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| 00:25.07 | wolf | http://wolfgang-city.myminicity.com/ |
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| 01:16.44 | Gnomey | Good evening. I just setup a new computer, and installed a fresh auctioneer advanced. (I did not install classic) I turned on the feature to check your back for DE items, and nothing is happening. Am I missing an option somewhere? Thanks! |
| 01:18.05 | Gnomey | BTW I am using 2616 |
| 01:22.50 | RockSlice | are you talking about Enchantrix's auto-disenchant |
| 01:22.52 | RockSlice | ? |
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| 01:25.33 | Gnomey | Yes |
| 01:26.16 | RockSlice | where is your toon? |
| 01:26.58 | Gnomey | Org |
| 01:27.07 | Gnomey | I tried both an enchanter and a jewelcrafter |
| 01:35.23 | Kinesia | I saw your post on the forums, I was going to ask... Are your skills high enough to DE the stuff in your bags? (I presume so, but worth checking) |
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| 03:45.13 | norgjira | Improvement 03APPR-61 10RockSlice: Add config choice to not auto-select items after posting.06 (Unconfirmed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-61 |
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| 03:55.35 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: 03RockSlice * r2664 10BtmScan/EvalAppraiser.lua: |
| 03:55.35 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: fixes BTMS-70: EvalAppraiser will cause an error when used without Auc-Util-Appraiser loaded |
| 03:55.35 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: It will no longer load unless Auc-Util-Appraiser is loaded. |
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| 04:44.12 | norgjira | Bug 03BTMS-70 10RockSlice: EvalAppraiser will bug out without Auc-Util-Appraiser loaded06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/BTMS-70 |
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| 05:00.21 | Amnesia | . |
| 05:00.23 | Amnesia | hi |
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| 05:00.57 | RockSlice | goodbye |
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| 05:31.14 | mattbnr | helo all |
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| 05:37.02 | mattbnr | anyone have any opinions on what is a good model to use for main and alternate pricing for appraiser |
| 05:37.26 | mattbnr | i am using std dev for primary and wowecon for alternate right now and have markdown set at 5% |
| 05:40.59 | Kinesia | Generally it'll almost always use Std dev in that case because it usually has values. I've just fixed Purchased and am testing it, but don't think it's completely useful in it's current state. A mix of it and beancounter data would be good for an average purchased price... |
| 05:46.24 | Kinesia | Currently I'm experimenting with Purchased as default and Market as 2nd. I think market is probably the best fallback, since it averages all the other stats it should theoretically have values more often than any single other option. Wowecon worked really well as primary, but now I've built up a lot of data I prefer stddev |
| 06:03.52 | mattbnr | So it uses these when buying AND selling or jsut when you sell as ive noticed when i changed my settings from default market to std and wowecon it uses std when posting if there is competition but if ther is no dat(no comp) it uses wowecon is this behavior right? |
| 06:15.15 | mattbnr | Laso if i never want to go above market when posting do i set eh above market to 0% right and never below to 0% |
| 06:18.08 | Kinesia | EvalAppraiser uses them for buying, Appraiser uses them for Selling. EvalResale uses Market price always. |
| 06:18.31 | mattbnr | ok question i have my above market and below set to 0% and my undercut set to 5% when i post i am using the std dev model thru appraiser how come when i post its at 118% if i have it set to 0% above market? |
| 06:19.01 | Kinesia | std dev shouldn't be due to competition, just whether it has data or not. If you've never seen it at an auction then yes it won't show up. So for now it sounds like Wowecon for a fallback is a good plan for you until you get more data. |
| 06:19.24 | mattbnr | i have data i have scanned everyday for over 3 months |
| 06:19.51 | Kinesia | I'm not sure, it doesn't sound like it should be doing that, no. |
