| 00:00.04 | name | i know |
| 00:00.10 | name | i changed it in the options |
| 00:00.15 | name | but it doesnt change the prices |
| 00:00.39 | RockSlice | you have "match competition" checked? |
| 00:00.44 | name | yes |
| 00:01.23 | RockSlice | the competition you want to undercut is more than the (max below market) and less than (max above market)? |
| 00:01.46 | name | yes |
| 00:02.02 | RockSlice | can you give examples? numbers? |
| 00:02.07 | name | holdon |
| 00:02.37 | name | i was using the old version of aadv im updating to the new one from dec 2 |
| 00:02.39 | Sabriath | rockslice: i really never got the addon to work under that either, in fact, it still registers "undercutting by 5%" in yellow when listing an item even though i specifcally said 1% to be used |
| 00:03.06 | name | yea thats what i mean |
| 00:03.18 | RockSlice | are you using the Appraiser pane to post? |
| 00:03.22 | name | yes |
| 00:03.36 | Sabriath | i do my own pricing under appraiser...but i'm talking about the auction tab |
| 00:03.54 | RockSlice | AA does all the posting in Appraiser tab |
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| 00:04.22 | Sabriath | then there should be on option for the regular then, shouldn't there |
| 00:04.25 | RockSlice | the "undercutting by 5%" in the tooltip is AC's entry. AA's undercut doesn't put anything into the tooltip |
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| 00:05.21 | RockSlice | Sabriath: what do you mean? |
| 00:05.27 | Drewski | Could someone tell me if there is a way to have BTM scanner use Wowecon prices instead of whichever valuation it's using now. |
| 00:05.51 | Sabriath | well, i like to list items at 1% undercut, so i don't get bought by relisters as much, and drain as much money out of the pop as i can |
| 00:06.00 | Sabriath | so...on single items, i use the auction tab |
| 00:06.17 | RockSlice | Drewski: only by using Wowecon prices in Appraiser and using the "appraiser" evaluator |
| 00:06.46 | RockSlice | AA doesn't do anything with the auction tab |
| 00:07.08 | Sabriath | that's my point rockslice....AC option for % undercut should be in the options screen |
| 00:07.27 | Sabriath | as well as controlling which valuations people would like to see or use for evaluating |
| 00:07.44 | name | is there a way i can set it to undercut by 1 copper plz? |
| 00:08.03 | Sabriath | that's a little disturbing name |
| 00:08.04 | RockSlice | name: not currently. It has already been requested, though |
| 00:08.24 | name | it would be better for the economy |
| 00:08.39 | Sabriath | not really...i drop 1 s and round copper to 86 |
| 00:08.48 | name | if everyone kept on under cutting by 5% that would not be good if it keeps going forever |
| 00:08.50 | Sabriath | because 86 to people looks nicer |
| 00:09.05 | RockSlice | Sabriath: so you want to set the prices for things in AA's interface, post them in AC's interface, and set the controls for AC in AA's config GUI? |
| 00:09.07 | Sabriath | it doesn't go forever...auctions get bought, and expire |
| 00:09.37 | Sabriath | no...what i want is options for AC stuff, instead of it being ...how do i put it....gay? |
| 00:10.15 | Drewski | I'm using just the appraiser evaluator and in the auctioneer settings have appraiser set to use wowecon prices for primary and secondary. But when an auction comes up for my to buy/bid the price is way different than the wowecon tooltip price :/ |
| 00:10.15 | Sabriath | in a real economy of 48 hour auctions with high deposit fees and cut fees....average of an item has no meaning |
| 00:10.22 | RockSlice | but are you using AA or AC primarily? |
| 00:10.30 | Sabriath | both |
| 00:11.35 | name | the deposit price for talasite is crazy, 1.8g for item that auctions for < 10g |
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| 00:11.40 | Sabriath | i use AA for posting MY prices of bulk items such as dusts/essences/shards....but i use AC when i auction single items like equipment, but then i do my own searches because an item may seem to go for 5g, but "of the whale" isn't very popular |
| 00:12.48 | Sabriath | what i do is...say it was a i don't know...cutlass sword...what i'd do instead of seeing what THAT item goes for, i look for all swords within 1 level of that sword and see what the lowest price is |
| 00:13.05 | Sabriath | then i figure if it's worth undercutting |
| 00:13.28 | name | i control a large monopoly in the gem industry in my server |
| 00:13.43 | Sabriath | i control pretty much my entire economy lol |
| 00:13.47 | name | everyday i conduct large transactions of over 2000-3000g |
| 00:13.48 | RockSlice | Sabriath: you can set AC's undercut percent by the slash command /auctioneer pct-underlow <percent> |
| 00:14.09 | name | i have a real chinese gold farmer farming mats for me everyday |
| 00:14.26 | Sabriath | rockslice: but that only goes on THAT items cost....and people go to the auction house to look for **AN** item...not just THAT item |
| 00:14.37 | Sabriath | unless it's a set, like defias |
| 00:14.49 | Sabriath | or blue/purple |
| 00:15.11 | RockSlice | so you want an undercut module that will undercut based on the prices of "similar" items? |
| 00:15.18 | Sabriath | name: i buy out the entire auction house every week |
| 00:15.26 | Sabriath | exactly |
| 00:15.28 | Sabriath | but |
| 00:15.46 | Sabriath | not just undercut that....show me the price...so i can determine if d/e is better, or to hold the item a couple days, etc. |
| 00:16.47 | RockSlice | so if you had a green lvl 50 mail shoulder of the bear, what would be "similar"? |
| 00:17.17 | Sabriath | level 48 to level 52 mail shoulders |
| 00:17.34 | Sabriath | sometimes i'll even go to 45, because of the whole "twink at 8-9" deal |
| 00:17.36 | name | wow entire AH |
| 00:17.41 | RockSlice | do you include "of the whale", "of the owl", "of Intellect", ...? |
| 00:18.03 | Sabriath | absolutely nothing in the name...just ALL greens within 2 levels (1 level for below 40 items) |
| 00:19.07 | Sabriath | everyone has their tastes on what stats they want to build up...so sometimes whale might sell better than others...or the next day monky will |
| 00:19.51 | RockSlice | so for every item, in order to get the undercut price, AA would have to check every item in the snapshot, see whether it matches the requirements, and then show you a list of those items |
| 00:20.27 | Sabriath | no, i was more thinking of a stat module to keep track of listing, and then have AA have the ability to use that stat module in undercutting |
| 00:21.00 | Sabriath | on each item pass, it would sort several range lists of item prices of bids and buyouts |
| 00:21.21 | Sabriath | it can show you the average within a specific range, or the minimum buyout |
| 00:21.45 | RockSlice | any module that keeps track of "similar" items would require a lot of computation, not to mention memory |
| 00:22.04 | RockSlice | and nobody would agree as to what constitutes a "similar" item |
| 00:22.12 | Sabriath | not really....because each item is passed to the stat module ANYWAY...so all it does is say "oh, this is level X, it goes in this list" |
| 00:22.23 | Sabriath | but you don't store the entire dataset...just the bid/buyout of that item as it crosses |
| 00:23.08 | RockSlice | but what if someone wants to compare via the property (of the owl, etc)? |
| 00:23.18 | Sabriath | then they are retarded? |
| 00:23.50 | Sabriath | like i said...it depends on the person and WHEN they decide to purchase equipment that determines which "of the" item will sell |
| 00:23.58 | RockSlice | no. if you're looking at leather gear, of the monkey sells better than the others, because rogues like it |
| 00:24.06 | Sabriath | so to compare "of the" across the board is kinda dumb |
| 00:24.17 | name | do you make lot of gold buying the entire auction house? |
| 00:24.46 | Sabriath | name: i'd like to think i have the most gold in the entire server |
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| 00:25.20 | RockSlice | if you're looking at plate or mail, "of the owl" doesn't sell well compared to other properties for the same item |
