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| 01:40.15 | Udub | Hello people |
| 01:40.23 | Anaral | Allo |
| 01:42.54 | Udub | I am trying to make a Bottomscanner profile to buy my own auctions from the other faction - Nikk told me to come here - is it possible for anyone to go over the settings so I can see what I am doing wrong? Some auctions refuse to be picked up like gems for example. |
| 01:45.07 | Anaral | If you can wait a bit, I'm sure someone will be able to help more than me. I apologize that I can't help, I've only just begun working with btmscn. |
| 01:45.11 | Nechckn | Hi there Udub- I'm a bit busy atm... if someone else doesn't get to helping you, I'll be happy to. |
| 01:45.33 | Nechckn | but it will be about 10 mins or so =) |
| 01:46.10 | Udub | np Anaral - Hi Nikk, it's no problem for me to wait 10 mins :) |
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| 01:57.51 | Nechckn | Ok... so you are looking to do what with the profile? |
| 01:58.00 | Nechckn | see everything? |
| 01:58.13 | Nechckn | or only certain goodies? |
| 01:58.14 | Udub | I would use the profile to buy my own auctions from the other faction via the neutral ah |
| 01:58.21 | Udub | basically everything |
| 01:58.24 | Nechckn | ok |
| 01:58.39 | Nechckn | Have you seen the "snatch" section? |
| 01:58.50 | Udub | yes, and it's disabled |
| 01:58.52 | Nechckn | that may be the very best thing to be certain you get the items you put up |
| 01:59.05 | Udub | ah that might explain :) |
| 01:59.32 | Nechckn | on the receiver you would enter the items with a tiny price- then start running BTMS and as soon as they were spotted, you'd be prompted to buy 'em |
| 02:00.09 | Udub | oh ok, so I just get lootlink or something like that and edit it like that |
| 02:00.26 | Nechckn | yep... |
| 02:00.38 | Nechckn | one sec, I'll get you the command to add things via text |
| 02:00.56 | Udub | nice one, thank you |
| 02:04.41 | Nechckn | Ok so here you go, pretty easy /btm snatch <itemlink> <copper_count> |
| 02:04.53 | Nechckn | so use your linkerator or lootlink to get the link |
| 02:05.13 | Udub | and copper count being the max it should be put up for right? |
| 02:06.06 | Nechckn | then just enter /btm snatch [big bad gem] 1 [count] Sorry, need count, too |
| 02:06.43 | Nechckn | that way any of those Big Bad Gem s that come up, will be tried to be boughtout as soon as BTMS sees them |
| 02:07.19 | Nechckn | then just enter /btm snatch [big bad gem] 1 [1] That should work |
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| 02:07.51 | Nechckn | the nice thing is that the snatch list can be edited alot easier now... there is a gui to add and remove- but only if you have the item to pop into the box |
| 02:08.21 | Udub | Ah ok so 5 copper is 5 [5] and so on |
| 02:08.38 | Nechckn | Core Options, Evaluators, Snatch then press the "Edit" button |
| 02:08.54 | Udub | yep I am looking at it right now :) |
| 02:08.57 | Nechckn | close.. but not quite.. sorry, bad example |
| 02:09.17 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.37 | Udub | ah good I asked :) |
| 02:10.02 | Nechckn | so... you could go with /btm snatch [Big Bad Gem] 1 [10] that is if you are putting up 10 of them =) |
| 02:10.12 | Udub | in one session right? |
| 02:10.19 | Udub | So it resets when I log off |
| 02:10.43 | Nechckn | obviously, we recommend that folks transfering items on the N-AH always use some bigger value- to sort of protect against the "NAH Banditos" |
| 02:11.18 | Nechckn | I mean, if you are moving a stack of gems worth 100g, putting them up for 50g will make them that much less desirable |
| 02:11.25 | Udub | and gold is expressed in copper too right? |
| 02:11.33 | Nechckn | then just post a pick for 50g and have the original character buy that |
| 02:11.39 | Nechckn | you get the idea |
| 02:11.47 | Nechckn | Yes.. it's all in copper |
| 02:12.19 | Udub | one thing I have a doubt for also: I have in general the reserve amount set to 1c, not sure what I am doing there |
| 02:12.39 | Nechckn | The reserve is sort of a left over.. but it still has use |
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| 02:13.02 | Nechckn | it's from back when BTMS could actively buy items on its own.. that was how it knew to stop |
| 02:13.13 | Nechckn | but that was back in WoW 1.X when that was allowed |
| 02:13.44 | Udub | Ah I see. I know they found a way around it now, with autohotkey being able to auto click :( |
| 02:14.00 | Nechckn | Now... it helps you to watch your money.. so say you have 1K in gold... put the reserve at 100g that way you won't ever go below 100 when in a buying frenzy with BTMS |
| 02:14.35 | Udub | Ok now I see :) always wondered what that was about |
| 02:14.38 | Nechckn | Yeah... there are a few programs out there to automate things- obviously they make us into Sad Pandas |
| 02:15.14 | Nechckn | because- eventhough Auctioneer is even seen by some to be "cheating" it only helps automate what you could do sitting there with a spread sheet |
| 02:15.27 | Udub | Yea it's the same thing those 5boxing shammies use in bgs you always see |
| 02:15.58 | Nechckn | we agree that folks should be at the game, actively playing and not relying on things like "Glider" et cetera |
| 02:16.39 | Nechckn | Well... I can see Blizz's differentiating between botters and multi-boxing- because it still takes a person sitting there controlling them |
