| 00:00.08 | DracoDan | your not going into the menues to do it are you? |
| 00:00.17 | Esamynn | I was actually |
| 00:00.29 | DracoDan | you can just click the icon |
| 00:01.02 | Esamynn | nada, although I'm in a different area |
| 00:01.28 | norgs | DracoDan: How much memory/cpu do you have? |
| 00:01.32 | DracoDan | yeah, so am i now |
| 00:02.54 | DracoDan | dual 2.2ghz opteron and 2gb ram |
| 00:04.37 | DracoDan | strange, wow isnt multithreaded, yet is using 60%+ cpu time |
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| 00:07.39 | DracoDan | i turned off trilinear filtering and all shader effts |
| 00:07.52 | DracoDan | as well as turning everything down |
| 00:08.14 | DracoDan | 60+fps now, still noticable when spinning |
| 00:12.02 | Esamynn | DracoDan: well, I dont' know what to say, I can't see it |
| 00:12.27 | DracoDan | ill either learn to tolorate it or fraps it |
| 00:12.50 | DracoDan | its not back and forth shaking, its just skippy, no matter how high my fps is |
| 00:13.31 | norgs | vista? |
| 00:14.00 | DracoDan | hell no :D |
| 00:14.13 | norgs | xp 32bit? |
| 00:14.16 | DracoDan | yes |
| 00:14.27 | DracoDan | i feel like i was just asked "are you a fucking retard?" |
| 00:14.32 | DracoDan | :P |
| 00:15.05 | Esamynn | lol |
| 00:15.06 | DracoDan | no offense to you guys enjoying viastas performance penalty |
| 00:15.07 | norgs | well, we don't know you from a retard... you just turned up :) |
| 00:15.23 | Esamynn | ~poke norgs |
| 00:15.24 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind norgs, pokes norgs repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 00:15.35 | DracoDan | ive been on this server for like 4 years |
| 00:18.23 | FrostByghte | you must have a hell of a connection to maintain that link for 4 years |
| 00:18.38 | DracoDan | yeah, i saw that coming |
| 00:18.44 | FrostByghte | ya it's a bad one :( |
| 00:18.48 | DracoDan | that or a joke about how i must not be using windows |
| 00:19.09 | FrostByghte | I'm using xp still, vista scares me :) |
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| 00:19.15 | FrostByghte | but I'll probably upgrade next year |
| 00:19.32 | DracoDan | you mean ME 2? |
| 00:21.09 | DracoDan | poor windows me, lost but not... hmmm, yeah, everyone forgot about it, especially microsfot |
| 00:22.57 | FrostByghte | I dunno, I haven't even looked at vista yet |
| 00:23.04 | FrostByghte | xp does basically what I need |
| 00:23.12 | FrostByghte | which tbh is play a lot of games :) |
| 00:25.43 | DracoDan | thats the exact reason vista will fail |
| 00:25.51 | DracoDan | nobody needs more than xp |
| 00:26.34 | FrostByghte | I don't really see it failing, for the simple fact there is a push from MS to move to it...so we will be forced to move at some point |
| 00:26.49 | FrostByghte | DX10 will eventually be a reason to step up to it |
| 00:30.05 | norgs | they're already selling pc's that aren't compatible with XP |
| 00:30.44 | bleeter | xp != 'me 2'.. xp = WinNT 2002.3 or something :P |
| 00:31.10 | DracoDan | actually its nt 5.1 |
| 00:31.21 | DracoDan | i was saying vista is me 2 |
| 00:31.37 | bleeter | ohhh, heh (yeah, I couldn't recall the point version on XP) |
| 00:31.40 | DracoDan | norgs: wtf? how can you not be compatible with XP? |
| 00:32.40 | FlAWD | 4OS Info: Windows XP Professional x64 SP2 (Build #3790) [Administrator] installed on Thursday, September 6 2007 |
| 00:32.41 | DracoDan | im a hardware person, and i dont know of a single piece of hardware in existance that has vista drivers, but not xp |
| 00:32.48 | FlAWD | aww it says xp pro now |
| 00:33.00 | FlAWD | it used to say windows server 2003 x64 |
| 00:33.09 | FlAWD | that's what it's based on heh |
| 00:33.21 | DracoDan | only the HAL |
| 00:33.43 | DracoDan | and why are you running x64? |
| 00:33.50 | FrostByghte | in theory any pc with a DX 10 card isn't totally compatible with XP :) |
| 00:34.17 | FlAWD | because i'm running 4gb ram |
| 00:34.33 | FlAWD | it runs just about the same as x86 .. i see no difference |
| 00:34.35 | DracoDan | k |
| 00:34.50 | DracoDan | only the lack of drivers |
| 00:35.01 | FlAWD | i've come across that .. but it's very rare nowadays |
| 00:35.11 | DracoDan | the wow (not world of warcraft) works pretty impressively on it |
| 00:35.16 | FlAWD | even my creative zen mp3 player had drivers for x64 |
| 00:35.26 | FlAWD | yea |