| 06:19.52 | mattbnr | it says no data if in the last scan ther was no competition |
| 06:20.35 | mattbnr | liek right now its saying data is 1 day old if i was to hit refresh and there was no competition(no one else selling that item) it woudl say no data for XX item |
| 06:20.56 | mattbnr | and it woudl use the wowecon pricing model insteead of std |
| 06:21.12 | Kinesia | StdDev works on almost every item for me now, so I find it odd that it's not always working for you... |
| 06:21.22 | mattbnr | nvm i was reading it wrong |
| 06:21.28 | mattbnr | my bad |
| 06:21.41 | mattbnr | i had it set to use wowecon and one item |
| 06:21.44 | mattbnr | on** |
| 06:22.11 | Kinesia | The pricing description in Default (StdDev) changes to Default (WowEcon) when it's using the other one, so it's easy to spot. |
| 06:22.58 | mattbnr | ok question do i need to minus the auction house fees from the disenchatn eval? there is no cut unless it sells right? |
| 06:23.13 | mattbnr | from projected profit i mean |
| 06:23.34 | Kinesia | Yeah that's right. For enchanting items it shouldn't make much of a difference. |
| 06:23.36 | mattbnr | did you get to eat your roast yet? |
| 06:23.44 | Kinesia | Nah, be a few hours. Smile. |
| 06:23.57 | mattbnr | oh ok |
| 06:24.22 | mattbnr | im only a lvl 75 enchanter i have my min profit set to 50s and my min discount set to 1% |
| 06:25.20 | mattbnr | i dont see the point in having a min discount on the DE eval as it dont really matter what the discount is on the item only the mats yolu get from it |
| 06:25.53 | mattbnr | it really only matters what you buy the item for compared to the price of the reagents you get from said item |
| 06:26.25 | mattbnr | it dont matter if its discounted 90% or 9% only the final price matters |
| 06:34.24 | mattbnr | and most of the tiem you are gonna lose money because you only get the cheapest reagents form said item 75% of the time |
| 06:35.21 | mattbnr | form=from |
| 06:37.59 | Kinesia | The %discount is from the reagent price not the item price. So it does do that. But it's fixed on market price I think, you can't change it currently except by using the Fixed Values in enchantrix itself |
| 06:38.24 | Kinesia | So you really want %discount about 50% then you won't usually lose money. |
| 06:38.37 | mattbnr | hmm so ive been going about it all wrong then |
| 06:38.43 | mattbnr | NO WONDER I LOSE MONEY |
| 06:39.19 | mattbnr | so the % discount is how much different the item is prices compared to the value of all the possible reagents you can DE from the item? |
| 06:39.33 | Kinesia | Grin. I finally got 5000 gold the other week... Then dropped back to 3000 again because I was experimenting with settings too much and lost heaps. |
| 06:40.54 | mattbnr | so it takes a+b+c=d then takes d/3=e then e compared % to the item price |
| 06:40.55 | Kinesia | It works out the expected value of the reagents, if something has a 4% chance to turn up then it includes 4% of that price, 70% of the common ones price and 26 percent of the other. So the price it works from is the statistical average price if you disenchanted a lot of them. |
| 06:41.43 | mattbnr | ok i got it hmm so all valuse at 100% is the best approach then i need to tuen up my min discount to 20% since im at a lwo level ? |
| 06:41.51 | mattbnr | low* |
| 06:42.16 | Kinesia | Yep and if you are still losing money in the long run just keep putting the discount up until you dont. |
| 06:42.38 | mattbnr | see alot of people dont care how something works they just want it to work im different i want to knwo HOW it came up with the values |
| 06:42.51 | mattbnr | HOW something works |
| 06:56.10 | Kinesia | Nodnod. Probably better to start up with really high discounts, get very few but good deals, and then slowly make your discounts lower. Less risky that way. (Still, what's life without a bit of risk!) |
| 07:07.09 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: 03Kinesia * r2665 10Auc-Stat-Purchased/StatPurchased.lua: |
| 07:07.09 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: Fixes Purchased price when used as a Pricing scheme in Appraiser. PURC-2 |
| 07:07.09 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: (Problem due to GetFaction now returning Realm-Faction instead of just Faction like it used to.) |