| 02:17.20 | Nechckn | and if you do something to hinder even 1 of them, say "root" them- then the multi-boxer's strategy gets sort of mucked up |
| 02:17.50 | Nechckn | it's not that much different than if you would have 1 alliance character on your laptop and a second on your desktop |
| 02:17.59 | Udub | the weird thing is - I was the victim of a neutral ah botter, always afk marked not replying, I contacted a GM and he was sorta like, well he could have manually bought your auction |
| 02:18.08 | Nechckn | It still takes a person sitting there running things |
| 02:18.10 | Udub | within 1 s? |
| 02:18.41 | Anaral | And yes, within 1s. Clicking is quick. ;) |
| 02:18.55 | Nechckn | Yeah... that's a tough thing to figure out- *but* rest assured that Blizz keeps copious logs and could really tell the difference |
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| 02:19.42 | Udub | so Nikk - just having the snatch evaluator configured in the right way should do the trick? anything more I should know about? |
| 02:19.47 | Nechckn | should be able to, that is... I mean, I feel for you myself- but it is sort of true that someone could have intercepted your stuff by accident. People sitting there is another thing |
| 02:20.21 | Nechckn | Nah... that should do what you are looking to do- that, to me, is the best setup since you know what you will be sending and all |
| 02:20.38 | Nechckn | make sure your refresh is set to the minimum |
| 02:20.46 | Udub | Just can't wait to see the friend no longer exists message :) |
| 02:20.52 | Udub | refresh is 1s :) |
| 02:20.57 | Nechckn | and... that's really it. |
| 02:21.41 | Nechckn | oh.. the other thing is to be sure, for this profile, that Filtering is all off |
| 02:22.00 | Nechckn | you dont want to have any items filtered out- seeing as how 1 or 2 or 30 of them could be yours! |
| 02:22.21 | Udub | I just had ignoreitemquality on - filtering out poor |
| 02:22.34 | Nechckn | You can leave all the checkboxes set or whatever except for the top box Ok, that works |
| 02:22.48 | Nechckn | since you know your goodies will be better than poor =) |
| 02:23.13 | Nechckn | Most importantly, check your setup to be sure |
| 02:23.43 | Nechckn | I'm going by what I think should work the best, and it should- but test it with some lesser item first just to ensure it's all set and working |
| 02:24.11 | Udub | yea, I will test it with some cheap guinea pigs before I roll through valuable stuff |
| 02:24.32 | Nechckn | and- remember to put some sort of price on these things- that is the #1 way to get your goodies grabbed- is by having them up for 1c or whatever |
| 02:25.23 | Udub | maybe I'll go max 10g for an epic gem, think that will do it |
| 02:25.32 | Nechckn | we set BTMS to 1c since we want all the prices to be OK and not ignored OHHH hold up |
| 02:25.51 | Nechckn | that snatch price setting is the Max that you will be notified- not the minimum |
| 02:25.58 | Nechckn | is glad he noticed |
| 02:26.21 | Nechckn | so set that sucker for 500000000c or something, not 1 |
| 02:26.34 | Udub | good to know :) |
| 02:26.37 | Nechckn | well, whatever max you think is reasonable |
| 02:26.56 | Nechckn | you dont' want to mistakenly grab someone else's auction that they have up for some crazy price |
| 02:27.22 | Udub | yea I am thinking of going with 10g to keep it reasonable with the fees |
| 02:27.27 | Nechckn | Wow... almost, glad I caught you! heheheh |
| 02:27.37 | Udub | :-) |
| 02:28.08 | Nechckn | That works- cause almost every "gold guide" says look for stuff at the N-AH since folks use that to transfer thingies |
| 02:28.44 | Nechckn | Now... we even had one of our team talk to a GM who confirmed that Blizz is ok with transfering items between your own characters..... |
| 02:29.00 | Udub | they are - I am sure |
| 02:29.11 | Nechckn | so why they don't just let you send them from a "Neutral Mailbox, with higher fees" is really, really beyond me |
| 02:29.45 | Nechckn | But- with your setup, you should be good to go or as good to go as we can get it. |
| 02:30.19 | Udub | Loads of stuff is beyond me in WoW :) but it's getting better like less trash, not as harsh respawn timers and so on |
| 02:31.01 | Anaral | Harsh Respawn timers have all awaiting you in Wrath |
| 02:31.31 | Nechckn | Indeed... I miss some of the difficulty early on- but, as Anaral says, surely they'll be awaiting us, at least for a while, in the expansion |
| 02:31.32 | Udub | hm,they seem to intend to design faster instances, less hardcore |
| 02:31.52 | Udub | I miss a lot of stuff from early wow days :) |
| 02:32.09 | Udub | naxxramas 2 ftw |
| 02:32.14 | Nechckn | yeah... it's one of those you win some, you lose some things |
| 02:32.22 | Anaral | Yeah but quest areas are still going to be a nightmare for the first two months. |
| 02:32.55 | Avais | If you're well geared, skip the starting areas. |
| 02:32.56 | Nechckn | yep... quite true Anaral. About the nices thing is that you can easily find parties for instances at that time |
| 02:33.13 | Anaral | Aye |
| 02:33.21 | Avais | When BC launched, I skipped HFP and went straight for Zangarmarsh. |
| 02:33.29 | Nechckn | ok.. gotta bolt. Yell if tat works and all, Udub =) |
| 02:33.36 | Anaral | I'll probably just go herbing |
| 02:33.41 | Nechckn | s/tat/that/ |
| 02:33.42 | Udub | thanks a lot Nikk - will certainly do |
