| 00:00.22 | Nechckn | It's either in the current version that is out on the streets or will be in the next version, let me put it that way |
| 00:01.33 | gatherer_user | I see, thanks. Not seeing it under core options of 3.1.1, unless I'm looking at the wrong tab though. Look forward to it though. |
| 00:03.02 | Nechckn | Yeah.. I'm looking and don't see the change right off but know a bunch of work has gone into adding that functionality |
| 00:03.32 | gatherer_user | Well, thanks for letting me know its being worked on. Best of luck to you guys |
| 00:04.44 | Nechckn | http://jira.norganna.org/browse/GATH-46 woops |
| 00:05.04 | Nechckn | Well, it is coming... just not "in" yet for anyone else who reads this =) |
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| 01:26.01 | mascondante | heeeey sup |
| 01:26.31 | mascondante | been a while thought I'd pop in and sey hello ^_^ |
| 01:28.21 | MentalPower | hi |
| 01:28.48 | mascondante | yoyo sup mental power? lol |
| 01:29.06 | MentalPower | not much, you? |
| 02:04.34 | Grumsarg | What does it mean to update via SVN? |
| 02:05.09 | MentalPower | using an svn client to download directly from the author's repository |
| 02:05.11 | MentalPower | ~svn |
| 02:05.12 | purl | Subversion (aka SVN) is version control software that aims to be a better CVS than CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/. |
| 02:05.16 | MentalPower | ~tortoisesvn |
| 02:05.17 | purl | TortoiseSVN is a Windows SVN client that allows access to a Subversion repository. (see http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/) |
| 02:05.24 | MentalPower | ~auctsvn |
| 02:05.29 | MentalPower | ~norgsvn |
| 02:05.35 | MentalPower | hmm... |
| 02:05.38 | MentalPower | meh |
| 02:06.05 | Grumsarg | Hm. So what method would you recommend for keeping updates updated to the lazy-minded? |
| 02:17.49 | MentalPower | ~seen Skosiris |
| 02:17.52 | purl | skosiris <n=sgsdg@modemcable155.156-83-70.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 2d 9h 12m 7s ago, saying: 'I"LL FIX YOU'. |
| 02:22.46 | Grumsarg | Do I need to sign up for WoW Interface in order to use it? |
| 02:28.57 | Grumsarg | MentalPower, what's your WoWi name? I'll say you referred me. |
| 02:30.32 | MentalPower | mentalpower :) |
| 02:30.47 | Grumsarg | Ahh, simplicity. |
| 02:30.57 | MentalPower | you should not need to sign up for wowi to use it |
| 02:31.08 | MentalPower | or rather to download from it |
| 02:31.15 | MentalPower | you need an account to upload |
| 02:32.26 | Grumsarg | It was acting funny. It said to update it, but forgot to close it then try again. Whoops, oh well. |
| 02:33.01 | Grumsarg | The version you download still asks for WoWi name and password. The update will update, but then ask again, making one think the information about updating was false.. |
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| 02:34.18 | MentalPower | huh? |
| 02:34.25 | MentalPower | that doesn't sound right |
| 02:35.17 | Grumsarg | The update only actually takes effect if you close the program after updating.. I'm also kind of hungry so it's possible I'm blundering around and not making sense. |
| 02:35.20 | Shirik | Grumsarg? |
| 02:36.31 | Shirik | Sorry, I'm the author of that |
| 02:36.31 | Shirik | what's the question? (I was in a raid) |
| 02:37.35 | Grumsarg | Hm? |
| 02:37.35 | MentalPower | oh you're using the updater |
| 02:37.35 | MentalPower | I leave you to its creator then ( Shirik ) |
| 02:37.35 | Grumsarg | Okay.. so WoWi is working now.. but I'm confused. How do I use it to check for updates for my AddOns? I know Auctioneer at least has one, to my knowledge. |
| 02:37.50 | Shirik | ok you have to register the addons |
| 02:37.57 | Shirik | I should also point out it pulls the updates from wowi |
| 02:38.13 | Shirik | so auctioneer may have updates at auctioneeraddon.com but not released on wowi, I'm not sure |
| 02:38.13 | Grumsarg | How do I register the Addons? |
| 02:38.18 | Grumsarg | Oooh. |
| 02:38.18 | Shirik | on the menu bar, file->register |
| 02:38.27 | Shirik | you have to do this because otherwise it wouldn't know which addons to look for and which to not |
| 02:38.36 | Shirik | You also have to feed it some information if your addons aren't in your favorites list |
