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| 00:38.29 | graymouser | MentalPower: thanks for changeset 1107. it works for 1067 as well, so I'm all set now until TBC is out.. |
| 00:39.38 | TseTse| | anything needing testing? |
| 00:40.24 | graymouser | wow, you are hardcore. |
| 00:41.03 | graymouser | I'm on here like maybe once every three days, and you are back for more.. ;> |
| 01:00.14 | MentalPower|Busy | lol |
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| 02:18.24 | GomiSensei|WoWin | hmm, still sybby blocked |
| 02:19.30 | MentalPower|Busy | ya |
| 02:19.39 | MentalPower|Busy | I'll work something out |
| 02:20.33 | MentalPower|Busy | probably a big red warning telling the user to not mess with the bags while posting auctions |
| 02:20.55 | MentalPower|Busy | if the queue gets out of sync its their problem |
| 02:21.07 | MentalPower|Busy | at least till january, should be fixed by then |
| 02:27.31 | norgs|laptop | don't even worry about it |
| 02:27.52 | norgs|laptop | they should know enough to not touch the bags while posting stuff |
| 02:28.09 | norgs|laptop | i still reckon the preclick abort is the way to go |
| 02:29.11 | norgs|laptop | although esamynn's mousetrap idea was a good one too |
| 02:30.15 | MentalPower|Busy | mousetrap was good, and I was going to implement it, but then I remembered that I Ctrl+Click the bags to queue up more auctions while one is processing |
| 02:30.39 | norgs|laptop | tbh, i can see that mousetrap getting killed one day |
| 02:30.40 | MentalPower|Busy | as for the preclick, I still don't fully understand it |
| 02:31.21 | norgs|laptop | well, maybe i didn't understand what the problem was exactly |
| 02:32.00 | norgs|laptop | as far as i understand it, you're picking stuff up, splitting, and putting into the ah posting thingo |
| 02:32.11 | MentalPower|Busy | yeah |
| 02:32.33 | MentalPower|Busy | and we're advancing the processing via use of the ITEM_LOCKED_CHANGED events |
| 02:32.41 | norgs|laptop | and this doesn't happen all at once? |
| 02:32.50 | MentalPower|Busy | no |
| 02:33.24 | norgs|laptop | so when you pickup, you have to wait until you get confirmation that it was picked up? |
| 02:33.26 | MentalPower|Busy | it happens over multiple frames, because the client locks items in the bags pending confirmation from the server that it changed locations |
| 02:33.33 | MentalPower|Busy | right |
| 02:34.28 | norgs|laptop | and you're worried that after you tell it to pickup, the user may click another frame? like before you got confirmation, yet after the item was picked up? |
| 02:34.39 | norgs|laptop | do you think this is feasible? |
| 02:35.04 | MentalPower|Busy | no |
| 02:35.15 | MentalPower|Busy | the ITEM_LOCKED_EVENT doesn't have any args |
| 02:35.20 | norgs|laptop | so what are you worried about? |
| 02:35.29 | MentalPower|Busy | so we assume that the event was in response to our own actions |
| 02:35.47 | MentalPower|Busy | so if the user starts moving stuff around in their bags, the queue will get messed up |
| 02:35.58 | MentalPower|Busy | cause moving stuff triggers the event |
| 02:36.21 | norgs|laptop | right, so my preclick abort would be perfect |
| 02:36.32 | MentalPower|Busy | how? |
| 02:36.37 | norgs|laptop | ok.... let me explain, step-by-step: |
| 02:36.47 | MentalPower|Busy | ok |
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| 02:37.43 | norgs|laptop | we begin the process of doing our thing, we set a global Auctioneer.abort = false |
| 02:39.52 | norgs|laptop | we have a hook into the ContainerItem_OnEnter function, which SetScript hooks the PreClick event to our preclick processor: function() Auctioneer.abort = true if (Auctioneer.oldPreclick) then Auctioneer.oldPreclick() end end |
| 02:41.03 | norgs|laptop | then in each of our ITEM_LOCKED_EVENT handlers, we check if Auctioneer.abort... if so, we stop processing the queue and tell the user to stop being a stupid mong |
| 02:41.55 | norgs|laptop | (end) |
| 02:43.17 | MentalPower|Busy | ah, I get it now |
| 02:44.58 | norgs|laptop | a setscript hook, would look like: local exist = this:GetScript("PreClick") if (exist) then this.auctOldPreclick = exist end this:SetScript("PreClick". Auctioneer.ContainerPreClick) |
| 02:45.34 | norgs|laptop | and s/Auctioneer.oldPreclick/this.auctOldPreclick/ above |
| 02:45.59 | norgs|laptop | (since the preclick hooking needs to be on a per-containeritem basis |
| 02:47.23 | MentalPower|Busy | I don't see any holes or red flags, so I'll implement it as soon as I finish this physics project |
| 02:47.34 | MentalPower|Busy | shoudn't be too long |
| 02:48.22 | norgs|laptop | it's basically changing the way auctioneer works from preventing interruption to detecting interruption and aborting |
| 02:49.32 | MentalPower|Busy | yup |
| 02:49.57 | norgs|laptop | although, if there's 2 addons doing direct calls to pickupitem, then there could be problems, but the user deserves everything they get in that case |
| 02:50.57 | norgs|laptop | this is just going to cover the case that the user thinks they can move stuff around while auctioneer's doing it's thing |
| 02:59.43 | Cera | MP, did you read my ticket and understand it? |
| 03:00.25 | MentalPower|Busy | Cera: yes, I did, its in my queue for after this project (about 15mins to go now) |
| 03:02.27 | norgs|laptop | too the office |
| 03:02.29 | norgs|laptop | brb |
| 03:04.08 | Cera | have any idea why it happens? I have yet to understand why it's bitchy about data types and it seems to happen randomly |
| 03:09.01 | MentalPower|Busy | well, Lua is bitchy cause even tho it auto-converts from string to number when doing things such as "1"+2 and "1"..2, it doesn't know what to do when you do something like "2" == 2 |