| 07:09.30 | Kinesia | PS: I wouldn't actually recommend using it as a pricing scheme at the moment though, there are potential risks when you buy something out and repost it because what you bought it for gets included in the purchased stats and may skew your repost price if you aren't paying attention... |
| 07:22.05 | mattbnr | so start at liek 50% then go down liek 2% at a time till i find a good number of auctions |
| 07:22.56 | mattbnr | all i do is DE so all i am reposting is the reagents |
| 07:26.03 | mattbnr | thanks for help tongiht kinesia im starting to understand how the evals work at least |
| 07:26.14 | mattbnr | im going to bed im tired i hope your roast is good |
| 07:32.39 | Kinesia | Night matt! |
| 07:33.38 | mattbnr|sleep | lol later man |
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| 12:48.08 | zczxczx | Did any of you guy hear the news about that mod-creater thingy that just got released? |
| 12:48.10 | zczxczx | on curse |
| 12:48.42 | break19 | fitting, eh? |
| 12:50.05 | zczxczx | Huh? |
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| 13:44.23 | Gnomey | Good morning. I have installed Auctioneer Advanced 2616 on a new system. However I am not able to auto DE or Prospect anything (375 skill) Is this bugged again, or is there a setting I am missing? Thanks! |
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| 14:27.07 | LOCKYPOO | so im new to autioneer, can anyone explain the "training sessions" |
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| 16:04.27 | Og_0081 | hi all |
| 16:05.28 | Og_0081 | I have a technical question regarding the CoreConst.lua for AA |
| 16:05.38 | Og_0081 | anyone familiar with that file? |
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| 16:07.32 | Og_0081 | hmmm, not sure if my firewall is letting my comments through |
| 16:08.09 | Og_0081 | anyone here and breathing |
| 16:08.11 | Og_0081 | :) |
| 16:08.52 | RockSlice | hi |
| 16:08.56 | RockSlice | ask away |
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| 16:09.01 | Og_0081 | Hi RockSlice! |
| 16:09.23 | Og_0081 | i'm curious about what the ID field is (not ItemID) |
| 16:09.44 | Og_0081 | looks unique, but since Bliz doesn't dish that out AA must be creating it |
| 16:10.21 | Og_0081 | i'm loading a small data mart with the AA data for trending and want to know how reliable that field is to identify an auction |
| 16:10.47 | Og_0081 | this is in CoreConst.lua for AA in case that didn't come through before |
| 16:10.57 | RockSlice | I'm looking |
| 16:11.03 | Og_0081 | thx |
| 16:11.30 | Og_0081 | i know I'm going to have to create a slew of biz rules to keep from double counting auctions |
| 16:11.49 | Og_0081 | but if that ID is in any way reliable that will save me some work |
| 16:12.09 | Og_0081 | I just need to know how conservative I need to be |
| 16:12.14 | RockSlice | I think that's AA's internal ID number for the auction |
| 16:13.00 | RockSlice | used in CoreScan.lua, if you want to look more closely at how it's used |
| 16:15.44 | Og_0081 | thx...to clarify, this sounds like this id is not created in any way to identify an auction from one scan to the next |
| 16:16.21 | Og_0081 | but AA (or at least AC) used to have some way of identifying one auction from scan to scan |
| 16:16.40 | Og_0081 | there's a summary at the end of the scans that state how many have been changed |
| 16:16.48 | Og_0081 | ...or am I loosing my mind |
| 16:17.48 | RockSlice | no, you're not |
| 16:18.10 | RockSlice | I'll explain in a bit. my toon's in the middle of something |
| 16:18.17 | Og_0081 | lol...np |
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| 16:23.36 | Gnomey | With Auctioner Advanced, is there a way to see the classic view under the browse tab? |
| 16:23.56 | RockSlice | Gnomey: turn off CompactUI in the options |
| 16:24.31 | RockSlice | Og_0081: At the end of the scan, AA builds a lookup table of all the auctions it knows about that fit the search criteria |
| 16:25.26 | RockSlice | it then checks the new items against this lookup table, and if it finds a match, it updates it |
| 16:25.55 | Og_0081 | and it keeps the same ID for it? |
| 16:26.06 | Og_0081 | the ID is definitely growing |
| 16:26.07 | RockSlice | yes |
