maker of the product could sell better than some murky "www.getrichquickinwow.com" |
| 00:44.14 | bleeter | if people feel guilty about not subscribing to us and giving us $$ that way, they can always just donate large wads of cash instead |
| 00:44.26 | norgs | bleeter: honestly, i'd probably buy the boat, dock it somewhere and never use it... |
| 00:44.56 | bleeter | norgs: heh, I was thinking I'd probably be down at the home-made 737 flight sim quicker than... a fast thing |
| 00:45.00 | norgs | it's probably good i'm not righ.... i'd just waste it |
| 00:45.21 | norgs | *rich |
| 00:45.32 | bleeter | norgs: http://simsation.com.au/ |
| 00:45.47 | SNiLD | have you wasted your money in wow too? :) |
| 00:46.09 | sett | i've read about 20 gold making guide which u have to pay for to obtain (dont ask where i got them xD) and all of them are just common sense and copy-past of each other |
| 00:46.32 | sett | man like writing stupid word over and over on 100 pages like buy low sell high |
| 00:46.41 | sett | and so on |
| 00:47.01 | SNiLD | but that's how most poker guides are too |
| 00:47.15 | SNiLD | and people still buy them and use the tips :) |
| 00:47.21 | SNiLD | people need easy guides |
| 00:47.54 | bleeter | My poker guide. Rule #1: The house always wins. Rule #2: See rule #1. |
| 00:49.47 | norgs | if we sold them, they would have to be actually good |
| 00:50.08 | norgs | and then other people would rip them off and resell them on ebay |
| 00:50.44 | SNiLD | yeah that's what happens |
| 00:50.54 | SNiLD | now they rip-off each others guides and sell them :) |
| 00:51.02 | SNiLD | you get nothing instead of something |
| 00:51.25 | SNiLD | well except donations |
| 00:51.32 | SNiLD | you do get them, don't you? ;P |
| 00:51.50 | norgs | yeah, we get them and then spend them again |
| 00:52.02 | norgs | if we had more donations, we'd get another server |
| 00:52.06 | SNiLD | all goes to bandwidth? ;p |
| 00:52.35 | norgs | yeah, we spend it all on the 3 servers we have at the moment |
| 00:53.38 | norgs | you can tell we have pretty good servers, right? |
| 00:53.40 | sett | i'm trying to avoid white items in resale search and whatever i do in search filter does not help. is it correct to put a tick in itemquality on uncommon? |
| 00:53.49 | SNiLD | norgs: i've noticed |
| 00:54.05 | norgs | http://norganna.org/speedtest/ |
| 00:54.26 | SNiLD | sett: the stuff that you tick are ignored if you use the ignore quality filter |
| 00:54.35 | SNiLD | so if you tick white stuff, no more white stuff :) |
| 00:55.02 | sett | haah smart |
| 00:55.14 | sett | that's how programmers think xD |
| 00:55.28 | SNiLD | true |
| 00:55.33 | norgs | /me cries |
| 00:55.35 | SNiLD | it kinda is "reversed" |
| 00:55.39 | norgs | cries |
| 00:55.53 | SNiLD | you'd think that you have everything and then untick the stuff you don't need :p |
| 00:56.01 | SNiLD | but it is ignore filter after all... |
| 00:56.13 | SNiLD | 1290kbps download |
| 00:56.16 | SNiLD | is that server in the us? |
| 00:56.24 | norgs | yup |
| 00:56.25 | norgs | yup |
| 00:56.26 | SNiLD | :o |
| 00:56.31 | SNiLD | pretty nice up then |
| 00:56.46 | SNiLD | but the stability has been even greater |
| 00:57.12 | SNiLD | at the time when wowace went down, curse was down, worldofwar.net was down... auctioneeraddon.com was up :) |
| 00:57.19 | norgs | so we pay about $700/mo on the servers we have |
| 00:57.27 | SNiLD | for the 3? |
| 00:57.33 | norgs | yeah |
| 00:57.47 | norgs | + 5.5Tb/mo transfer |
| 00:58.02 | bleeter | and boy do we need the 5.5 on major patch days |
| 00:58.05 | SNiLD | is that the average load on the server / month? |
| 00:58.42 | norgs | no, 5.5 terabytes of bandwidth |