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| 04:15.20 | norgs|laptop | dunno if that classifies as "right back"... but oh well |
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| 04:16.49 | MentalPower | errr... no :P |
| 04:29.36 | MentalPower | norgs: I made a news post, but even with HTML selected and adding </br> tags the thing won't show on more than one line |
| 04:30.36 | norgs | <br/> |
| 04:30.43 | norgs | or </br> ? |
| 04:30.58 | norgs | cause there's no such thing as </br> |
| 04:31.51 | graymouser | <br> is what yer after, I believe? |
| 04:32.02 | MentalPower | ~lart me |
| 04:32.06 | norgs | <br/> is XHTML compliant |
| 04:32.10 | MentalPower | right |
| 04:32.14 | Cera | norgs has it correct with <br/> |
| 04:32.22 | norgs | it's the same as <br></br> |
| 04:32.43 | Cera | there is no </br> |
| 04:32.45 | Cera | ever |
| 04:32.46 | norgs | cause in XHTML, all open tags must have a closing tag, or be self closing |
| 04:33.13 | norgs | in XHTML there is Cera |
| 04:33.17 | norgs | just not in HTML |
| 04:33.34 | MentalPower | yeah, and I knew this, but my mind didn't register it |
| 04:33.37 | norgs | whereas <br/> is XHTML and HTML compliant |
| 04:48.21 | MentalPower | Cera: your trac ticket is fixed |
| 04:48.44 | MentalPower | now off to yell at the users :) |
| 04:55.22 | Cera | need to do it for query.maxLevel too |
| 04:55.39 | MentalPower | I do |
| 04:56.09 | MentalPower | (tonumber(query.maxLevel) or math.huge) |
| 04:57.48 | Cera | oops, thought this error was the 2nd line from last night... |
| 04:57.52 | Cera | 1069 is doing it now |
| 04:57.55 | Cera | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.13 | MentalPower | grr! |
| 05:09.33 | norgs | MP: http://norganna.org/discuss/discussion/2928/all-of-our-20-addons-releases-are-postponed-for-2-weeks/ |
| 05:11.24 | MentalPower | sounds good, users will scream, but there's not much we can do |
| 05:21.10 | Cera | don't you mean released on live realms |
| 05:25.21 | Cairenn | glad to see you guys doing that |
| 05:25.25 | Cairenn | RL >>>> mods |
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| 06:02.34 | norgs | If they scream, our stance will be that it was an ill considered date for Blizzard to release 2.0 :p |
| 06:03.50 | Cairenn | if they scream, ask them when they are going to start paying you |
| 06:04.04 | Cairenn | because that's the day they have the right to scream for you not meeting deadline |
| 06:04.37 | Cera | that's not a good answer, some people have donated |
| 06:05.29 | Cairenn | there's a difference between donating the price of a beer and paying the full time salary of a team of programmers |
| 06:05.37 | norgs | The main point is that Blizzard released it in the middle of exams |
| 06:06.17 | norgs | now that's neither Blizzard's fault, nor is it the Universities or the student's fault |
| 06:06.44 | norgs | it is inconvenient however, and the exams are more important than a game |
| 06:06.55 | Cairenn | yup |
| 06:07.19 | norgs | it does mean that a lot of people will be going without an addon or 2 for a few weeks though |
| 06:07.51 | norgs | but it'll be good for them and make them more appreciative of them when they do get them back :) |
| 06:08.03 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 06:08.55 | Cairenn | I agree that it sucks, but what can you do? |
| 06:08.59 | Cairenn | rl comes first |
| 06:10.02 | norgs | We could hack together a semi-working version... but I think that'd come back to bite us later |
| 06:11.25 | Harshmage | I still think Blizz is releasing 2.0 too soon |
| 06:14.20 | Harshmage | and now, the pre-downloader has declared the file unauthorized... |
| 06:21.23 | DrumBoy | well being Im a new guy here...first off I wanna say thanks to the devs of this addon...its defintely worked out well for me...now that being said it does kinda stink that im gonna be out it for 2 weeks...but i guess ill live :) |
| 06:21.55 | norgs | well, you can help us test the dev version :p |
| 06:22.31 | DrumBoy | what do i need to do to do that? |
| 06:23.11 | norgs | TortoiseSVN |
| 06:23.12 | DrumBoy | the dev versions on ur page 3.9 dont work or at least say incompatible with 2.0 on the PTR |
| 06:23.31 | norgs | http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ |
| 06:23.42 | norgs | (I assume you're on Windows?) |
| 06:25.02 | DrumBoy | yeah |
| 06:25.31 | DrumBoy | what does it do exactly and should i get the 32 bit or 64 bit |
| 06:25.50 | DrumBoy | I have an amd 3800+ dual core |
| 06:26.01 | Harshmage | winXP? |
| 06:26.14 | DrumBoy | yeah |
| 06:26.19 | norgs | sounds like 32 bit |
| 06:26.19 | Harshmage | 32 bit |
| 06:26.41 | DrumBoy | i have the beta of Vista 64 but never installed it |
| 06:26.41 | Cera | xp has a 64 bit version but that cpu is 32 bit |
| 06:26.44 | norgs | it's a subversion repository client |
| 06:27.45 | norgs | a subversion repository is a collaborative editing environment that multiple developers can use to edit stuff simultaneously |
| 06:27.53 | norgs | let's see if purl knows... |
| 06:27.56 | norgs | ~svn |
| 06:28.05 | purl | i heard subversion is version control software. see http://subversion.tigris.org/ it aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
| 06:28.05 | Harshmage | it's a check-in/check-out system |
| 06:28.06 | norgs | ~subversion |
| 06:28.08 | purl | well, subversion is version control software. see http://subversion.tigris.org/ it aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
| 06:28.42 | norgs | ~tortoisesvn |
