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| 01:23.21 | *** topic/#norganna is AuctioneerAdvanced and AuctioneerClassic version 5.0 available (Currently Under Preview) || Gatherer 3.1.3 Released! || http://auctioneeraddon.com/dl & http://gathereraddon.com/dl || Post bugs on Jira or http://norganna.pastey.net || General WoW chatter in #WoWUIDev || Uploads to http://Up.Norganna.Org (if asked) || Patience, my young padawan... |
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| 05:18.15 | ^nbot | New Feature 03APPR-188 10sabriath: Shift-clicking to get item link06 (04Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-188 10 |
| 05:19.16 | ^nbot | Improvement 03ASER-98 10SNiLD: Page refreshes should have their own window/tab.06 (04Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ASER-98 10 |
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| 13:12.35 | Sabriath | i just downloaded AA5, is there something wrong with the mailbox hooking? |
| 13:12.37 | Sabriath | oops |
| 13:12.40 | Sabriath | mt |
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| 14:14.13 | ^nbot | NorgWiki 03Auctioneer Advanced/Screens 10Dinesh: Initial draft http://wiki.norganna.org/Auctioneer_Advanced/Screens |
| 14:18.14 | SNiLD | do you need someone to take some screenshots btw? |
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| 14:36.14 | ^nbot | NorgWiki 03Special:Log/upload 10Dinesh: uploaded "[[Image:BrowseAATab.jpg]]": The Browse Tab with Compact UI enabled. http://wiki.norganna.org/Special:Log/upload |
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| 14:38.09 | SNiLD | damn you're rich dinesh ;D |
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| 14:45.20 | Sabriath | i'm lazy, where can i find the assault formula for enchanting? (i really don't want to load up alla/thotbot) |
| 14:54.25 | mattbnr | aska enchanter to link it |
| 14:54.55 | mattbnr | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=44490 |
| 14:55.12 | Sabriath | *sighs* |
| 14:55.19 | mattbnr | http://thottbot.com/s34002 |
| 14:55.38 | mattbnr | there you go i did all the hard work |
| 14:55.42 | mattbnr | jsut click |
| 14:55.59 | Sabriath | lol the point was so i didn't have to load the browser, had nothing to do with searching for it |
| 14:56.17 | Sabriath | i have background processes running that bog down on loads |
| 14:57.02 | mattbnr | no where to get it man cant help you then |
| 14:57.15 | Sabriath | plus i asked where the formula was, not what the enchant does...but oh well, already have the browser up, i'll look it up, thanks |
| 14:57.39 | mattbnr | oh where it drops from? |
| 14:57.58 | Sabriath | yes, no formula so i'm guessing i just train for it |
| 14:58.14 | mattbnr | idk man |
| 14:59.16 | ^nbot | New Feature 03ASER-78 10Kiff: Permanently ignore items.06 (04Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ASER-78 10RockSlice: ignoring is done via the ItemPrice Filtering, so you can ... |
| 15:00.17 | Sabriath | yeah, assault is learned by trainer, woot...i can do 69 assaults lol |
| 15:01.20 | SNiLD | gz ^^; |
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| 15:33.00 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: 03RockSlice * r3570 10Auc-Util-SearchUI/SearchMain.lua: Implements ASER-104: button layout improvements |
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| 15:35.13 | ^nbot | Improvement 03ASER-104 10RockSlice: Improve the GUI06 (04Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ASER-104 10RockSlice: Implemented in r3570 |
| 15:35.17 | ^nbot | New Feature 03ASER-78 10Kiff: Permanently ignore items.06 (04Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ASER-78 10RockSlice: Added at the same time with other GUI improvements in r3570 |
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| 15:49.14 | ^nbot | Bug 03SDAT-10 10brykrys: Need better handling of errors when unpacking scan image06* (04Unconfirmed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/SDAT-10 10 |
| 15:52.18 | ^nbot | Bug 03SDAT-11 10RockSlice: If loading fails, image is left as a string06 (04Closed/Duplicate) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/SDAT-11 10 |
| 15:52.22 | ^nbot | Bug 03SDAT-10 10brykrys: Need better handling of errors when unpacking scan image06 (04In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/SDAT-10 10 |
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| 15:55.14 | ^nbot | Improvement 03SDAT-10 10brykrys: Need better handling of errors when unpacking scan image06 (04In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/SDAT-10 10 |
| 15:56.20 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: 03RockSlice * r3571 10Auc-ScanData/ScanData.lua: |
| 15:56.20 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: Fixes SDAT-10: Problems in loading the Scandata image will no longer cause errors. |
| 15:56.21 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: Error message will still only be printed to chat, but the image is now cleared, instead of left as a string. |
| 15:57.17 | ^nbot | NorgWiki 03Special:Log/move 10Dinesh: [[Auctioneer Advanced/Screens]] moved to [[AucAdvanced/Screens]]: use same format as other pages http://wiki.norganna.org/Special:Log/move |
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| 15:58.14 | ^nbot | Improvement 03SDAT-10 10brykrys: Need better handling of errors when unpacking scan image06 (04Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/SDAT-10 10RockSlice: fixed in r3571 |
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| 19:05.38 | SNiLD | Message: Error: Original call failed while running hooks: GameTooltip.SetCraftItem |
| 19:05.38 | SNiLD | 1 : Invalid craft item in SetCraftItem(index, reagent) |
| 19:06.37 | SNiLD | that happened when i opened enchanting window :/ |
| 19:17.49 | RockSlice | pastey the full error please, SNiLD |
| 19:18.26 | SNiLD | http://pastebin.ca/1222980 |
| 19:20.19 | RockSlice | does it happen without ATSW? |
| 19:21.42 | Sabriath | atsw is the shit |
| 19:21.46 | Sabriath | but it's been broken for awhile |
| 19:22.19 | SNiLD | it didn't happen before 5.0.0 |
| 19:22.20 | Sabriath | i've been putting bandaids on it, it works for the most part, but i don't think it'll work after 3.0 |
| 19:23.14 | Sabriath | i have had errors pre 5.0.0 on atsw |
| 19:23.51 | SNiLD | i haven't |
| 19:24.02 | SNiLD | and haven't found better replacement for it either :/ |
| 19:24.38 | Sabriath | there use to be a really good one, but broke after 2.0, it would autocraft your items and sorted better in smaller windows as well as keep notes of your own prices |
| 19:25.12 | Sabriath | did the error occur on enchanting screen? |
| 19:25.54 | Sabriath | i noticed that the enchanting screen broke after 2.2ish...it doesn't autoset to first chant, so it has an empty chant screen like a ghost...it causes an error when you mouse over the ghost |
| 19:26.35 | Nechckn | Skillet, the lil' sparky branch, is the only comprehensive tradeskill addon that is up to date. |
| 19:27.03 | Sabriath | i love my atsw though |
| 19:27.06 | Nechckn | *at least of any that I've been able to find - and it provides a ton of options/functions |
| 19:27.24 | Nechckn | Not saying you have to change- as long as you can keep it up yourself |
| 19:27.32 | Sabriath | you can edit your own craft groupings, works well for enchanting especially, where you can put all your weapons, armor, etc. in separate categories |