| 00:25.23 | Sabriath | and i do it to please people more, because high priced items average out the low priced ones, so when i relist in bulk, the prices actually drop |
| 00:26.23 | Sabriath | ok, i don't know the stats on item names...but i know that when **I** go for an item, i just buyout the cheapest, not caring what stats it gives me, because i'm building up, not trying to twink |
| 00:26.32 | Sabriath | and it would seem a lot of noobs do the same thing |
| 00:26.42 | Sabriath | so to undercut the entire mass, would yield a 100% chance sale |
| 00:27.15 | Sabriath | when an item deposit fee is 50s, and you are trying to sell it for 3g...that doesn't quite make it a fair chance...so, you have to make sure it sells |
| 00:27.43 | Sabriath | i would rather lose 30s on an item because i undercut too much, then 50s on an item because it didn't sell |
| 00:27.52 | Sabriath | duh |
| 00:29.25 | Sabriath | but it doesn't matter...i had a HUGE idea the other day...why even use the auction house, why not create an auctioning p2p type selling suite |
| 00:29.51 | RockSlice | what I'm trying to explain is this: if we put out a module that does what you want, it would have to be usable by people who have completely different methods at the AH, which would be extremely difficult to code, would take a lot of processing power and a ton of memory |
| 00:30.07 | Sabriath | where you can "move" an item into this mod and set a price for it, and others can actually search for it and see who is selling what....we could even allow enchantment sales to be entered |
| 00:30.12 | RockSlice | you are free however, to make a module yourself to do exactly and only what you want |
| 00:30.53 | Sabriath | then we could get rid of the auction house altogether, it would be similar to the trade channel but visible anywhere |
| 00:31.02 | RockSlice | nice idea, but the amount of data that would be transferred would be tremendous, and you'd probably trigger the flood controls |
| 00:31.19 | Sabriath | no it wouldn't...geez....do i have to go over the entire p2p thing again lol |
| 00:31.51 | Sabriath | i could smash something like that down to maybe an addonchannel call every 2 seconds |
| 00:31.55 | RockSlice | no, you don't. If you're so sure it would work, code it up, and show us |
| 00:32.28 | Sabriath | i need help...i can't do a project like that on my own...i can work on the p2p network schema...but, the interface designs always look like crap when i do it =( |
| 00:33.09 | RockSlice | don't worry about the look of it. If it works, the look can be improved later |
| 00:34.25 | Sabriath | i was also thinking that people who constantly have a stock of an item (like crafters), it can always be listed, and never expires |
| 00:35.01 | name | hey if you buy the entire AH do you buy even the OPx100 ones? |
| 00:35.06 | RockSlice | as I said, code it up, get it working, and show us |
| 00:35.33 | Sabriath | name: when i say the entire auction house, i'm not that stupid |
| 00:40.01 | Sabriath | off to code |
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| 01:59.11 | norgjira | Bug 03ADV-58 10mentalpower: Deposit Cost not shown in tooltips06 (Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-58 |
| 01:59.13 | norgjira | Bug 03BTMS-10 10RockSlice: BTM prompt stays open after you close the AH06 (Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/BTMS-10 |
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| 02:05.12 | aaucWannabe | anyone know if there is still a need for QA or tester folks? |
| 02:05.26 | RockSlice | there's always a need |
| 02:05.30 | RockSlice | ~recruitingdrive |
| 02:05.31 | purl | If you would like to apply for a position on the auctioneer team, please read http://norganna.org/wiki/Organizational_Chart and determine that you fit the bill for the spot for which you are applying. Then, make sure you have an active forum account. Once that is done, /join #Norganna-Dev and give your forum name to one of the ops in that channel. |
| 02:06.06 | aaucWannabe | ty for the info. I was reading: http://forums.norganna.org/discussion/5181 |
| 02:06.26 | RockSlice | that's what pulled me in too :) |
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| 02:11.43 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: 03RockSlice * r2636 10BtmScan/btmMain.lua: fixes BTMS-10: BTM prompt stayed open after you close the AH |
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| 02:16.11 | norgjira | Bug 03BTMS-10 10RockSlice: BTM prompt stays open after you close the AH06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/BTMS-10 |
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| 02:23.36 | aaucForumApp | Ok, now I have app'd to the forums. |
| 02:24.31 | aaucForumApp | I could enjoy "testing" aauc (I use it almost daily already) and I'm a programmer by trade, just not "lua" fluent. |
| 02:25.00 | aaucForumApp | are QA people taken seriously? |
| 02:25.01 | Darkrift412 | lua is a very easy to understand language |
| 02:25.28 | Darkrift412 | i know mirc scripting, used to know vb and i recently started messing around in perl, and i could edit the scripts rather easily |
| 02:25.37 | aaucForumApp | I've written a few "hello world" type apps, but haven't gotten that deep. |
| 02:25.39 | RockSlice | I take QA seriously (or at least as seriously as I take anyone :) |
| 02:25.39 | Darkrift412 | not a huge programming backround |
| 02:25.40 | MentalPower | aaucForumApp: can you please pick a better name |
| 02:26.32 | bTal | That is what i used for the forums. |
| 02:26.34 | MentalPower | ah, better, thanks bTal |
| 02:26.43 | MentalPower | so you want to be QA? |
| 02:27.30 | MentalPower | ./join #Norganna-Dev |
| 02:27.56 | bTal | I want to learn more about LUA and I use your stuff almost daily, so I think I could be useful there. |
| 02:28.13 | MentalPower | sure, we can always use more hands |
| 02:28.21 | MentalPower | ./join #Norganna-Dev |
| 02:28.28 | MentalPower | type that in here |
| 02:28.31 | MentalPower | without the . |
| 02:30.11 | norgjira | Bug 03BTMS-6 10RockSlice: Timestamp Corrupted06 (Need Info) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/BTMS-6 |
| 02:30.12 | norgjira | Bug 03BTMS-2 10RockSlice: nil error when entering the btmScan pane06 (Need Info) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/BTMS-2 |
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| 02:36.11 | norgjira | Task 03ENX-12 10morpheusdead: Removal of defunct possible conflicting configuration06 (Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ENX-12 |
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| 02:53.12 | norgjira | Bug 03APPR-4 10RockSlice: Appraiser's "Refresh" during a running Scan will spawn a parallel Scan when resuming original Scan after Refresh completes06 (Need Info) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-4 |
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| 02:57.42 | Kaso | norgs, pastey is broken :< |
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| 02:58.38 | RockSlice | http://norganna.pastey.net ? |
| 02:59.02 | RockSlice | just tested it. how is it broken? |
| 02:59.09 | Kaso | click any of the recent posts on the right |
| 02:59.33 | Kaso | ok with a prefix on the url it works |
| 02:59.34 | Morpheus|Away | working for me the links |
| 02:59.42 | Kaso | but http://pastey.net/ doesnt work |
| 03:00.19 | Morpheus|Away | LOL @ http://norganna.pastey.net/78188 |
| 03:00.45 | RockSlice | lol |
| 03:02.52 | RockSlice | Hmm. http://www.pastey.net seems to be the proper url for http://pastey.net/ |
| 03:03.07 | Kaso | i |
| 03:03.19 | Kaso | until now i've always used just pastey.net |
| 03:03.23 | Kaso | and it's worked fine |
| 03:04.32 | Kaso | something has changed on the server |
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| 03:04.57 | MentalPower | Kaso: we know, we're looking into it |
| 03:05.53 | Kaso | thanks MentalPower |
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| 03:08.37 | Kaso | hah |
| 03:10.29 | norgs | You're not going to believe this... but it works for me. |