| 00:59.06 | SNiLD | :S |
| 00:59.24 | SNiLD | what's the transfer load on the server / month? |
| 01:00.05 | bleeter | unless one measures in relation to major patch frequncy from blizz, averages are moderately meaningless |
| 01:00.09 | SNiLD | is that $700 unlimited upload? :o |
| 01:00.14 | bleeter | dunno if anyone's actually calculated it though |
| 01:00.47 | norgs | no, we get charged for what we send |
| 01:01.25 | SNiLD | ah |
| 01:01.30 | SNiLD | then it sounds about right :P |
| 01:15.49 | SNiLD | off to sleep now though |
| 01:16.01 | SNiLD | and don't you dare to wake me up by fixing the issues i have reported... ;) |
| 01:17.58 | Nechckn | lol... no worries on that one |
| 01:18.05 | Nechckn | we have those in the "special bin" |
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| 06:27.51 | vithos | mousing over items uses a lot of cpu time even if you have the auctioneer tooltips set to only show with a modifier :( |
| 06:29.38 | Hirsute | vithos: every time, or just the first time? |
| 06:30.09 | vithos | every time |
| 06:30.17 | ccox | every time - I've noticed it as well |
| 06:30.22 | ccox | just haven't had time to look into it |
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| 06:31.27 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. It only seems to do it for me the first time. |
| 06:31.44 | ccox | it probalby depends on the AH data gathered |
| 06:31.55 | Hirsute | Not sure what's going on there. I just always figured it was the loading of the AH data. |
| 06:31.59 | ccox | I suspect it'll be worst on a high-pop server with lots of AH history |
| 06:32.09 | ccox | Hirsute: you get a huge hit loading the first time |
| 06:32.17 | ccox | Hirsute: but it grinds on every mouseover |
| 06:33.53 | Hirsute | ccox: Fair enough, I've never noticed it after that first time, and I'm on a high-pop server (350-400 pages on the AH constantly, old server) |
| 06:34.08 | Hirsute | But that doesn't mean it isn't occuring, just that I haven't noticed it. |
| 06:34.29 | ccox | Hirsute: try disabling auc and mousing over all the items in your bag versus when enabled |
| 06:35.32 | Hirsute | ccox: Yeah, I've done that, again, I haven't noticed much of a difference after that first hit. It isn't the only addon I have that works with the ToolTip, though, so it's possible that the others maintain enough lag to make the difference from Auc not incredibly noticeable. |
| 06:35.50 | ccox | possible |
| 06:36.50 | vithos | with profiling on it basically locks up my screen permanently until i stop dragging my mouse around my bags, but it bothers me without profiling too |
| 06:37.17 | RockSlice | it's probably a problem somewhere in EnhTooltip, but considering we're about to move to LibTooltip, it's not a high concern, IMO |
| 06:37.32 | Hirsute | RockSlice: How close *are* we to moving to LibTT? |
| 06:37.50 | RockSlice | norgs keeps talking about it as if it's going to happen any week now |
| 06:38.03 | RockSlice | but he's been talking like that for months... |
| 06:38.24 | Hirsute | Heh. |
| 06:39.08 | vithos | well i have no idea what it's doing, but shouldn't it be pretty easy to make it check if alt is held down *first* and then do *nothing* if so? |
| 06:39.32 | RockSlice | yes |
| 06:40.02 | Hirsute | I'd love to have an option to reverse that as well. Have it show the normal tooltip only if I'm holding alt. |
| 06:40.08 | Hirsute | But I haven't made a JIRA for that yet. |
| 06:40.11 | Hirsute | Because I'm alzy. |
| 06:40.17 | Hirsute | s/alzy/lazy/ |
| 06:44.59 | norgs | I have it ready to go |
| 06:45.05 | norgs | (the move to LibTT) |
| 06:45.43 | norgs | All someone needs to do is give me the nod and I'll throw it in |