| 19:28.19 | Sabriath | it also will automatically build your craft list if you don't have the basic craft made, like selecting linen robe will auto build the bolts of linen prior to the robe |
| 19:28.28 | SNiLD | skillet was ok but couldn't beat atsw |
| 19:28.53 | SNiLD | and lil'sparky is nothing alone |
| 19:29.24 | Nechckn | It's combined- notice it says "Skillet, the lil' sparky branch" |
| 19:29.37 | SNiLD | yes even combined |
| 19:29.40 | Nechckn | not Skillet or lil' sparky's workshop or whatever |
| 19:29.51 | SNiLD | hm? |
| 19:30.02 | SNiLD | i used to use skillet + lil'sparky |
| 19:30.12 | Nechckn | and- not saying anything is better or worse, just that it's the only one that is current |
| 19:30.12 | SNiLD | but it was teh shit compared to atsw |
| 19:31.41 | Sabriath | there's not even any ss for skillet on curse |
| 19:32.02 | Nechckn | Curse just moved- there is not alot of anything |
| 19:32.09 | Nechckn | but it's getting better |
| 19:32.47 | SNiLD | ace went to shit as well after moving :( |
| 19:32.53 | Nechckn | Since they are incorporating, but keeping Ace somewhat seperate, it's been rather interesting. |
| 19:34.00 | Nechckn | Well, someone has to pay the bills, unfortunately - and the myriad of auto-updaters that were trolling their repo every day effectively killed it. |
| 19:34.21 | SNiLD | yeah definately |
| 19:34.30 | SNiLD | but it doesn't mean you have to go from awesome to shit ;) |
| 19:34.38 | Nechckn | They are doing a decent job with integration though- it's a hurculean task |
| 19:34.40 | SNiLD | i could even pay for the service as they suggest |
| 19:34.45 | SNiLD | if it's WORTH PAYING FOR.... |
| 19:34.49 | SNiLD | but ... it isn't |
| 19:35.13 | Nechckn | Sure, you don't have to- you just don't get to auto-update whole batches of addons at once |
| 19:35.34 | Nechckn | If you don't pay, you can update them as they are updated- what a concept! =) |
| 19:35.56 | Nechckn | not *you*, but people in general. |
| 19:36.14 | SNiLD | currently you don't have to pay but your addons will get broken or not update at all :p |
| 19:36.19 | Sabriath | starti made skillet based on his work with atsw, i'm gonna have to switch and try it out |
| 19:36.25 | Sabriath | it's hosted on wowinterface |
| 19:36.39 | Nechckn | WoWI and Curse both provide notification services, via email or their sites' PM software |
| 19:36.58 | SNiLD | that's the old way i used to update my addons |
| 19:36.59 | Nechckn | so you can easily update, when there are updates |
| 19:37.09 | SNiLD | visit the sites regurarily |
| 19:37.15 | Sabriath | i don't use the updater...i think that's the most laziest thing ever created |
| 19:37.27 | SNiLD | i don't want to use any updater until they get the curse one fixed |
| 19:37.36 | SNiLD | it fuxored too much of my addons :S |
| 19:37.36 | Sabriath | i dl what i need when i need it...if something errors, it's not the end of the world |
| 19:45.28 | SNiLD | well when you can taste the sweet juice of autoupdaters you don't want to go back to the old ways ;) |
| 19:46.22 | Sabriath | i have tried the autoupdater, and honestly, i am disgusted by them |
| 19:46.37 | SNiLD | you've tried something bad :p |
| 19:46.47 | Sabriath | curse autoupdater as well as ace |
| 19:46.51 | Sabriath | both suck |
| 19:46.51 | Nechckn | man, dude got some bad shit |
| 19:47.04 | SNiLD | indeed |
| 19:47.10 | Nechckn | don't take the brown... updater? |
| 19:47.19 | Nechckn | not quite the same, but close1 |
| 19:47.34 | Sabriath | i mean, sure, if i had nothing to start with and downloaded using the updater it would work fine, but i have like 15+ mods that i had prior to the autoupdater, it started breaking every single mod i had |
| 19:47.45 | Nechckn | with the move, the lil sparky branch of skillet got axed |
| 19:48.07 | Sabriath | not to mention any errors that are released in the mods would instantly break it, why would i want it to update to a worse mod update |
| 19:48.24 | Nechckn | not sure what all would be missing, so just something to keep in mind. |
| 19:48.51 | Sabriath | i just got skillet...it's missing the ability to create your own categories |
| 19:48.54 | SNiLD | yes wau updates to the latest snapshot from svn so it's always betastuff |
| 19:49.01 | SNiLD | that's what they are going to change as well |
| 19:49.06 | Sabriath | everything else other than the custom sort is atsw style |
| 19:49.14 | ^nbot | New Feature 03ADV-318 10colaFRank: New module suggestion: Logging specific WTS's06 (04Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-318 10colaFRank: I would like to add that it just sprang to mind this mod ... |
| 19:49.54 | SNiLD | skillet didn't list how many of the items you could craft on the crafting frame |
| 19:50.03 | SNiLD | that was the most annoying thing that was missing :( |
| 19:50.21 | SNiLD | also missing the autocategories was a paint |
| 19:50.23 | SNiLD | -t |
| 19:50.35 | Sabriath | actually, the one i just got shows how many you can craft |
| 19:50.46 | Nechckn | When you open the craft frame? Yes, it does |
| 19:50.48 | Sabriath | it's the EXACT same as atsw without the customizable categories |
| 19:50.55 | SNiLD | :o |
| 19:50.58 | SNiLD | gief! |
| 19:51.03 | Sabriath | starti made both of them |
| 19:51.11 | Sabriath | so it would make sense he kept it similar |
| 19:51.13 | ^nbot | New Feature 03ADV-318 10colaFRank: --- New module suggestion: Logging specific WTS's06 (04Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-318 10colaFRank: I would like to add that it just sprang to mind this mod ... |
| 19:51.27 | Sabriath | it looks better gui, but i miss the categories, which was a big plus |
| 19:51.34 | SNiLD | it would but it was completely different when i downloaded from the files.wowace.com |
| 19:51.39 | SNiLD | long ago though |
| 19:51.42 | Sabriath | try it now |
| 19:51.46 | Nechckn | Nogudnik would not be happy to hear you say that, Sabriath |
| 19:52.02 | Sabriath | i had to get it from wowinterface though....curse didn't show any screenshots and i don't like when i get secondhand crap |
| 19:52.27 | Sabriath | it's kinda like a guy going "i didn't make this, i found it, so i uploaded it for everyone else to *get infected by a virus i put in with it*" |
| 19:52.34 | SNiLD | wow cairenn changed avatar :O |
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| 19:53.03 | Sabriath | oooooo....skillet has a "hide uncraftable" button that is pretty neat idea |
| 19:53.07 | Sabriath | that gives it a + |
| 19:53.57 | SNiLD | Date: |
| 19:53.57 | SNiLD | |
| 19:53.57 | SNiLD | 10-27-2007 01:19 PM |
| 19:54.21 | Nechckn | The nice part of the lilsparky branch is that he took and updated it, including the workshop stuff and more. |
| 19:54.33 | SNiLD | oh |
| 19:54.40 | SNiLD | so it's completely different branch |
| 19:54.43 | Nechckn | But, again, the Branch was axed |
| 19:54.45 | SNiLD | what name is it under? |
| 19:54.51 | SNiLD | >:S |
| 19:54.52 | Nechckn | arghhh.... read backlog |
| 19:55.21 | Sabriath | omg |
| 19:56.45 | Nechckn | Read http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=12070&highlight=sparky |
| 19:58.33 | Sabriath | what does lilsparky add exactly? |
| 19:59.10 | SNiLD | auction prices |
| 19:59.24 | Sabriath | but doesn't auctioneer handle that? |
| 19:59.27 | Nechckn | It's up to date, gives you full pricing info, etc |
| 19:59.49 | Nechckn | it pulls from AuctioneerAdvanced, so it's up to date pricing |