| 02:38.50 | Shirik | if the addons are in your favorites list it typically can auto-detect it, but if it isn't, you'll have to manually specify the ID |
| 02:38.59 | Shirik | you only have to do this once |
| 02:39.51 | Grumsarg | Where do I find the UIDs? |
| 02:39.52 | Shirik | I'm working on better automatic detection, but for now this is what we have |
| 02:39.58 | Shirik | ok if you open up the page on wowi |
| 02:40.02 | Shirik | you'll see the number in the URL |
| 02:40.12 | Shirik | should be a 4 digit number |
| 02:40.31 | Shirik | for example: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7879-AuctioneerAdvanced5.0.0SuitePreview.html |
| 02:40.34 | Shirik | that one is 7879 |
| 02:41.19 | Grumsarg | nods. "How do I find that link in the first place?" |
| 02:41.39 | Shirik | if you did a search from wowinterface.com |
| 02:41.42 | Shirik | on the community page |
| 02:41.51 | Shirik | it's the addon's main page |
| 02:42.01 | Shirik | so from here: http://www.wowinterface.com/community.php |
| 02:42.06 | Shirik | in the top right corner there's a search box |
| 02:42.08 | Grumsarg | Ahh, okay. |
| 02:42.29 | Grumsarg | This.. will take a while it seems.. 43 AddOns.. And I think Auctioneer Advanced is a dozen of them. |
| 02:42.38 | Shirik | oh |
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| 02:42.42 | Shirik | only do it for the main component |
| 02:42.47 | Shirik | the rest will be handled automatically |
| 02:42.57 | Shirik | if you registered them they should be removed when perform an update once |
| 02:43.33 | Shirik | yeah I'm sorry it's a bit difficult at first, but it's the only way we really have to identify addons uniquely |
| 02:43.46 | Shirik | non-ace addons have no way of uniquely identifying themselves globally |
| 02:44.03 | Shirik | if the addons were in your favorites list on wowi, it would be able to detect them automatically |
| 02:44.09 | Shirik | unfortunately if they're not, it'll be a bit harder |
| 02:44.39 | MentalPower | Shirik: what magic pixie dust do ace addons have? |
| 02:44.50 | Grumsarg | Right, I'm adding them to my favorites now.. but.. I added Ace2, Auctioneer Advanced and Auctioneer.. but it then only found Ace2. |
| 02:45.02 | Shirik | there's a few things you could do. The one that stands out the most is the revision number |
| 02:46.23 | Shirik | I should warn you this is a beta application |
| 02:46.32 | Grumsarg | I think I'm using some non-WoWi AddOns.. |
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| 02:46.40 | Grumsarg | I was using WoWMatrix, but was suggested to use something else. |
| 02:46.43 | Shirik | as such the detection algorithm isn't perfect |
| 02:47.23 | Grumsarg | nods. |
| 02:47.42 | Shirik | it's actually probably the thing I tested the least |
| 02:47.42 | Grumsarg | I have this worry that by trying to fix the problem I was having, I'm making more. |
| 02:47.54 | Shirik | you could always just do it manually |
| 02:47.57 | Shirik | I guarantee that works :) |
| 02:48.08 | Shirik | fortunately you only have to do it once |
| 02:49.09 | Grumsarg | Yeah, no time to play WoW anyhow and already started. |
| 02:49.42 | Grumsarg | So when it says Confirm, and gives an authors name and stuff, those are official updates on WoWi but could be old if I went to the auther's own site? |
| 02:50.29 | Shirik | correct |
| 02:50.32 | Shirik | but usually it's right |
| 02:50.39 | MentalPower | most authors don't have their own sites |
| 02:50.53 | Grumsarg | nods. |
| 02:50.57 | Shirik | but I mean, that's the same with any updater |
| 02:51.05 | Grumsarg | Which is often more updated WoWi or Curse? |
| 02:51.23 | Shirik | personally I don't update to curse, but that's just me |
| 02:51.27 | MentalPower | that depends on the author |
| 02:51.30 | Shirik | I'm also biased :P |
| 02:51.36 | MentalPower | Shirik: you don't count :P |
| 02:51.48 | MentalPower | auctioneer updates to both |
| 02:52.32 | Grumsarg | WoWi is saying it reported an internal error.. |
| 02:53.06 | Shirik | ... |
| 02:53.15 | Shirik | the updater is? |
| 02:53.31 | Shirik | or the site? |
| 02:53.50 | Grumsarg | The updater. Internal error has been logged. |