| 06:47.33 | norgs | trouble is as soon as i do it, that will probably be the end of the 5.1 line |
| 06:48.03 | norgs | no more 5.1 releases afterwards... it'd be a nightmare to merge back with so many changes |
| 06:48.35 | RockSlice | we've started the localization work, so we should probably either kill it now, or make another 5.1 build and then kill it |
| 06:49.14 | RockSlice | after waiting a day or so |
| 06:49.46 | RockSlice | but I don't make the decisions :) |
| 06:50.11 | RockSlice | is thankful for that |
| 07:02.15 | norgs | ok, Sensei MentalPower has just authorized the LibTT changes to go into trunk |
| 07:02.36 | norgs | Get ready ye all who follow trunk.... you're ride's about to get bumpy |
| 07:03.07 | MentalPower | braces |
| 07:21.46 | norgs | It's going... |
| 07:22.05 | norgs | I'm resolving conflicts right ATM |
| 07:22.20 | Nechckn | eww... |
| 07:22.34 | Nechckn | no conflicts, you! |
| 07:23.22 | norgs | oh... there'll be conflicts alright |
| 07:24.29 | MentalPower | it'll be conflicts galore |
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| 07:39.54 | Lothaer | evening |
| 07:56.07 | norgs | Oh man... all these new _TRANS lines are wreaking havoc with the merge |
| 07:56.21 | norgs | if only I had merged a few days ago! :( |
| 08:04.10 | Nechckn | maybe just merge with the changes up to that point? |
| 08:04.20 | Nechckn | or did you do an active merge? |
| 08:04.28 | Nechckn | instead of the "test" type |
| 08:04.54 | norgs | i'm like 75% into the actual merge |
| 08:05.06 | norgs | so nothing to do but push through! |
| 08:05.45 | norgs | i'd only have to deal with the conflicts on update anyhow, so whatever |
| 08:05.51 | Nechckn | ah.. okey dokey then |
| 08:06.48 | norgs | trouble is all the lines like: |
| 08:06.49 | norgs | EnhTooltip.AddLine(_TRANS('StdDev prices').." ("..count.._TRANS(' points').."):") |
| 08:06.52 | norgs | EnhTooltip.LineColor(0.3, 0.9, 0.8) |
| 08:07.07 | norgs | have to be manually merged |
| 08:07.16 | norgs | but i'm just being a big sook |
| 08:07.49 | norgs | it's not that bad... just wistful thinking that it would have been easier a few days ago |
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| 09:57.57 | CIA-54 | norganna-libs: 03Norganna * r138 10LibTooltip/ (8 files in 2 dirs): LTT-2: Merge in LibTT branch into trunk. |
| 09:59.14 | ^nbot | Pollution 03libs r138 10Norganna: LibTooltip/LibTooltip.lua has new global vars: MoneyViewClass at line 605 and LastMoney at line 779 |
| 10:01.47 | CIA-54 | norganna-libs: 03Norganna * r139 10LibTooltip/LibTooltip.lua: LTT-2: Remove/hide pollutants. |
| 11:04.55 | asser | it's too bad really that you can't short-sell stuff on AH ;) |
| 12:20.18 | Grum | EnhTooltip.AddLine(_TRANS('StdDev prices').." ("..count.._TRANS(' points').."):") <-- why not use a: EnhTooltip.addLine( format( L["StdDev prices (%d points):"], count )) ? |
| 12:22.02 | norgs | Grum: I'll agree with you on that... sorta |
| 12:22.35 | Grum | there is not much room for 'sorta' from my pov :) |
| 12:22.49 | Grum | this allows you to have a different structure of sentence as well |
| 12:23.02 | norgs | _TRANS('%s prices (%d points)'):format(libName, count) |
| 12:23.04 | SNiLD | sure you can include %d etc in the localization string but remember that if the person localizing them fails to put the correct amount of % in there with right values, you'll get trouble |
| 12:23.40 | SNiLD | i don't know how much trouble this generates in lua but in other languages it's big :) |
| 12:23.48 | Grum | SNiLD: so what? |
| 12:23.55 | Grum | you check localizations before you release them |
| 12:24.16 | SNiLD | oh sure if you got some automation for that.... |
| 12:24.24 | Grum | ? |
| 12:24.29 | Grum | who provides translations? |
