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| 00:19.23 | mattbnr | profit* |
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| 02:37.50 | ohhai | are you guys getting errors when you close the auction window? |
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| 05:28.39 | Whytonia | Getting this error: ...dvanced\Modules\Auc-Util-SearchUI\SearcherSnatch.lua:36: attempt to index global 'BtmScan' (a nil value): Anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 14:51.26 | tecon | hi, any chance to run Gatherer under WotLK beta?... |
| 14:52.53 | Shirik | while the majority of us will have keys soon, I don't think any have them yet |
| 14:52.58 | Shirik | so we haven't had a chance to test it |
| 14:53.31 | tecon | so i can say that at the moment both windows atre blank in gatherer :P |
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| 15:12.48 | Business | Hi, can anyone help me with auctioneer? I want to disable the "Competition above market" and make it undercut instead, can anyone help? |
| 15:13.40 | RockSlice | AC? |
| 15:13.46 | Hirsute | Business: I'm not 100% sure what you're asking. Are you using AC or AA? |
| 15:13.51 | Hirsute | Bah, Rock beat me to it. |
| 15:14.18 | Business | AA |
| 15:14.47 | RockSlice | look in the AucAdv options, under Match Modules-Undercut |
| 15:15.19 | Business | ok, i give it a try thx |
| 15:15.28 | RockSlice | The "Max over market price" slider increases how high you're willing to go |
| 15:24.03 | Business | it modified the price but isnt there a way to disable it, only make it undercut? |
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| 15:31.03 | RockSlice | not sure what you mean? |
| 15:34.32 | Hirsute | Business: If you set your max over market price to 0, that should make it only undercut |
| 15:38.49 | Business | thx i try |
| 15:51.30 | Hirsute | If it is unable to undercut everyone given your undercut settings, setting Max Over market price to 0 will cause it not to change the price |
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| 17:12.47 | The_Nomad | Hi, all. Apologies for posting what's probably a blatantly obvious question, but has anyone any idea why BottomScanner wouldn't be loading at all? Dependencies enabled, but I can't even run /btm commands or see the tab at the bottom of the AH screen. |
| 17:13.06 | The_Nomad | I've disabled all other addons, too. |
| 17:13.09 | RockSlice | are you getting any errors? |
| 17:13.34 | RockSlice | to check for errors during the loading, type /swat show |
| 17:13.45 | The_Nomad | Let me check. |
| 17:14.45 | The_Nomad | Yeah, I'm getting a really weird one: |
| 17:14.47 | The_Nomad | Date: 2008-07-30 18:07:19 |
| 17:15.04 | The_Nomad | What's wierd is that most of those addons aren't enabled at present. |
| 17:15.19 | RockSlice | ~norgbug |
| 17:15.19 | purl | Hi, in order to report your bug here, simply select and copy the text in the Swatter bug details box (use "/swat show" if you've already closed it), and go to http://norganna.pastey.net ; Once you're there, paste your bug into the box, submit and paste the resultant URL into the chat. Thanks! |
| 17:15.31 | The_Nomad | Aha. |
| 17:16.21 | The_Nomad | http://norganna.pastey.net/92781 |
| 17:16.44 | The_Nomad | (Thanks very much for helping out with this, BTW) |
| 17:16.48 | RockSlice | none from this session? |
| 17:17.04 | The_Nomad | That's the only thing that shows up when I type /swat show |
| 17:17.14 | RockSlice | what's your local time? |
| 17:17.30 | The_Nomad | 18:17. |
| 17:18.53 | RockSlice | Can you try this: rename your current addons folder, create a new one, and extract the zip you downloaded from us into it |
| 17:19.13 | The_Nomad | OK. |
| 17:21.01 | The_Nomad | Done, totally reloaded, still no frame. |
| 17:21.18 | RockSlice | any new errors from /swat show? |
| 17:22.09 | The_Nomad | Nope. Bunch of old errors, no new ones. |
| 17:22.22 | The_Nomad | The command to load Bottomscanner is /btm load, right? |
| 17:22.26 | RockSlice | is everything from that zip enabled? |
| 17:22.48 | The_Nomad | Yep, all four addons (I'm using the Bottomscanner standalone zip) |
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| 17:23.30 | moneyman | does anyone know how to make the display of auctioneer back to the large icons and display rather than the smaller one |
| 17:23.50 | RockSlice | The_Nomad: let me do some testing and get back to you |
| 17:24.14 | RockSlice | moneyman: in the AucAdvanced options, under Util Modules-Compactui, disable that |
| 17:24.38 | The_Nomad | Rock - OK. I'll try it on another PC, I think, and I'll report if that sorts things out. |
| 17:24.41 | moneyman | how do you get to aucadvanced options? |
| 17:25.04 | RockSlice | the coin stack on the slidebar (under the minimap) , or the configure button on Appraiser |
| 17:29.02 | RockSlice | The_Nomad: does "/btm " do anything? |