| 20:00.01 | SNiLD | auctioneer can't tell you what it costs to craft an item from the reagents |
| 20:00.02 | Nechckn | try it - if you don't like it, revert |
| 20:00.08 | Sabriath | uhm |
| 20:00.15 | ^nbot | NorgWiki 03AucAdvanced/Screens/AppraiserTab 10Dinesh: Initial draft http://wiki.norganna.org/AucAdvanced/Screens/AppraiserTab |
| 20:00.22 | Sabriath | i have skillet and it's showing me everything in the tooltip, let me get a ss and show you |
| 20:01.39 | Sabriath | http://up.norganna.org/index.php/vcQaRAK/wow2.jpg |
| 20:01.42 | Sabriath | see |
| 20:01.59 | Sabriath | it's part of enchantrix |
| 20:02.18 | Nechckn | Yes... but that only works for enchanting |
| 20:03.11 | SNiLD | btw. how come enchantrix barker still can't include stuff you have in bank? ;) |
| 20:03.12 | Sabriath | well that statement was a little hilarious |
| 20:03.12 | Nechckn | It's up to you, you can try it or not. It is the only one that is being kept up to date with bug fixes and such, too. If regular skillet is fine, use it. If ATSW is fine, use it. |
| 20:03.53 | Nechckn | Hilarious how? It won't help you with Leatherworking, for instance. |
| 20:03.53 | Sabriath | enchantments were the only items that are not sellable in game, and enchantrix added the ability to see how much to price it for....all other items have their OWN tooltips for prices...so making that statement kinda duh |
| 20:04.02 | Sabriath | i'll show you another ss |
| 20:04.03 | Sabriath | hold on |
| 20:04.24 | Nechckn | Pardon me? |
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| 20:04.57 | Sabriath | http://up.norganna.org/index.php/vBxpVgD/wow3.jpg |
| 20:04.58 | randomguy | anyone online? |
| 20:05.01 | randomguy | oh yeah |
| 20:05.06 | Sabriath | it doesn't have much to price, because i haven't scanned past today |
| 20:05.14 | Sabriath | but you can fully see it shows pricing from the ah |
| 20:05.15 | Nechckn | sure randomguy, with what can we help? |
| 20:05.22 | randomguy | guys i need some help, i remember months ago i was using auctioneer perfectly and now theres some bugs |
| 20:05.32 | Nechckn | such as? |
| 20:05.43 | randomguy | well first of all i'm using auctioneer classic |
| 20:05.57 | Sabriath | as far as i know, we're moving away from AC |
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| 20:06.00 | randomguy | sorry backspace |
| 20:06.02 | randomguy | so |
| 20:06.13 | SNiLD | :P |
| 20:06.16 | Sabriath | lol |
| 20:06.19 | Sabriath | as far as i know, we're moving away from AC |
| 20:06.20 | Nechckn | Okay, there are some errors with AC that are not being addressed, since we are not porting it over to WoW 3.x and WotLK |
| 20:06.22 | randomguy | when i press "search auctions" then i right click an item and do browse auctions, it scans everything again |
| 20:06.46 | Nechckn | Is this with 5.0, randomguy? |
| 20:06.49 | randomguy | yeah |
| 20:07.11 | SNiLD | Sabriath: it calculates the total price it costs to make an item from ingredients, your screenshot only shows what the Iron Bar would cost, not what 1xIron Ore would cost (to make the Iron Bar) |
| 20:07.14 | Nechckn | So you just updated within the past couple of days, correct? |
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| 20:07.33 | Sabriath | nech: do you see what i was talking about? |
| 20:07.35 | randomguy | well i even deleted my WTF folder and installed it and the bug is still there |
| 20:08.00 | Nechckn | Do you use KnownRecipe, by chance? |
| 20:08.01 | Sabriath | snild: well understandable snild, but if you scroll over top of each item it shows their cost as well |
| 20:08.07 | randomguy | yeah |
| 20:08.10 | Sabriath | simple arithmetic can tell you |
| 20:08.11 | Nechckn | That's why |
| 20:08.19 | randomguy | that's pretty random, lol |
| 20:08.21 | Nechckn | randomguy we notified the author |
| 20:08.29 | SNiLD | Sabriath: and that's what the addon does, the arithmetic FOR you :) |
| 20:08.30 | randomguy | oh really, nice |
| 20:08.38 | Nechckn | randomguy they have done nothing to address the issue, even after we provided a fix |
| 20:08.51 | Sabriath | snild: seems almost useless considering my realm ALL mats costs more than the crafted |
| 20:08.51 | randomguy | anyway i don't need it at the moment so i guess everythings ok .. at least for me |
| 20:08.56 | SNiLD | i don't want to keep calulator open to know what an item would cost to make from regents when an addon can tell it me directly ;) |
| 20:08.58 | randomguy | but thank you for such a fast answer ;D |
| 20:09.17 | Nechckn | No problem, randomguy happy to help. |
| 20:09.23 | SNiLD | Sabriath: what realm is that? |
| 20:09.42 | Sabriath | aerie peak |
| 20:09.42 | randomguy | oh another question |
| 20:09.47 | Nechckn | Please do start migrating to AuctioneerAdvanced, as noted, AC will not be supported after 3.x hits |
| 20:10.01 | randomguy | will you guys change AA's interface because i hate it xD |
| 20:10.12 | SNiLD | sure... :-D |
| 20:10.15 | randomguy | everything is hard to find |
| 20:10.21 | Sabriath | hard to find? |
| 20:10.23 | Sabriath | what? |
| 20:10.31 | Sabriath | AA is the BEST |
| 20:10.34 | randomguy | yeah i mean its not organized and u must scroll a lot |
| 20:10.35 | Sabriath | ;p |
| 20:10.41 | Nechckn | There is documentation on the http://Wiki.Norganna.Org/AucAdvanced/ |
| 20:10.42 | SNiLD | that's true |
| 20:10.49 | Nechckn | there is more on the way, too |
| 20:10.50 | Sabriath | scroll a lot? |
| 20:11.05 | SNiLD | you must scroll on almost every window |
| 20:11.13 | randomguy | ppl hate scrolling |
| 20:11.20 | SNiLD | HATE! |
| 20:11.30 | SNiLD | what's your screen resolution? |
| 20:11.36 | Sabriath | the only problem i have with AA is it won't remember to keep the "price per item" checked and items sorted by price per unit |
| 20:11.48 | randomguy | seriously guy i dont know if you guys see what i mean, but the best addon interface i've seen so far is reciperadar |
| 20:11.50 | Nechckn | randomguy keep in mind that we are confined to the AH size- on some of the lower resolutions, the frame is huge and takes up the entire window already |
| 20:12.30 | Sabriath | the normal auction house interface you have to scroll...i don't understand how you can be pissed off when you had to do it with the game stock |
| 20:12.54 | randomguy | yeah but i mean theres lots of scrolling like everywhere and the interface isnt that neat |
| 20:12.57 | Sabriath | it's like me putting a turbo in your car and you saying "but i hate having to push the gas pedal" |
| 20:13.03 | randomguy | anyway i guess its not important its not an interface addon |
| 20:13.10 | Nechckn | randomguy keep in mind that AuctioneerAdvanced is modular, which AC is surely not, so there are efforts under way to provide completely different posting frames and more |
| 20:13.33 | Nechckn | When is the last time you tried it? |
| 20:14.01 | Sabriath | although it would be cool if it worked similar to BaudAuction, but....that's more scrolling lol |
| 20:14.07 | SNiLD | what's your screen resolution randomguy? |
| 20:14.09 | Nechckn | There have been about 300 changes over the past 2 months - with even more ongoing as we prep for WoW 3.x and WotLK |
| 20:14.16 | randomguy | um today.. i used ac months ago then stopped playing then i saw that there is a new auctioneer version i downloaded it and i was like wtf is all of that, i want the old version back ;[ |
| 20:14.30 | Nechckn | On what frame/ |
| 20:14.50 | randomguy | the new compactUI or whatever it is called, i dont know AA a lot i just tried it couple of minutes |