| 12:24.40 | norgs | anyhow... that's what I meant by "sorta" |
| 12:24.40 | SNiLD | volunteers? |
| 12:24.50 | Grum | and who accepts translations? |
| 12:24.57 | norgs | we do? |
| 12:24.59 | SNiLD | the site? |
| 12:25.02 | Grum | so you check them? :) |
| 12:25.14 | SNiLD | you need automation |
| 12:25.19 | Grum | why? |
| 12:25.20 | norgs | who's got time? |
| 12:25.25 | Grum | then dont localize? |
| 12:25.28 | norgs | you volunteering? |
| 12:25.34 | SNiLD | no one is going to check 324875 lines of translated text by hand :P |
| 12:25.37 | Grum | i just volunteerd :P |
| 12:25.42 | Grum | there is no need to have so much tbh |
| 12:25.46 | Grum | you just created 2 lines |
| 12:25.54 | Grum | of which contexts matters |
| 12:26.05 | SNiLD | it's true |
| 12:26.06 | Grum | and with which its horrible to translate the different parts |
| 12:26.08 | norgs | who are you addressing now? |
| 12:26.19 | Grum | also you do 2 functioncalls, 2 concatenations |
| 12:26.33 | norgs | i'm losing track of this conversation fast... |
| 12:26.53 | Grum | _TRANS('StdDev prices').." ("..count.._TRANS(' points').."):" <-- |
| 12:27.08 | norgs | yes, i agree |
| 12:27.08 | Grum | with that structure you do 4 string concats; 2 function calls |
| 12:27.16 | norgs | completely |
| 12:27.26 | norgs | bear in mind that code was just committed |
| 12:27.30 | Grum | and you fracture the translation and require peopel to add spaces and such |
| 12:27.34 | Grum | *people |
| 12:27.38 | norgs | i was going to have a chat about it to the team |
| 12:27.51 | Grum | format( L["StdDev prices (%d points):"], count ) <-- 1 functioncall and 1 table lookup |
| 12:27.57 | norgs | i would prefer them to use something like: |
| 12:28.14 | norgs | _TRANS('%s prices (%d points)'):format(libName, count) |
| 12:28.17 | norgs | or |
| 12:28.27 | Grum | still 2 functioncalls |
| 12:28.30 | norgs | _TRANS('%s prices (%d points)'):format(_TRANS(libName), count) |
| 12:28.38 | Grum | 3 functioncalls |
| 12:29.11 | norgs | yes, but it's worth it |
| 12:29.14 | Grum | why? |
| 12:29.28 | norgs | a function is a lot more flexible than a table lookup |
| 12:29.35 | Grum | format( L["%s prices (%d points):"], L[libname], count ) |
| 12:29.47 | Grum | erm .. why do you need a functioncall for a simple table lookup> |
| 12:29.54 | Grum | what kind of magic would _TRANS do? :) |
| 12:29.59 | norgs | it can do things like fill in missing translations |
| 12:30.05 | Grum | tables can do that as well? |
| 12:30.46 | norgs | so can function calls |
| 12:31.06 | Grum | table lookups are way cheaper than function calls :) |
| 12:31.16 | Grum | local L = {}; setmetatable( L, {__index=function(t,k) return k end }) <-- that is enough to do what you want |
| 12:31.33 | norgs | but then it's a function call |
| 12:31.42 | Grum | only for indexes not found |
| 12:32.17 | Grum | I'd really advise to look at how AceLocale-3.0 handles it |
| 12:32.26 | Grum | or even just use it |
| 12:32.48 | norgs | ok buddy - you've just recruited yourself |
| 12:32.55 | norgs | grins |
| 12:32.59 | Grum | no :) |
| 12:33.20 | Grum | i'm just here to bitch and ocasionally advise ;) |
| 12:33.27 | SNiLD | using the existing Ace libraries wouldn't be too bad of an idea though... ;) |
| 12:33.36 | norgs | is that a no!!! shriek... *pretends to resist* |
| 12:33.51 | Grum | or at least learn from them |
| 12:34.00 | SNiLD | would save you some trouble in the long run... ;) |
| 12:34.02 | Grum | then again; AceLocale-3.0 is just standalone :) |
| 12:34.14 | norgs | or is that a I'm outta here, yoing. *exit stage left* |
| 12:34.28 | Grum | what it will do is let you benefit from experience and make your code easier accessible for new coders |