| 03:10.40 | norgs | Is it broken for you MentalPower? |
| 03:10.54 | MentalPower | go paste something |
| 03:10.59 | MentalPower | and try to access it back |
| 03:11.11 | norgjira | Bug 03ADV-58 10mentalpower: Deposit Cost not shown in tooltips06 (Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-58 |
| 03:11.13 | norgjira | Bug 03ADV-17 10mentalpower: category scanning occasionally does not work as expected06 (Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-17 |
| 03:11.13 | norgs | ok |
| 03:11.14 | MentalPower | http://pastey.net/78557 |
| 03:11.15 | norgs | I see |
| 03:11.18 | MentalPower | click that :) |
| 03:11.35 | MentalPower | all the subdomains work tho |
| 03:12.32 | Kaso | whilst im here i have a suggestion i've always wondered about |
| 03:12.51 | Kaso | i'd be nice if i could list all pasteys by author, eg see everything ive pasted under the name "Kaso" |
| 03:14.06 | MentalPower | it would prolly not show secure pasteys |
| 03:14.38 | Kaso | yah ofc, but i never use that so i dont mind :> |
| 03:14.58 | MentalPower | I'll think about it |
| 03:15.19 | Kaso | thanks again |
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| 03:25.22 | MentalPower | ah! |
| 03:25.29 | MentalPower | I didn't want to do that! |
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| 03:40.27 | MentalPower | ~scopestick |
| 03:40.27 | purl | it has been said that scopestick is a big stick for beating those who have troulbe staying on scope |
| 03:42.45 | MentalPower | ~factinfo scopestick |
| 03:42.45 | purl | scopestick -- last modified at Tue Nov 14 05:19:44 2006 by Esamynn!n=jbcc@207.6.94.35; it has been requested once, last by MentalPower, 2m 18s ago. |
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| 03:55.47 | Coder_0043 | any devs on tonight? particularly match modules |
| 03:56.23 | RockSlice | hi |
| 03:56.33 | Coder_0043 | rock the main man |
| 03:57.14 | RockSlice | what's up? |
| 03:57.57 | Coder_0043 | I;m thinknig about tinkering with some different matching modules besides undercut. But do not want to overlap any work thats all ready being done. |
| 03:58.31 | Coder_0043 | Is there someone working on different matching module currently or is that on hold till development of cor is complete |
| 03:58.42 | Coder_0043 | core* |
| 03:58.43 | RockSlice | there's not currently any matcher new modules in developement AFAIK |
| 03:58.58 | Coder_0043 | kewl |
| 03:59.05 | RockSlice | *new match modules |
| 03:59.51 | Coder_0043 | I'm really new to the language but it seem like a simple transition |
| 04:00.00 | RockSlice | it is |
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| 04:06.18 | Coder_0043 | sorry about that |
| 04:06.43 | Coder_0043 | so you interested in hearing my matching module idea |
| 04:06.52 | RockSlice | sure |
| 04:07.34 | Coder_0043 | Its more of a variation to undercut. |
| 04:08.58 | Coder_0043 | where you would have a target "pct undermarket price" similar to the max under market price in undercut |
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| 04:11.01 | Coder_0043 | And would then have the option to purchase all item with a pct to market < target market price. which would allow your item to be posted at your desired undercut with out competiton |
| 04:11.38 | mattbnr | question: what does the average relistings setting do on the apraiser evaluator? i have mine set at 10x but not sure exactly what that does |
| 04:12.05 | Nechckn | mattbnr do you really relist 10x for each item? |
| 04:12.24 | RockSlice | Coder_0043: I believe what you're looking for is rather a way to buyout via the Appraiser pane |
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| 04:12.35 | Nechckn | that is going to subtract the listing costs for each X that you specify |
| 04:12.36 | RockSlice | (which is on the Todo list) |
| 04:12.54 | Nechckn | mattbnr so right now the appraiser if valuing items minus ten times the listing fee |
| 04:13.49 | Coder_0043 | yes and no. it would allow you to always be the bottom of the market and still stay within your predefined max undermarket price |
| 04:15.27 | RockSlice | Coder_0043: set the "max below market" where you want it, set your PriceLevel colors to have a color difference at that point, and then hit "refresh" on Appraiser |
| 04:15.40 | mattbnr | minus ten times the listing fee? |
| 04:15.46 | RockSlice | you can then buyout all the blue/green colorcoded items |
| 04:16.06 | mattbnr | so it is deciding my profit thinking that im gonan have to repost the items 10x before it sells right? |
| 04:16.22 | Nechckn | mattbnr Yes sir |
| 04:16.27 | mattbnr | so its minusing the relisting fees before it calculates my profit |
| 04:16.44 | Nechckn | and if you have to relist 10x, you are likely pricing too high =) or not picking the right buys |
| 04:16.59 | mattbnr | probably not i jsut have it set that way so i make a profit |
| 04:17.00 | Nechckn | I have mine at 2x atm |
| 04:17.12 | mattbnr | im using appraiser thsi is my first attempt at using it |
| 04:17.20 | mattbnr | never tried it before i always use DE |
| 04:17.22 | Nechckn | ah, okey doke |
| 04:17.36 | mattbnr | any advice? |
| 04:18.01 | Coder_0043 | i do not see this multiplier yall are talking about? |
| 04:18.14 | mattbnr | i ahve min profit set at 2g50s minimum discount set at 40% |
| 04:18.24 | RockSlice | Coder_0043: it's in btmscan |
| 04:18.45 | Nechckn | well the DE'ed materials are good, as are any of the materials used in BS/JC/ENG/ENCH I usually do well on all of them |
| 04:19.12 | Nechckn | the actual items like armor and weapons are a coin toss- either doing well, or ending up not being worthwhile |
| 04:19.36 | Nechckn | Note- that is for me, on my servers... you may well be able to do better with other goodies =) |
| 04:20.06 | mattbnr | any settings i should try to adjust? |
| 04:20.29 | mattbnr | seen count, min profit,min discount? |
| 04:20.59 | Nechckn | Seen count about 10 or so... |
| 04:21.17 | Nechckn | Because you want to know the numbers you are working with are true averages |
| 04:22.36 | Nechckn | The others you have to adjust per server |
| 04:22.37 | Coder_0043 | mine are at 20 but i do a lot of scans |
| 04:22.49 | Nechckn | That is the nice part about using the profiles |
| 04:23.56 | mattbnr | 20? 20 what and so i want to enable the seen count? ok |
| 04:24.26 | Coder_0043 | My seen count is at 20 |
| 04:24.35 | Nechckn | Yes.. enable seen count and set that depending upon how often you scan.. higher if you scan alot lower if only once a day or so |
| 04:25.25 | Nechckn | If you don't, then appraiser will think that that first essence you see that is priced at 5000g is a "good price" |
| 04:25.52 | Nechckn | Once you set the Seen Count it will only think the prices are reliable after seeing that number |
| 04:26.16 | mattbnr | i scan at least prob 5 time sa day |
| 04:26.31 | Nechckn | Sort of make it a bit more l;ike the thought process you and the rest of us use |
| 04:26.50 | Nechckn | For that... I'd think the 20x would be good, maybe even 25 |
| 04:27.15 | Nechckn | You don't want to rely of bad numbers- as we all know to well hehehe |
| 04:27.27 | mattbnr | ok |
| 04:28.10 | Nechckn | As for the other numbers... you have to adjust them for what you consider worthwhile profits and specifically for the servers you play on |
| 04:28.33 | Coder_0043 | so the only 2 filters I have on in evals are appraiser and enchant mats, I still get items to disenchant in the enchant mats filter? |
| 04:28.54 | Nechckn | 2 different things Coder_0043 |
| 04:29.17 | mattbnr | i turned my seen count up to 100 and im still getting htis lol awesome |
| 04:29.29 | Nechckn | Enchant mats are the actual items used while enchanting D/E is just showing items that are worth X amount once they are D/E'ed |
| 04:29.48 | Nechckn | mattbnr you must have a nice sized db then |
| 04:30.01 | Coder_0043 | so why am i getting armor pieces in my scans they say purchase for enchant mats? |
| 04:30.09 | mattbnr | i have been scanning 2-5 time sa day every day for at least 2-3 months |