| 17:30.25 | RockSlice | "/btm help" should show the commands btm will accept |
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| 17:33.07 | RockSlice | fyi, you won't get the tab without either AucClassic or AucAdv loaded |
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| 17:34.17 | RockSlice | nvm, tested. you need either AC or AA loaded, period |
| 17:34.39 | moneyman | ok now im having the problem with my bid and buyout tabs being grayed out |
| 17:34.45 | moneyman | so i can't bid or buyout anything |
| 17:36.30 | The_Nomad | Last time I tested, /btm didn't seem to do anything. |
| 17:36.53 | moneyman | is there something i can do to fix this? |
| 17:39.55 | moneyman | ? |
| 17:40.14 | RockSlice | moneyman: please be patient |
| 17:40.45 | RockSlice | The_Nomad: it seems like the current BtmScan zip needs either AucClassic or AucAdv to be functional |
| 17:41.23 | moneyman | ok |
| 17:41.55 | RockSlice | moneyman: are the bid/buyout buttons always greyed out? |
| 17:43.04 | moneyman | no the bid one ungrayed when i clicked on a linen bag |
| 17:43.15 | moneyman | but everything else is grayed out |
| 17:43.34 | The_Nomad | Ah, right. I'll try installing AucClassic and see what happens. |
| 17:43.38 | The_Nomad | Thanks. |
| 17:43.57 | RockSlice | moneyman: are you certain you have enough gold to bid/buy those items? |
| 17:44.24 | moneyman | OMG rofl lol |
| 17:44.30 | moneyman | i am so sorry to disturb you |
| 17:44.38 | moneyman | forgot i was on my noob |
| 17:46.07 | Smoke_Z | *giggle* case in point about how it takes a special type of person to be a troubleshooter |
| 17:46.46 | The_Nomad | OK, have installed Auctioneer Classic, still no juice. (Just downloaded Auct Classic and installed the Auctioneer folder) |
| 17:47.44 | RockSlice | The_Nomad: try also installing the BeanCounter folder |
| 17:51.01 | The_Nomad | Ok, tried that, still no juice. Try nuking the WTF folders? |
| 17:51.16 | RockSlice | yup. rename, not delete |
| 17:51.37 | The_Nomad | Hell yes, there's no way I'm setting up all my UI again ;) |
| 17:56.12 | The_Nomad | That did it. Right. What's likely to have been the culprit? |
| 17:56.16 | The_Nomad | (Great addon, BTW) |
| 17:56.37 | RockSlice | probably your btmscan.lua file in WTF |
| 17:56.53 | The_Nomad | Right. I'll go slap it with a wet fish. |
| 17:57.19 | The_Nomad | If that doesn't work, I'll try deleting it :) |
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| 18:03.43 | The_Nomad | OK, deleting the btmscan WTF didn't do it, but I deleted the Auctioneer and associated mods WTFs, and that did it. Thanks! |
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| 18:49.58 | mark4 | erm. my HUD just disappeared and i cant get it back |
| 18:50.14 | mark4 | ive logged etc etc but im not getting the hud |
| 18:50.29 | mark4 | looking on the map however shows all my nodes so gatherer is working, just not the HUD |
| 18:51.38 | Hirsute | mark4: As in, you had the HUD up, and everything was working, and then out of nowhere it just disappeared? |
| 18:51.46 | mark4 | yup |
| 18:51.54 | Hirsute | You aren't in combat, are you? |
| 18:51.59 | mark4 | nope |
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| 18:52.32 | Hirsute | Huh.... well, if you didn't change any settings, I'm not sure what might have happened. |
| 18:52.54 | mark4 | no change of settings. see node, land, mine, take off and notice no hud any more |
| 18:53.18 | Hirsute | It doesn't come back when you land again? |
| 18:53.25 | mark4 | nope |
| 18:53.35 | mark4 | logged and everything. still no hud |
| 18:53.43 | Hirsute | I'm stumped. That's really weird |
| 18:54.38 | mark4 | ugh i figured it out |
| 18:54.47 | mark4 | i think this should be removed as a feature |
| 18:55.04 | mark4 | i must have clicked on the gatherer mini map button and disabled it taht way |
| 18:55.15 | mark4 | yet if i do /gatherer it still showed enabled |
| 18:55.32 | mark4 | the mini map clickie to disable should be removed |
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| 18:59.27 | Esamynn | mark4: oh, that is because clicking the minimap icon disables the minimap display, which the HUD depends on |
| 18:59.58 | mark4 | yea - the clickie to disable shouldnt do it - thats the second time ive been bitten by this in like 2 years lol |
| 19:00.17 | mark4 | why would anyone want to click to disable gatherer anyway? |
| 19:00.30 | Esamynn | quick way to get it off your screen |
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| 19:01.47 | mark4 | erm any emergency where u need to clear ur display fast should not have caught you by supprise |
| 19:06.03 | Esamynn | I'll entertain an option to disable the feature, but I don't think it is going away any time soon |
| 19:06.55 | Esamynn | if you want such an option, please open a Jira Improvement ticket for it |