| 12:37.07 | norgs | points Grum towards #norganna-dev |
| 12:37.42 | Grum | refuses |
| 12:37.52 | Grum | my hair stands up if i look at the code :p |
| 12:38.28 | norgs | it's not scary... you can bug us about bad code in there without scaring away the people looking for support |
| 12:39.00 | Grum | nah not going to happen :p |
| 12:39.35 | norgs | beckons Grum to the DarkSide[tm] |
| 12:39.45 | Grum | if you have buckets of time spare |
| 12:41.20 | norgs | not really, no |
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| 14:06.11 | alibennemzi | hi everyone can you guys tell me plz which verison of gatherer is the best for wowo 2.4.3? |
| 14:09.17 | mattbnr | wow 2.2.43???? |
| 14:09.17 | alibennemzi | anybody ? |
| 14:09.25 | alibennemzi | yeah thankss :) |
| 14:09.29 | mattbnr | you mean 3.0.2? |
| 14:09.47 | alibennemzi | nope 2.4.3 burning crusade |
| 14:10.00 | mattbnr | wow has been updated to 3.0.2 |
| 14:10.03 | mattbnr | actually 3.0.3 |
| 14:10.10 | mattbnr | your way behind my man |
| 14:10.55 | alibennemzi | as me not playing of official guess me have to live wht the facts that i am behind :) so any idea wich one is good for that version ? |
| 14:11.18 | mattbnr | uhh not really |
| 14:11.29 | mattbnr | not playing officail? |
| 14:11.59 | alibennemzi | well kind of he 1 million free shards with the emulated server |
| 14:12.18 | mattbnr | oh we don't support private servers actually |
| 14:12.34 | Grum | alibennemzi: stop using hacked crappy server |
| 14:12.35 | Grum | +s |
| 14:12.41 | Grum | indeed .. bleh :P |
| 14:12.47 | Grum | just pay like normal people ! |
| 14:13.22 | alibennemzi | ohh i guess you are normal ??? with you dump behaiver grum |
| 14:13.37 | alibennemzi | and mattnbr thats for your help :) |
| 14:13.37 | Grum | dump behaiver? |
| 14:13.40 | Grum | epic:) |
| 14:13.57 | nudave` | heh |
| 14:14.15 | Grum | just insta kick those leechers |
| 14:14.28 | mattbnr | ah we just tell them we can't help them |
| 14:14.40 | Grum | same difference :) |
| 14:14.41 | mattbnr | private servers are hacked most of the time so they get some serious bugs |
| 14:14.52 | Grum | you dont want to support anything other than real servers :) |
| 14:15.39 | nudave` | MS Excel stinks. |
| 14:15.48 | mattbnr | I use openoffice |
| 14:15.52 | mattbnr | I freaking love it |
| 14:15.58 | mattbnr | openopffice 3.0 beta |
| 14:16.29 | mattbnr | all the love of excel with the better service and updates |
| 14:16.50 | nudave` | I'm trying to import my aucdb file into excel...but it just doesn't do it the way I want it to. |
| 14:16.59 | Grum | database in excel? |
| 14:17.13 | mattbnr | ok I have to ask... what is the point in doing the whole import to excel thing? I see a lot of people wanting to do this |
| 14:17.24 | mattbnr | I just don't get the reason behind it |
| 14:17.47 | nudave` | to run more stats |
| 14:17.55 | mattbnr | as in? |
| 14:17.55 | nudave` | at least that is my purpose |
| 14:18.13 | Grum | put it in a database and use a simple program to extract information? :) |
| 14:18.18 | nudave` | well, with the new auctioneer it only saves the current snapshot |
| 14:18.19 | mattbnr | we have like 7 sdifferent stat collectors as it is what else could you possibly need |
| 14:18.21 | Grum | sqlite+yourflavor! |
| 14:18.35 | nudave` | I want to save the information over time |
| 14:18.42 | mattbnr | no historgram collects dat forever |
| 14:18.49 | mattbnr | market collects data forever |
| 14:19.00 | mattbnr | simple collects data for a given amount of time like 2 weeks or smoething |
| 14:19.16 | mattbnr | data any longer then 2 weeks is a waste of time honestly |
| 14:19.49 | Grum | cool to make a graph of the complete servers economy over time though :) |