| 20:15.00 | randomguy | somethingUI i dont know the exact name |
| 20:15.05 | Sabriath | searchui |
| 20:15.06 | SNiLD | RockSlice gave some very nice commands that work great for SearchUI |
| 20:15.06 | Nechckn | There are 2 different versions currently available for the Appraiser Frame- one that closely resembles Auctioneer classic |
| 20:15.10 | Sabriath | yeah, that has a lot of scrolling |
| 20:15.21 | Sabriath | because it's option based and specific to find good deals |
| 20:15.22 | SNiLD | /run AucAdvanced.Modules.Util.SearchUI.Private.gui:SetWidth(1500) |
| 20:15.24 | randomguy | and yeah the new search thingy has loooots of scrolling |
| 20:15.25 | Sabriath | it's for the highend purchaser |
| 20:15.27 | SNiLD | /run AucAdvanced.Modules.Util.SearchUI.Private.gui:SetHeight(600) |
| 20:15.34 | Nechckn | randomguy And for CompactUI, you can disable that completely or change the size of the font, et cetera |
| 20:15.53 | randomguy | its not like the simple search auctions in ac ;D |
| 20:16.05 | Sabriath | ac was just a skeleton |
| 20:16.10 | randomguy | lol |
| 20:16.10 | Nechckn | Correct, it provides more of the functions our users requested |
| 20:16.16 | Sabriath | i don't see how you can confuse them...it was basically hit scan |
| 20:16.24 | Sabriath | that's pretty much all ac brought to the table |
| 20:16.37 | randomguy | well seriously i dont think theres lots of ppl that need all of those functions |
| 20:16.38 | Nechckn | If there is anything you cannot find, take a look at the wiki, noted earlier |
| 20:16.51 | Sabriath | actually, a person like me uses ALL the features |
| 20:17.03 | Sabriath | along with most of the people here....it makes any one of use lots of money |
| 20:17.06 | Sabriath | if used properly |
| 20:17.12 | randomguy | yeah i know |
| 20:17.14 | Nechckn | randomguy correct, many do not use all of them- you do not have to use all of them if you do not need to do so. |
| 20:17.45 | randomguy | yeah i understand its better to have it even if you dont use |
| 20:18.13 | randomguy | anyway that was my 2 cents some random comment from a random guy |
| 20:18.17 | Sabriath | and if you learn how to use it, it'll make your ah life a little better |
| 20:18.30 | Nechckn | randomguy The simple fact is that AC will not work. If you are happy with the default AH, then that is the way to go. As noted, we support 2 different Browse windows and 2 different "posting" interfaces |
| 20:18.31 | Sabriath | but you don't HAVE to learn it |
| 20:19.02 | Nechckn | There will be more on the way, but that will be once we are into WotLK |
| 20:19.19 | randomguy | yeah i know that it's ok.. i was just saying that its not organized like in ac and theres lots of scrolling |
| 20:19.47 | Nechckn | Yes, that is due to the constraints of the Window size |
| 20:20.01 | Sabriath | so much info, not enough room to put it |
| 20:20.05 | Nechckn | When it comes to the default AH, there is really not much we can do |
| 20:20.21 | SNiLD | i've never used beancounter |
| 20:20.21 | randomguy | maybe more left tabs with more option panels |
| 20:20.40 | Nechckn | We do provide a tool to increase the display size of the AH, increasing the "look" of it and one to make the text larger or smaller |
| 20:20.50 | randomguy | seriously i like more option panels that having to scroll |
| 20:20.51 | Sabriath | that's not exactly right though nech....the default AH window can be resized, but then lowres people won't be able to see anything off screen lol |
| 20:20.54 | Nechckn | All of the column sizes are adjustable, too |
| 20:21.01 | randomguy | than** |
| 20:21.16 | Nechckn | Just click and drag in the title of the column |
| 20:22.14 | Nechckn | Sabriath that is correct, we are constrained- so that we support all of the users, not only those with newer displays. |
| 20:22.16 | SNiLD | no they are not |
| 20:22.29 | SNiLD | oh right click ;P |
| 20:22.31 | Sabriath | i was just adding to your point |
| 20:23.17 | Sabriath | i still wish that the "price per unit" and the sorting style would persist after logging |
| 20:23.25 | randomguy | anyway im going back to wow so goodbye and thanks for the help |
| 20:23.33 | Nechckn | randomguy Happy Sales! |
| 20:23.37 | Sabriath | i hate having to click the "price" button 4 times waiting between clicks for it to resort |
| 20:23.42 | randomguy | ;D |
| 20:24.16 | SNiLD | i can see how all the new auction stuff can be confusing for new users |
| 20:24.26 | Sabriath | i can't lol |
| 20:24.38 | SNiLD | migration from btmscanner -> searchui would've not been possible without the help of Nechckn <3 |
| 20:25.14 | Sabriath | how i see it is he rides a bike and was given a car....2 modes of transportation, different directions on how to drive them |
| 20:25.19 | Nechckn | It's just the change is all- folks were used to one way for well over a year |
| 20:25.36 | Nechckn | The changes are major when viewed through the end-user lens |
| 20:25.42 | Sabriath | ac did NOTHING for me....in fact, i was using baudauction up until AA came out |
| 20:25.51 | SNiLD | yes but it's easier to click one button and wait for something to happen rather than to do much stuff yourself ;) |
| 20:26.14 | Sabriath | true snild....but making money isn't easy, in real life or in game |
| 20:26.18 | ^nbot | NorgWiki 03AucAdvanced/Screens/BtmScan 10Dinesh: Initial draft http://wiki.norganna.org/AucAdvanced/Screens/BtmScan |
| 20:26.36 | SNiLD | i used the old auctioneer, then moved to the kaelten's ace stuff (for improved performance) and then later came back for aa :P |
| 20:26.48 | Sabriath | exactly |
| 20:26.49 | SNiLD | Sabriath: true :) |
| 20:27.09 | Sabriath | can't grease your fingers and do some eye work....you don't deserve the opportunity to use AA for high cash |
| 20:27.17 | Sabriath | in my opinion |
| 20:28.29 | SNiLD | yeah well depends what auctioneer people are after |
| 20:28.51 | Sabriath | well, as i said, AC brought nothing but a scan button....which AA does anyway |
| 20:29.12 | Sabriath | if you don't like AA and can't stand to press the play button at the top instead of a scan button, go back to AH default |
| 20:29.40 | SNiLD | yeah i think the play button is confusing people ;P |
| 20:30.00 | Sabriath | it confused me too...but i asked, i was given direction, boom |
| 20:30.05 | Sabriath | i was willing to learn |
| 20:30.11 | SNiLD | yeah |
| 20:30.14 | SNiLD | most people are not though |
| 20:30.18 | SNiLD | they just change addons |
| 20:30.23 | Sabriath | i know...*sheesh* children lol |
| 20:30.27 | SNiLD | that's why the point is what auctioneer people want |
| 20:30.46 | Sabriath | well we have to go with the democratic way...majority wins right? |
| 20:31.04 | SNiLD | do they want "professional auctioning 'software'" or "easy auction for everyone" |
| 20:31.24 | Sabriath | they want a cruise-control button |
| 20:31.26 | Sabriath | that's all |
| 20:31.32 | SNiLD | :P |
| 20:31.42 | Sabriath | if they can just walk up to the auctioneer, right click him, walk away and get a sandwich, they'd be happy |
| 20:31.52 | SNiLD | i think people contributing to the auctioneer can deside |
| 20:31.58 | Sabriath | but that's against TOS, and they don't realize that we not only have to appease our users, but blizzard as well |
| 20:32.13 | SNiLD | if they want to go some way the other either follow or don't use the addon, as simple as that |
| 20:32.21 | Sabriath | amen |