| 02:33.53 | Udub | really appreciate the help :) |
| 02:34.02 | Nechckn | Cool, we are happy to help, when we are here. |
| 02:34.18 | Anaral | None of my toons have done HFP at lvl. |
| 02:34.21 | Udub | certainly lifted the mysterious veil of auctioneer |
| 02:35.15 | Udub | I think I have read they are going to introduce non-linearity earlier on in wrath , compâred with tbc |
| 02:40.54 | Nechckn | Oh.. a quick note, too... Since you are into BTMS, be sure to check out SearchUI and its RealTimeScanning which will soon include all of BTMS functionality- and more. |
| 02:41.23 | Nechckn | not only for your transfer- but for looking for deals on the regular AH, too. |
| 02:41.52 | Udub | Yea I have noticed the feature in the latest build but I am not sure what it really does, didn't find much info about it |
| 02:41.59 | Nechckn | look at the notes on the main http://AuctioneerAddOn.Com page for how it workds |
| 02:42.09 | Nechckn | s/workds/works/ |
| 02:42.52 | Nechckn | That gives a basic overview- the final thing being added is a full gui Snatch list- adding and removing =) |
| 02:43.09 | Nechckn | so, it's something to watch for- but be sure to check it out. |
| 02:43.13 | Udub | Wow nice one :) |
| 02:43.22 | Nechckn | Now, I am going.. for real!! maybe, kinda sorta... |
| 02:43.26 | Nechckn | ./Wave |
| 02:43.41 | Udub | Good night Nikk, thanks again :) |
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| 02:56.50 | zman | anyone on that can assist with a question pretaining to bottom scaner |
| 02:58.27 | Guest48047 | in BtmScan, it seems to price items against the median average cost when it figures out if there if potential profit to be mad |
| 02:58.32 | Guest48047 | made* |
| 02:59.13 | Guest48047 | However the current item price is almost always far less then this value. So while BtmScan thinks its found a deal... |
| 02:59.38 | Guest48047 | it really hasnt, so basicly how do u get around this issue? |
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| 03:01.17 | ^nbot | Bug 03ETT-27 10kandoko: Tooltip.lua line 1903: attempt to index field 'SideIcon' (a nil value) 06 (Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ETT-27 |
| 03:04.09 | Guest48047 | In BtmScan, it prices items against the buyout median for that item, when it figures out if there if potential profit to be made. However the 201cSuggested item price201d is almost always far less then this value. So while BtmScan thinks it2019s found a deal it really hasn2019t. How do you get BtmScan to use the suggested price, instead of the buy-out median, since the buy-out median is so inflated? |
| 03:06.18 | Nechckn | with Classic? |
| 03:06.22 | Guest48047 | nah |
| 03:06.48 | Guest48047 | this is auc advanced |
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| 03:07.49 | Nechckn | Ok.. because with Advanced, if you go into the BTMS options- that is where you set the pricing options. With which evaluator are you BottomScanning? |
| 03:08.02 | Guest48047 | auctioneer v5.0.pre.3117 |
| 03:08.27 | Nechckn | ok.. first, you are really out of date, so you need to update your installation. |
| 03:08.38 | Guest48047 | oh yea? |
| 03:08.40 | Nechckn | but, my first question remains.. which evaluator? |
| 03:08.52 | Nechckn | 3262 is the current |
| 03:08.56 | Guest48047 | well im using ematsconvert, resale |
| 03:09.04 | Nechckn | you are almost 150 versions behind. =) |
| 03:09.35 | Guest48047 | well let me download it and install, one sec |
| 03:10.56 | Nechckn | Ok.. reason why I ask is that Emats convert and the Appraiser Evaluator allow much more fine-tuning of pricing |
| 03:12.38 | Guest48047 | im installing it now |
| 03:13.15 | Nechckn | then you can work back and pick other stats under the main Auctioneer/Appraiser settings |
| 03:13.29 | zman | ive never used appraiser |
| 03:13.48 | Nechckn | Ok.. you said you were using Advanced... |
| 03:14.12 | Nechckn | hmm.. lemme see if I can dig up something for Auc Classic |
| 03:15.34 | Guest9474 | this is odd, i downloaded the new version, extracted it and all that, and yet it still is using the older version |
| 03:16.10 | Nechckn | Are you downloading from http://AuctioneerAddOn.Com/dl ? |
| 03:16.29 | Guest9474 | http://www.auctioneeraddon.com/dl/?dl=Packages/AuctioneerAdvancedSuite-5.0.PRE.3262.zip |
| 03:17.09 | Nechckn | did you close the game, delete your old files, then install the new version? |
| 03:18.17 | Nechckn | I just checked the download by downloading and extracting and it's the 3262 version in the d/l |
| 03:18.17 | Guest9474 | i can delete the addon folder and the wtf folder and just re install my other mods later, i want to get this working |
| 03:19.13 | Nechckn | How do you post auctions without using Appraiser? |
| 03:19.35 | Guest9474 | i do full AH scans twice a day |
| 03:19.41 | Guest9474 | and i use the suggested price |
| 03:20.00 | Nechckn | if you are using Advanced... that's what I'm not understanding- or do you mean you have not used the Appraiser Evaluator for BTMS? |
| 03:20.05 | Guest9474 | i dont post like 30 stacks or fel iron at once, never really needed to do batch postings |
| 03:20.36 | Nechckn | Right... I don't batch post or anything- but the default post frame is no longer modified if you are using Advanced |
| 03:20.44 | Nechckn | so there are no prices filled in or anything |