| 00:35.50 | FlAWD | all i need drivers for are chipset and video really .. and they're both nvidia |
| 00:35.54 | DracoDan | one of the only valid reasons to want it is if you have a true need for 4gb+ of ram |
| 00:36.01 | DracoDan | actually ~3.2gb or more |
| 00:36.21 | FlAWD | i don't *truly need* more than 3GB ... but i figure if i have 4, why not have it available just in case? |
| 00:36.29 | DracoDan | FlAWD: i dont run common hardware, so its not so easy |
| 00:36.56 | FlAWD | i make videos from wow from time to time ... and record raw avi at 1280x1024 .. that's a ram hog |
| 00:37.03 | DracoDan | especially for my perc4e/dc |
| 00:37.09 | norgs | FlAWD: We have a Dell laptop at work which will not install XP. We had to put Vista on it. |
| 00:37.12 | FlAWD | your who? |
| 00:37.14 | DracoDan | yeah, but a tiny screen :/ |
| 00:37.47 | FlAWD | yea norgs ... most PCs that come with vista can't have XP on them ... XP doesn't have drivers for newer hardware, and newer hardware is dropping backward compatibility |
| 00:37.51 | DracoDan | norgs: what model? |
| 00:38.03 | DracoDan | bullshit |
| 00:38.21 | DracoDan | even laptops use what are considered cots parts |
| 00:38.23 | norgs | huh? |
| 00:38.40 | DracoDan | what model dell laptop wont install xp? |
| 00:38.42 | FlAWD | i run in a computer repair shop ... since january i've had 20+ people with vista machines come in for XP put on them |
| 00:38.44 | FlAWD | only 2 worked |
| 00:39.00 | DracoDan | ive downgraded like 10 personally |
| 00:39.07 | DracoDan | havent had an issue yet |
| 00:39.08 | FlAWD | for most of them we even called the manufacturer for xp drivers with no luck |
| 00:39.15 | norgs | I dunno, and it's Saturday. I'm at home, and I'm not going into work to check! |
| 00:39.17 | FrostByghte | you sure are pushy DracoDan, see what being on a server for 4 years does to you? |
| 00:39.23 | DracoDan | that includes a pair of dell xps 710s |
| 00:39.36 | DracoDan | heh, yeah, irc did do thi to me :P |
| 00:39.45 | DracoDan | spend some time in #2cpu and youll understnad |
| 00:39.52 | FlAWD | most of the time when we can't install XP on them, is lack of IDE or SATA drivers on the XP install disc ... so it can't see the hard drive |
| 00:39.58 | FrostByghte | I think I'll pass, I still value my humanity ;) |
| 00:40.19 | DracoDan | dude, you have to load the drivers when you start the install |
| 00:40.35 | FlAWD | and where should we get them? i've tried integrating them into the windows cd |
| 00:40.39 | FlAWD | and making F6 disks |
| 00:40.42 | DracoDan | you know "press F5 if you need to install disk controller drivers" |
| 00:40.44 | FlAWD | but with NO XP drivers at all |
| 00:40.49 | FlAWD | on the support site |
| 00:40.57 | FlAWD | vista chipset drivers don't help |
| 00:41.15 | DracoDan | please, give me an example of one of the systems |
| 00:41.24 | FlAWD | oh god i can't remember |
| 00:41.35 | FlAWD | 4-5 of them were HP |
| 00:41.39 | FlAWD | can't remember model |
| 00:41.57 | norgs | Anybody who thinks that microsoft are incapable of focing people to upgrade to vista needs to rethink how greedy microsoft are |
| 00:42.04 | DracoDan | if for example the computer is an HP, find out what the chipset is and get it off the chipset manufactures website, not off of hp.com |
| 00:42.36 | FlAWD | hmm .. now that's one thing i didn't try |
| 00:42.39 | FlAWD | thanks :D |
| 00:42.40 | DracoDan | norgs: they tried with dell, they told dell "you will sell only vista", dell bitch slapped ms and said "no" |
| 00:42.49 | FlAWD | nonono |
| 00:42.53 | FlAWD | dell said "ok massa" |
| 00:42.55 | DracoDan | hence you can get xp installed on new dells |
| 00:42.58 | FlAWD | then customers stopped buying |
| 00:43.04 | DracoDan | well, yeah |
| 00:43.04 | FlAWD | and dell went back to selling both xp and vista |
| 00:43.17 | DracoDan | i shortened the story, i hate typing... |
| 00:43.20 | FlAWD | rofl |
| 00:44.18 | DracoDan | anyway, i would bet $100 that not a computer exists that can run vista, but not xp |
| 00:44.33 | FlAWD | you know what pisses me off today at work? i had a sony vaio (eww) desktop in ... and on some of them .. they limit the main partition to 6-7GB for the OS and expect general consumers to save data to the other drive |
| 00:44.33 | bleeter | EU courts would have a field day |