| 02:54.04 | Shirik | I hate my life |
| 02:54.11 | Grumsarg | pats Shirik on the back. |
| 02:54.18 | Shirik | can you look for an error.log file in the place you installed it, then email it to me? |
| 02:54.26 | Grumsarg | Sure. |
| 02:54.41 | Grumsarg | What's the bar in the upper right? It has two green bars now. |
| 02:54.54 | Shirik | total progress |
| 02:55.17 | Grumsarg | Progress for what? |
| 02:55.24 | Grumsarg | What's your e-mail addy? |
| 02:55.51 | Shirik | progress for updating addons. tg.skullshot@gmail.com |
| 02:57.45 | Shirik | and again I apologize for the trouble you've been having. I really haven't had a lot of time to work on that project |
| 02:58.18 | Grumsarg | No problem. Quite happy to help. |
| 02:58.31 | Grumsarg | E-mail sent. And now really must go find food and recover intelligence. |
| 03:02.35 | Shirik | take care, and thanks |
| 03:06.10 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:06.14 | Shirik | it was working correctly |
| 03:07.35 | Shirik | that error that occurred is actually a bug with swing |
| 03:07.44 | Grumsarg | A bug with swing? |
| 03:07.45 | Shirik | I can't fix that, but it shouldn't really cause any issues. I thought I hid it though |
| 03:07.54 | Shirik | swing is a library I use to display the controls you see |
| 03:08.06 | Shirik | it has a strange issue with dynamically displayed progress bars |
| 03:08.26 | Shirik | but did you notice anything broken? |
| 03:08.41 | Shirik | it should have been working correctly, and I don't see anything in the log out of whack (aside from your incorrect passwords :P ) |
| 03:08.42 | Kandoko | Waves @ Grumsarg |
| 03:08.58 | Kandoko | So Beancounter is no longer recording for you, but searches work fine? |
| 03:09.14 | Grumsarg | That was before I updated and knew what I was doing, Shirik. |
| 03:09.19 | Grumsarg | Yes, Kandoko. |
| 03:09.20 | Shirik | heh |
| 03:09.29 | Grumsarg | is idle, just to note. |
| 03:09.39 | Shirik | also, just to make sure the error log gets flushed you should shut down the application before sending the log |
| 03:09.44 | Shirik | but I don't think it will change |
| 03:09.51 | Shirik | did any of the downloads say "internal error" on them? |
| 03:09.56 | Shirik | or just at the bottom status bar? |
| 03:10.42 | Kandoko | Can mouse over the right side of the screen, till a bar pops out, that containes icons for all of auctioneers parts :) Right click on the one that's piprle and looks like 3 coffee beans |
| 03:10.50 | Kandoko | That will open beancounters options |
| 03:11.22 | Kandoko | piprle.....god that's supposed to be purple, sorry long day at work |
| 03:13.05 | Kandoko | <<Beancounters current maintainer :P. Will be around for a bit when you get back Grum |
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| 03:22.46 | Grumsarg | Yeah, I know how to open BeanCounter and it's options. Rely on it a lot for my AH records. But I can't think of anything that's changed besides whatever updates WoWMatrix did. |
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| 03:38.24 | Kandoko | Nah, just wanted you to click on Beancounter Debug Then check Turn on beancounter Debug and uncheck all but Mail and Bid |
| 03:40.32 | Kandoko | Now go to the AH and buyout the lowest priced item you can. Screenshot the chat output and Then go open the mailbox and Screenshot the chat output. Please upload it to http://up.norganna.org/ and paste the links here. |
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| 04:22.15 | Grumsarg | Won't be able to do that quite yet, Kandoko, but will be first thing when I can. In the meantime, what's the latest version, so I know I'm up to date? |
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| 04:34.05 | Grumsarg | watches Shirik leave.. "Anyone else familiar with WoWi? Can't figure out how to resolve Cartographer Modules without an UID." |
| 04:35.04 | Kinesia | Haven't used it sorry! I pretty much try to use the wowace updater apart from auctioneer |
| 04:39.22 | Kinesia | I always find it amusing when people in guild complain "I updated just before the raid and now it doesn't work!!!?!!". Not realising it's more for devs than them. |