| 03:20.58 | Nechckn | Do you mean that you manually enter each price based on the tooltip info? |
| 03:22.02 | Guest9474 | it fills the price in for me, usally 5% less then what its currently going for, and then i click post |
| 03:22.22 | Nechckn | On what Auctionhouse tab? |
| 03:22.47 | Nechckn | what does it say at the bottom when you click it- Appraiser or Post |
| 03:23.07 | Guest9474 | let me check |
| 03:23.42 | Nechckn | Just trying to figure out what version you are using- you could be using "full"- but this all affects what is available to you for BTMS and more. |
| 03:23.57 | Guest9474 | it says "auctions" |
| 03:24.10 | Guest9474 | i jsut deleted my addons, and installed the newest version of auc |
| 03:24.38 | Guest9474 | so theres no issues of what im using, its the 3262 version |
| 03:26.29 | Nechckn | Ok.. now, you can still use the Appraisal Pricing for BTMS then |
| 03:26.44 | Nechckn | even if you don't actively use the Appraiser Frame to post |
| 03:26.46 | Guest9474 | yes |
| 03:27.01 | Guest9474 | im running a scan as we type |
| 03:27.11 | Nechckn | click on that frame- then click Configure up at the top |
| 03:27.23 | Guest9474 | ok |
| 03:27.30 | Nechckn | The Util Modules, Appraiser |
| 03:27.44 | Guest9474 | yup |
| 03:27.47 | Nechckn | now, in there, choose what pricing model or "statistic" you wouldd like to use |
| 03:27.58 | Nechckn | Market Value tends to work wonders |
| 03:28.11 | Nechckn | because that will take all the stats and combine them |
| 03:28.35 | Guest9474 | what do u use, im trying to remember back to stats class |
| 03:28.42 | Nechckn | from Standard Deviation to Vendor and more it is like a really, really good average, if that makes more sense |
| 03:28.47 | Guest9474 | std dev seems to ring a bell |
| 03:28.52 | Nechckn | I use the Market Value |
| 03:29.03 | Nechckn | because that takes some from each of the others and combines them |
| 03:29.10 | Nechckn | even the current "average price" |
| 03:29.28 | Nechckn | so, it's really the best- for me- you can try others to see what you prefer |
| 03:29.39 | Guest9474 | ok |
| 03:29.52 | Guest9474 | ill go witht hat for now, and try other setting for that later |
| 03:30.03 | Nechckn | http://Wiki.Norganna.Org/AucAdvanced/FAQ has a quick and dirty description of each stat |
| 03:30.27 | Guest9474 | ill check that out |
| 03:30.29 | Nechckn | Cool- now... after you have that set... pop open your Bottom Scanner options |
| 03:31.00 | Guest9474 | yup |
| 03:31.01 | Nechckn | Within that you'll see and Appraiser Evaluator |
| 03:31.21 | Guest9474 | yup |
| 03:31.32 | Nechckn | Click the top box to use that as well- all the rest is pretty self-explanatory |
| 03:31.37 | Nechckn | on that page |
| 03:32.10 | Nechckn | Now.. why use that, you say, right? |
| 03:32.25 | Guest9474 | if it says minimum discount 50%, is that the same as 50% profit? |
| 03:33.14 | Nechckn | The reason being is that it uses all of those statistics from our visit to the Appraiser options- so by setting those back on that Auctioneer page- or entering a manual price if you don't like those suggested by Auctioneer- |
| 03:33.41 | Nechckn | you then have some very fine-grained control over what is being picked as bargains |
| 03:34.46 | Guest9474 | do u still use the resale evaluator? |
| 03:34.52 | Nechckn | Not really, it's not the same |
| 03:35.16 | Nechckn | Resale is around still because some folks like it |
| 03:35.31 | Nechckn | I don't use it, since the Appraiser one is so much more configurable |
| 03:35.48 | Guest9474 | so for appraiser, what minimum discount do u use? |
| 03:35.50 | Nechckn | as you noticed- you can't tell it to use the average or whatever.. it only does what it does |
| 03:36.39 | Guest9474 | i mean im not looking to buy out every item in the AH and resell it, just to find a few good deals now and then |
| 03:36.42 | Nechckn | Ok.. the discount, I don't really care about |
| 03:37.08 | Nechckn | the amount of profit is what I look at- because I don't want every item that is priced 25% less to show up |
| 03:37.09 | Guest9474 | why not? |
| 03:37.15 | Nechckn | as you can imagine, that would be quite alot |
| 03:37.19 | Guest9474 | oh yea |
| 03:37.29 | Guest9474 | so your discount is what then like 5%? |
| 03:37.35 | Nechckn | But.. if you add the Profit level into that- they play off of one-another |
| 03:37.59 | Nechckn | Yeah... it varies from server to server- usually 5-15% |
| 03:38.19 | Nechckn | as for profit... I increase that as my amount of $ on hand goes up |
| 03:38.35 | Nechckn | If I have 1K in the bank.. I don't care if something will make me 10s right? |
| 03:39.05 | Nechckn | I mean, when I start a character on a new server... both values get set to 1 1 copper and 1% discount |
| 03:39.15 | Nechckn | because I want anything I can get! =) |
| 03:39.26 | Nechckn | well... not quite anything- but you get the idea |
| 03:39.46 | Nechckn | Especially Vendor is important early on |
| 03:40.01 | Guest9474 | wait |
| 03:40.03 | Nechckn | on that one, I will use 1 and 1... because it's guaranteed money to me |
| 03:40.33 | Guest9474 | you said both values... appraiser only has min profit |
| 03:40.42 | Nechckn | You can set your Appraiser close to what you had Resale- they are close to the same idea |
| 03:41.19 | Guest9474 | ok i get it now |
| 03:41.20 | Nechckn | The Slide Bar does the % of discount |
| 03:41.40 | Guest9474 | i mean i usally go with 5g min profit, |