| 19:07.53 | Business | Hi, is there a way to configue BottomScanner so it calculates from the lowes % instead of 100% item value when a suggested bid is found? Because sometimes someone sets in a item to a insane amount, messing up with BtmScn. |
| 19:07.55 | mark4 | :) |
| 19:11.15 | Shirik | huh? |
| 19:11.23 | Shirik | What do you mean "messing up BtmScan" |
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| 19:16.02 | Business | might not have been the right words... So it does not calculate with that item on 300% so the item that usually would have been 100% will be 50% because of the item on 300% |
| 19:18.28 | Shirik | it doesn't work like that |
| 19:19.43 | Shirik | it's going to take into account the stats modules and filters |
| 19:19.58 | Shirik | if such a case is occuring, it's because you have no other data off which to base any information |
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| 19:21.37 | Business | ok ty |
| 19:43.11 | ^nbot | Bug 03APPR-162 10Anaral: GetPrice not taking account of the "Set bid minimum to vendor" setting06 (Closed/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-162 |
| 19:43.14 | ^nbot | Improvement 03ADV-83 10Anaral: Ignore Items list 06 (Closed/Duplicate) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-83 |
| 19:43.20 | ^nbot | Bug 03ADV-18 10Anaral: Auc5 doesn't compute scan statistics immediately and automatically at end of piggybacked Auc4 scan06 (Closed/Won't Fix) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-18 |
| 19:49.29 | Business | Hi, was there a way to filther out all who have set auctions in to over 100% value? |
| 20:01.52 | Rabbitbunny | Why would you want to? The AH is fluid. |
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| 20:04.22 | Business | i can use AH easier with those filthered out |
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| 20:05.42 | Hirsute | Business: Yes, but your system will break down, because what constitues a value of 100% will change over time, and when it goes up, you'll be selling things for too little, and when it goes down, you won't sell because you'll be posting them for too much. |
| 20:07.44 | Hirsute | That said, if you still want to try to do that, you can set your outlier filter for all items to 100% |
| 20:07.54 | Hirsute | But I need to stress that it's a *bad* idea |
| 20:10.11 | ^nbot | Bug 03GHUD-8 10Anaral: Gatherer HUD does not work properly when rotating minimap is enabled.06 (Closed/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/GHUD-8 |
| 20:10.14 | ^nbot | Bug 03GHUD-7 10Anaral: What happened to the range on the HUD?06 (Closed/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/GHUD-7 |
| 20:10.28 | Business | nic, i try that, ty Hirsute, but as you sayed before, i might try it to only 150% :) |
| 20:10.39 | Business | nice* |
| 20:11.08 | Business | 100% wont work i meen :) |
| 20:11.25 | Hirsute | 150% is better, though I don't recommend setting it below 200%, I've got mine set at 300% |
| 20:16.52 | Business | does it recalculate the % or does it just hides those over the value? |
| 20:18.43 | RockSlice | it bases it on the market price at the time you're filtering it |
| 20:19.03 | RockSlice | so setting it to 100% will cause only auctions lower than marketprice to register with the stats |
| 20:19.12 | RockSlice | so the marketprice will keep decreases |
| 20:19.18 | RockSlice | *decreasing |
| 20:19.36 | Business | ok ty |
| 20:19.37 | RockSlice | eventually, marketprice will be extremely low for everything |
| 20:19.57 | RockSlice | really, 200% is about as conservative as you want to go |
| 20:20.26 | RockSlice | 300% is fairly safe, but gives more leeway if the market actually is shifting |
| 20:20.29 | mattbnr | i think i have my grey set to 100% and steadily increased as i went down the list. 150 225 300 400 so on so on |
| 20:21.23 | mattbnr | 100 200 325 450 525 is my settings |
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| 21:13.19 | daveful | is there a way to get auctioneer advanced to "process" only when i explicitly press the scan button, but to stay paused/inactive while I search for a bunch of items one after the other? currently it updates following each minor search, which is unnecessary (when it comes right after I did a full scan) and seriously slows me down :( |
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| 21:47.40 | Business | i seem to have some bugs with Outlier, anyone know where i can update it? |
| 21:48.24 | RockSlice | Auc-Filter-Outlier? |
| 21:48.30 | Business | yes |
| 21:48.33 | RockSlice | what bugs/ |
| 21:48.34 | RockSlice | ? |
| 21:49.13 | RockSlice | Outlier hasn't had any updates recently, so the build should have the newest version |
| 21:50.32 | daveful | am I in a queue for my question from a while back to be answered? |
| 21:50.50 | Business | i cant modify the rare (maybe epic did only test rare) items, i had it work 1st time but then i could not modify it again, and it stayed disabled even thoug it displayed as enabled |