| 00:44.41 | DracoDan | it may take a smarter than average person to do the install |
| 00:45.05 | DracoDan | FlAWD: yup |
| 00:45.22 | DracoDan | and they always have strange hardware |
| 00:45.27 | norgs | Eventually MS will just stop selling XP |
| 00:45.45 | FlAWD | i hate sony computers anyway ... they don't manufacture spare parts for laptops ... you gotta find a busted one with a working part that you need |
| 00:45.48 | DracoDan | norgs: all that will do is make blackmarket copies that much more common |
| 00:45.58 | FlAWD | and you pay an extra $100+ just for the name |
| 00:46.26 | DracoDan | but in sonys defense, theyre laptops are a little tougher than most out there |
| 00:46.35 | FlAWD | they just released XP service pack 2b .. which enables the use of 100s of thousands of new CD keys due to more demand for XP |
| 00:46.57 | norgs | anyhow, all this chatter is OT |
| 00:47.00 | FlAWD | they are .. but impossible to replace a spare part .. i had a vaio laptop in last week with a bad motherboard |
| 00:47.14 | FlAWD | all i could find were NON WORKING boards for $200 or more |
| 00:47.15 | FlAWD | heh |
| 00:47.21 | FlAWD | yea .. OT .. sorry ... /hide |
| 00:47.40 | DracoDan | laptop repairs are ludicrous anyway, it costs less for a cheap dell than it would be to repair them |
| 00:48.05 | FlAWD | tru .. for the most part .. unless you can do the work yourself |
| 00:48.07 | norgs | not that there's a lot of OnTopic chatter on this channel, but still |
| 00:48.15 | FlAWD | hehe |
| 00:48.26 | DracoDan | FlAWD: #2cpu is a HUGE hardware channel, we argue about stuff like this all day |
| 00:48.50 | FlAWD | /j #f~#2cpu |
| 00:48.51 | FlAWD | oop |
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| 00:51.29 | DracoDan | as with most techie type people, they arent the most welcoming to outsiders |
| 00:51.54 | FlAWD | lol i understand |
| 00:52.16 | FlAWD | i can make friends easily though .. i'll just butt in on a conversation like i just did here :D |
| 00:55.48 | FlAWD | hey norgs .. have you ever thought of hosting your addons on wowace? or do you have to make them in a specific way to be on there? |
| 00:57.59 | norgs | no, we haven't and probably won't |
| 00:58.22 | norgs | wowace is quite welcome to host on our svn though |
| 00:59.06 | norgs | oh, what? they don't want to move either? darn. seems like people just want to have control of their own svn's then |
| 00:59.42 | norgs | basically, we like having admin level control of our SVN. if we moved to ace, we would lose that |
| 00:59.46 | FlAWD | i see |
| 01:00.08 | FlAWD | it's just i use the wowace updater and i love it ... your addons are the only ones that i have to download seperately |
| 01:00.14 | FlAWD | no biggie though .. it's worth it :D |
| 01:03.11 | norgs | well, we moved away from sourceforge so we could have more autonomity. and we like having our own SVN and stuff |
| 01:03.47 | bleeter | does wowace updater not support more repositories/download locations apart from their own? |
| 01:04.29 | bleeter | 'coz really that's what the community needs, some updater thingie that can handle wowace, cosmos, norgs, wowi, etc. etc. Sure, I've got a nasty shell script that does this.. but it's *really* nasty still. |
| 01:04.40 | norgs | the wowace svn isn't publically accessible, is it? |
| 01:05.00 | bleeter | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/ |
| 01:05.48 | bleeter | i might even look at writing such a beastie in QT over summer |
| 01:06.21 | bleeter | 'coz I threatened to do so earlier this year, then went and got myself enrolled @ Uni... consequently still learning about Java for loops in.. week.. 9/10 |
| 01:08.38 | norgs | hmmm... that's not the URL I've been using... |
| 01:11.03 | norgs | http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/ |
| 01:11.18 | bleeter | that's got a uname/pw prompt for me |
| 01:11.20 | norgs | looks like the same repository though |
| 01:11.32 | norgs | maybe different servers |
| 01:11.48 | norgs | same (or replicated) db |
| 01:11.49 | bleeter | prolly same server, one enforces login |
| 01:11.56 | bleeter | vserver thing |
| 01:18.14 | kbrosnan_ | i am using auctioneer advanced r200 and seeing some really large counts for items, |
| 01:18.54 | kbrosnan_ | at random times it will purge all the old data. is this correct behavior? |
| 01:19.31 | kbrosnan_ | and by large i meen 10k+ when there is no more than 7k items |