| 16:26.13 | RockSlice | I think so |
| 16:26.32 | RockSlice | data[Const.ID] = oldItem[Const.ID] |
| 16:26.35 | Og_0081 | cool, so it does look like I can trust AA to flag what it believes are existing or new auctions |
| 16:26.51 | RockSlice | for new items, it gets a new ID |
| 16:26.52 | Og_0081 | i can use that when I load new data into the tables |
| 16:26.54 | Og_0081 | awesome |
| 16:27.23 | Og_0081 | thx RockSlice |
| 16:27.37 | RockSlice | np |
| 16:27.58 | Og_0081 | one more question while you are being so generous...the TIME field, what do the different values represent? |
| 16:28.20 | Gnomey | Rockslice, I can find anything but that option box.. (I've seen it before) I can find appraiser, enchantrix, bottomscanner, beancounter |
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| 16:28.41 | RockSlice | Util Modules - CompactUI |
| 16:29.01 | RockSlice | under the AucAdv options |
| 16:31.26 | Gnomey | Thanks! found it |
| 16:35.52 | RockSlice | Og_0081: that is the time it was seen last, or that auction was seen first, not sure. looking for where it's set |
| 16:41.28 | Og_0081 | doh, you're right on that - it's a timestamp |
| 16:41.40 | RockSlice | it's the last time it was seen |
| 16:41.54 | Og_0081 | where does that time originate from - Realm time, client time, server time, GMT, etc. |
| 16:42.07 | RockSlice | curTime = time() |
| 16:42.11 | Og_0081 | so client side |
| 16:42.16 | Og_0081 | gotchya |
| 16:42.47 | RockSlice | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_time |
| 16:42.49 | Og_0081 | what I was looking at, and got confused, was the TLEFT - is there a reference for what each number represents |
| 16:42.54 | RockSlice | local |
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| 16:43.47 | RockSlice | no reference that I know of, except what's in CoreConst |
| 16:43.57 | Og_0048 | doh, enabled popups to hit that link and it reloaded the page :) |
| 16:45.20 | Og_0048 | ok, i'll try digging through to find out what the 1,2,3,4 correspond to |
| 16:45.25 | Og_0048 | brb |
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| 17:05.13 | norgjira | Improvement 03BCNT-51 10kandoko: Reorganize beancounter columns06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/BCNT-51 |
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| 17:41.56 | Ooogy | yo yo yo |
| 17:42.14 | RockSlice | yo |
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| 18:54.14 | Polarina | In Gatherer, when I click on "Select these", it doesn't select all of my nodes. How come? |
| 18:54.25 | Polarina | And I can't select them manually. |
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| 19:41.14 | norgjira | New Feature 03ENX-14 10DEbox: link needed between Enchantrix and Appraiser (fixed) prices 06* (Unconfirmed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ENX-14 |
| 19:45.19 | Polarina | In my opinion, Gatherer should use ChatThrottleLib. |
| 19:45.35 | Kandoko | why? |
| 19:46.42 | Polarina | So it doesn't halt at every 25 nodes it sends and uses the allowed bandwidth to the max, respecting all other addons that uses the addon channel. |
| 19:47.22 | Polarina | Gatherer then sends all the nodes in one go through the library and then the library takes care of sending it without the risk if a disconnect. |
| 19:47.45 | Kandoko | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.04 | Polarina | Kandoko: I don't trust that database fully, and I use that feature often. |
| 19:48.10 | Polarina | Sharing between friends. |
| 19:49.22 | Polarina | http://www.wowwiki.com/ChatThrottleLib |
| 19:51.05 | Polarina | That library is awesome. Just like escaping strings in SQL staements is now obselete and prone to errors. |
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| 19:57.03 | Polarina | How does it sound? Do you like it? |
| 19:57.36 | Kandoko | sounds interesting but Esamynn|Away is the one you'd wan to talk to |
| 19:58.00 | Polarina | Esamynn|Away: Ping? |
| 20:22.44 | MentalPower | Polarina: we know about CTL, we were here when Mikk originally created and later released it, we did not originally want to include CTL due to TTR issues. I believe that we are planning to include it in some later Gatherer release. |
| 20:22.57 | Polarina | TTR? |
| 20:23.13 | MentalPower | Time To Release |
| 20:23.23 | Polarina | Ok. |