| 06:29.06 | DrumBoy | well i installed it..so I need to re-boot but i can do that later...anything I need to do after that? |
| 06:29.10 | MentalPower | DrumBoy: stay away from Vista 64-bit, unless you want to work with living hell |
| 06:29.22 | Cera | you don't have to reboot |
| 06:30.26 | Harshmage | It asks to reboot...but you don't need to to run it |
| 06:30.32 | DrumBoy | thats y i didnt install it I might not get vista for awhile Im sure its gonna be buggy at release |
| 06:30.56 | norgs | purl, tortoisesvn is <reply> TortoiseSVN is a windows client that allows access to a subversion repository. (see http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/) |
| 06:30.58 | purl | norgs: okay |
| 06:31.21 | Harshmage | my tech department isn't going to think about releasing Vista to the campus till the first service pack.. |
| 06:31.32 | norgs | no purl, tortoisesvn is <reply> TortoiseSVN is a Windows SVN client that allows access to a Subversion repository. (see http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/) |
| 06:31.47 | norgs | purl, no tortoisesvn is <reply> TortoiseSVN is a Windows SVN client that allows access to a Subversion repository. (see http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/) |
| 06:31.48 | purl | okay, norgs |
| 06:31.57 | norgs | ~pat purl |
| 06:31.59 | purl | ACTION pats purl and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 06:32.03 | DrumBoy | ok now that its installed...hate to sound really stupid here but what do i do with it? |
| 06:32.07 | MentalPower | ~botsnack |
| 06:32.07 | purl | MentalPower: aw, gee |
| 06:32.25 | MentalPower | I'm out, long ass day its been |
| 06:33.13 | norgs | DrumBoy: you need to wait for 2.0 to be released |
| 06:33.43 | Cera | unless you're done playing until it's released |
| 06:34.03 | Harshmage | tomorrow.....in a couple hours, from where I am |
| 06:34.17 | norgs | after that however, you can go into your newly-cleaned-out Interface/AddOns folder and create a Gatherer folder |
| 06:34.34 | norgs | then right click on it, and select SVN Checkout from the meny |
| 06:35.25 | DrumBoy | im still playing atm...is 2.0 gonna clean my interface folder...cuz i have like a boat load of addons...lol |
| 06:35.43 | Harshmage | 2.0 is just gonna make them go splat |
| 06:35.45 | norgs | enter the following URL into the Repository URL field: http://norganna.org/svn/gatherer/branches/3.0 |
| 06:36.03 | norgs | DrumBoy: not a single one of them will work under wow 2.0 |
| 06:36.36 | Cera | not even with enable out of date addons checked if you're even considering that |
| 06:36.39 | norgs | you will need to go and find 2.0 compatible versions or replacements for each and every one of them |
| 06:36.43 | DrumBoy | will cosmos has a beta version and so does titan panel and CTmod will have something available so they say |
| 06:37.27 | DrumBoy | which brings me to a question...is there gonna be a database converter once u release auctioneer...I would hate to lose all the info i have gathered |
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| 06:38.36 | Cera | well for one you can get most info back after a couple scans |
| 06:39.06 | norgs | DrumBoy. There will eventually be one |
| 06:39.14 | Lukian | where do I get the svn/latest dev version from? |
| 06:39.16 | Cera | for another, it's not going to stay relevant very long anyhow, BC will have a huge impact on the old market |
| 06:39.45 | Harshmage | well, I'm going to bed....only issue with working for the campus you graduated from is that they now expect you to show up every day... |
| 06:40.00 | Lukian | hehe Harsh |
| 06:40.06 | norgs | DrumBoy. I would strongly advise starting with a completely new database each patch |
| 06:40.52 | norgs | many times people have been caught seriously out because of drastic changes to the market due to content changes |
| 06:41.24 | norgs | minor patches are ok, but for a major point release change, I would really recommend clearing |
| 06:42.27 | DrumBoy | well I back it up i back up all my addons anyway...so ur saying i should clean out my interface AND my saved varibles for all my addons? |
| 06:42.48 | Cera | for 2.0, yeah |
| 06:43.11 | Cera | and norgs is saying to clear auctioneer every major patch |
| 06:44.08 | norgs | The number of people who get caught out, using old data after a patch where the drop-rate for things changes is crazy |
| 06:44.23 | norgs | and 2.0 is gonna be the mother of all patches |
| 06:44.49 | norgs | i really recommend clearing your data and waiting for a couple of weeks for it to build back up again |
| 06:45.14 | norgs | in the meantime, be very cautious with it's recommendations |
| 06:45.24 | DrumBoy | yeah i know I gonna get hit with one thing...i bought a book for my hunter today and i forgot at least on PTR u can train to where the book level is...so if that stands that book is gonna be useless..and have zero value |
| 06:46.17 | MentalPower|ZZzz | dev downloads have been updated to the current trunk SVN version, really out now, gnight |
| 06:46.57 | DrumBoy | should i install watcher too...i havent goten that yet i dont think...does that development? |
| 06:47.27 | *** topic/#norganna by MentalPower|ZZzz -> Discussion and support for Norganna's AddOns | Go Test Auctioneer 3.9! | TBC-Compat versions in the works | Norganna's AddOns for WoW-2.0 will be out in about two weeks (Dec 16th) | http://norganna.pastey.net/ | Patience, my young padawan. |
| 06:47.43 | *** topic/#norganna by MentalPower|ZZzz -> Discussion and support for Norganna's AddOns | Go Test Auctioneer 3.9! | Norganna's AddOns for WoW-2.0 will be out in about two weeks (Dec 16th) | http://norganna.pastey.net/ | Patience, my young padawan. |