| 20:33.19 | SNiLD | yeah blizz wouldn't like "press button receive bacon" :S |
| 20:33.33 | Sabriath | LOL |
| 20:34.29 | Sabriath | btw, i read in several places about the auction houses use to be separated between cities...when did they combine all faction cities into one? |
| 20:34.49 | SNiLD | hum huh? |
| 20:35.37 | SNiLD | oh before 1.0 ? |
| 20:35.37 | Sabriath | darn, IF, sw, exo....all have the same auctions.....same with the horde cities...but at some point, some patch, they were separate ahs |
| 20:35.43 | Sabriath | i was just wondering for historical reasons...i just like knowing |
| 20:36.02 | SNiLD | they haven't been separate during live atleast |
| 20:36.07 | SNiLD | don't know about beta |
| 20:36.24 | Sabriath | just like pre .7 i know that you could disenchant ANY item (linen, wool, anything) |
| 20:36.24 | SNiLD | did you play since 1.0? |
| 20:36.35 | Sabriath | 1.1 was the earliest i think i played |
| 20:37.10 | SNiLD | there was only one AH per faction (OG for horde, IF for alliance, Tanaris for mutual) |
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| 20:37.45 | SNiLD | having auctioneers in every city is fairly new thing :/ |
| 20:37.51 | Sabriath | o |
| 20:38.01 | Sabriath | you played pre 1.0? |
| 20:38.05 | SNiLD | no |
| 20:38.12 | SNiLD | i've played only live |
| 20:38.16 | Sabriath | k |
| 20:39.24 | SNiLD | hmm btw. about my error when opening enchanting window |
| 20:39.32 | SNiLD | it's gone now that i've erased atsw |
| 20:39.37 | SNiLD | and replaced with skillet |
| 20:40.03 | Sabriath | so how do you like skillet now? |
| 20:41.33 | SNiLD | it's much better |
| 20:41.39 | SNiLD | now it shows how many of the items i can make |
| 20:42.23 | SNiLD | oh and it has a filter now |
| 20:42.28 | SNiLD | that's very nice |
| 20:42.44 | Sabriath | i still miss the categories *cries* |
| 20:42.59 | SNiLD | for enchanting |
| 20:43.06 | SNiLD | other professions have categories :P |
| 20:43.06 | Sabriath | for all of the skills |
| 20:43.12 | SNiLD | hm? |
| 20:43.13 | Sabriath | i do my own cats |
| 20:43.23 | Sabriath | i like doing it by slot type |
| 20:43.28 | Sabriath | head, shoulders, chest, etc. |
| 20:43.33 | SNiLD | my jewelcrafting has catergories (but not custom ones) |
| 20:43.58 | Sabriath | all of mine have custom ones, at least with atsw they did |
| 20:44.26 | SNiLD | yeah i used to have them for enchanting as well |
| 20:44.28 | SNiLD | was useful |
| 20:44.32 | SNiLD | except it lagged like hell :P |
| 20:44.38 | SNiLD | opening/closing a category |
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| 20:57.34 | SNiLD | hey what does the IQR mean on the stats? |
| 20:58.22 | SNiLD | oh never mind the help window tells it once you find it! :) |
| 20:59.40 | Sabriath | not sure why they called it IQR honestly, sounds to me like coherence or mathematics R-coefficient |
| 21:00.19 | Nechckn | We did go comb through and add tooltips to all of the settings buttons and boxes - should you run into any without- let us know. |
| 21:00.38 | SNiLD | very nice work Nechckn! |
| 21:00.51 | Nechckn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQR |
| 21:01.43 | Sabriath | oh...it's the first 25% of the entire range, got it |
| 21:02.04 | SNiLD | no it's 50% of the middle? |
| 21:02.05 | Sabriath | which is needed to find coherence, but is not actually the r-coefficient |
| 21:02.21 | Sabriath | well 50% of 50% is 25% lol |
| 21:02.27 | SNiLD | sorry i misspelled |
| 21:02.42 | SNiLD | 50% of the whole (in the middle) |
| 21:02.48 | SNiLD | 25% - 75% |
| 21:03.15 | Nechckn | For us it's http://forums.norganna.org/discussion/1347/statistics-for-dummies-like-me/ |
| 21:03.25 | Sabriath | lol....that's still 25% of range, you are going from 50%...up 25 and down 25, still 25 |
| 21:03.41 | sett | spent 6 hours fixing wifi problems |
| 21:03.54 | sett | and i put some shit metal bar on antenna and it's fixed now |
| 21:04.00 | sett | ^^ |
| 21:04.22 | SNiLD | 25% -> 75% is 50% of the whole range |
| 21:04.47 | Nechckn | sett did you try standing, holding the rabbit ears? =) |
| 21:05.04 | sett | ye i almost was to do it |
| 21:05.53 | Nechckn | Thank goodness for cable, in that case... but as for wifi, finding issues can be a real bear. Especially in an older home/office |
| 21:06.16 | Sabriath | but i said the first 25%....ug, its hard to explain...but basically we are saying the same thing just different nomenclature |
| 21:06.56 | SNiLD | oh ok |
| 21:07.31 | Sabriath | the middle was already determined with the median, i was stating the first 25% from said median, based on a graphics calculator finding a best-fit line through datapoints |
| 21:07.56 | Sabriath | the r-coefficient would be the difference between the median, average and the IQR squared |
| 21:08.10 | SNiLD | does the histogram show IQR median or IQR? :/ |
| 21:08.28 | SNiLD | or median - IQR median? :P |
| 21:11.10 | SNiLD | hmm actually that median - IQR median would be quite good for determining the current trend |
| 21:12.19 | mattbnr | is everyones gems really dropping in price? |
| 21:12.27 | SNiLD | yes |
| 21:12.36 | mattbnr | it seems like all the gems on my server are like maybe helf price now |
| 21:12.43 | Sabriath | people are flooding the market prior to wotlk |
| 21:12.43 | mattbnr | half* |
| 21:12.54 | Sabriath | with inscription coming, there's almost no need for gems |
| 21:12.56 | mattbnr | yeah i cant resell them for anything |
| 21:12.57 | Sabriath | not sure on equipment either |
| 21:13.13 | Sabriath | notmally i'd keep my gems at a rate of 1 type per 3 days |
| 21:13.17 | Sabriath | normally* |
| 21:13.29 | Sabriath | to keep demand high..but i can't even sell mine because there's too many gems |
| 21:14.13 | Sabriath | doesn't help that people aren't even bothering to buy socket items...why bother when it'll be swapped out with northrend equipment |
| 21:17.14 | Nechckn | Make another alt- call him Blingbling send all of your best gems to him |
| 21:17.22 | Nechckn | keep them for later |
| 21:17.40 | mattbnr | lol |
| 21:17.47 | SNiLD | i bet there will be new gems to replace old ones ;) |
| 21:18.03 | Nechckn | Well, I did that with all of the "rep" things that "no one would ever need again" |
| 21:18.05 | Sabriath | i already am keeping my gems, i'm not dropping my prices 60& |
| 21:18.07 | Sabriath | % |
| 21:18.24 | Nechckn | and now that all of the folks have been bored and doing old content - I've made a killing |
| 21:18.43 | Nechckn | since the supply is like nil, except for me =) |
| 21:18.51 | SNiLD | :P |
| 21:19.09 | SNiLD | doesn't cost anything to store them on an alt |
| 21:19.13 | Nechckn | Granted, there will be better, etc... but- folks have so many alts, it's not funny |
| 21:19.21 | Nechckn | they'll all need something as they level |
| 21:19.35 | Nechckn | *even the poor folks who are just starting the game |
| 21:19.42 | SNiLD | rep items are bit different from gems though |
| 21:20.01 | Nechckn | Will they be as valuable- some could be, come could be much more Only time will tell |
| 21:20.22 | Sabriath | well i don't know about the alt thing, i know a few people who have all 10 toons to 70 |
| 21:20.25 | Nechckn | As for what median Histogram displays- RockSlice would be the go-to guy. |
| 21:20.27 | SNiLD | depends how big changes wotlk introduces |
| 21:20.39 | RockSlice | what's the question? |
| 21:20.40 | Sabriath | the next step is multi-boxing lol |