| 04:30.20 | mattbnr | YOU GET HIS ON THAT??? |
| 04:30.26 | mattbnr | i have NEVER gotten a hit on enchant mats |
| 04:30.44 | Nechckn | That's odd... honestly don't know |
| 04:30.47 | mattbnr | but i have DE enabled too |
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| 04:31.18 | Nechckn | The D/E you should get items that when D/E = cash not their worth as the item itself |
| 04:31.36 | RockSlice | mattbnr: if you have the enchant mats settings all at 100%, then it's the same as DE evaluator |
| 04:31.48 | Nechckn | Oh.. there we go |
| 04:31.53 | mattbnr | oh ok |
| 04:32.41 | Coder_0043 | so if they are set to 100% you do not need to run both filters for D/E items and regular raw mats? |
| 04:33.12 | mattbnr | is there a way to tell how long you have been building a database? |
| 04:33.15 | RockSlice | no |
| 04:33.19 | mattbnr | like a time stamp from teh first scan? |
| 04:33.28 | RockSlice | and I don't think so |
| 04:33.29 | mattbnr | damn |
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| 04:33.44 | Nechckn | BC will tell you, sort of |
| 04:34.10 | mattbnr | how will BC tell me? |
| 04:34.14 | Nechckn | without the show old BC data, do a search and the oldes date there should be the oldest |
| 04:34.31 | Nechckn | For AAdv, that is |
| 04:34.47 | Nechckn | RockSlice sound about right, or at least close to you? |
| 04:35.06 | Nechckn | Since Beancounter shows the dates and all |
| 04:35.19 | mattbnr | but dont the BC database get updated as well when a new version is released |
| 04:35.19 | RockSlice | sure |
| 04:36.16 | Nechckn | The whole DB stucture changed with AAdv so that is about it.. if you are talking all your data forever, then click the "show old data" checkbox and that will display the oldest items you had |
| 04:36.48 | Nechckn | the oldest items that you messed with when using auctioneer in total, that is |
| 04:37.02 | Nechckn | If that is what you are looking for, that is, mattbnr |
| 04:37.15 | mattbnr | 11/14 is my oldest date in BC |
| 04:37.28 | Nechckn | and you are using AAdv now? |
| 04:37.40 | Nechckn | or auc classic |
| 04:37.56 | mattbnr | aadv |
| 04:38.07 | mattbnr | i dont see a old data box anywhere |
| 04:38.37 | Nechckn | ok.. so since the 14th of November you have seen XX number of the items you have. Hmm.. it may have been removed, I'm not ingame right this second |
| 04:38.59 | mattbnr | ok cool thanks |
| 04:39.02 | Nechckn | when you open the window to search.. there was a checkbox that said display historical data or soemthing to that effect |
| 04:39.14 | mattbnr | nope |
| 04:39.24 | Nechckn | Since there have been alot of changes, that may have gone the way o' the dodo |
| 04:39.27 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.44 | mattbnr | exact name bids failed auctions outbids |
| 04:40.10 | Nechckn | Yeah, for the latest BC it was the very top checkbox with Exact Name being the second selection |
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| 04:40.34 | mattbnr | yep not there |
| 04:41.09 | Coder_0043 | So rock you do not think my module would be useful. as a sort of short cut? |
| 04:42.24 | RockSlice | It would be a useful feature, but would probably have to be a feature in Appraiser rather than a separate module |
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| 04:43.17 | Nechckn | Coder_0043 just reading over what u were talking about and yes.. as RS says.. it seems like a decent idea, but one that would fit intot the appraiser module itself |
| 04:43.50 | Nechckn | Actually.. I think mattbnr had been talking about something similar back.. oh.. a week or so ago |
| 04:44.38 | Nechckn | not exactly the same.. but what Coder_0043 is suggesting sounds like something that would be a workable sollution to what you and Dinesh were talking about. |
| 04:45.04 | Coder_0043 | Well I'm going to work on it a lit bit and see what I can come up with. it would be handy if the functionability was already there to purchase with in appraiser but i'll see if i can get some ground work laid between now and then |
| 04:46.07 | Nechckn | Coder_0043 very cool... someone is usually around here and also the discussion boards have alot of folks who are in-the-know about functionality and may be able to give you some good input too |
| 04:46.28 | Coder_0043 | cause i want it to have budget options, similiar to BtmScan, so that it can almost be automated that within certain perrameters it knows to buy the competition before listing new items. |
| 04:46.41 | Nechckn | Coder_0043 I'd suggest making a topic out there and spelling out what you are thinking as well.. that way you get the folks who are not on at the same time as you. |
| 04:47.33 | Nechckn | That makes sense.. you don't want to list something for 9 if there are 2 listed for 7, when it's worth 12 |
| 04:47.49 | Nechckn | or something like that =) |
| 04:49.43 | mattbnr | actually i would i liek being in the middle so the prices stay about normal i have my max over market set to 5% and under set to -5% and undercut set to 1% jsut so i keep my prices right around market price |
| 04:49.48 | Coder_0043 | insteed of picking the item in appraiser, and seeing that a few auction around 75 and 80% put you under your max undercut, then refreshing and going back to the browse tab and buying them and figuring out the math on how many to buy to make it worth it and how many would be a risk. and so on |
| 04:51.11 | Nechckn | Ohhh ok... got it. mattbnr those seem like good numbers, in general, as I said, mine are different for each server but are about that- nothing too big or too small |
| 04:51.14 | Coder_0043 | I use 20% under 10% over and 5% undercut cause my server the prices vary so much |
| 04:51.58 | mattbnr | yeah i dont liek the varying prices so i keep mine right around the 100% mark when i post them |
| 04:52.10 | mattbnr | well i try to any way |
| 04:52.11 | Coder_0043 | but that is probably being very genrious |
| 04:52.43 | Nechckn | it could be... but, if you get good volume and are making cash then it's good all around |
| 04:53.26 | mattbnr | i seem to hover right around the 2000-2100g mark i cant seem to break through |
| 04:53.46 | Coder_0043 | I can ussualy buy 10 lower auctions and rpost at only around 87 -92 % market and still sell all of them for profits |
| 04:53.57 | Nechckn | what level is your toon with that mattbnr |
| 04:54.40 | mattbnr | lvl 10 150 enchant |
| 04:54.54 | mattbnr | hes my bank alt |
| 04:54.56 | Coder_0043 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.25 | Nechckn | Oh man... Darnassus is the worst for that!!! |
| 04:55.28 | mattbnr | i keep adjusting my numbers but nothing seems to work i either get a bunch of auctions and get liek crap from them or i get hardly nothing at all |
| 04:55.31 | Nechckn | I frinkin' hate that so much |
| 04:55.58 | mattbnr | liek ill buy a bunch of blackmage weave gloves or somethign adn DE liek 15 of them adn get all dream dust form them |
| 04:56.07 | Nechckn | mattbnr well, that is the fun of it though.. if you consider it fun.. is finding a good combination that works for you. |
| 04:56.26 | Nechckn | Not to mention- for a lvl 10.. that's not chump change! |
| 04:57.06 | mattbnr | i do but its frustrating as well when i am at the ah all day everyday messing with my numbers and nothing seesm to change i cant find that "sweet spot" |
| 04:57.09 | Coder_0043 | but mounts and crafted armor is getting more and more expensive |
| 04:58.38 | Nechckn | mattbnr well... maybe take a bit of a break from it, I know the economies very alot from week to week on some of the servers and daily on others, so those numbers will need to be adjusted. I'd keep what seems to be working going.. go out, make some xp and cash the hard way, then give it anothr go |
| 04:59.01 | Coder_0043 | just curious do we know how close we are tou having a purchase feature in appraiser |
| 04:59.30 | RockSlice | Coder_0043: when someone gets around to it :) |
| 04:59.41 | Nechckn | Coder_0043 that's no lie... eesh.. so many cash sinks it's gettting nuts... it's from the glut of 70s hanging out creating cash out of the Outlands and pumping it into the economies |