| 06:48.09 | *** topic/#norganna by MentalPower|ZZzz -> Discussion and support for Norganna's AddOns | Go Test Auctioneer 3.9! | Norganna's AddOns for WoW-2.0 will be out in about two weeks (Dec 19th) | http://norganna.pastey.net/ | Patience, my young padawan. |
| 06:48.35 | MentalPower|ZZzz | sorry about the spam :) |
| 06:54.47 | DrumBoy | well i lied just went to ctmod looks as tho thiers prolly wont be ready tomorrow wither..lol |
| 07:04.23 | DrumBoy | btw no one has explained how this svc thing actually helps u guys...does it upload info? |
| 07:08.50 | Cera | it's a tool for developers to store different versions of code, all you're using it for is to download the latest version |
| 07:18.46 | norgs | ok |
| 07:18.58 | norgs | no need to use that SVN thingo anymore |
| 07:19.17 | norgs | I've fixed the Gatherer build script thingo |
| 07:19.20 | norgs | http://gathereraddon.com/dl/Gatherer/ |
| 07:19.40 | norgs | gatherer-2.99.0.0331.zip is the latest SVN version |
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| 08:32.12 | norgs | Hi |
| 08:32.43 | AnonUser7322 | hi |
| 08:33.16 | norgs | It's pretty quiet in here at the moment... everyone's asleep |
| 08:33.20 | AnonUser7322 | I just posted onto the topic about a person for programming statistics/econometric concepts into auctioneer |
| 08:33.35 | AnonUser7322 | its only 4:33 pm here |
| 08:33.47 | AnonUser7322 | I moved to China to teach English |
| 08:34.01 | AnonUser7322 | Are you Norganna? |
| 08:34.28 | norgs | yup - that'd be me |
| 08:34.40 | AnonUser7322 | you should read what I wrote |
| 08:34.57 | AnonUser7322 | I have some ideas that would be fairly simple to implement |
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| 08:35.24 | AnonUser7322 | does Auctioneer record the time and date of prices recorded? |
| 08:35.38 | norgs | kind of |
| 08:35.47 | AnonUser7322 | what do you mean? |
| 08:35.52 | norgs | it doesn't keep historical data however |
| 08:36.02 | AnonUser7322 | explain |
| 08:36.04 | norgs | it keeps the time of the last item |
| 08:36.21 | AnonUser7322 | oh ok |
| 08:36.23 | norgs | auctioneer has to function in a limited quantity of memory |
| 08:36.34 | AnonUser7322 | then my assumptions were correct |
| 08:36.45 | norgs | so it (currently) keeps a small window of valid values |
| 08:37.00 | AnonUser7322 | unfortunately this limits the possible options for econometric analysis |
| 08:37.07 | norgs | yes |
| 08:37.17 | norgs | this is one of our fundamental issues |
| 08:37.32 | AnonUser7322 | you can do a simple regression though |
| 08:38.15 | AnonUser7322 | then test the current values against the expectected values and sort through by which ones are the farthest below normal |
| 08:38.45 | AnonUser7322 | pretty easy to code, but you dont even have to do that much |
| 08:39.32 | AnonUser7322 | you could eliminate a lot of 'looser' items if you just sorted through and displayed the items that have been listed more than 30 times |
| 08:39.41 | AnonUser7322 | wouldnt be as good though |
| 08:39.53 | AnonUser7322 | the best would be to actually run the regressions |
| 08:40.44 | norgs | i don't really understand what a regression is |
| 08:41.20 | AnonUser7322 | often there are great deals on items that have only been seen a few times, but everytime that it was seen it was really close to the same price and thus a pretty safe bet |
| 08:41.49 | AnonUser7322 | a regression basically just fits a line |
| 08:42.06 | AnonUser7322 | actually, since it is only one variable it isnt even really a regression |
| 08:42.18 | AnonUser7322 | you just calculate the standard deviation |
| 08:42.38 | AnonUser7322 | thats pretty much the same thing |
| 08:42.53 | AnonUser7322 | a regression is just like a standard deviation in more than one dimension |
| 08:43.09 | norgs | so what is the mathematical formula for a regression? |
| 08:43.20 | norgs | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_regression |
| 08:43.30 | norgs | is that what you are taling about? |
| 08:44.54 | AnonUser7322 | just a sec |
| 08:45.24 | AnonUser7322 | hmmm i dont think we can use wikki in China |
| 08:45.46 | norgs | ahh |
| 08:46.02 | norgs | so |
| 08:46.16 | norgs | going back to the standard deviation |
| 08:46.59 | norgs | since we only have a small set of data (say the 35 closest to the mean) over a given interval |
| 08:47.13 | norgs | would the standard deviation be useful? |
| 08:47.28 | AnonUser7322 | yes |
| 08:47.54 | AnonUser7322 | you want to see what prices are more than one or two stnadard deviations away form the mean |
| 08:48.19 | AnonUser7322 | that would allow you to "cherrypick' the best prices off the market |
| 08:48.31 | AnonUser7322 | in a RL market that kind of thing wouldnt work |
| 08:48.54 | AnonUser7322 | but my experience with wow shows that a lot of items are listed really low |
| 08:49.01 | norgs | but don't you need all the data points to work out the std deviation? |
| 08:49.17 | AnonUser7322 | in my opinion this is because the items actually have no real life value |
| 08:50.05 | AnonUser7322 | dont you have the data points, or how is the price you list for sugested buyout and bid calculated? |
| 08:50.52 | AnonUser7322 | also, you could just modify the current record of the standard deviation based on new prices and then you only have to resave that price |
| 08:50.56 | norgs | we have a moving window of datapoints, capped at 35 |
| 08:51.08 | AnonUser7322 | 35 data points is enough |
| 08:51.21 | norgs | but it's not the 35 last data points |
| 08:51.37 | norgs | it's the 35 points closest to the mean |