| 21:20.48 | Nechckn | Speak of the RockSlice |
| 21:21.03 | SNiLD | RockSlice: is the IQR that the tooltip tells median - IQR median? |
| 21:21.15 | RockSlice | Inter-Quartile-Ratio |
| 21:21.20 | Nechckn | If you have 10, all to 70... then you are really into the game and another 15 bucks shouldnt hurt |
| 21:21.36 | SNiLD | RockSlice: just pure IQR? :/ |
| 21:21.40 | RockSlice | yup |
| 21:21.46 | mattbnr | how long does that recruit a friend thing work |
| 21:21.49 | SNiLD | hmm then the tooltip is wrong |
| 21:22.20 | Nechckn | It says on the site, mattbnr |
| 21:22.20 | mattbnr | oh ill ahve to go look |
| 21:22.20 | RockSlice | how so? |
| 21:22.38 | SNiLD | The help window says: "An item with median 100g, and IQR 10g, has very consistent data. If the IQR was 100g, the prices are all over the place." |
| 21:22.40 | Nechckn | And, you don't like another 15 - split the "bank alt" with your spouse |
| 21:22.49 | Sabriath | it's not just another 15 bucks....you have to have another box, another game, a multicaster, kvm switch, etc. etc. |
| 21:22.52 | Nechckn | or.... someone else. Not that I'd recommend it. |
| 21:22.57 | RockSlice | that's correct, SNiLD |
| 21:23.05 | Nechckn | Not just to have a bank alt, Sabriath |
| 21:23.28 | Nechckn | send stuff, log out, log in, pick up stuff and place in bank |
| 21:23.28 | Sabriath | but i said multiboxing, thought you meant on that |
| 21:23.33 | SNiLD | wouldn't 10g IQR mean that the ... oh yeah i misinterpreted |
| 21:23.43 | Nechckn | I was talking about bank alts, throughout |
| 21:23.46 | SNiLD | it's not IQR median :S |
| 21:24.00 | Sabriath | yeah, i realized that |
| 21:24.04 | RockSlice | there's no such thing as IQR median |
| 21:24.21 | Sabriath | yes there is, it's in the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQR |
| 21:24.28 | SNiLD | http://forums.norganna.org/discussion/1347/statistics-for-dummies-like-me/ |
| 21:24.32 | SNiLD | even that says IQR median |
| 21:25.02 | RockSlice | i can't find "IQR median" on that wikipedia page |
| 21:25.31 | Sabriath | sorry, meant to put the one snild did |
| 21:25.50 | Sabriath | but the wiki does show it is the median of the quartile median, which makes it an IQR median |
| 21:25.54 | RockSlice | wow. hadn't read that |
| 21:26.16 | RockSlice | the person who wrote that post doesn't know his statistics |
| 21:26.17 | Sabriath | the IQR is 2 values....the median is the middle value of the dataset |
| 21:26.38 | RockSlice | no, the IQR is the distance between the Q1 and Q3 points |
| 21:27.02 | Sabriath | it made it pretty clear, the wiki even says it....IQR is "the interquartile range" <-- range keyword |
| 21:27.02 | Nechckn | Further in, it gets corrected, afaict, RockSlice |
| 21:27.07 | Sabriath | range means 2 or more numbers |
| 21:27.13 | Sabriath | so IQR is the outside values |
| 21:27.24 | Sabriath | while the IQR median is the middle of the dataset contained within the IQR |
| 21:27.40 | Sabriath | the wiki backs that up |
| 21:29.50 | RockSlice | "IQR Median" is an improper name |
| 21:29.53 | Nechckn | **not everything on the 'net is 100% true, only linked for the general "what is IQR" question. It could be.. or not. There are likely much better sources. |
| 21:29.59 | RockSlice | "Normalized median" would be waaaay better |
| 21:30.47 | RockSlice | I'm going to fix that sticky |
| 21:31.41 | Nechckn | RockSlice since the sticky is talking about it for a totally different module- why not make a new post and sticky that. |
| 21:31.59 | Sabriath | so what is the value given by the IQR...the range, or the median from histogram? |
| 21:32.11 | RockSlice | the range |
| 21:32.26 | SNiLD | so the closer to 0 the better |
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| 21:32.30 | RockSlice | right |
| 21:32.36 | RockSlice | good idea, Nechckn |
| 21:32.59 | Nechckn | That also goes into the stat request for the wiki =) |
| 21:34.10 | Nechckn | For the technical subsection, could really use something from you or Shirik|Ecole going into the formulas just a bit. |
| 21:35.09 | Nechckn | We have the general descriptions in a few places- but the technical bits could really, really use a post. |
| 21:35.40 | Sabriath | is the IQR evaluated by the day, or is it a continuous motion algorithm? |
| 21:36.06 | SNiLD | btw. http://flickr.com/photos/26810211@N06/2921978491/ |
| 21:36.16 | RockSlice | IQR is over the total data set |
| 21:36.20 | SNiLD | that's what's happening to gems ;) |
| 21:36.46 | SNiLD | is all of the data kept? |
| 21:36.58 | Sabriath | snild, nice flikr |
| 21:37.01 | SNiLD | so scans from months away are still in effect? |
| 21:37.02 | Sabriath | that made me really lol |
| 21:38.54 | mattbnr | as far as i know histogram has no limit on the amount of info it keeps |
| 21:39.26 | RockSlice | Histogram keeps all data, and has no limit on the amount of info it keeps |
| 21:39.30 | SNiLD | so tbc prices are going to poison my wotlk prices badly for long time? :P |
| 21:39.34 | RockSlice | yes |
| 21:39.45 | RockSlice | which is why I'll be clearing my Histogram data |
| 21:39.47 | Sabriath | wait wait...histogram keeps all prices? |
| 21:39.51 | Sabriath | seriously? |
| 21:39.53 | RockSlice | yup |
| 21:40.20 | Sabriath | and it figures the IQR out of the entire dataset? yet the market moves up and down |
| 21:40.24 | SNiLD | that enables some nice market trend analysis possibilities though! ;) |
| 21:40.34 | RockSlice | it does it by losing a bit of precision, and storing them as x # of auctions seen in price range y |
| 21:40.36 | Sabriath | how are you seriously going to take the IQR knowing it doesn't move up and down with the days |
| 21:41.30 | SNiLD | there is no module that would show you short-term prices |
| 21:41.33 | SNiLD | or market trends |
| 21:41.45 | RockSlice | simple shows short-term trends |
| 21:41.45 | Sabriath | if you had a moving IQR you could |
| 21:42.03 | RockSlice | what are you talking about with a "moving IQR"? |
| 21:42.03 | Sabriath | and my MBO that i put into auc-stat-simple has a better trend on the market by the days better than a steady IQR |
| 21:42.35 | RockSlice | IQR isn't an idicator of price. it's an indicator of how precise the median is |
| 21:42.36 | Sabriath | yes...moving IQR....as in yesterday's IQR was a range of 3-8....today's is 4-10....that's a change from 5 to 6 |
| 21:43.06 | Sabriath | but all IQR sees is yesterday's 3 and 8 and today's 4 and 10....meaning 3-10...7 |
| 21:43.26 | RockSlice | on 99.9% of items, there isn't enough data to give an IQR on a daily basis anyway |
| 21:43.55 | Nechckn | Good point, RockSlice - of all the items, only a handful are really popular |
| 21:44.32 | Sabriath | hence why the moving avg mbo was created |
| 21:44.34 | RockSlice | and, IMO, daily fluctuations should be ignored when figuring out a "worth" of an item |
| 21:45.11 | RockSlice | part of why I wrote Histogram. I thought Simple and StdDev were too easily swayed by short-term shifts in the market |
| 21:45.15 | Sabriath | the "worth" of an item is not realistic considering people purchase an item based on cheapest, not by "oh look, he's selling averagely, i'll buy his" |
| 21:45.37 | Nechckn | Much of that depending on the specific servver/faction, too - for most pricing Market is the way to go, it takes all of the stats into account. |
| 21:45.53 | RockSlice | but if you know you can get 50g for an item, and people are posting at 30g now, you know to hang onto it |