| 01:20.06 | norgs | this sounds about right |
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| 02:05.16 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: 03normal * r2207 10!nlog/: Correct externals for nSidebar |
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| 03:51.01 | Speeddymon | can someone tell me where to find the option in AucAdvanced to set the maximum percent below market that it will try to markdown before giving up and pricing an item at maxless? |
| 03:52.09 | Speeddymon | because im trying to sell an item that is going for a min buyout of 30g, and it is setting the price at the average price, which isnt what i want.. using r2200 |
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| 04:19.42 | dinesh | Speeddymon: as far as i know, we don't have an undercut pricer written yet. |
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| 05:00.53 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: 03norganna * r2208 10/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Add scan image archiving to the Auc-ScanData addon. |
| 05:33.26 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: 03norganna * r2209 10auc-advanced/Modules/Auc-Util-ScanButton/ScanButton.lua: Fix error with changing config before AH has been opened. Thanks to loranas for the report. |
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| 08:24.07 | rophy | norgs: looks like there if a memory leak in nSideBar that if I RemoveButton() and AddButton() again , the reference to the old button is lost and new one is created again? |
| 08:24.17 | rophy | sigh our timezone differ too much |
| 08:25.56 | rophy | if major "nSideBar', the RemoveButton is doing "frame.buttons[id] = nil", so if I repeatly call AddButton() and RemoveButton(), new buttons will be created repeatly and old ones are lost. |
| 08:26.43 | rophy | I am implementing some kind of toggle on nSideBar buttons, so add/remove buttons with the same id will occur. |
| 08:57.03 | norgs | rophy: hi |
| 08:57.08 | rophy | hi hi |
| 08:57.41 | norgs | I need someone to help me to finish off nsidebar |
| 08:57.45 | norgs | wanna volunteer? |
| 08:57.51 | rophy | please see the above messages, imo RemoveButton should track removed buttons |
| 08:57.52 | rophy | hmmmmmm |
| 08:58.00 | norgs | i simply haven't got enough time at the moment |
| 08:58.27 | rophy | if I am to make some changes, I want the real authors to know and accept it first |
| 08:58.41 | norgs | real authors? |
| 08:58.45 | rophy | trying to avoid adding somethings you might not like |
| 08:58.48 | rophy | i.e. you and may be some othes? |
| 08:58.55 | norgs | just me |
| 08:59.02 | rophy | just you then |
| 08:59.21 | norgs | you interested in working on it for a little bit? |
| 08:59.31 | rophy | there are something i'd like to see in nSideBar but not sure if you like it, like adding optional button name on AddButton |
| 08:59.39 | norgs | yes |
| 09:00.12 | rophy | may be i'll branch and add whatever I want first, you merge them later if you accept the changes? |
| 09:00.16 | norgs | i'm also working on button events, right click events, movable bars, new config sustem |
| 09:00.27 | rophy | on nSideBar? |
| 09:00.30 | norgs | yeah |
| 09:00.46 | norgs | but i don't have enough time to finish at the moment |
| 09:00.58 | rophy | i thought authors are supposed to feed in the button events themselves |
| 09:00.59 | norgs | too much work on aucadvanced |
| 09:01.03 | rophy | that is good enough imo |
| 09:01.22 | norgs | uhm, kinda |
| 09:01.42 | norgs | this is to feed the events back into the button so they don't need to hook |
| 09:02.01 | rophy | hmm... |
| 09:02.27 | norgs | iem they just need to add their own OnEnter function into the button |
| 09:02.49 | rophy | what if they actually want to overwrite the default OnEnter, not just post-hook? |
| 09:02.52 | norgs | the created button looks for that function and if it exists, calls it |
| 09:03.08 | norgs | i don't think that's a good idea |
| 09:03.24 | rophy | currently I decide if I want to hook or overwrite, and I take the responsibility for my own decision. |
| 09:03.28 | norgs | all the onenter does is keep the bar open |
| 09:03.28 | rophy | not that bad i think |
| 09:03.50 | norgs | because when you onenter the button, you actually onleave the bar |
| 09:04.19 | rophy | hmm... |