| 08:51.44 | AnonUser7322 | and actually that is pretty good because inflation actually is a factor and that will be minimized when you only look at the 35 most recent points |
| 08:51.55 | AnonUser7322 | although Im just trying to look on the bright side |
| 08:52.03 | AnonUser7322 | lol its never good to have less data |
| 08:52.17 | AnonUser7322 | oh hmmm |
| 08:52.21 | norgs | like i said. it's not the 35 most recent data points :) |
| 08:52.33 | AnonUser7322 | thats bad |
| 08:52.48 | AnonUser7322 | that means that it will actually become less accurate over time |
| 08:52.50 | norgs | yeah, cause one of those points could be ancient |
| 08:53.11 | AnonUser7322 | you have no way to tell if the first mean was actually a "correct" mean |
| 08:53.37 | AnonUser7322 | hmmmm |
| 08:53.44 | norgs | well, if there's a large number of high bids, it will gradually push the mean up over time |
| 08:53.58 | AnonUser7322 | you mean higher and higher |
| 08:54.16 | norgs | and a large number of lower bids will drive it lower |
| 08:54.22 | AnonUser7322 | true |
| 08:54.53 | AnonUser7322 | but if the bid is too far from the meanits rejected and not saved, even if it is valid |
| 08:55.07 | norgs | so it kind of floats around what should be the long-term median of the data if all the data points were present |
| 08:55.32 | norgs | because a high bid pushes out a low one, and a low bid pushes out a high one |
| 08:55.32 | AnonUser7322 | yeah |
| 08:55.51 | AnonUser7322 | that doesnt account for the changing volitility in the marke thtough |
| 08:55.56 | norgs | but it means that finding an accurate long-term std deviation would be impossible |
| 08:56.11 | AnonUser7322 | I mean that that doesnt account for periods of exceptionally high or exceptionally low trading |
| 08:56.28 | AnonUser7322 | hmmm yeah I see what you mean |
| 08:57.07 | norgs | i don't think the current way is too bad for what it does in the amount of memory that's available |
| 08:57.09 | AnonUser7322 | you keep track of how many times it has been seen right? |
| 08:57.48 | AnonUser7322 | yeah, but you wouldnt be interested if you didnt think it could be improved :) |
| 08:57.53 | norgs | it does mean that a short period of extremely high bids can nuke your entire long-term averages however |
| 08:58.04 | AnonUser7322 | exactly |
| 08:58.16 | AnonUser7322 | thats volatility in the market |
| 08:58.20 | norgs | even though they may only be a drop in the pool of your entire data set |
| 08:58.54 | AnonUser7322 | you just need to add to one number and keep track of how many items there are to get the long term mean right? |
| 08:59.10 | norgs | yes |
| 08:59.27 | AnonUser7322 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.28 | norgs | and that's what is used by the average algorithm at the moment |
| 08:59.55 | norgs | the 25-value sliding window is used by the median calculation |
| 08:59.58 | norgs | 35 |
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| 09:00.09 | norgs | actually, i think it may be 50 or 100 now |
| 09:00.18 | AnonUser7322 | cool |
| 09:00.37 | Cera | how about storing them with something identifying the order they were added, then throwing out the oldest opposite (higher/lower) value when a new one is added |
| 09:00.56 | Myuriko | hiya all |
| 09:01.10 | norgs | but it still suffers from the same problem of not necessarily being the /n/ most recent values |
| 09:01.12 | AnonUser7322 | that seems pretty arbitrary |
| 09:01.16 | Myuriko | so the auctioneer version for tomorrow is 3.9.1109 ? |
| 09:01.36 | norgs | Myuriko: that is a development version |
| 09:01.52 | norgs | Auctioneer Release will not be for another 2 weeks |
| 09:01.55 | Myuriko | so i saw, which is why i came to ask |
| 09:01.59 | Myuriko | ouch |
| 09:02.04 | norgs | you are welcome to try the Dev version however |
| 09:02.10 | Myuriko | expected though |
| 09:02.19 | AnonUser7322 | Im goign to think about this problem more carefully now that I know the limitations of the program |
| 09:02.21 | norgs | just make sure you backup your SavedVariables file |
| 09:02.48 | AnonUser7322 | Ill send another message when I think of something |
| 09:02.49 | norgs | AnonUser7322: Basically we can do anything, as long as the per-item memory consumption is not too great |
| 09:02.58 | AnonUser7322 | thanks for the explanation norganna |
| 09:03.22 | Myuriko | i hope my old one will continue to, more or less, work then, hehe |
| 09:03.26 | norgs | not a problem - thanks for adding your brain to the problem :) |
| 09:03.30 | Cera | actually it doesn't norgs |
| 09:03.34 | norgs | Myuriko: it will not |
| 09:03.40 | AnonUser7322 | I find it a very fasinating problem |
| 09:03.42 | AnonUser7322 | :) |
| 09:03.44 | AnonUser7322 | cya |
| 09:03.52 | AnonUser7322 | name it Tom btw |
| 09:03.56 | Myuriko | bleh |
| 09:04.00 | Myuriko | ah well |
| 09:04.27 | Cera | say a new higher than mean value is added, it throw out the oldest lower than mean value |
| 09:04.29 | norgs | Cera: it doesn't work? |
| 09:04.39 | Cera | it doesn't suffer from staleness |
| 09:05.01 | Cera | you always throw out the oldest one rather than the furthest deviation |
| 09:05.06 | norgs | Cera: hmmm |
| 09:06.19 | norgs | so you push entries in the end, and shift out the value closest to the start that is on the other side of the mean from the new value? |
| 09:06.19 | Cera | you could use the index as a way of telling age, 1 being oldest, 35 newest |
| 09:06.55 | Cera | then use a temp table (garbage collection galore?) to reorder it and find the mean |
| 09:07.38 | norgs | Cera, not necessarily if you reuse the same temp table |
| 09:07.42 | Cera | with whatever that averaging method you use to throw out top/bottom 25% |