| 21:51.03 | RockSlice | sorry, daveful, didn't see you there |
| 21:51.20 | RockSlice | daveful: not currently |
| 21:52.21 | RockSlice | you can add the request to JIRA, but it would require some changes to the core scanning engine, so you're unlikely to see a resolution before we get out a release |
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| 21:53.58 | daveful | I dont know much about coding, but is it really that hard to just make it not take action when I click search but take action normally when I press the "play" button? I've seen posts from users on norganna's forum and curse about this, it's bad enough that when I have to search for more than three or four individual items at once I end up disabling auctioneer entirely and reloading the UI :( |
| 21:54.14 | Business | ok, dont know how to it lol :P but ty anyways |
| 21:54.46 | RockSlice | Business: you're saying that outlier's settings are different from how they appear in the config? |
| 21:55.24 | RockSlice | daveful: the current way it works, is the scanning engine always gathers data, then processes it when the search term ends |
| 21:56.12 | daveful | couldn't you just have some "disable" flag which makes the scanning engine cut out of its routine early, or not update the database? |
| 21:56.17 | RockSlice | the full scan merely pages through the AH in a set pattern, and sets a flag that lets the processing know that it's doing a controlled scan |
| 21:57.27 | RockSlice | maybe, and the rest of the team might disagree with me on this, but changing the way the scanning engine works shouldn't be messed with as we're fairly close to a beta |
| 21:57.36 | Business | yes |
| 21:58.21 | RockSlice | daveful: it will probably be done, you just might have to wait until after the beta |
| 21:58.47 | daveful | nods sadly |
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| 22:00.06 | RockSlice | Business: are you certain that the item has reached the "min seen count" set in Outlier? |
| 22:00.51 | RockSlice | daveful: however, once there's a JIRA, people can vote on it, and the more votes it gets, the higher priority we'll give it |
| 22:01.17 | daveful | by the way there's a reply from someone speaking for your team, on the curse page (to someone else with this same issue i'm talking about), which is either incorrect or misunderstanding: "the scanning bar and such is simply Auctioneer Advanced displaying a visual representation of what is going on in the background- Auctioneer Classic does much the same but there is no notice to the user." |
| 22:01.46 | daveful | I've tested it with auc-advanced enabled, with classic enabled, and with both enabled.. the long pause after a search is not there unless advanced is enabled |
| 22:01.59 | daveful | in other words it's not just a matter of the progress bar being there to show what's happening |
| 22:02.09 | RockSlice | AC only processed after a scan |
| 22:02.32 | Nechckn | That's why I asked that person to come here and to let us know what it is they are seeing- otherwise, it's no different then it was 1, 2, or 3 releases ago |
| 22:03.19 | Nechckn | That's why you'll see the "There really seems to be something that we are missing here, please feel free to join us on IRC for live help, simply click on the Chat link from our main site, http://AuctioneerAddOn.Com . " in my one response to them |
| 22:03.34 | Business | yes i have tested it several times by different values (tested it by deleting WTF and Addons folders in WOW) |
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| 22:04.05 | daveful | honestly from their description it seemed clear it's the same thing i'm having a problem with |
| 22:04.28 | RockSlice | business, can you upload a screenshot of your outlier settings? |
| 22:04.42 | Nechckn | daveful Which is what? that when you search, there is processing performed? |
| 22:05.07 | RockSlice | also, if you're deleting your WTF folders, all items will take a while to get seen enough for outlier filtering to kick in |
| 22:05.07 | Nechckn | daveful that's where the disconnect is- there has been processing, such as it is for quite some time now. |
| 22:05.20 | daveful | with auc-advanced, yes |
| 22:05.31 | Nechckn | daveful unless it's just because the processing bar was moved up and now people see it. |
| 22:06.00 | Nechckn | daveful the same "Full" build has been on Curse now for months |
| 22:06.03 | daveful | no, the bar isn't the problem, it's the 2-3 second freezing after each minor search, which wasn't there with auctioneer classic, it's not anythign to do with the bar |
| 22:06.43 | daveful | you seemed to think the guy was complaining about the bar.. here i'll paste what he said |
| 22:06.54 | Nechckn | daveful exactly where the whole issue is coming in |