| 14:19.57 | mattbnr | already being done |
| 14:20.07 | Grum | where? ^^ |
| 14:20.22 | mattbnr | histogram is gonna have a graph in game capability soon |
| 14:21.04 | mattbnr | really I could care less what a item sold for 6 months ago or even 6 weeks ago |
| 14:21.17 | mattbnr | 2 weeks is the cut off for me to have data |
| 14:21.20 | nudave` | looking at Auc-Stat-Simple.lua... |
| 14:22.17 | mattbnr | that is my main pricing model actually |
| 14:25.30 | nudave` | histogram does have it all heh |
| 14:26.47 | mattbnr | histogram keep infor forever |
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| 14:28.39 | mattbnr | have you read our wiki at all? |
| 14:28.49 | mattbnr | http://wiki.norganna.org/Main_Page |
| 14:28.59 | nudave` | yes, just starting to dive into this though |
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| 14:59.04 | nudave` | mattbnr: has anyone attempted to collect all the information from all realms and compare? |
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| 16:40.41 | norgs | PLEASE BE AWARE: I am about to commit some code that will most likely destroy your ability to use auctioneer completely to the trunk. |
| 16:41.26 | norgs | Please stop svn updating unless you're helping to debug the new LibET code |
| 16:43.57 | viisual | ooooh |
| 16:44.06 | viisual | looks up what LibET is |
| 16:44.33 | viisual | can't find anything |
| 16:44.43 | norgs | viisual: LibET is the replacement to EnhTooltip that Tem wrote for us |
| 16:44.50 | viisual | \o/ |
| 16:44.53 | norgs | it's called LibExtraTip |
| 16:45.42 | viisual | Your search - LibExtraTip - did not match any documents. |
| 16:45.43 | viisual | :( |
| 16:45.49 | viisual | =D |
| 16:46.57 | norgs | Yah, it's new |
| 16:47.34 | norgs | We've been working on it for a while but it's only really just been finished |
| 16:48.46 | viisual | I hear ya =/ |
| 16:49.05 | norgs | http://forums.norganna.org/discussion/8827 |
| 16:49.07 | viisual | I've been working on my plan to be the first 70 dk ;) |
| 16:49.23 | viisual | 80's pushin it, I only get so many days off ;( |
| 16:50.31 | viisual | abstain, aww no one likes that |
| 16:51.09 | viisual | ...but I understand ;) |
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| 16:58.27 | CIA-54 | auctioneer: 03Norganna * r3767 10/trunk/ (54 files in 23 dirs): LTT-2: Massive changeset for LibET conversion |
| 16:59.13 | ^nbot | Pollution 03auctioneer r3767 10Norganna: Auc-Util-Appraiser/AprFrame.lua has new global vars: moneyCount at line 2402 and m at line 2404 |
| 16:59.14 | norgs | Ok, thar she blows |
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| 17:16.43 | hellblazer | guys hi can aneone help me installing and using gatherer ?? plz ^_^ |
| 17:17.57 | viisual | Anyone take off work 13th/14th ? |
| 17:19.44 | hellblazer | plz help |
| 17:20.27 | RockSlice | hellblazer: download the zip from http://gathereraddon.com/dl/ |
| 17:20.48 | RockSlice | and extract the contents to Interface/Addons |
| 17:22.53 | hellblazer | aint woorking |
| 17:23.03 | RockSlice | are you on vista? |
| 17:23.08 | viisual | veeesta |
| 17:23.22 | hellblazer | i install then i type /gatherer |
| 17:23.25 | hellblazer | no xp |
| 17:23.32 | hellblazer | plz i need so much |
| 17:23.45 | hellblazer | i play 2.4.3 on wow toxic private server |
| 17:23.57 | viisual | You prolly just lost your help. |
| 17:24.00 | viisual | gj. |
| 17:24.02 | RockSlice | I'm sorry, we can't do support for private servers |
| 17:24.07 | hellblazer | plz |
| 17:24.07 | viisual | ^ |
| 17:24.19 | hellblazer | i also play normal but not money now |
| 17:24.32 | hellblazer | next mont o play on normal |
| 17:24.44 | viisual | WotLK! |