| 21:11.31 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: 03ccox * r2666 10Enchantrix/EnxAutoDisenchant.lua: make autoDE work even if user has not scanned AH for material prices |
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| 23:16.14 | norgjira | New Feature 03ENX-14 10DEbox: link needed between Enchantrix and Appraiser (fixed) prices 06 (Unconfirmed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ENX-14 |
| 23:18.29 | nikeplektrum- | Any cool differences bewtwwen the dev version and the preview version? |
| 23:18.48 | RockSlice | a lot |
| 23:19.36 | nikeplektrum- | I tried to isntall it once, but then i saw that i was putting all the files in the wrong directories =/ |
| 23:19.52 | nikeplektrum- | install* |
| 23:22.44 | nikeplektrum- | Auctioneer ALL includes all the pieces? |
| 23:22.58 | RockSlice | you need Libs ALL as well |
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| 23:23.49 | nikeplektrum- | Ok. Libs ALL is 2 days older |
| 23:24.18 | RockSlice | because the libraries haven't had a code change in 2 days |
| 23:24.29 | nikeplektrum- | Guessed so |
| 23:29.02 | nikeplektrum- | and the libs are meanth to be put where`? in the modules folder? |
| 23:29.46 | RockSlice | both the Libs and the Auctioneer All zips get extracted to the Addons folders |
| 23:29.53 | nikeplektrum- | ok |
| 23:30.13 | RockSlice | just remember to delete the extra folders if you go back to using the preview builds |
| 23:30.18 | nikeplektrum- | yup |
| 23:30.23 | nikeplektrum- | now let's try it out |
| 23:41.29 | nikeplektrum- | What does that processing bar I got mean? |
| 23:41.44 | RockSlice | it means it's processing the data from the scan |
| 23:42.02 | RockSlice | you can give it more or less processing priority, if you want |
| 23:42.16 | nikeplektrum- | Yup, trying it out atm |
| 23:42.36 | RockSlice | it replaces the huge end-of-scan lag spike |
| 23:42.54 | nikeplektrum- | ah |
| 23:43.18 | nikeplektrum- | The scans have been very quick lately. But I always get a lot of "missed item" wich I guess is bad |
| 23:43.36 | RockSlice | no, it's not |
| 23:43.47 | RockSlice | missed just means they weren't seen |
| 23:43.51 | nikeplektrum- | ok |
| 23:44.03 | RockSlice | they're either bought out, cancelled, or were inbetween pages |
| 23:44.37 | nikeplektrum- | Earlier I used btmscan during scans, but now I can'd since btmscan isn't keeping up with the speed of the scan |
| 23:44.57 | RockSlice | it should be |
| 23:45.06 | RockSlice | AA waits for BTM to be finished with a page |
| 23:45.23 | nikeplektrum- | Ok, It didnät for me afew weeks ago |
| 23:45.37 | nikeplektrum- | so I started doing manual searches instead |
| 23:46.55 | nikeplektrum- | Nope, doesnät seem to wait for btmscan |
| 23:47.13 | nikeplektrum- | doesn't |
| 23:47.51 | RockSlice | hrm. it's been working fine for me. Are you sure your btmscan settings are correct? |
| 23:48.15 | nikeplektrum- | Think so |
| 23:48.38 | nikeplektrum- | It finds the items when i browse, but not when I use scan |
| 23:48.58 | nikeplektrum- | when I browse i have to wait a few seconds for it to show if there is anything to buy |
| 23:49.01 | RockSlice | what button are you using to scan? |
| 23:49.11 | nikeplektrum- | the play button on top |
| 23:50.31 | RockSlice | weird |
| 23:51.00 | dracos99 | ~auctstuff |
| 23:51.01 | purl | I know about the following topics (type one for more info): ~aucdeletesv, ~auctioneerbeta, ~auctioneersvn, ~auctfaq, ~auctdownload, ~auctinstall, ~auctupdate, ~enxstatus, ~norgjira, ~norgbug <nickname>, ~recruitingdrive, ~transferdata |
| 23:52.02 | RockSlice | nikeplektrum-: so pushing play won't pick up any items, but if you then hit Stop (cancelling the search) and press search, and manually page through, it will? |
| 23:56.45 | nikeplektrum- | It will pick up a few items, but a lot more if i browse manually |
| 23:57.03 | nikeplektrum- | 30+ items if i browse and maybe 10 if i search |
| 23:57.30 | RockSlice | are any of these items the same? eg 5 in a row on the page? |
| 23:58.46 | tim|imac | holy crap... latest build preview of AA speeds things up nicely! |
| 23:59.01 | nikeplektrum- | @RockSlice yeah. I think it picks up only some pages |
| 23:59.23 | tim|imac | i get almost 35 auctions/sec |
| 23:59.28 | tim|imac | with btmscan on... |