| 21:45.54 | Sabriath | the average mbo doesn't sway too much after a week |
| 21:45.57 | Nechckn | if you want fast moving, then use simple- all of the rest are "slower" to react |
| 21:46.33 | Sabriath | if a price shifts more than 10% off it's previous average, it gets reduced to change by almost 80% |
| 21:46.37 | RockSlice | because you could post at 29g now, but that would be an 11g "loss" |
| 21:47.05 | SNiLD | how do i tell the resale module to use simple? |
| 21:47.25 | RockSlice | use simple as your appraiser stat |
| 21:47.26 | Sabriath | i didn't say total min buyout...i said average....if you've been selling for 50g, and suddenly it's at 30g, 50-30 is 20, 20/50 is 40%, the change would reduce it to only 45g |
| 21:47.28 | Sabriath | MAYBE |
| 21:47.31 | Nechckn | It's based off of your Appraiser statistics |
| 21:47.44 | Nechckn | so use Simple as the primary in the APPR settings |
| 21:48.27 | RockSlice | i fail to see how you managed to get 45g out of that... |
| 21:50.04 | RockSlice | long story short: if you don't like the way histogram works, don't use it |
| 21:50.30 | RockSlice | I wrote it with my needs in mind, and shared it with people, as I thought they could use it as well |
| 21:50.47 | Nechckn | Current market price - http://wiki.norganna.org/Market_Price |
| 21:50.48 | mattbnr | its my main pricing model |
| 21:50.59 | SNiLD | it's good to have different pricing models and the ability to change between them |
| 21:51.02 | mattbnr | my market is messed up and wont calculate some prices |
| 21:51.28 | Nechckn | SNiLD that is one of the main things with AucAdvanced, rather than being stuck with a couple. |
| 21:51.30 | mattbnr | but i now see that on my histogram as well |
| 21:51.43 | mattbnr | that one giant negative number |
| 21:51.59 | Nechckn | SNiLD the whole modular thing strikes again! =) |
| 21:52.12 | SNiLD | yep |
| 21:54.16 | Sabriath | omg, my wife and kids are getting on my nerves |
| 21:56.54 | Sabriath | ok, as i was trying to say earlier..... |
| 21:57.20 | Sabriath | if you scanned on the first and it had a mininum buyout of 50g, then on the second 50g, and so on for 7 days, you'd have an avg mbo of 50g |
| 21:57.43 | Sabriath | if it dropped to 30g, then (30+50*6)/7 = 47g |
| 21:57.48 | Sabriath | not much of a change of mbo |
| 21:58.05 | Sabriath | it follows a market, shows that the 30g piece is being undersold |
| 21:59.01 | Sabriath | tomorrow it it were 50g again, the 47 raises up to say 49, that 50g now looks expensive, sell at 49 the one you bought and maybe one you got today, you lose MAYBE 2g, but you gained 19g off the item reselling (minus ah fee of course) |
| 21:59.01 | mattbnr | mine too |
| 21:59.29 | Sabriath | this is why i created the avg mbo motion |
| 21:59.30 | mattbnr | so you shoudl jsut sell stuff for what ever you want and eventually they will sell is what you are saying? |
| 22:00.07 | Sabriath | no...i am trying to explain that the avg mbo was created to follow a daily trend...i even put in the help file that if the mbo was < the avg mbo then it's time to buy |
| 22:00.14 | Sabriath | and if the mbo is > the avg mbo, it's time to sell |
| 22:00.22 | mattbnr | i like beancount approach. it bases your prices off your success and fails |
| 22:00.51 | Sabriath | i was gearing those comments toward rockslice as well |
| 22:01.05 | SNiLD | neither of these modules track the day of week btw? |
| 22:01.59 | SNiLD | it would increase the size of the dataset * 7... but i can tell you that saturday price != wednesday price ;) |
| 22:02.01 | Sabriath | that would be nice to track day of week, but holidays would be hell |
| 22:02.15 | Sabriath | it would throw your datasets off |
| 22:02.25 | SNiLD | it would |
| 22:02.38 | SNiLD | and how could you define holiday :P |
| 22:02.43 | SNiLD | it's not the same everywhere |
| 22:02.45 | Sabriath | true |
| 22:02.52 | Sabriath | but you can't keep track of school closings either |
| 22:04.05 | Sabriath | it's near impossible to build a mod that will tell you the highest price an item will sell for...that's like trying to build a mod that tells you which stocks to buy and sell |
| 22:04.37 | Sabriath | but, i think the mods in place should be a good estimate |
| 22:04.39 | SNiLD | people don't use their stocks after they've bought them |
| 22:04.45 | mattbnr | they really need to add the ebay bidding feature on here |
| 22:04.46 | SNiLD | stocks don't "disappear" |
| 22:04.59 | Sabriath | which ebay bidding feature? |
| 22:05.21 | SNiLD | !ebay gold plx |
| 22:05.28 | Sabriath | snild, the ah works almost identical to stock markets |
| 22:05.39 | Sabriath | the stocks don't disappear, but the volume goes up and down |
| 22:05.40 | SNiLD | no it doesn't |
| 22:05.56 | Nechckn | That was investigated, at one point and Ebay was not interested since there are "paid" programs that do the same thing. |
| 22:05.57 | Sabriath | you could have a 100 share day with a company, you could have a million share day |
| 22:06.12 | Sabriath | that's the same as a staff of jordan 1 selling for 1000g, and 10 selling for 300g each |
| 22:06.18 | mattbnr | i mean jsut the ability to add a max bid price |
| 22:06.33 | mattbnr | like i want to bid up to 100g for this item then it does like ebay and auto bids for you |
| 22:06.42 | Sabriath | yeah, that would be nice matt |
| 22:06.53 | Sabriath | it's called a cruise bid |
| 22:07.00 | Nechckn | They push folks to buyout... I think it's to keep the AHes a bit smaller |
| 22:07.05 | Sabriath | you set it and it cruises |
| 22:07.08 | SNiLD | the difference is that once the user uses the staff of jordan that individual item won't come back to the market, ever |
| 22:07.28 | Sabriath | not that particular staff of jordan, no...but the game "creates" more |
| 22:07.47 | Sabriath | stocks aren't "created" either....but the volume is dam near similar |
| 22:08.02 | Sabriath | yes, i know stocks are created in a sense, but that's different |
| 22:08.04 | SNiLD | volume depends on how much people play particular levels |
| 22:08.06 | Sabriath | stock splitting |
| 22:08.43 | Sabriath | i stand by my words, stocks are near the same as ah market |
| 22:09.06 | SNiLD | i wouldn't use auctioneer to buy stocks ;) |
| 22:09.21 | mattbnr | i would just close my eyes and pick |
| 22:09.23 | Nechckn | There are all sorts of systems that use much the same calculations to determine recommendations for stocks, commodities, etc. |
| 22:09.38 | Sabriath | well...at the moment the economy sucks |
| 22:09.43 | Nechckn | s/much/many of/ |
| 22:09.53 | Nechckn | Sabriath this is the time to buy, buy, buy |
| 22:09.59 | Nechckn | well, not quite yet- soon |
| 22:10.01 | Sabriath | hell no |
| 22:10.09 | Sabriath | after we go into a depression maybe |
| 22:10.28 | Sabriath | but right now the companies are drowning |
| 22:10.40 | SNiLD | you from the US? |
| 22:10.47 | Sabriath | profits dropping, the gap between the poor and rich got too wide, now the poor can't afford the rich price set |
| 22:10.50 | Sabriath | yes |
| 22:11.25 | Nechckn | Look at Iceland... Germany, um... Russia, England. All of the markets are down. |
| 22:11.27 | Sabriath | the people have yet to realize you must stay within certain boundaries between the people who purchase stuff and the people who live off those purchases |
| 22:12.03 | mattbnr | yeah the global market ahs crashed |
| 22:12.11 | mattbnr | all the markets are down like 500+ points |