| 04:59.43 | Coder_0043 | i love that answer |
| 05:00.19 | Nechckn | Coder_0043 well... there you go, you could always play with that.. then move on to the rest ehheheeh |
| 05:00.37 | Nechckn | I know that more than a few people would be just a bit happy with your efforts |
| 05:00.59 | Coder_0043 | If it's not being done yet I'll work on it |
| 05:01.31 | RockSlice | ~recruitingdrive |
| 05:01.31 | purl | If you would like to apply for a position on the auctioneer team, please read http://norganna.org/wiki/Organizational_Chart and determine that you fit the bill for the spot for which you are applying. Then, make sure you have an active forum account. Once that is done, /join #Norganna-Dev and give your forum name to one of the ops in that channel. |
| 05:01.36 | mattbnr | the only thing is i have about 4 DE char so trying to adjsut for each char is hard cause the prices vary so much for all the DE levels |
| 05:02.02 | mattbnr | like my main DE is lvl 225 my bank is lvl 150 my new DE is 60 |
| 05:02.37 | mattbnr | guess thats what i get for having 7 char going at once |
| 05:02.51 | Nechckn | mattbnr yes sir, it could be =) |
| 05:06.10 | Nechckn | Coder_0043 Here is the issue's related ticket in Jira http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-50 If you do not have the time to commit to being a dev right now.. at least be sure to get an acct set up and vote on the item.. you will also be able to add comments- including that you are working on the issue and what your thoughts are, etc. |
| 05:07.24 | Nechckn | Maybe commit may not be the right word... but you should still consider joining the team- you set your own hours and such- and, for the most part, deal with the parts and pieces you are interested in. |
| 05:09.10 | Coder_0043 | Is there supposed to be a description for each level on the org. tree/ |
| 05:09.58 | RockSlice | I think you click on the name |
| 05:10.49 | RockSlice | well, that seems to be the intention, but nobody's filled in the wiki yet |
| 05:12.02 | Coder_0043 | lol |
| 05:12.49 | Coder_0043 | so if i wanted to work on the purchase/ bid feature, would it be best to be dev or contributor? |
| 05:13.07 | RockSlice | dev |
| 05:14.26 | Coder_0043 | and when I click the create button for the forum's account it gives me the no text in this page message? |
| 05:15.14 | norgjira | New Feature 03APPR-50 10Nechckn: Add ability to bid/BO items from appraiser competition frame06 (Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-50 |
| 05:15.19 | RockSlice | the forum account creation isn't working? |
| 05:16.03 | Nechckn | Coder_0043 there was a big migration recently- usually more "stuff works" =) |
| 05:16.38 | mattbnr | what is good number for a minimum discount for the DE evaluator? im clueless |
| 05:16.56 | Nechckn | http://forums.norganna.org/people/?PostBackAction=ApplyForm |
| 05:16.59 | mattbnr | i have tried everything |
| 05:17.38 | Nechckn | Coder_0043 is that where you were, then it had nothing once you completed the form? |
| 05:18.45 | Nechckn | mattbnr ench/disenchant is not really my thing so I don't have the amounts customized for those.. maybe Coder_0043 could give you some ideas, since they said their's was working and all. |
| 05:18.57 | mattbnr | k |
| 05:20.17 | Nechckn | yeah.. I tried working them out with you that one day and what we had should have worked.. but.. since that's not my niche, can't verify if it's some setting or whatever.. maybe even "The Slice" has some ideas ;-) |
| 05:20.27 | Nechckn | With that.. I am out for a bit, you all take care |
| 05:20.53 | RockSlice | ohh! I have a new nickname! |
| 05:21.06 | Nechckn | I am liking that too |
| 05:21.15 | Nechckn | RS is just ever so generic |
| 05:21.41 | mattbnr | slice is awesome |
| 05:24.36 | RockSlice | mattbnr: I'd suggest dedicating one of your enchanters to be your main DEer (helps if it's the one with the most skill) |
| 05:24.51 | RockSlice | then set your custom levels to that toon's skill |
| 05:25.41 | mattbnr | well slice i do the bank alt is just a 150 DE |
| 05:25.57 | mattbnr | i have profiels set up for each char but i change the numbers around everyday |
| 05:26.31 | mattbnr | my main DE is lvl 225 so i would liek to get some good numbers set up for his DE like minimum profit and minimum discount |
| 05:27.24 | RockSlice | first, how do you typically post enchanting mats? do you undercut at all? |
| 05:27.31 | mattbnr | i mena with DE you cant really ever lose money unless you are just not paying attention but i liek to make gold fast |
| 05:28.00 | mattbnr | i have my max over market set to 5% my under market set to -5% and undercut set to 1% |
| 05:29.03 | mattbnr | i use the default market price model with those settings |
| 05:29.13 | mattbnr | post for 48 hours |
| 05:29.19 | RockSlice | if you have a large amount of cash, I'd say a minimum discount of around 20-30% |
| 05:29.27 | mattbnr | i have 1200g right now |
| 05:29.36 | RockSlice | plenty at 225 |
| 05:30.06 | mattbnr | k i got that set now about min profit? i have no clue there i have it set at liek 1g15s right now |
| 05:30.35 | RockSlice | depends how much of the lower mats you want to deal with |
| 05:31.08 | RockSlice | really, with DE, that setting is to stop getting flooded with strange dust :) |
| 05:32.18 | mattbnr | actually i woudl love to stop getting dream dust |
| 05:32.32 | mattbnr | most of the stuff i get DE into dream dust and it dont sell for shit |
| 05:32.47 | RockSlice | if you get a low-level mat you don't want, increase the min profit |
| 05:33.11 | mattbnr | so prob liek maybe 2g min profit? |
| 05:33.11 | RockSlice | I have my min profit set to 2g (with a 225 DEer) |
| 05:33.25 | FuzzyLogic | rock |
| 05:33.34 | RockSlice | fuzzy |
| 05:33.53 | FuzzyLogic | is there another fuzzylogic on the team already this is coder-0043 |
| 05:33.54 | mattbnr | so now with custom levels shoudl i go form 0-225 or jsut the higher end? |
| 05:34.14 | mattbnr | cause now i have it set to 150-225 |
| 05:34.26 | RockSlice | 0 up |
| 05:34.30 | mattbnr | k |
| 05:34.49 | FuzzyLogic | it gave me -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> |
| 05:35.03 | RockSlice | if a low-level item would give you 2g profit, you don't want to miss it |
| 05:35.08 | mattbnr | under the enchantrix settings the percentless and bid broker do i need to worry about those settings? |
| 05:35.24 | RockSlice | FuzzyLogic: that means someone else on irc.freenode.net has that nick |
| 05:35.32 | MentalPower | FuzzyLogic: this IRC server is used by a lot more than just us |
| 05:35.45 | FuzzyLogic | ahh I got ya |
| 05:35.55 | mattbnr | and i should keep the weights all at 100% right? |
| 05:36.08 | RockSlice | mattbnr: I don't. I think those are a holdover from Auc4 |
| 05:36.14 | RockSlice | and yes |
| 05:36.33 | mattbnr | ok |
| 05:37.25 | mattbnr | if there hold over shouldnt they be removed so they dont confuse aadv users? liek me :) |
| 05:37.53 | RockSlice | they may still have a use in AC, but I don't use that :) |
| 05:38.32 | mattbnr | oh thats right enx dont distingush between aadv and ac |
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| 05:39.08 | mattbnr | it should probably be a optional moduel then so its only loaded with ac |
| 05:39.09 | FuzzyLogic | Hey Rock i joined the dev channel who is and op that I can give my forums name to? |
| 05:39.20 | mattbnr | mental sut was |
| 05:39.23 | mattbnr | just was* |
| 05:39.53 | FuzzyLogic | just I knew mental could |
| 05:40.03 | RockSlice | norgs or Esamynn can |
| 05:41.56 | mattbnr | thansk slice you are the greatest |
| 05:42.39 | FuzzyLogic | so pretty much when i am working on an issue in jira the reporter is the person i get to review my work? |
| 05:43.37 | RockSlice | no. the reporter was the one who reported the bug or issue |
| 05:43.48 | RockSlice | the reviewing is done by the QA team |
| 05:44.11 | FuzzyLogic | ahh |