| 09:08.17 | norgs | Cera, I actually quite like that idea |
| 09:08.18 | Cera | I'm not a hardcore programmer :-/ |
| 09:08.57 | norgs | it would certainly be a good alternative to the current sliding center algorithm |
| 09:11.00 | norgs | time to head home again |
| 09:11.05 | norgs | nite all |
| 09:11.19 | Cera | adios |
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| 09:54.40 | TseTse | <Esamynn> AnduinLothar posted a Lua script that will update a few thing for Lua 5.1 in wowi's beta section |
| 09:54.54 | TseTse | i just searched through UI forum for Anduin and couldnt find it. wrong forum? |
| 10:05.23 | TseTse | AHFavorites, AuctionFilterPlus, Jotter-K, SuperMacro and MinimapZoom (i intend to see if these will work with quick conversion) |
| 11:38.35 | TseTse | hmm, i cant turn off mining on gatherer |
| 11:38.55 | TseTse | and icons are "flickering" |
| 11:54.34 | TseTse | and the icons in azeroth are more traditional, but in outlands the 'empty' circles are barely visible |
| 11:55.21 | TseTse | and it still only loads icons after you've used them that session |
| 11:56.26 | TseTse | and this error: attempt to index local 'gatherinfo' (a nil value) gatherutil.lua line: 162 count: 2 |
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| 13:02.27 | TseTse | oh wait. seems my OLD data shows up differently than the new data |
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| 14:36.27 | BlkDragon | Where can I get 3.9 to test? |
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| 14:53.31 | Sheppy | Howdy all... I just wanted to throw my hat in the ring for any testing that you need. I've been using auctioneer / beancounter / etc for quite a while and have a background in software development and QA. If there are any specific things that you want looked at, let me know. |
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| 15:18.56 | AnonUser9554 | Good morning |
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| 15:29.31 | Catzman | So, no working addons for 2 weeks? that's going to suck pretty badly |
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| 16:37.40 | Skia | anyone around? |
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| 17:46.36 | m0oman | moo! |
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| 17:59.26 | tcgiant | wow, hell of a channel |
| 17:59.58 | samwise | hell? why that? ;-) |
| 18:00.26 | tcgiant | used to small channels |
| 18:01.22 | tcgiant | I heard this was the place to go to discuss helping test auctioneer 2.0 |
| 18:01.36 | tcgiant | that mod saves me so much time, effort, and trouble |
| 18:02.09 | samwise | right, you're a bit early , the devs come later |
| 18:02.31 | tcgiant | that works out perfectly, seeing as how I have to go to class shortly anyway |
| 18:03.18 | tcgiant | so now I gotta ask the question, are you samwise as in samwise samwise or samwise as in some guy who just likes hobbits |
| 18:03.38 | samwise | worldwide timedifferences ;-) i came from school you go to ... |
| 18:03.41 | TseTse | or perhaps the more anonymous samwise |
| 18:04.05 | tcgiant | perhaps |
| 18:04.10 | tcgiant | but an interesting coincidence |
| 18:04.52 | samwise | yes i read the lord of the rings ;-) and i'm a friend in dangerous situations , perfect nickname :-P |
| 18:05.02 | tcgiant | ha |
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| 19:17.16 | *** topic/#norganna by MentalPower|Univ -> Discussion and support for Norganna's AddOns | Norganna's AddOns for WoW-2.0 will be out in about two weeks (Dec 19th) | Developer version of norganna's AddOns are available from www.auctioneeraddon.com/dl | http://norganna.pastey.net/ | Patience, my young padawan. |
| 19:18.37 | *** topic/#norganna by MentalPower -> Discussion and support for Norganna's AddOns | Norganna's AddOns for WoW-2.0 will be out in about two weeks (Dec 19th) | Developer version of norganna's AddOns are available from http://auctioneeraddon.com/dl & http://gathereraddon.com/dl/Gatherer/ | http://norganna.pastey.net/ | Patience, my young padawan. |
| 19:19.10 | *** topic/#norganna by MentalPower -> Discussion and support for Norganna's AddOns | Norganna's AddOns for WoW-2.0 will be out in about two weeks (Dec 19th) | Developer version of norganna's AddOns are available from http://auctioneeraddon.com/dl & http://gathereraddon.com/ | http://norganna.pastey.net/ | Patience, my young padawan. |
| 19:19.14 | MentalPower | there |
| 19:19.31 | Imrcly | spiffy |
| 19:19.54 | *** topic/#norganna by MentalPower -> Discussion and support for Norganna's AddOns | Norganna's AddOns for WoW-2.0 (Auctioneer 4.0 & Gatherer 3.0) will be released in about two weeks (Dec 19th) | Developer version of norganna's AddOns are available from http://auctioneeraddon.com/dl & http://gathereraddon.com/ | http://norganna.pastey.net/ | Patience, my young padawan. |
| 19:39.49 | TseTse | how's it goin? =) |
| 19:40.33 | TseTse | woah, somebody was busy this morning with gatgher |
| 19:40.36 | TseTse | gather |
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| 19:57.35 | Bleeter | heya folks |
| 19:57.52 | Bleeter | you formerly knew me as Normal, this is my freenode name. |
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| 19:58.16 | Bleeter | sorry for not being around recently, but I'm here now ready to give all assistance |
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| 19:59.48 | AnonUser4436 | Well, two things. First I would like to volunteer to do testing for any addons that you need, now or in the future. I do have experience beta testing software for companies from Sierra to Intuit. Secondly, the auctioneer database fise is kept in the saved variables folder correct? |