| 22:06.57 | daveful | "I just wish I could make it stop scanning the damn auction house when I'm just looking at stuff, seeing the AucAdv: Processing every time I try to look at stuff it does it nonstop. It's so bad its causing my game to pause or stutter so I can even browse the auctionhouse smoothly and go from section to section without seeing the scanning bar with it saying AucAdv: Processing." |
| 22:06.58 | kandoko | daveful, t the scanning on any AH activity has always been in AucAdv. What we are trying to figure out is "Is it now taking more CPU usage than previous build? or Are people just noticing it more because of the large Bar? |
| 22:07.07 | kandoko | Bah slow typist here :) |
| 22:07.11 | Nechckn | daveful that there has been a pause, like that since before |
| 22:07.35 | Nechckn | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/78/#comment_372795 there's the full page, so you don't have to paste it all here |
| 22:07.37 | daveful | i can't speak for anyone else, but i'm noticing it more now because i've been trying to switch to auc-advanced |
| 22:08.15 | Nechckn | daveful what kandoko said ^^ |
| 22:08.26 | daveful | yes, I was replying to what he said |
| 22:08.31 | Business | i dont know how to upload a picture |
| 22:09.12 | Nechckn | That's where the whole question is... if it's just "Advanced does processing and Classic doesn't" that is right- but Advanced has been set up like this for nearly a year now |
| 22:09.18 | Hirsute | Business: ^^ "Uploads to http://up.norganna.org" |
| 22:09.28 | Hirsute | Then paste the resulting link for us in here. |
| 22:10.17 | daveful | auc-advanced is a bit awkward to use, and doesn't offer advantages to the rather simple way I've utilized auctioneer, so i've been using classic until now, and I think i'm not alone in that.. i realize you guys want everyone to use advanced but i don't think i'm the only one who has been slow to switch (and is switching because of all the warnings that we'd better get used to it) |
| 22:10.47 | daveful | and the pause between every minor search becomes a substantial obstacle, if i'm searching for items and not just scanning/posting what i've got in my inventory |
| 22:10.49 | Hirsute | Well, AA offers a *lot* of advantages over AC, though you may not notice them. |
| 22:11.26 | daveful | yes yes... I know it's great and has many advantages.. I was not suggesting otherwise |
| 22:11.26 | Nechckn | daveful it's not about "wanting" anyone to use one or the other |
| 22:11.26 | daveful | that's why I specified "for the rather simple way I use it" |
| 22:11.56 | Nechckn | the fact is that when WotLK hits, AC will not workd |
| 22:11.56 | daveful | yes, nech, that's why I'm tryign to switch to advanced |
| 22:11.56 | Nechckn | s/workd/work/ |
| 22:11.57 | Nechckn | and is not being ported over |
| 22:11.57 | daveful | I've seen many posts to the effect of "you'd better get used to it because the old version won't work", which is what I'm trying to do, get used to it |
| 22:12.03 | daveful | yes.... |
| 22:12.05 | daveful | *sigh* |
| 22:12.20 | daveful | that is why I'm trying to finally switch to it, and I suspect the other people who are now reporting this problem, are in the same boat |
| 22:12.23 | Nechckn | So.... if this is just feedback, then that is great! |
| 22:12.36 | Hirsute | daveful: We understand your frustration, and I don't think most of us are adverse to making the data collection after a scan optional, but it will probably take a while. |
| 22:12.39 | Nechckn | if this is an issue that just started- that is much different |
| 22:12.43 | Nechckn | so, which is it? |
| 22:13.02 | Hirsute | Nechckn: It sounds to me like it's a new issue for him because he's just started using AA. |
| 22:13.04 | daveful | it's an issue that started as soon as I started using advanced. is it honestly hard to tell that? |
| 22:13.13 | Nechckn | Hirsute yes, thank you |
| 22:13.18 | daveful | i understnad you wouldn't know that when I first entered the room but I think i've made it clear several times over |
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| 22:14.05 | Nechckn | daveful Ok, thank you for stating that you are just now moving to Advanced and that this is feedback |
| 22:14.05 | RockSlice | daveful: just out of curiosity, what's your processor and RAM? |
| 22:14.05 | Nechckn | we could have been much further by now |
| 22:14.19 | daveful | my ram is 2g, the processor, I don't know, something old |
| 22:15.17 | daveful | but it's sufficient to run wow with a truly ridiculous number of addons active and no problems (though not on my banker character--for him i only have about 10 addons, and auc-advanced is 6 of those) |
| 22:16.04 | Harshmage | Anyone know if the slash commands for Swatter are disabled, or are they just broken in the WotLK beta? |
| 22:16.07 | RockSlice | well, AucAdv does do more processing that AC, which requires more processing power, so you might be seeing jitter where I'm not |