| 03:41.46 | Nechckn | sorry... you scared me there, I had to go make sure I wasn't totally going crazy =) |
| 03:42.05 | Guest9474 | ive been able to make 250, and im only lvl 18, so i think im getting the hang of this program |
| 03:42.22 | Guest9474 | 250 gold |
| 03:42.24 | Nechckn | That's fine... it's all about how much you have compared to how much you need- taking into account your willingness to take on a risk |
| 03:42.36 | Nechckn | Ah, indeed, that is very good |
| 03:43.02 | Nechckn | I mean, we have some folks who post upwards of 200 auctions a day |
| 03:43.05 | Guest9474 | whats "enable checking "seen" count" |
| 03:43.15 | Nechckn | I post about 10-15 =) on a usual day |
| 03:43.26 | Nechckn | Ok.. that is important for BTMS |
| 03:44.02 | Nechckn | because as you scan.. say someone had listed a relatively unseen thing like a gem for 20g one day |
| 03:44.09 | Nechckn | then they post for 5g the next |
| 03:44.22 | Guest9474 | yea,,, |
| 03:44.28 | Nechckn | if your seen count is 1 or less.. it would scream- Hey, Look at the deal!!! |
| 03:44.40 | Nechckn | but- with that "seen" checked and set for about 10 |
| 03:44.58 | Nechckn | you will know that you have "seen" at least 10 auctions before BTMS will even care |
| 03:45.14 | Nechckn | which is a really, really important thing- especially if you are just starting out |
| 03:45.29 | Nechckn | you want to be sure each purchase is based on "reliable" statistics |
| 03:45.40 | Nechckn | not someone trying to make a quick buck =) |
| 03:45.59 | Nechckn | Some folks here have that as high as 40... I think that's a bit much myself |
| 03:46.15 | Guest9474 | how do u prevent auctioneer from taking into consideration outlyers when it makes its averages. like |
| 03:46.16 | Nechckn | and usually opt for a 10 seen count |
| 03:46.24 | Guest9474 | people who sell a stack of wool for 10,000g |
| 03:46.31 | Nechckn | Use the Outlier Filter =) |
| 03:46.50 | Nechckn | That is over in the Auctioneer Advanced options where we first were |
| 03:47.23 | Nechckn | There are 2 filters we use |
| 03:47.27 | Nechckn | Outlier and Simple |
| 03:47.41 | Nechckn | um.. I have an okay post on how to set 'em up- one moment |
| 03:48.21 | Guest9474 | i found simple and outlier in the modules |
| 03:48.39 | Nechckn | http://forums.norganna.org/discussion/7416/ |
| 03:48.57 | Nechckn | look down towards the bottom for my post there- it explains how to set those |
| 03:50.01 | Guest9474 | ok i will |
| 03:50.22 | Nechckn | it goes over the settings for filters in pretty good detail =) |
| 03:51.11 | Guest9474 | im reading it now |
| 03:52.11 | Nechckn | I need to run for a bit.. if there is anything else.. ask it and someone will help if they are here. I'll be back after a while, so I'll chime in if you have not been helped with additional questions. |
| 03:52.15 | Guest9474 | back to appraiser, under util modules... alternate pricing model, is this like averaged with the default pricing model? |
| 03:52.27 | Guest9474 | well thanks for your time |
| 03:52.32 | Nechckn | nope.. that is if there is no pricing for the first one |
| 03:52.35 | Nechckn | that is the backup |
| 03:52.57 | Nechckn | so.. market is pretty well set as that is already sort of an "average" or combination, if you will |
| 03:53.14 | Nechckn | How I set mine is Market first followed by StdDev |
| 03:53.43 | Nechckn | any of the pricing I've seen most closely follows Market- but if market is not available, then StdDev is not bad |
| 03:54.00 | Nechckn | you could also pick Vendor if you like or any others =) |
| 03:54.07 | Guest9474 | cool, thanks for all the indfo, ill read those links you gave me |
| 03:54.26 | Nechckn | Now, I am off bbiab Great- we are happy to help, when we are here. ./wave |
| 03:57.01 | Udub | Nikk I just tested it, and it works like a charm :) |
| 04:08.06 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: 03zespri * r3297 10EnhTooltip/ (ConfigUI.lua Tooltip.lua): [ETT-27] Error no longer thrown on load. Button visibility state is now correctly set on load. |
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| 04:16.38 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: 03kandoko * r3298 10Auc-Util-Mover/Auc-Util-Mover.lua: |
| 04:16.38 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: Continues AMOV-3 |
| 04:16.38 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: Adds a new slider to the Window scale subsection. |
| 04:16.38 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: This slider adjusts the Font size of the compactUI in the browse tab. |
| 04:34.11 | ^nbot | Bug 03ETT-27 10zespri: Tooltip.lua line 1903: attempt to index field 'SideIcon' (a nil value) 06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ETT-27 |
| 04:34.17 | ^nbot | Task 03AMOV-3 10kandoko: Merge mover and auc protect modules06 (In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/AMOV-3 |
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| 12:45.12 | ^nbot | Bug 03ASER-63 10mattbnr: not finding some snatch items on list06 (Unconfirmed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ASER-63 |
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| 15:55.13 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: 03kandoko * r3299 10Auc-Advanced/CoreScan.lua: |
| 15:55.13 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: Starts ADV-286 |