| 20:00.21 | MentalPower|Food | for the first, look at the channel topic, as for the second, yes its in the SV folder |
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| 20:01.34 | AnonUser4436 | I apologize, I thought it said to volunteer in this channel. So if we run the gambit and run the developer's version of the auctioneer complete addon then we simply replace whats in the interface folder, and the database should transfer over? |
| 20:02.11 | Bleeter | MentalPower|Food: is there a prioritised list of stuff that needs doing? or should we just take each bustage as we stumble over them? |
| 20:02.41 | MentalPower|Food | x19: yep |
| 20:02.53 | x19 | thank you kindly |
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| 20:03.03 | Bleeter | x19: yes. it's advisable to backup the SV first, tho (for obvious reasons ;-) |
| 20:03.23 | x19 | backup of course |
| 20:03.28 | MentalPower|Food | Bleeter: theres currently no list, but enchantrix and beancounter need testing |
| 20:03.37 | MentalPower|Food | I haven't had the chance to look at them at all |
| 20:04.08 | Bleeter | MentalPower|Food: I tried getting on the PTR to test stuff, I was either stuck in a 2000+ queue, or lagged so badly I would get disconnected ... it'll be good to test on live ;) |
| 20:04.24 | MentalPower|Food | indeed :) |
| 20:04.28 | Bleeter | no probs, I'll get my toon on to enchantrix soon as I can |
| 20:04.41 | Bleeter | i'll go make us all coffee while waiting for the realms to come up ;) |
| 20:04.55 | x19 | thanks for your help guys |
| 20:05.01 | MentalPower|Food | theres a known bug where you can't DE items if you have auctioneer loaded |
| 20:05.02 | Imrcly | be about another hour |
| 20:05.10 | MentalPower|Food | I'm still working on a solution |
| 20:06.11 | Sheppy | I got my client all patched up and I'm waiting. I'm sure that my server won't be stable for a day or two, so I have no idea how much testing I'll be able to do. |
| 20:06.53 | Sheppy | For some reason, Eldre Thalas usually has an inordinate amount of stability issues. Even without the patch involved. |
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| 20:13.13 | Bleeter | MentalPower|Food: does btm need checking as well? |
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| 20:16.11 | Bleeter | breaking news has a further 4 hour delay to maint |
| 20:18.33 | Imrcly | oh great |
| 20:19.18 | Imrcly | any ideas if you use a container item and it is like a clam or something will it open? |
| 20:23.31 | Imrcly | i want a mod that opens all those trunks and clams you get while fishing |
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| 20:38.16 | Miravlix | Sorry that goes against Blizzards policy of making playing wow as annoying and tedious as possible |
| 20:38.35 | Miravlix | Expect a nerf soon and it will take 5 seconds to open the shell |
| 20:44.04 | Imrcly | no joke |
| 20:44.16 | Imrcly | thats why the 4 hour delay |
| 20:46.13 | microjackson | can anyone suggest a tutorial or web site for beginning mod programming? |
| 20:46.39 | Bleeter | the UI forum on the US website, as well as wowwiki.com (when it's not under excessive load like now) |
| 20:47.08 | Cera | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 20:47.18 | Cera | bookmark it fo when it's not hammered |
| 20:47.25 | Bleeter | basically, patch day is a bad day to go looking for said info, most of the useful websites are under extreme heavy load and are collapsing ;) |
| 20:47.32 | Bleeter | lol cera, wise words :) |
| 20:48.36 | microjackson | hehehe |
| 20:48.40 | microjackson | good point |
| 20:49.05 | Bleeter | i'd grab the UI forum url, but I don't have it bookmarked and it's sooo slow to load the forum index ;) |
| 20:51.19 | Malivil | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 |
| 20:51.26 | Malivil | UI Forum Index |
| 20:51.39 | Malivil | Now you don't beed ti kiij |
| 20:51.41 | microjackson | thanks :) |
| 20:51.47 | Malivil | *yto look |
| 20:51.49 | Malivil | *to |
| 20:51.52 | Malivil | arg, i can't spell |
| 20:51.59 | Imrcly | both of which are dead right now |
| 20:52.33 | Malivil | o.O? |
| 20:52.58 | Imrcly | or my internet is dieing 0.o |
| 20:55.53 | Malivil | ui forums are working fine for me |
| 20:56.51 | microjackson | not for me |
| 20:57.16 | Imrcly | its just taking forever to load |
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| 20:59.45 | AnonUser1566 | hiho :] |
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| 21:00.55 | Miravlix | G'day |
| 21:01.54 | Bleeter | Miravlix: r u an aussie?! :P |
| 21:02.14 | Bleeter | (aka 'i can't be bothered doing a lookpu on your IP, and yes I ain't gone to powernap yet) |
| 21:04.04 | Miravlix | No |
| 21:04.24 | Bleeter | ah well, g'day to you anyways :P |
| 21:04.49 | Miravlix | Wont help you looking up my IP. I'm using my hosted server to irc from. :p |
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| 21:07.20 | Imrcly | cheater |
| 21:07.36 | Malivil | o.O? |
| 21:08.40 | Imrcly | take all the fun out of irc |
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| 21:23.28 | Imrcly | wow that was easy |
| 21:23.46 | tcgiant | do what on who |
| 21:23.55 | Imrcly | exactly |
| 21:24.03 | tcgiant | I figured as much |
| 21:24.08 | Malivil | ... |
| 21:24.12 | Malivil | what are you talking about? |
| 21:24.47 | Imrcly | remembering my freenode password |
| 21:24.52 | Malivil | ahh |
| 21:30.04 | Bleeter | powernap time, bbiab |
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| 22:00.52 | jaxdahl | is the auctioneer for 2.0 on curse-gaming broken? |