| 22:16.25 | Hirsute | Harshmage: Haven't had a chance to try it in Beta, but they haven't been disabled. |
| 22:16.25 | RockSlice | hold on a minute, and I'll upload a file you can test |
| 22:16.29 | Nechckn | Harshmage someone was saying that swattter was running |
| 22:16.43 | Nechckn | Harshmage as to how much- can't tell you yet |
| 22:17.36 | Hirsute | Can you show swatter by clicking the slidebar button? |
| 22:17.38 | Harshmage | Swatter runs, not a problem...works perfectly in its function and recording of errors...but the /swat <command> items must be blocked by the new format |
| 22:17.56 | Nechckn | daveful That is the main point- that with changing things will be different and that is what we are trying to cut away are the "This is new to me" items from the "I've been using this for months and it just started" issues |
| 22:18.11 | Harshmage | mostly I like having /swat clear when I start up with new addons to test |
| 22:19.47 | Nechckn | daveful as for the processing overall, that is different from Classic but has been in place with Advanced since it came out |
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| 22:20.43 | CIA-51 | gatherer: Finished GATH-35 |
| 22:20.43 | CIA-51 | gatherer: Added dropdown box to select which Continent you wanted data for. General graphics/code cleanup. |
| 22:21.22 | daveful | i've been using the regular auctioneer for ages, i've been slow to switch to advanced because while I take your word for it that it's very advanced, the classic version did everything I needed and was easier to grasp.. there just didn't seem to be a need, *for me personally*, to switch to a more confusing version which apparently had super-advanced features that were beyond what i used it for |
| 22:21.24 | Nechckn | daveful if folks who have been using it are seeing new and different behaviour, obviously you can see how that is different. And there is an issue right now where scanning for some halts altogether and those are the ones we are most interested in, so that we can get them able to at least collect some stats again rather than being stuck without being able to use Auc at all |
| 22:22.20 | daveful | i've been trying to switch now because of all the warnings that the old version will not work at all once wotlk comes out, but the pausing after every search is.. it's a problem |
| 22:22.26 | Nechckn | There are changes with Advanced- the biggest being that the stats will no longer disappear after a single Lua file fills and the database will be big enough to fit all of the new items coming out |
| 22:22.43 | RockSlice | daveful: could you try http://up.norganna.org/index.php/l21eGIt/CoreScan.lua instead of your current Addons\Auc-Advanced\CoreScan.lua |
| 22:23.02 | RockSlice | and tell us how if you see any difference? |
| 22:23.17 | RockSlice | (backup your WTF folder, btw) |
| 22:23.39 | Business | about the upload of my outlier bug: is it ok that i upload in .rar format so you can get a "before and after" picture? |
| 22:24.11 | ^nbot | New Feature 03GATH-35 10kandoko: Add Node density reports back to the report window06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/GATH-35 |
| 22:24.14 | Hirsute | Business: It makes it hard for us to easily view the pictures. It would be better for us if you just uploaded the pictures separately and posted two links. |
| 22:24.35 | Nechckn | daveful and that's understandable- but the biggest thing is that the old version will not work pretty soon- we've been working to include such things as a "Classic View" in Advanced and more. One of the main things is Out-of-the-Box settings that work without changes. |
| 22:26.09 | Business | ok |
| 22:26.53 | daveful | i'm getting that file rock, one minute |
| 22:28.40 | daveful | nech, i can get used to the new interface even if there wasn't a classic view, but the pausing between each search is harder to get used to :( |
| 22:30.24 | Nechckn | daveful and there is a request in to change that behaviour- but that likely will not be looked into until after the release of Auctioneer, which is looking to be some time after WotLK |
| 22:30.37 | kandoko | daveful: Since Adv is modular and in alpha tm, it comes with a lot of stat engines enabled. Can you disable the ones you don't personally use and see if it reduces your spikes to a tolerable level? |
| 22:31.01 | kandoko | *enabled by default instead of user choice. |
| 22:31.08 | Nechckn | daveful that's after trying the file RockSlice uploaded |
| 22:31.38 | Business | i just take a sec to get the picture easy to look at |
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| 22:36.05 | Avais | Good afternoon all. |
| 22:36.19 | RockSlice | g'day |
| 22:36.39 | Nechckn | Hi there Avais |
| 22:37.27 | Avais | I've been using Auctioneer for ages, this is the first time I've joined this IRC. |