| 17:24.57 | hellblazer | yes |
| 17:25.17 | hellblazer | when WoTLK comes out im going on blizz server |
| 17:25.17 | norgs | hellblazer: we don't support utilization of our addons for illigal activities |
| 17:25.47 | hellblazer | plz ^_^ |
| 17:26.36 | hellblazer | guys plz help me out |
| 17:26.51 | viisual | google.com |
| 17:26.57 | norgs | no, we can't support it. both because it's wrong, plus it just doesn't work anymore and we aren't going to fix stuff to work back on old version of wow |
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| 17:27.29 | hellblazer | ahh so not working in 2.4.3? |
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| 17:29.01 | norgs | our addons work witht he current version of wow. that is all we can assist you with. if you install it on a proper version, you will see it works fine |
| 17:29.41 | hellblazer | ok ty and ur add ROX the best ever for miners |
| 17:29.55 | hellblazer | next month gona use it |
| 17:30.21 | hellblazer | 1 more thing |
| 17:30.37 | hellblazer | where can i get big baggs ? i play ali |
| 17:31.09 | norgs | ok guys i'm heading off to bed now |
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| 19:10.00 | lewis | hey all |
| 19:11.32 | lewis | does anyone know how to get gatherer to display herbs on the mainmap |
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| 20:05.57 | viisual | muse is so awesome. |
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| 21:10.30 | sett | anyone making some long term investements atm? |
| 21:11.39 | Hirsute | Yeah, for me it's called Medical School, and keeps me away from the game. :( |
| 21:12.13 | viisual | I'm betting i'm the first 70 dk on my server. |
| 21:12.33 | sett | well i mean ah things =) |
| 21:12.35 | asser | buying up large brilliants here cause they're dirt cheap .. also thorium for the dks |
| 21:12.53 | viisual | LBS will be cheap because of the invasion. |
| 21:13.03 | viisual | I got 40 void crystals in 2 hours. |
| 21:13.26 | viisual | I'm hoping they turn into the Greater Eternals when wotlk comes out. |
| 21:14.10 | asser | I don't think it's likely that they'll make that kind of conversion available |
| 21:20.59 | sett | u can invest in any item i guess its just time wait to see when prices go up ) |
| 21:28.06 | viisual | asser, not in a sense you can convert 1:1 or 2:1 but the market value reacts similarly, greater eternals continue to be the highest priced enchant mat for me at least. |
| 21:32.38 | asser | ah yes in that way, that's what I'm hoping for as well |
| 21:32.59 | viisual | Glyphs have been bombing on my server at least =/ |
| 21:33.09 | viisual | I can't even sell the ones I used to skill up |
| 21:33.13 | viisual | But I did make some nice cash early on |
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| 21:39.29 | Zel | Hello. Under my searchers < Snatch, I'm having difficulty adding an item. I have a thottbot in-game link, but I can't seem to add it to my snatch list. I don't have an item to drop into the box in the gui. Any suggestions? |
| 21:40.57 | Nechckn_AFK | As long as the window is open, if you click the link so that the Tooltip shows, it should be added into the dropbox, too. |
| 21:43.29 | Zel | No luck. Which window needs to be open? I am talking to an auctioneer, and have the searchui interface open with the snatch searcher configuration open. |
| 21:57.35 | SNiLD | just /say the link and then click it |
| 22:09.30 | Zel | Ok. I tried /say and then clicked the link, but nothing was placed into the searchUI gui. Do I need anything else loaded to make this work? When I type "/auc about" it only show auctioneer advanced as loaded? |
| 22:10.12 | SNiLD | shouldn't... oh wait was there a tickbox setting for that now |