| 05:46.46 | mattbnr | ok since i am part of the qa team(sorta) what should i be doing to assist people everytime i go to jira and click on the "needs qa" all of them are resolved |
| 05:47.30 | RockSlice | see if they are really fixed, and if so, set it to closed |
| 05:47.36 | FuzzyLogic | You are pretty involved rock, I see your name everywhere on the forum and help stuff |
| 05:47.40 | RockSlice | if no reopen |
| 05:48.49 | mattbnr | hmm |
| 05:49.01 | mattbnr | so if it jsut says resolved its still a "open" issue? |
| 05:49.30 | RockSlice | no, it's "resolved", which is inbetween "open" and "closed" |
| 05:49.49 | mattbnr | lol ok so it just needs verified |
| 05:49.58 | RockSlice | yup |
| 05:51.02 | mattbnr | what is the res column? |
| 05:51.25 | RockSlice | on jira? |
| 05:51.43 | mattbnr | yeah there is a staus column then a res column |
| 05:51.55 | mattbnr | status is resolved then the res cloumn says fixed |
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| 05:53.05 | RockSlice | the resolution (ie Fixed, Won't Fix, Incomplete, Duplicate, etc) |
| 05:53.33 | mattbnr | so if there fixed there "verified" i guess? |
| 05:54.10 | RockSlice | no. When the dev hit's "Resolve", the resolution is set to "Fixed" |
| 05:54.19 | RockSlice | and the Status to "resolved" |
| 05:54.54 | mattbnr | so its misleading in a way |
| 05:55.45 | RockSlice | I suppose you could view it that way, but the dev think's it's fixed |
| 05:56.03 | mattbnr | .... |
| 05:56.21 | MentalPower | whats the issue here? |
| 05:56.51 | mattbnr | the jira res and status columns |
| 05:57.43 | mattbnr | the "status" of issues like resolved and fixed dont mean fixed it means needs checked still |
| 05:58.10 | mattbnr | just had me confused |
| 05:59.14 | MentalPower | resolution is irrelevant until the issue's status is either resolved or closed |
| 05:59.40 | mattbnr | all the need qa are resolved |
| 06:00.11 | MentalPower | correct |
| 06:00.20 | MentalPower | thats the issues QA deals with |
| 06:00.35 | mattbnr | so does that mean they are all fixed or still need further testing? |
| 06:00.40 | MentalPower | they verify that the fix in fact fixes the original issue, and then they close it |
| 06:01.10 | MentalPower | they still need testing to verify the fix works as intended |
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| 06:06.28 | mattbnr | so this issue here http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-27 could be closed as it does work? |
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| 06:22.35 | LiquidLogic | Mental I had a question about the stat:classic |
| 06:23.27 | LiquidLogic | It should in most cases be the same as your auctioneer classic value for an item |
| 06:23.45 | MentalPower | yes |
| 06:23.53 | MentalPower | in all cases actually |
| 06:24.08 | MentalPower | the value should be the same as the median IIRC |
| 06:24.11 | MentalPower | not the HSP |
| 06:24.15 | LiquidLogic | in the forums Rock posted a command/aadv stat classic import |
| 06:24.34 | MentalPower | yes |
| 06:24.55 | LiquidLogic | is that for the stat:classic dev or for total import of DB data? |
| 06:25.26 | MentalPower | that is to import AC data into stat:classic |
| 06:26.19 | LiquidLogic | Not into the AA DB |
| 06:26.28 | MentalPower | there is no AA DB |
| 06:26.46 | MentalPower | AA itself does not have any kind of DB (save for config options) |
| 06:27.19 | MentalPower | the Scan DB is held in Auc-ScanData, and the stats DBs are held inside each of the stats modules |
| 06:29.22 | LiquidLogic | so DB wasn't the best the term |
| 06:30.19 | LiquidLogic | it doesn't effect AA scan history or sen count, only the stat:classic valuation |
| 06:30.27 | LiquidLogic | seen* |
| 06:31.44 | MentalPower | correct |
| 06:36.05 | LiquidLogic | sweet |
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| 06:53.04 | LiquidLogic | Mental you there? |
| 06:53.46 | MentalPower | yes? |
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| 06:55.32 | LiquidLogic | is there a way to get it to log me into he dev channel when i identify? |
| 06:57.09 | MentalPower | you client should be able to do that for you |
| 06:57.53 | LiquidLogic | lol I use the one on the website. guess i should get an IRC client |
| 06:58.41 | MentalPower | hehe, yep |
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| 07:03.13 | LiquidLogic | wow i haven't hd to use ICR's in orever do you suggest one? |
| 07:03.24 | MentalPower | I use ChatZilla |
| 07:03.31 | Sabriath | i use icechat |
| 07:03.46 | MentalPower | others use trillian and pidgin |
| 07:04.13 | MentalPower | even mIRC *eek* |
| 07:04.20 | Sabriath | *throws up* |
| 07:04.26 | LiquidLogic | i used to use chatzilla |
| 07:04.33 | LiquidLogic | mirc no good? |
| 07:04.46 | MentalPower | its old, bloated and closed |
| 07:04.47 | Sabriath | lol....i went to mirc for about 2 seconds and came back to icechat |
| 07:05.22 | Sabriath | i have a question about the addon channel communication methods |
| 07:06.09 | Sabriath | can you send any string, or does it have to printable-only ascii characters (32-126, 128-255)? |
| 07:07.32 | Sabriath | the reason i ask is for compression schemes use 0-255 range (the whole byte), and if i can't send it, i may have to make it similar to MIME *blek* |
| 07:08.49 | MentalPower | I think you can send anything except 0 |
| 07:09.01 | MentalPower | since that is the end of string char in C |
| 07:09.06 | Sabriath | so i'll only have to make a single escape character for the 0 |
| 07:09.14 | Sabriath | which isn't bad |
| 07:10.03 | MentalPower | the prefix cannot contain \t since that is whats used internally to separate the prefix from the message |
| 07:10.16 | MentalPower | and prefix + \t + message cannot exceed 255 chars |
| 07:10.29 | MentalPower | s/chars/bytes/ |
| 07:10.43 | Sabriath | chars...bytes...same diff |
| 07:11.13 | Sabriath | thanks for the info...so i just use 1 escape code for the \, t, and 0 all at once, no biggy |
| 07:11.31 | MentalPower | no, you misinterpreted |
| 07:11.53 | MentalPower | you only have to escape 0 in the message |
| 07:12.06 | MentalPower | and the prefix cannot contain \t (tabs) |
| 07:12.08 | Sabriath | but you said i couldn't have \t as a prefix either |
| 07:12.15 | Sabriath | oh |
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| 07:12.36 | MentalPower | the message can have as many tabs as you want |
| 07:12.53 | Sabriath | what's the prefix for then? |
| 07:13.07 | Sabriath | i thought it was simply just AddOnChann, Message |
| 07:13.13 | MentalPower | BTW, you might want to test this out, since I have only sent printable ASCII and UTF-8 via SendAddOnMessage() |
| 07:14.10 | MentalPower | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage |
| 07:14.39 | Sabriath | oh, right...forgot that it's the addon separator lol |
| 07:15.21 | Sabriath | wait....only part, raid, guild, battleground and whisper are the only channels allowed? |
| 07:15.47 | Sabriath | nothing for zone, area or faction even |
| 07:15.54 | Sabriath | that's kinda bs |
| 07:16.53 | Sabriath | might as well make the addon open a channel to a room and block visibility to it and use that as the communications |
| 07:16.58 | MentalPower | there have never been those kinds of channels |
| 07:17.17 | MentalPower | Sabriath: those messages are throttled |
| 07:17.26 | Sabriath | what do you mean? |
| 07:17.39 | Sabriath | i only need to send comms about once every 30 seconds to a minute |
| 07:18.12 | MentalPower | then you'll be fine |
| 07:18.16 | Sabriath | yay |
| 07:18.33 | Sabriath | what i'm looking to do is have a factionwide auctioning type system |
| 07:18.33 | MentalPower | tho I would not be surprised if blizz makes SendChatMessage() protected |
| 07:18.57 | Sabriath | similar to trade...but searchable through a module that looks like auction house |
| 07:19.07 | MentalPower | oh, and the hooking involved to hide the channel is rather ugly |
| 07:19.23 | Sabriath | i know...WIM does it |
| 07:23.32 | Sabriath | do you know if blizz throttles the channels separately, or just for each person, because you could just open more than 1 channel lol |