| 15:55.13 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: Improves the progress bars display to be more aesthetic and less intrusive. Bars are smaller, and no longer overlap if both are displayed at the same time. Bars will scale with the Auction Frames scale. |
| 15:55.13 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: Please give any feedback on improving the look of teh progress bars |
| 15:59.12 | ^nbot | Improvement 03ADV-286 10kandoko: Improve the progress bars display. To be more aesthetic and less intrusive 06 (In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-286 |
| 16:00.11 | Guest9474 | anyone in this chat, last night i was talking with nechckn, and he had me install the newest version of auctioneer, 3262, but now it wont show me the average price for items, and it doesn't recognize commands like /auc broker 500 |
| 16:01.31 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: 03kandoko * r3300 10BeanCounter/BeanCounterMail.lua: |
| 16:01.31 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: Continues BCNT-187 |
| 16:01.31 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: Changes itemlink lookup to use plain text string.find instead of regular expression. This should stop all issues with symbols in item names being misread as capture commands. |
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| 16:02.46 | Guest9474 | anyone in this chat, last night i was talking with nechckn, and he had me install the newest version of auctioneer, 3262, but now it wont show me the average price for items, and it doesn't recognize commands like /auc broker 500 |
| 16:14.08 | Kandoko | Guest9474: Did you install the Full Suite or just AucAdv or just Auc Classic? |
| 16:33.13 | ^nbot | Bug 03BCNT-187 10kandoko: When selling items with Parentheses in the item Name we will not record the sales in the mail.06 (In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/BCNT-187 |
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| 19:19.34 | Gregity | Hi, New to this site, and IRC in general. I love the AuctioneerAdvanced. I have made a small update to one of the routines, and wonder if submitting same for future inclusion is reasonable. |
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| 19:24.22 | MentalPower|Work | Gregity: sure, either wait here a few mins for someone else to answer, or post on the forums about it |
| 19:24.49 | Gregity | Hi. OK, I will probably just post in the forums. Thanks |
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| 19:33.15 | Tolerant | Hi Guys, hope you are having a great Sunday afternoon. |
| 19:33.35 | Tolerant | Has anyone mentioned a "tainted execution path" from STUBBY when trying to Petition? |
| 19:34.23 | RockSlice | yup. It's been a long-standing bug we still aren't sure of how to fix. It only happens when shift-clicking to copy a name |
| 19:34.32 | RockSlice | so you should be fine if you don't do that |
| 19:34.53 | Tolerant | Ugg, thats what I was petitioning about.. someones name with high ascii characters. |
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| 19:35.06 | Tolerant | At least now I know what the problem is though, thanks for that. |
| 19:36.11 | Tolerant | Sadly I am in the middle of reinstalling WoW because I thought it might have had something to do with no reg. settings after formatting my windows drive. :( |
| 19:36.23 | RockSlice | http://www.tony-franks.co.uk/UTF-8.htm might help |
| 19:36.48 | RockSlice | hold down alt while typing in the value on the numpad |
| 19:36.54 | Val_0098 | Hey, can some1 tell me how to disable the double click bid in Auctioneer? |
| 19:37.14 | RockSlice | Val_0098: it should be off by default in the current build |
| 19:37.54 | Tolerant | Hah.. I bought an item for 5000g previous version cause I lagged when I clicked and clicked again. |
| 19:38.05 | RockSlice | so updating should fix that |
| 19:38.37 | Tolerant | -- I was gonna buy it anyways.. so no harm done. |
| 19:38.45 | Val_0098 | RockSlice: ok I will update thanks |
| 19:39.02 | Anaral | Yeah, we've heard many stories like that Tolerant. |
| 19:39.16 | Tolerant | Gotta have turtle poly or u aint a real mage ;) |
| 19:40.31 | Val_0098 | RockSlice: lastest release/ |
| 19:40.43 | Val_0098 | or preview? |
| 19:40.46 | Tolerant | Thanks for the link RockSlice, I may put it to use next time a bad name ticks me off, thanks. |
| 19:41.00 | RockSlice | preview build. we don't have any "releases" yet |
| 19:41.05 | Tolerant | preview auc adv complete Val |
| 19:41.57 | Val_0098 | AuctioneerFullSuite ? |
| 19:42.15 | RockSlice | Val_0098: what were you using before? |
| 19:42.50 | Tolerant | http://www.auctioneeraddon.com/dl/?dl=Packages/AuctioneerAdvancedSuite-5.0.PRE.3262.zip - is what I use myself without any major issues |
| 19:44.57 | Val_0098 | I am using the latest release |
| 19:44.59 | Val_0098 | http://auctioneeraddon.com/dl/#release |
| 19:46.43 | RockSlice | Val_0098: you can't be using the "latest release" from that page, because as it states, there are no release builds. |
| 19:47.23 | RockSlice | If you currently have a "search Auctions" tab, download the "Full Suite" from http://auctioneeraddon.com/dl/#preview |
| 19:47.40 | RockSlice | if you don't, download the "Advanced Suite" from the same page |
| 19:48.27 | Val_0098 | I was using a month old version |
| 19:48.50 | Val_0098 | just overwrote it with the version you send me the link to |