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| 22:24.00 | Zel | Can you think of any other reason why, when I click on an item, it doens't automatically appear in the drop box under the Snatch settings in my SearchUI? |
| 22:25.08 | Zel | If there was a command line that I could use, I could make this work. As it is, I might have to resort to editing one of my database files to input the items I want to snatch. |
| 22:25.58 | mattbnr1 | something about using item links to make snatch work |
| 22:26.19 | mattbnr1 | like you have to cclick on a item link to put it on the snatch list |
| 22:33.39 | Zel | Ok, say I have a link: |
| 22:33.55 | mattbnr1 | [arcane dust] |
| 22:34.07 | Zel | right. Let me try it with arcane dust. |
| 22:35.09 | mattbnr1 | you have to link it to the chat like trade |
| 22:35.22 | mattbnr1 | then clcik on the link in trade to add it to snatch I do believe |
| 22:35.32 | mattbnr1 | im just going from memory as my auctioneer doesn't work right now |
| 22:35.36 | RockSlice | alt-click, i think |
| 22:35.46 | Zel | Nothing. So I found arcane dust in the AH, typed /say and shift clicked the arcane dust to create a clickable link. Then I opened search UI and under the snatch window. |
| 22:36.03 | Zel | Clicked the link, nothing. It's not putting the item in the gui drop box. |
| 22:36.06 | mattbnr1 | try lining to trade chat |
| 22:36.12 | RockSlice | simple click |
| 22:36.20 | RockSlice | what version do you have, zel? |
| 22:37.19 | Zel | auc about shows 3604 |
| 22:37.34 | mattbnr1 | 3715 is the latest |
| 22:37.36 | RockSlice | that's why. you're way behind |
| 22:37.38 | RockSlice | http://auctioneeraddon.com/dl/#release |
| 22:38.38 | Zel | Ok. I'll update and report back. I'm going to stay in chat while I update. Any quick tips to keep my database and settings while I do this? |
| 22:39.01 | mattbnr1 | you won't lose anything |
| 22:39.13 | mattbnr1 | your data is stored in the wtf folder |
| 22:39.18 | Zel | Ok. |
| 22:42.15 | Zel | Should I just overwrite, or delete the folders, then place the new folders in the directory? |
| 22:42.43 | RockSlice | deleting the folders is best |
| 22:42.48 | Zel | ok, will do. |
| 22:48.15 | ^nbot | Bug 03INF-39 10kandoko: LibExtraTip/TipHelper conversion causes informant to fail with nil concatenate errors 06 (04In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/INF-39 10 |
| 22:49.04 | Zel | Ok, it looks like I've lost my settings, but the item database is in tact after the upgrade. However, I still cannot click on an item and have it appear in snatch. |
| 22:50.16 | ^nbot | Bug 03INF-39 10kandoko: LibExtraTip/TipHelper conversion causes informant to fail with nil concatenate errors 06 (04In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/INF-39 10 |
| 22:50.19 | ^nbot | Task 03LTT-2 10Nechckn: Move AAdv to Ltt from ETT06 (04In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/LTT-2 10Nechckn: A bit smaller- none of my "keyboard fell over ZZZZZZZZZZZ... |
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| 22:54.16 | ^nbot | Bug 03INF-39 10kandoko: LibExtraTip/TipHelper conversion causes informant to fail with nil concatenate errors 06 (04Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/INF-39 10kandoko: r3769 Changes local itemType,itemID,suffix,factor,enchant... |
| 23:00.00 | Zel | It works now. |
| 23:00.06 | mattbnr1 | good good |
| 23:03.04 | Zel | It didn't work when I first upgraded to the most recent version, but after loading my previous saved settings, it did. I don't know what caused it to work (which is a shame) but I'll just consider it a ID10T error and move on. |
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