| 22:37.45 | RockSlice | welcome, welcome |
| 22:37.49 | RockSlice | ~hug Avais |
| 22:37.49 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Avais |
| 22:38.00 | Avais | Haha. Thanks all. |
| 22:41.00 | daveful | i replaced the corescan file, reloaded the ui, disabled the addons other than filter:basic, scandata, and stat:classic.. I wasn't timing the pause after each search before, but it seems slightly faster, down from maybe 4.5 seconds to 3.5-4 seconds of near-freeze |
| 22:41.51 | RockSlice | on the General settings section, try reducing the processing priority to minimum |
| 22:48.43 | Nechckn | we've also had some report that they increased the priority with good results, too so try it both ways |
| 22:49.19 | daveful | ok trying that.. it does let me run several searches in sequence now, but it's queued up a processing bar for each one, and the processing bar takes something around half a minute each time, so now i've got six quick scans and three minutes worth of processing bar (for scans that returned at most a handful of items each) |
| 22:50.42 | daveful | this machine is far from cutting edge, i can believe that auc-adv runs smoothly on something that more up to date.. but i can run a character with around 150 addons, sometimes video playing in another window simultaneously, and (though it does slow down a bit) it just never slows down remotely this much for anything else |
| 22:51.26 | daveful | if the pause between each search is necessary because of intense processing, then it's (apparently) far beyond the processing scope of anythign else I run in conjunction with this game, including the game itself, and including auc-classic (and whatever problems auc classic had internally, on the surface it worked fine for my needs, on this same hardware) |
| 22:52.15 | RockSlice | daveful, can you now try going back to the original corescan, see if you still get smooth behaviour? |
| 22:52.34 | daveful | i'll try that, one minute |
| 22:53.03 | daveful | with the processing priority at minimum? |
| 22:53.20 | RockSlice | yes |
| 22:53.32 | Avais | This is an interesting medium. I have some questions for later, but I gotta split now. Have a good night! |
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| 22:54.09 | RockSlice | the standard corescan has some data protection built-in, and I'm curious if that's what's causing some of the complaints of jitter |
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| 22:56.35 | Business | hi again, i have finally managed to upload my picture of my Outlier problem, who do i send the picture to? |
| 22:56.50 | Nechckn | just put the link here, Business |
| 22:56.59 | Business | ok http://up.norganna.org/index.php/vDGJkoc/Auctioneer%20Outlier%20bug.jpg |
| 22:57.01 | Nechckn | link(sL |
| 22:58.26 | RockSlice | Business: not sure what you think is a bug |
| 22:59.57 | Nechckn | Business when you mouse over them- do the stats seem to take into account the overpriced item, is that the issue? or something else? |
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| 23:02.05 | Business | outlier dont seem to load the data from the WTF folder |
| 23:02.59 | daveful | just going by eye (no stopwatch handy), the behavior looks the same with the normal corescan and the new one.. changing the processing priority to minimum does seem to help inasmuch as I can run several searches in a row without the freeze inbetween each one, it queues up a ~30second processing bar each time and there is still a freeze of a second or two when the bar reaches the end, |
| 23:03.22 | daveful | but it's not nearly as frustrating as the 4-5 second freeze between each search with the default priority setting |
| 23:03.25 | Nechckn | Hmm.. maybe not seeing it there, Business but the contents of the file look like they match with what is being displayed in the gui |
| 23:04.04 | Nechckn | daveful did you try increasing the priority? |
| 23:04.24 | daveful | nech, i tried setting it to highest priority as well, the processing bar zips right across when I do that but there's still a freeze of about 3-4 seconds, *slightly* shorter freeze although the progress bar looks much much faster |
| 23:04.44 | Business | different pct |
| 23:04.56 | daveful | so whatever the freeze is, it's not precisely synced to the progress bar |
| 23:05.22 | RockSlice | Business: what OS do you have? |
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| 23:05.47 | Business | i have WinXP Home |
| 23:07.10 | RockSlice | Business: the example you gave has past data, right? |
| 23:08.37 | RockSlice | ie the price was fairly set before it even had a chance to see that high-priced item? |
| 23:08.37 | Business | what do you mean? |
| 23:08.37 | RockSlice | how many days of stats are you running on? |
| 23:09.06 | RockSlice | if this is your first scan, AucAdv might have seen the high-priced item before the 15 seen count was reached, so wouldn't have rejected it |