| 19:49.03 | Tolerant | I notice Curse.com has a "Full" Auctioneer but its not the Auc Advanced package at the top. Am I missing it at Curse.com or was it never added? - Asking because I was hoping to keep updated using the Curse Addon Client. |
| 19:49.48 | RockSlice | right. Curse has the Full Suite, and probably will for a while still |
| 19:50.17 | RockSlice | it used to only have Classic, but we switched to full (which has both classic and advanced) to get people started on the transition |
| 19:50.47 | Tolerant | How about adding the Auc Advanced version I linked above for all of us who made the transation months ago? |
| 19:52.49 | Tolerant | Not that I dont love coming to your website and chat room.. you guys are great but getting a notice when there is an update is nice. |
| 19:53.01 | RockSlice | we probably will once we go beta. not promising anything, though |
| 19:53.21 | Tolerant | bah, your pre-releases work great 99% of the time ;) |
| 19:53.46 | RockSlice | we're perfectionists :) |
| 19:53.51 | Tolerant | lol |
| 19:54.12 | RockSlice | plus, we really need to get the defaults to some "sane" values |
| 19:54.31 | Tolerant | In that case... mousing over an item at the top of the Appraiser tab, should show a tooltip without having to go across to the left side column :P |
| 19:54.49 | RockSlice | nudges Tolerant to the settings thread in the forums, in case he hasn't contributed yet |
| 19:55.29 | RockSlice | i beleve we've got a jira for that |
| 19:55.59 | Tolerant | I hope so, I always go up.. then remember it does no good and go across, heh.. |
| 19:56.42 | RockSlice | http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-84 , if you want to vote for it |
| 19:58.13 | Tolerant | cant vote unless I talk to admin to get an account.. which is why I think I prob. dont have one |
| 19:58.23 | RockSlice | use your forum account |
| 19:58.57 | Tolerant | if i have one.. let me go check the forums and see if I can request a forgotten pw.. |
| 20:01.59 | Tolerant | there we go.. voted, commented.. and waiting for the fix :) |
| 20:02.54 | Tolerant | Is it fixed yet? jk |
| 20:03.23 | RockSlice | hasn't been put in sooner because it's a cosmetic change, and we've (read: I've) been ignoring those a lot |
| 20:03.52 | Tolerant | I find it more functional then cosmetic myself |
| 20:04.11 | ^nbot | Improvement 03APPR-84 10Nechckn: Add Tooltip to Selected Item Icon in Main Appraiser Window06 (Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-84 |
| 20:04.22 | Tolerant | Granted its something that isnt broken per say.. but would make using it a bit easier. |
| 20:05.33 | Tolerant | btw, I posted on the wow tech forums about tainted exec path/stubby.. hopefully that will save someone a reinstall.. |
| 20:11.51 | Nechckn | Tolerant Just so you know- if you only want Advanced you can still use the convenience of the Curse and or WowInterface updating- |
| 20:12.34 | Nechckn | Just commented about this on there a day or two ago - Simply disable the "Auctioneer" entry in the AddOns page and you will be good to go |
| 20:12.49 | Tolerant | kk, thanks |
| 20:13.15 | Tolerant | I had used it.. noticed reg. auc and thought that seemed messy.. so went back to Direct dl from here :P |
| 20:13.38 | Tolerant | yeah! after 8 discs of installing.. time to patch :( |
| 20:13.39 | Nechckn | The reason why there is only Full is because it saves alot of confusion for folks who are not "computer types" and they can get "Classic" by disabling the "Auc-Advanced" entry in that same Addons control panel |
| 20:14.14 | Nechckn | yep- either place is fine- just letting you know that you could if you want to |
| 20:14.28 | Tolerant | I will.. keeps things simpler for my GF's pc too lol |
| 20:14.33 | Nechckn | The patching is usually the tough part =) |
| 20:16.15 | Tolerant | I wish I had came here first.. or waited a few mins for someone to point out it was stubby throwing the error.. In my head I was reading Swatter and figured of course swatter is mentioned.. duh |
| 20:17.43 | Nechckn | Sorry about that- it's one of those things where we like folks being able to shift+click for all sorts of stuff, so simply disabling it isn't really an option |
| 20:18.01 | Nechckn | and fixing it has proved rather difficult |
| 20:18.25 | Tolerant | Blizzard only added that shift click names thing recently, so that doesnt supprise me |
| 20:19.01 | Tolerant | Although, if a petition window is open... shouldnt that give u some sort of flag u can check to disable whatever needs to be disabled? |
| 20:20.07 | Nechckn | it could but from the poking around anyone has done- it's not a simple thing, just like alot of their "reserved" functions |
| 20:20.55 | Tolerant | They seem to be making more and more of them protected/reserved too.. I still use CTRaid Assist, and thats always throwing errors cause they dont really keep it updated well |
| 20:21.37 | Tolerant | And u were right.. patching is going to take HOURS.. omg |
| 20:21.50 | Nechckn | Yepper... alot of it has to deal with trying to outsmart botters and crap like that |
| 20:22.26 | Nechckn | since there haven't been all too many big, shiny additions or anything |
| 20:22.45 | Tolerant | They are failing miserably at that.. I see botters in almost every BG I play.. found one out in Deaths door.. took them 2-3 weeks to remove the guy.. its kinda sad. |