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| 05:01.12 | norgjira | Bug 03APPR-147 10ChaosInc: Item not showing in Appraiser06 (Unconfirmed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-147 |
| 05:22.31 | Grumsarg | How do people update Auctioneer? WoWMatix was cautioned against and I'm stumped on WoWi still. Curse or manually seem left. |
| 05:24.27 | ccox | manually |
| 05:30.52 | Grumsarg | Is there more to it then just downloading it from the site and installing? Any precautions people take? |
| 05:40.31 | CIA-47 | auctioneer: 03ccox * r3101 10Enchantrix/ (6 files): (fixes ENX-37) add an option in the enchantrix general tab to reduce chat messages when disenchanting and prospecting |
| 06:10.44 | Grumsarg | Where is Auctioneer/BeanCounter data stored so I can back it up? |
| 06:14.28 | ccox | In WTF/SavedVariables - with all other addon data |
| 06:14.50 | Grumsarg | Ah, okay. |
| 06:20.45 | CIA-47 | auctioneer: 03ccox * r3102 10Enchantrix-Barker/ (BarkerStrings.lua EnchantrixBarker.lua): (fixes EBRK-7) add an explict search string for healing, fix a typo in frost resistance, pick up a lot of new localized strings |
| 06:21.35 | Grumsarg | Erk.. according to WoW, my Ace2 is Incompatible. Wasn't before, but know Auctioneer and features use it. Where do I grab a working version from? |
| 06:22.34 | MentalPower | auctioneer does not use Ace2 |
| 06:23.11 | norgjira | Improvement 03ENX-37 10ccox: add option to limit disenchant and prospect data printed in chat06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ENX-37 |
| 06:23.14 | norgjira | Bug 03EBRK-7 10ccox: Barker and Enchant Waepon - Major Healing06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/EBRK-7 |
| 06:23.53 | Grumsarg | Oh, okay. I have some half-dozen AddOns installed, hard to keep track of what was failing for lack of Ace2. Trying to cut down on variables though. |
| 06:24.44 | Grumsarg | I did get Auctioneer updated and realized I was looking at the wrong line for Revision. I was looking at the actual line called Revision. |
| 06:34.31 | Grumsarg | Ugh, more errors.. unrelated to Auctioneer. |
| 06:36.14 | norgjira | Improvement 03CNFG-38 10Mikk: Investigate going back to native WoW / Lua incremental GC.06 (In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/CNFG-38 |
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| 06:47.09 | Grumsarg | Well.. it seems simply updating to the latest Auctioneer build through the website fixed my problem. Good-bye WowMatrix.. now to solve my new errors. |
| 06:50.01 | Grumsarg | If you have four successful auctions in your mail, does BeanCounter simply lump the total to your wealth or was it supposed to increment it for each individual auction? |
| 06:53.04 | Kinesia | I've never even looked at the wealth field myself... I have no idea! |
| 06:53.45 | Grumsarg | Yeah, it's not important, but was curious. I'm just happy it's working again and that it's no longer missing seller and buyer names. I have such a hunger for details that don't matter.. |
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| 06:54.11 | Mikk | The wealth field might be disappearing. |
| 06:54.27 | Mikk | Since noone can seem to find a sane use for itl. |
| 06:54.35 | Grumsarg | Heh, okay. |
| 06:56.11 | Grumsarg | My new errors relate to Cartographer.. which may have come about from trying WoWi.. Guild Positions, Vendors, and Trainers. |
| 06:56.37 | Grumsarg | Oh, why does the Auctioneer side-bar menu look like it has a spot for another button? |
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| 07:38.01 | tedrek | I just put up a quick patch to clamp the minimum bid in Appraiser to the vendor value + AH cut. http://norganna.pastey.net/87434 |
| 07:39.27 | tedrek | Any devs feel free... |
| 07:39.59 | Mikk | Not a bad idea, as an option. |
| 07:41.25 | Grumsarg | I've had a working theory that, for items not previously seen, to double the VendMarkUp price. Think it's worked alright for selling unknown goods. |
| 07:41.56 | Mikk | scan more and you won't have unknowns :o) |
| 07:42.12 | Mikk | or maybe i'm fooling myself |
| 07:42.34 | Mikk | my appraiser evaluator is set to use -purchased as base stat, and requires a couple seen too |
| 07:42.39 | Grumsarg | I scan about every day, sometimes three times. |