| 07:25.57 | MentalPower | separately, per person |
| 07:26.03 | Sabriath | k |
| 07:26.06 | MentalPower | 10 messages every 10 secons |
| 07:26.09 | MentalPower | seconds* |
| 07:26.16 | Sabriath | oh that is far more than i need |
| 07:26.17 | Sabriath | thanks |
| 07:26.21 | MentalPower | not to be confused with 1 message per second |
| 07:26.29 | Sabriath | i understand |
| 07:26.45 | MentalPower | and messages that exceed that allotment will be buffered, not dropped |
| 07:28.23 | Sabriath | got it....here's my plan...similar to how WoW sends packages of patches by p2p randomly choosing a section for each host to each host, i'm going to be doing similar, although with a much smaller table |
| 07:29.24 | Sabriath | so if each person sends a random "package" at each minute to 2 minute interval...and 100 people are doing it...then just about every 2 minutes you should receive the table...this can be throttled, but just an example |
| 07:30.25 | MentalPower | ok |
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| 07:34.56 | LiquidLogic | whats the dev channel? |
| 07:35.05 | Sabriath | norganna-dev |
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| 07:38.32 | LiquidLogic | sweet |
| 07:45.23 | LiquidLogic | night guys |
| 07:45.30 | Sabriath | night |
| 07:47.47 | MentalPower | LiquidLogic: please no spam |
| 07:48.11 | norgjira | New Feature 03APPR-50 10LiquidLogic: Add ability to bid/BO items from appraiser competition frame06 (Need Info) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-50 |
| 07:49.05 | LiquidLogic | ? |
| 07:50.23 | MentalPower | [03:41:53]* LiquidLogicSleep |
| 07:50.25 | MentalPower | [03:43:05]* LiquidLogicis now away - Reason : sleep |
| 07:50.27 | MentalPower | [03:43:17]* LiquidLogicis no longer away : Gone for 17 seconds |
| 07:50.28 | MentalPower | none of that |
| 07:51.08 | LiquidLogic | my apologies, I was chnaging settings for ice chat. |
| 07:51.47 | Sabriath | i don't even know hot to do emotes lol |
| 07:52.10 | MentalPower | ./me |
| 07:52.27 | LiquidLogic | at the top there is a away button, but i thought i was broke since it didn't put my away reason the the nick list |
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| 10:27.43 | Daede | anybody wanna see a bot fart? |
| 10:27.48 | Daede | ~emulate daede |
| 10:27.49 | purl | ACTION farted.. |
| 10:27.54 | Daede | purl say excuse me |
| 10:27.54 | purl | excuse me |
| 10:28.00 | Daede | ~botsnack |
| 10:28.00 | purl | Daede: aw, gee |
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| 10:28.12 | ckknight | purl: sucks |
| 10:28.13 | purl | only if you ask nicely and pay well. |
| 10:32.26 | Daede | ckknight |
| 10:32.36 | Daede | i been meanin to run into you at keys |
| 10:33.20 | Daede | I maintain a semi-popular interface, and currently I'm using Titan, but I'm wanting to switch to fubar |
| 10:33.23 | Daede | my question is |
| 10:33.57 | Daede | is there 'fubar package' of sorts that bundles the necessary files to make fubar work together with a lot of different addons for it? |
| 10:34.44 | ckknight | used to be |
| 10:34.46 | ckknight | then I got lazy |
| 10:34.53 | Daede | heh |
| 10:34.57 | Daede | i know how that goes |
| 10:35.03 | ckknight | now I just recommend getting wowaceupdater and going through the list, choosing what fits your fancy |
| 10:35.14 | Daede | wowace updater? |
| 10:35.27 | Daede | im using WoWus right now |
| 10:35.59 | ckknight | not like you can't use both |
| 10:36.05 | Daede | true |
| 10:36.11 | ckknight | give it a shot |
| 10:36.14 | Daede | u ace guys put out some good shit man |
| 10:36.18 | ckknight | worst case scenario, you waste 15 minutes |
| 10:36.18 | Daede | way to go |
| 10:36.33 | ckknight | good times |
| 10:36.49 | Daede | oh yeah hey any u fools r awake? |
| 10:37.08 | Daede | i just ding'd 50 and your addon has made me in surplus of 250g :) |
| 10:37.17 | Daede | thumbs up |
| 10:37.19 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 10:37.23 | ckknight | hehe |
| 10:37.26 | ckknight | my paladin is 53! |
| 10:37.30 | Daede | nice |
| 10:37.33 | Daede | what server? |
| 10:37.37 | ckknight | Cenarion Circle |
| 10:37.42 | Daede | pvp? |
| 10:37.46 | ckknight | RP |
| 10:37.49 | Daede | nice |
| 10:37.53 | ckknight | she's my highest level character, to be honest |
| 10:37.53 | Daede | im on antonidas |
| 10:37.57 | Daede | bleh its ok |
| 10:38.00 | Daede | i like my guild |
| 10:38.01 | ckknight | despite being this hot-shot addon dev |
| 10:38.12 | Daede | heh |
| 10:38.20 | Daede | that and a dollar will get you a 20 minute phone call, eh |
| 10:38.26 | Daede | i know the feeling |
| 10:40.19 | Daede | it'll look great on a resume, tho |
| 10:41.01 | ckknight | arguably |
| 10:41.28 | ckknight | "Well I see you made all these lua libraries, but I don't see a listing of your Java experience" |
| 10:41.45 | Daede | LOL |
| 10:42.00 | Daede | there's gotta be good money in lua somewhere |
| 10:42.10 | ckknight | meh, I've grown to hate lua |
| 10:42.15 | Daede | i bet |
| 10:42.17 | ckknight | it's so backwards in someways |
| 10:42.29 | ckknight | I've been working on something else that has changed the way I thought |
| 10:42.36 | Daede | starting with the fact that it's interpreted |
| 10:42.51 | Daede | load on demand compiled libraries would have been such a good way to go |
| 10:42.54 | ckknight | no, that's not it |
| 10:43.53 | ckknight | I'm more disenheartened by the lack of a core OO system, having everything be a table means that any semblance of checking types is going to be a hack |
| 10:44.03 | Daede | lol |
| 10:44.14 | Daede | u know c++ was meant to be a joke, right |
| 10:44.17 | Daede | well |
| 10:44.20 | Daede | it was a thesis |
| 10:44.27 | Daede | never meant to actually take hold |
| 10:44.45 | ckknight | and with WoW, you can't make everything "OO", since external addons might do something different, and Blizz's code is different, and stuff like _G.math has to be dealt with |
| 10:44.52 | Daede | the two guys primarily responsible for writing it, never used it, heh |
| 10:45.01 | ckknight | Daede: I know about 20 programming languages, so you know |
| 10:45.06 | Daede | nice |
| 10:45.10 | Daede | i used to know a bunch |
| 10:45.18 | ckknight | so I'm not just taking this from C++ or Java experience |
| 10:45.21 | ckknight | whole lot more |
| 10:45.29 | Daede | ive successfully managed to push 90% of that crud out of my head forever |
| 10:45.30 | ckknight | I'm more fond of python or ruby |
| 10:45.36 | Daede | python |
| 10:45.38 | Daede | :) |
| 10:45.41 | Daede | u can stay |
| 10:46.47 | ckknight | one thing that royally sucks about lua (in my opinion) is colon syntax\ |
| 10:47.08 | ckknight | although I understand the logic behind it, I would've preferred a proper binding system like Python or Ruby has |
| 10:47.16 | ckknight | or hell, even Javascript's way isn't that haphazard |
| 10:48.09 | Daede | i like javascript |
| 10:48.18 | Daede | it was well thought out |
| 10:49.03 | ckknight | ECMAScript 4 looks nice |
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| 11:05.41 | Daede | l8r guys, im out |
| 11:05.45 | Daede | thanks, ck |
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| 11:54.52 | m0oman | oo. it's daede. :o |
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| 13:29.17 | Tolerant | Good morning |
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| 13:35.36 | Cer | hey |
| 13:35.47 | Cer | I just downloaded latest auctioneer via curse |
| 13:39.33 | Cer | it's working, ty for this great addon |
| 13:43.00 | Tolerant | Glad you enjoy it, I consider it a "Must have" addon |
| 13:44.31 | Cer | I used it once before but hadn't taken the time to use it fully, now I am/will though |
| 13:45.41 | Cer | can I install gatherer 3.0.3 over 3.00? will it keep my findings? |
| 13:45.54 | Cer | (copy over I mean) |
| 13:47.07 | Tolerant | If you have to, deleting the main files in the Addons folder usually leaves any stats gathered because they are placed in diffrent folders related to your character/server |