| 23:09.15 | Business | did as i described in the picture. |
| 23:09.29 | Business | 0 days of stats |
| 23:09.43 | RockSlice | then outlier is working as intended |
| 23:09.47 | Cera | weird daveful, I don't even get a hiccup for normal searches at any processing priority with a somewhat modest lowend athlon x2 |
| 23:10.15 | RockSlice | it won't reject anything until it's seen it 15 times, according to your settings |
| 23:10.38 | RockSlice | before that, it has no idea what the proper price is, so has no basis for filtering anything |
| 23:10.55 | RockSlice | even when it filters something, you will still see it on the browse panel. |
| 23:11.10 | RockSlice | you will not see it, however, on the Appraiser's competition list, or in SearchUI |
| 23:12.15 | daveful | cera, you get the processing bar and the information in your chat window about "auctioneer advanced finished scanning 0 auctions, 24227 items in db at start, 0 unchanged, 0 new" (etc etc, assuming you haven't disabled that info), but without any pause? |
| 23:12.32 | Cera | yep |
| 23:12.35 | Business | ok i go try adjust from 15 to 1 and see |
| 23:12.37 | daveful | :( |
| 23:12.50 | Cera | what sort of cpu do you have? |
| 23:13.36 | daveful | I think it's some kind of athlon, I don't know, it's 5 years old and certainly needs an upgrade.. but it doesn't have any problems like this with other parts of the game, or with auc classic |
| 23:14.24 | daveful | it seems sufficient for everything I've installed as an addon (and I don't have many problems with applications generally) up until this :( |
| 23:15.11 | ^nbot | New Feature 03GATH-35 10kandoko: Add Node density reports back to the report window06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/GATH-35 |
| 23:15.31 | Nechckn | Do you defrag your machine fairly regularly, clear Internet cache, and all of that fun stuff, daveful? |
| 23:16.02 | daveful | defrag yes, i don't often clear my browser cache though |
| 23:16.03 | Nechckn | that can cause some of the pauses too...not saying it is in your case, just that it can contribute |
| 23:16.42 | Cera | how much ram do you have? |
| 23:16.59 | daveful | 1.5 gigs |
| 23:18.33 | daveful | i usually have a browser running as well, at a minimum, which i could shut down so it's just wow running.. the only point i'm trying to make is that under most other circumstances (other than large raids) i don't end up having to do that to get acceptable performance, the game runs smoothly without requiring it |
| 23:19.03 | daveful | even with a video player running and hogging a fair chunk of the cpu |
| 23:19.11 | Cera | that's more than enough to avoid garbage collection issues |
| 23:20.54 | daveful | i've seen references to the same problem on the norganna.org forums and curse, so even if it's uncommon, it's not *just* me |
| 23:21.59 | Nechckn | daveful Right- we're not saying it's you |
| 23:22.20 | Nechckn | we're trying to see what makes your installation, and those who are seeing the problem, different from the rest |
| 23:24.36 | daveful | that other guy posting about this on the curse forum says he has "spec's A64 2ghz, 2gigs ram and a 9800gtx videocard with an audigy 2 zs soundcard with fairly nice hdd's.", which sounds similar to mine (sounds slightly better than mine), |
| 23:24.39 | daveful | and he says the only other addon that affected his game's performance is questhelper.. for whatever it's worth i've never had performance problems from questhelper |
| 23:24.55 | daveful | bugs that made it crash a couple of times, but never any noticable slowdown |
| 23:29.54 | daveful | for now I guess I'll leave it at low priority, that makes it much more usable for doing multiple small searches in a row.. er.. if I log out in the middle of one of those processing bars that it queues up after a minor search, will that damage my database? |
| 23:36.57 | daveful | or i guess i can keep the priority at a normal level most of the time and just switch it to low whenever i need to search for a lot of items for a trade i'm leveling. |
| 23:37.24 | RockSlice | or just keep it low, and ignore the processing bar |
| 23:37.56 | daveful | yes i think i will try that for now :) |
| 23:37.58 | RockSlice | if you leave the ah, it'll keep processing, and if you logout, it'll finish up the one it's one |
| 23:39.36 | daveful | that sounds like it should work fine for what I need :) thank you for your time and help |
| 23:40.13 | ^nbot | New Feature 03GATH-35 10Esamynn: Add Node density reports back to the report window06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/GATH-35 |
| 23:40.16 | ^nbot | Improvement 03ADV-283 10RockSlice: Remove any way for modules to get direct access to the scandata table.06* (Unconfirmed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-283 |
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