| 09:04.26 | norgs | and if you don't have the button's onenter keep the bar open, it will close because you have left the bar |
| 09:07.09 | rophy | the problem I encountered is that.... the buttons on my nSideBar shows a dewdrop menu on right click |
| 09:07.18 | rophy | I wanted the bar to remain shown when the dewdrop menu is opened |
| 09:07.51 | rophy | but couldn't find an easy way to do that, so instead I try to make the dewdrop menu not anchor to the button, so that it won't move when the bar pops back. |
| 09:08.24 | norgs | Ahh, i see |
| 09:08.34 | norgs | yes, could be a bit of a problem there |
| 09:08.52 | rophy | my solution atm is to use a anchoring frame |
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| 17:28.10 | Neimoon | Hello? I had a question about Gatherer if anyone can help? |
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| 17:30.05 | Neimoon | See, I tried following the directions of the GatherDB, and the import succeeded. The wiki said I no longer needed the db mod enabled, but whenever I do this, Gather gives me an error message every few seconds. Is there something I'm doing wrong? If not, I don't mind keeping the db mod on. |
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| 17:48.30 | Nickenyfiken | Hi, is there a explanation of the pricing models in Auctioneer advanced somewhere? |
| 17:50.01 | MentalPower | Simple: floating average over a set of days 14,7,3,1. StdDev: Standard Deviation over all the samples Purchased: Average over the prices that were actually paid |
| 17:50.12 | MentalPower | WowEcon: WowEcon prices |
| 17:52.06 | Nickenyfiken | Ah thanks |
| 17:56.34 | Nickenyfiken | What model do you recommend? My mule got a lot of low level tradeskill mats to sell of. :-) |
| 17:57.22 | MentalPower | you'll just have to see which one is better for your server |
| 17:57.36 | MentalPower | each one has its advantages and disadvantages |
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| 17:58.19 | Nickenyfiken | Generally i prefer getting it sold, not maximize how much i earn |
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| 19:36.20 | CIA-17 | auctioneer: 03mentalpower * r2210 10auc-scandata/nStringRope.lua: Optimized the :Clear() and :Get() methods of the nStringRope library. |
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| 20:18.47 | LuckyLuciano | oh i forgot to say, thanks MentalPower for the solution of /run EnhancedTooltip:SetScale(1.1) for making the text bigger; worked fine for me - i went to 1.2 though, since my eyesight is crappy in my old age :( |
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| 20:26.52 | Saxxoo^^ | ~auctstuff |
| 20:26.52 | purl | I know about the following topics (type one for more info): ~aucdeletesv, ~auctioneerbeta, ~auctioneersvn, ~aucttrac, ~auctdoc, ~auctinstall, ~enxstatus, ~enxstatusdetails, ~norgbug <nickname> |
| 20:27.30 | LuckyLuciano | ItemValue in AucAdv settings; whats a good bet to set it to? |
| 20:27.37 | LuckyLuciano | just got it on Average(default) atm |
| 20:28.26 | LuckyLuciano | mm I mean Appraiser settings for deafult pricing model |
| 20:28.26 | Saxxoo^^ | if a guildmember is asking in guild chat for an AH value of an item what does he need to ask for auctioneer addon to trigger the askprice info? |
| 20:28.32 | LuckyLuciano | its at market value, 24h atm |
| 20:28.43 | LuckyLuciano | whats [item] worth? |
| 20:29.31 | LuckyLuciano | you can change that in Appraiser COnfiguration |
| 20:31.40 | Saxxoo^^ | and where do I find that configuration? |
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| 20:39.56 | Jaker | just downloaded auctioneer..its not workign for me..when I click on AH it still comes up as game AH |
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| 21:03.49 | FlAWD | can purl do bytes to megabytes or gigabytes conversion? |
| 21:04.10 | FlAWD | 11741919b = mb |
| 21:06.44 | FlAWD | i love google |
| 21:07.03 | FlAWD | /google 11741919 bytes to megabytes |
| 21:07.03 | FlAWD | gives me |
| 21:07.03 | FlAWD | 11 741 919 bytes = 11.1979666 megabytes |
| 21:07.33 | FlAWD | 4Downloaded: 11.20 MB 4 Uploaded: 8.51 MB |
| 21:07.48 | FlAWD | close nuff :D |
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| 21:42.14 | Cera | google's answer is correct |
| 21:42.47 | FlAWD | ty :) |
| 21:43.04 | FlAWD | just messing with some netstat functions |
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