| 13:49.09 | Cer | k, so I can delete the GathererDB_Wowhead and the Gatherer dir and replace them by the new ones |
| 13:49.57 | Tolerant | Well I dont "work" here, but generally yea shouldnt be a problem at all and often recommended if there are any major file changes |
| 13:50.30 | Cer | allright, ty |
| 13:59.22 | Cer | the little sidebare under the minimap gave me an error, but it lists an entire list of deleted mods |
| 13:59.37 | Cer | and I restarted wow several times allready |
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| 14:01.44 | Cer | http://norganna.pastey.net/78581-1din |
| 14:02.32 | Cer | I deleted nearly everyone of those mods though |
| 14:04.09 | Cer | ok, never mind, its an error from 29/09. . . |
| 14:04.13 | Cer | sorry to bother you |
| 14:04.29 | Cer | tnx for the help and writing these addons |
| 14:04.33 | Cer | later |
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| 15:04.11 | norgjira | Bug 03ADV-35 10RockSlice: Can't sort by Item Rarity06 (Permanently Closed/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-35 |
| 15:04.12 | norgjira | Bug 03ADV-95 10RockSlice: error in Auc-Match-Undercut (2514)06 (Need Info) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-95 |
| 15:06.11 | norgjira | Bug 03APPR-51 10RockSlice: Items submitted with wrong price if the first field value hasn't changed.06 (Need Info) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-51 |
| 15:12.11 | norgjira | Bug 03ADV-106 10RockSlice: Wrong use of GetMarketValue in GetBestMatch06 (Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-106 |
| 15:12.12 | norgjira | Task 03ADV-124 10RockSlice: Conform all API calls to serverkey, which is what is actually used06 (Unconfirmed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-124 |
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| 15:32.13 | norgjira | Bug 03ADV-109 10RockSlice: LibRecycle: An AddOn tried to use a recycled table!06 (Resolved/Won't Fix) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-109 |
| 15:32.14 | norgjira | Bug 03ADV-67 10RockSlice: click column headers on auctions and bids tabs does not work while auc is enabled06 (Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-67 |
| 15:50.14 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: 03RockSlice * r2637 10Auc-Util-CompactUI/CompactUI.lua: |
| 15:50.14 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: Fixes ADV-67: Sorting in Bids and Auctions tabs wasn't working with CompactUI enabled |
| 15:50.15 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: CompactUI was hijacking SortAuctionApplySort without forwarding on sorts for non-browsetab sorts |
| 15:52.14 | norgjira | Bug 03ADV-67 10RockSlice: click column headers on auctions and bids tabs does not work while auc is enabled06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-67 |
| 15:53.14 | norgjira | Pollution 03auctioneer r2637 10RockSlice: Auc-Util-CompactUI/CompactUI.lua has a new global variable: OldSortAuctionApplySort at line 62 |
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| 16:22.12 | norgjira | New Feature 03ADV-114 10RockSlice: Provide API for requesting cross-faction or cross-realm-faction Price info06 (Reopened) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-114 |
| 16:22.12 | norgjira | Task 03ADV-124 10RockSlice: Conform all API calls to serverkey, which is what is actually used06 (Unconfirmed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-124 |
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| 17:45.48 | RockSlice | ~lart Comcast |
| 17:45.48 | purl | chops Comcast in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 17:45.53 | RockSlice | ~nuke Comcast |
| 17:45.54 | purl | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Comcast ... B☢☢M! |
| 17:45.59 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: 03kandoko * r2638 10BeanCounter/BeanCounterFrames.lua: |
| 17:45.59 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: Fixes BCNT-75 |
| 17:45.59 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: GUI Column Widths are now adjusted to fit localized strings. |
| 17:46.00 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: Example [transacti..] will show as [transactions] |
| 17:46.03 | RockSlice | much better :) |
| 17:47.13 | norgjira | Bug 03BCNT-75 10kandoko: The column text in BeanCounters GUI cannot display translated text strings in full.06 (Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/BCNT-75 |
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| 17:49.21 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: 03RockSlice * r2639 10Auc-Util-CompactUI/CompactUI.lua: fixes pollution in r2637 |
| 17:55.34 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: 03kandoko * r2640 10BeanCounter/BeanCounterFrames.lua: |
| 17:55.34 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: Continues BCNT-11 |
| 17:55.34 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: Adds localization for checkbox's "Exact name search", "Bids", "Auctions" |
| 17:55.34 | CIA-25 | auctioneer: Adds localization for search button |
| 18:09.11 | norgjira | Task 03BCNT-11 10mentalpower: Add in localization to the GUI06 (In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/BCNT-11 |
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| 18:13.01 | shaun_0010 | how do i install Actioneer? |
| 18:13.19 | MentalPower | ~auctinstall |
| 18:13.20 | purl | If you are having trouble installing, try reading http://wiki.norganna.org/Installing |
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| 19:48.47 | Rprp | Is it possible to clear the btm log? |
| 20:06.36 | CIA-17 | gatherer: 03mentalpower * r669 10/misc/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Updated the BLPConverter to version 5 and added the source code for the application to comply with the terms of the GPL. Also modified the ConvertIcons.pl file to reference the new location of the binary. |
| 20:08.46 | bleeter | Rprp: no that I'm aware of, probably need to exit game and hand edit the SV file. Tho I'm just a sysadmin and dunno much about the mods. |
| 20:09.15 | MentalPower | you could try /btm clear, but I'm not positive thats a valid option |
| 20:09.33 | MentalPower | if its not, feel free to add a JIRA issue for it http://jira.norganna.org |
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| 23:17.52 | kergoth | huh, wonder why gatherer uses quite a bit of cpu just idling |
| 23:18.27 | RockSlice | it shouldn't. how are you detecting the cpu usage? |
| 23:20.18 | kergoth | have cpu usage profiling enabled, watching optionhouse's performance pane. resourcetools shows the same information, as would any other peformance addon, i'm sure |
| 23:21.23 | RockSlice | what options in Gatherer do you have active? the HUD? |
| 23:27.16 | kergoth | no hud |
| 23:32.17 | RockSlice | we'll look into it. ty for pointing it out to us |
| 23:36.12 | norgjira | New Feature 03APPR-58 10RockSlice: Add a way to post multiple stacksizes with one click06* (Unconfirmed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-58 |
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| 23:39.57 | kergoth | np. i doubt its affecting fps very much, was just curious :) |
| 23:40.58 | RockSlice | well, high cpu usage will probably affect fps, but either way, it's something that we need to look into |
| 23:41.09 | RockSlice | you're using 3.0.3, I presume? |
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| 23:49.57 | Esamynn|Work | kergoth: do you have the wow head gatherer DB installed? |
| 23:51.21 | kergoth | ah, yes. does it do work in the background on the nodes in the current zone or something? |
| 23:51.38 | Esamynn|Work | yes |
| 23:51.57 | Esamynn|Work | currently it has to re-scan every node in the zone every 5 seconds |
| 23:52.05 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:52.09 | Esamynn|Work | that you are displaying on your minimap |
| 23:52.15 | kergoth | okay then, that answers that |
| 23:52.15 | kergoth | thanks |
| 23:52.44 | Esamynn|Work | norgs had an idea a while back for improving that situation, I haven't gotten around to exploring it yet |