| 22:12.25 | Sabriath | exactly, it's crashing and we're going to depress |
| 22:12.35 | Nechckn | It's already a depression |
| 22:12.42 | Sabriath | not quite, i'm still making some money |
| 22:12.47 | Nechckn | surpassed recession a while ago |
| 22:12.59 | SNiLD | Sabriath using auctioneer for real life stock market? ;D |
| 22:12.59 | Nechckn | well, the "usual" indicators anyway |
| 22:13.11 | Sabriath | it's like having a losing hand and trying to buy an empty pot back |
| 22:13.13 | SNiLD | searching for stuff to vendor etc :P |
| 22:13.38 | Sabriath | the president is refusing to fold this hand, costing us loads |
| 22:14.07 | Sabriath | but, i gotta go...dinner is ready and my wife has pissed me off to the point of murder...well...i won't do it, but you get the point |
| 22:14.37 | Nechckn | wife>here>WoW |
| 22:14.43 | SNiLD | speaking of which: http://s.naurunappula.com/0/188/383/390914.jpg |
| 22:15.20 | Nechckn | Not just him... but no help, that is for sure. |
| 22:15.58 | Nechckn | I swear if anyone decides to send more $300 dollar checks to every person in the country, I'll start raiding mailboxes and burning checks. |
| 22:16.03 | Nechckn | How frikin' stupid |
| 22:16.20 | SNiLD | who suggested that? |
| 22:16.48 | SNiLD | i live in finland so i don't really know what's going in the US under the hood :P |
| 22:16.50 | Nechckn | um... the guy in the pic TWICE |
| 22:17.11 | Nechckn | there was a surplus, so they did it once a couple years ago |
| 22:17.13 | SNiLD | lol he accidentally the whole economy TWICE? :S |
| 22:18.05 | Nechckn | then, the economy started to go down, so even more $$ was borrowed to send another set to every person, rather than refunding part of your income taxes. |
| 22:18.34 | Nechckn | first time was a tax refund of XX amount, second time was a set amount for every person in the country |
| 22:19.49 | mattbnr | i liked that check i used it for... i dont remember |
| 22:20.21 | Nechckn | It's just madening.. then the debate last night between the 2 contenders was- not good. No real plans to help either the economy or the people dying in the world who can be immediately helped. Like the folks in Iraq, the Darfur region of Sudan, etc... |
| 22:21.01 | Nechckn | They keep saying- Oh WW2 had attrocities, never again! we must support Israel. I totally agree- but the same damn thing is happening elsewhere- now. |
| 22:21.30 | Nechckn | Okay.. sorry.. no more of that, but damn, it's crazy. |
| 22:25.02 | mattbnr | lol go go go |
| 22:25.58 | RockSlice | I loled when both candidates said they thought it was possible for the economy not to get worse before it got better |
| 22:26.37 | RockSlice | it's like turning a freight train around. it doesn't reverse directions just because you tell it to |
| 22:27.08 | mattbnr | lol yeah |
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| 22:27.25 | mattbnr | ugh what causes those huge negative numbers im seeing ? |
| 22:27.35 | RockSlice | if this bailout does work, the soonest we can expect "the worst" is about a year from now |
| 22:27.43 | RockSlice | screenshot, mattbnr? |
| 22:27.49 | mattbnr | one sec |
| 22:28.09 | mattbnr | http://up.norganna.org/index.php/vqyXIlh/WoWScrnShot_100808_172724.jpg there you go |
| 22:28.32 | mattbnr | it seems to be a recent problem i had it last week too but i switched to histogram from market and it went away but now its back |
| 22:29.17 | ^nbot | NorgWiki 03AucAdvanced/FAQ 10Nechckn: Added Auc-Stat-Histogram information http://wiki.norganna.org/AucAdvanced/FAQ |
| 22:29.37 | SNiLD | how come the item link seems weird? |
| 22:31.00 | RockSlice | please do: /run AucAdvanced.Print(AucAdvanced.API.GetMarketValue(select(2,GetItemInfo(1820)))) |
| 22:31.25 | RockSlice | actually: /run AucAdvanced.Print(tostring(AucAdvanced.API.GetMarketValue(select(2,GetItemInfo(1820))))) |
| 22:32.12 | RockSlice | my guess is PriceLevel is freaking out about a price of 0 |
| 22:32.14 | mattbnr | http://norganna.pastey.net/97777 |
| 22:33.02 | RockSlice | use the first script then |
| 22:33.22 | mattbnr | ok |
| 22:33.39 | mattbnr | nothing happened |
| 22:34.05 | RockSlice | do you use market as your price basis for PriceLevel? |
| 22:34.15 | mattbnr | umm i think so |
| 22:34.29 | mattbnr | no appraiser |
| 22:35.38 | RockSlice | and appraiser's default and backup stats? |
| 22:37.47 | mattbnr | default and backup? pricing models? |
| 22:38.23 | RockSlice | what does Appraiser use for pricing |
| 22:39.08 | mattbnr | oh histogram as main and simple as secondary |
| 22:39.36 | RockSlice | what prices do they show in the tooltip for that item? |
| 22:41.36 | mattbnr | no matches in database |
| 22:43.22 | RockSlice | something funky is going on, but as it only effects unseen items, I'm not too concerned |
| 22:43.37 | mattbnr | lol |
| 22:43.48 | RockSlice | i stand by my guess that the calculations in PriceLevel don't like a price of 0 |
| 22:44.41 | mattbnr | http://up.norganna.org/index.php/vBuICq1/WoWScrnShot_100808_174354.jpg this one says it has 1 in image |
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| 23:36.15 | ^nbot | New Feature 03ADV-318 10colaFRank: --- New module suggestion: Logging specific WTS's (and WTB's)06 (04Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-318 10colaFRank: I would like to add that it just sprang to mind this mod ... |
| 23:37.15 | ^nbot | New Feature 03ADV-318 10colaFRank: --- New module suggestion: Logging specific WTS's06 (04Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-318 10colaFRank: I would like to add that it just sprang to mind this mod ... |
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| 23:44.00 | Udub | hi all, I wonder how you can make a profit by using the new enchant mats evaluator. |
| 23:44.30 | Udub | I mean, what are you supposed to do with the items you buy via the enchant mats evaluator. |
| 23:44.40 | mattbnr | i have no idea =either |
| 23:44.50 | Udub | hi matt |
| 23:44.56 | mattbnr | think of it as a snatch list for enchanters |
| 23:45.11 | Udub | hm |
| 23:45.14 | mattbnr | like i need this this and this for a enchant so you set those to 100% and all the rest to 0% |
| 23:47.39 | Udub | thanks, how did the curse client turn out for you btw? |
| 23:48.18 | Udub | cause that's where our convo ended last time :D |
| 23:50.35 | mattbnr | oh its working...i think |
| 23:50.43 | mattbnr | i have about 3 different updaters maybe 4 |
| 23:51.07 | Udub | Didn't it downgrade some stuff for you? |
| 23:51.08 | mattbnr | curse,wowmatirx,jwowaceupdater, and wowui updater |
| 23:51.13 | mattbnr | not that i can see |
| 23:51.51 | Udub | for me it did for example you have beta versions from march this year to now and a release in february it will pick the feb release |
| 23:52.17 | Udub | as long as you can't set it to work with betas or even alphas I'm not jumping on the boat hehe |
| 23:53.15 | mattbnr | as long as my stuff works i dont care in about a month all the addosn are gonan break so ill redo my entire addon folder |
| 23:53.28 | Udub | true enough |
| 23:57.23 | mattbnr | i might jsut use the mazzle ui |
| 23:57.41 | mattbnr | i tried it once before but my video card was shit and wasnt displaying stuff right |
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| 23:58.35 | Udub | never liked packages I like to be in control more hehe |
| 23:59.09 | Udub | matt, I just wonder where the profit amount comes from ACER uses when displaying items with the enchant mats evaluator |