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| 08:22.06 | CIA-47 | auctioneer: 03Mikk * r3103 10Auc-Util-Appraiser/ (AprFrame.lua AprSettings.lua): APPR-148: Add option to clamp bid/buy to vendorprice+AH cut minimum. Default on. Change low price warnings to use +AH cut, and "<=" rather than "<". |
| 08:39.12 | norgjira | Improvement 03APPR-148 10Mikk: Add option to clamp minbid (and thereby buyout) to vendorprice + AH cut06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-148 |
| 08:50.43 | Mikk | purl, botmail for tedrek: I implemented the patch you submited (with some additional touch-ups): http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-148 |
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| 22:01.02 | PlasmaHH | hi people, Im sure someone here know... shouldnt the prices be signed 32bit integers? |
| 22:01.26 | Shirik | uh |
| 22:01.39 | Shirik | sure, but what difference does that make? |
| 22:01.44 | Shirik | they're not actually |
| 22:01.47 | Shirik | they're doubles |
| 22:01.57 | Shirik | but you don't see that from the Lua side |
| 22:02.24 | PlasmaHH | ah ok. that would explain why I can see 4015942448 |
| 22:02.50 | Shirik | actually 32 bits really isn't enough to store everything imo |
| 22:02.55 | Shirik | that's only just under 5k gold |
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| 22:03.15 | Shirik | 64 bit integer, sure, but in Lua it's a double |
| 22:04.45 | PlasmaHH | 32 bit unsigned would be 429k ... 4294967296 k, 42949672s, 429496g ... and there are somewhere rumours about people getting some "gold limit" error messages when they reach 214748g36s48k |
| 22:05.21 | Shirik | 429k? |
| 22:05.24 | Shirik | 429k what? |
| 22:05.33 | Shirik | I'll give you the answer, 429k copper |
| 22:05.42 | Shirik | divide that by 1000000 |
| 22:06.18 | Shirik | given the numbers that are being complained about, I'm going to assume they are private servers that were poorly coded |
| 22:06.25 | PlasmaHH | k=copper |
| 22:06.38 | PlasmaHH | 4015942448 is a buyout price I just had from a live server |
| 22:06.43 | Shirik | oh sorry I misread what you said :P |
| 22:06.57 | Shirik | oh wow, it's not divide by 1000000 it's divide by 10000 go me |
| 22:07.10 | PlasmaHH | late there? need coffee? ;) |
| 22:07.22 | Shirik | ah well, in Lua it's a double. On Blizzard's side, I have no idea what they wrote. It could be a 32 bit integer |
| 22:07.42 | PlasmaHH | well, obviously not. at least not for the buyout price. |
| 22:07.54 | PlasmaHH | I will anyways then better use.. hm.. a double to store the values |
| 22:08.08 | Shirik | you will? |
| 22:08.30 | PlasmaHH | I will. |
| 22:08.40 | Shirik | in Lua? |
| 22:08.45 | PlasmaHH | no, in C++ |
| 22:08.52 | Shirik | where are you coding that? |
| 22:09.01 | PlasmaHH | at my laptop? ;) |
| 22:09.17 | Shirik | I'm just trying to figure out the link between you and wow |
| 22:09.37 | PlasmaHH | the internet ;) well, actually I read in some auction house dumps I did via some C++ program |
| 22:10.10 | PlasmaHH | hm, 4 seems to be 48, 3 24, and 2 12 hours.. but whats 1 ? |
| 22:13.35 | Shirik | the times have changed |
| 22:13.39 | Shirik | but 1 is the "very short" time |
| 22:14.11 | Shirik | used to be 30 minutes, probably now something like 2 hours |
| 22:15.11 | PlasmaHH | hm, I would need to have it more accurate... |
| 22:16.02 | Shirik | you don't get that information |
| 22:16.07 | Shirik | only the 4 duration groups |
| 22:17.14 | PlasmaHH | I know. ok, so I better ignore them you think? |
| 22:18.06 | Shirik | if that's not suitable for you |
| 22:18.10 | Shirik | guess so |
| 22:18.27 | PlasmaHH | well, I would need a guaranteed upper bound |
| 22:20.56 | Shirik | well you know what the upper bound is |
| 22:21.33 | Shirik | it's in-game |
| 22:21.56 | PlasmaHH | ok, so I set it for all to 48 hours then |
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| 22:27.43 | PlasmaHH | oops, somewhat stupid idea to use : as a seperator for the various fields in my dump |
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| 23:39.57 | Marietsy | hello? |
| 23:51.48 | MentalPower | I do not know how to answer that question :P |
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