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| 20:24.12 | Nechckn | But, all in all, it's a good brand- there are just some things that take a while to figure out. And most of us here only have a half hour here or an hour there to work on issues- and those types usually take a decent block of time so that you can wrap your brain around the issue |
| 20:24.30 | Nechckn | Wow that is a long time |
| 20:25.04 | Tolerant | YOU guys seem to keep on top of stuff, working all hours and non stop for hours sometimes.. I have a lot of respect for this addon team and would not enjoy wow half as much without this addon |
| 20:25.27 | Tolerant | So from everyone who should but doesnt, THANK YOU for your effort guys |
| 20:25.46 | Nechckn | well, that is appreciated we all try to put out the best product we can with the resources on hand |
| 20:26.15 | Nechckn | except for that Kandoko guy... look out for him! |
| 20:29.54 | Nechckn | ok... off for a it myself. Thanks again- and please, remember to back up your Addons and WTF folders in the WoW directory- then, the Blizzard repair tool can tackly just about any issue you run into |
| 20:30.04 | Nechckn | without the need to reinstall. ;-) |
| 20:30.06 | Tolerant | wow... I cancelled the 780+ meg patch.. restarted.. and it let me in .. lol |
| 20:30.36 | Nechckn | s/tackly/tackle/ |
| 20:30.52 | Tolerant | So is stubby really needed? |
| 20:31.25 | Tolerant | Its not one of those 'extras' i can disable and still get auc adv. to function well is it? |
| 20:31.49 | Rabbitbunny | Stibby is like air |
| 20:32.00 | Rabbitbunny | u |
| 20:39.25 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: 03RockSlice * r3301 10Auc-Util-Appraiser/AprFrame.lua: |
| 20:39.25 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: APPR-84:Adds tooltip to Icon in item dropslot |
| 20:39.25 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: Makes looking at the item's tooltip much more intuitive than having to go to the itemlist |
| 20:39.43 | RockSlice | there you go, Tolerant :) |
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| 20:46.10 | ^nbot | Improvement 03APPR-84 10RockSlice: Add Tooltip to Selected Item Icon in Main Appraiser Window06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-84 |
| 20:46.14 | ^nbot | Improvement 03APPR-171 10RockSlice: Add tooltip Help to all Appraiser elements06 (In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-171 |
| 20:49.36 | Tolerant | wooo.. new build up? :) |
| 20:49.53 | Nechckn | True.. as Rabbitbunny points out, Stubby is one of the few things that is neeeded |
| 20:49.58 | RockSlice | nope. but the change will be in the next build |
| 20:49.58 | Anaral | That's the developer build |
| 20:51.43 | Tolerant | There was one more little fix.... make everything I auction sell real fast for lots of gold. heh |
| 20:53.40 | RockSlice | sorry. haven't quite gotten the "Make me money" button done yet |
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| 21:35.12 | ^nbot | NorgWiki 03Developer Procedures 10Nechckn: Modified format of description http://wiki.norganna.org/Developer_Procedures |
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| 21:50.35 | state | hey |
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| 21:50.55 | state | can anyone tell me where to put my auctioneer folder once downloaded to get it to load in the game? |
| 21:51.25 | state | do i just put in the WoW folder? or somewhere specific? |
| 21:51.31 | Anaral | Place it into your Addons folder which is located in WoW---Interface---Addons |
| 21:51.43 | state | oh, ok |
| 21:51.49 | state | great! thanks for the help! :) |
| 21:51.55 | Anaral | No problem |
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| 22:32.37 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: 03RockSlice * r3302 10Auc-Util-Appraiser/ (AprFrame.lua AprSettings.lua): |
| 22:32.37 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: APPR-171: Adds Tooltip help to (almost) all Appraiser elements |
| 22:32.37 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: Tooltip help can be disabled in the options |
| 22:32.37 | CIA-51 | auctioneer: Tooltip not added to bid/buy entryboxes, due to the element type not accepting OnEnter scripts |
| 22:41.47 | Shirik|AFK | Nechckn: ping |
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| 22:44.11 | ^nbot | Improvement 03APPR-171 10RockSlice: Add tooltip Help to all Appraiser elements06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-171 |
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| 23:03.44 | Nechckn | what up Shirik|AFK type? |
| 23:05.11 | Shirik|AFK | might I advise "implements" as well? |
| 23:05.31 | Shirik|AFK | <Fixes, Starts, or Completes> <JIRA Number> Simplified, non-technical description |
| 23:06.14 | ^nbot | Improvement 03ADV-286 10kandoko: Improve the progress bars display. To be more aesthetic and less intrusive 06 (In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-286 |
| 23:06.19 | Nechckn | Sure- drop that in if you like |
| 23:20.50 | Rabbitbunny | I'm very good at generating errors. How can I clear swatter to show me only the errors I caused this session? |
| 23:22.18 | Rabbitbunny | '/swat clear' in the source. |
| 23:22.30 | Rabbitbunny | asked a dumb question |
| 23:23.37 | RockSlice | ~pat Rabbitbunny |
| 23:23.37 | purl | ACTION pats Rabbitbunny and says "Nicely Done!" |