| 22:02.04 | Cera | yes |
| 22:02.15 | MentalPower|Food | there is no such thing as an auctioneer for 2.0 on curse |
| 22:02.30 | TseTse | mine goes to 11 |
| 22:03.25 | tcgiant | curse gaming kinda sucks now that the entire addon section is one huge list. |
| 22:03.41 | Cera | and the topic of ic gives you a big clue as to when auctioneer will be ready |
| 22:03.48 | jaxdahl | i can't remember where i got this file from then |
| 22:04.09 | Cera | *irc |
| 22:04.09 | jaxdahl | auctioneer-3.9.0.1109 (WoW-2.0).zip |
| 22:04.29 | Malivil | google it |
| 22:04.36 | TseTse | but but but... mine goes to 11 |
| 22:04.47 | Malivil | wowinterface |
| 22:05.12 | jaxdahl | ok, does this version work at all? |
| 22:05.59 | MentalPower | yes, but I'd still like to know where you got it from |
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| 22:06.25 | MentalPower | be advised that it is a *developer* version |
| 22:06.28 | MentalPower | bugs abound |
| 22:06.33 | Malivil | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5752-Auctioneer3.9WoW2.0Version.html |
| 22:06.35 | Malivil | That's where |
| 22:06.36 | Cera | auctioneer still has some major bugs to be worked out, it's semi functional but will give you headaches if you're not keen on coding |
| 22:06.49 | Malivil | Might wanna dump that |
| 22:06.55 | jaxdahl | done |
| 22:06.56 | Azhrarn | omg, it's purl |
| 22:07.38 | jaxdahl | i got it from here: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/download.php?id=5752 |
| 22:07.45 | Malivil | same link |
| 22:08.59 | MentalPower | ok yeah, thats sanctioned |
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| 22:09.54 | jaxdahl | sanctioned but still buggy? |
| 22:10.49 | Malivil | It's a developer's version |
| 22:11.26 | Malivil | IE, it's expected to have bugs and the people using it to be able to fix them |
| 22:11.37 | Malivil | Whoa... |
| 22:11.41 | Malivil | I just noticed soemthing |
| 22:11.47 | Malivil | When i type, my mouse cursor blinks |
| 22:11.48 | Malivil | o.O |
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| 22:19.35 | MentalPower | geez, whats with these "Are you switching to Ace2" posts? |
| 22:20.31 | Imrcly | because alot of people are |
| 22:21.40 | MentalPower | not me, sorry |
| 22:22.34 | Imrcly | i can see how it is cool that it makes coding faster but its not for me |
| 22:22.39 | MentalPower | first of all its not OpenSource since it doesn't have a license (wich means that full copyright applies), second of all its not the be all end all that people think it is |
| 22:23.43 | MentalPower | and thirdly, converting auctioneer to ace would be a *TON* of work for little to no gain whatsoever |
| 22:23.50 | Imrcly | yeah |
| 22:24.08 | Imrcly | i think my mod is no longer permitted |
| 22:24.08 | Cera | imo it can't possibly make coding faster in this environment |
| 22:24.24 | Imrcly | it adds some more api is all |
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| 22:24.40 | Cera | coding is already "fast" and all it does is add more junk to learn |
| 22:24.47 | Ezee | Hello guys |
| 22:25.01 | MentalPower | and more overhead with all the embedded libs |
| 22:25.28 | Ezee | Thanks to the people who have made Auctioneer.. just made 800g in one week with it.. with a start up of 47g.. |
| 22:25.41 | MentalPower | nice! |
| 22:25.51 | MentalPower | from all of us coders, forum helpers and others, thanks :) |
| 22:26.25 | Ezee | also... I was wondering if by anyway I can still use it with 2.0.1 until the final version comes out for it |
| 22:27.03 | Ezee | hey.. thank you so much guys... you really helped me not to waster my time farming boring stuff for 5 month's |
| 22:27.15 | MentalPower | not your current version |
| 22:27.28 | MentalPower | but you're welcome to try the developer versions |
| 22:27.40 | Ezee | Is it possible to download it anywhere? |
| 22:27.48 | MentalPower | note that these are inherently not extensively tested |
| 22:27.59 | MentalPower | and they have a few known (and unknown) bugs |
| 22:28.35 | Ezee | ok... will they cause my computer to explose or my WoW being completly fu'''ed up? |
| 22:28.45 | Imrcly | no |
| 22:28.49 | Ezee | if not.. I would like to have it |
| 22:28.52 | Ezee | :) |
| 22:29.04 | Imrcly | no mod should ever do that |
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| 22:29.32 | Ezee | I think this add-on is the best shit ever created for WoW... it's just awesome.. never though my stats course could have been so usefull |
| 22:30.06 | Ezee | Is there any way for me to download the developper version? |
| 22:30.20 | MentalPower | the address in the topic |
| 22:30.25 | Ezee | oohh I see |
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| 22:32.19 | Ezee | What should I download? |
| 22:32.23 | Ezee | Auctioneer only? |
| 22:32.34 | jaxdahl | read the comments on this page |
| 22:32.40 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5752-Auctioneer3.9WoW2.0Version.html |
| 22:32.49 | Cera | if that's all you use then sure |
| 22:32.51 | jaxdahl | ezee, and make a judgement for yourself |
| 22:33.00 | jaxdahl | there'll be a lack of support most likely |
| 22:33.08 | Ezee | ok thank you |
| 22:33.44 | Ezee | seriously this add-on is just..... so... f***** nice.. |
| 22:33.51 | MentalPower | :) |
| 22:33.51 | Ezee | All my friends are jealous |
| 22:33.57 | rpz | What's Ace? |
| 22:34.08 | Ezee | they can't believe I make so much money in a day lol |
| 22:34.08 | FewynMorisato | Ace is a library |
| 22:34.22 | rpz | Ok |
| 22:38.53 | Ezee | should I delete my previous auctioneer folder in my add-on directory before extracting it? |
| 22:39.18 | MentalPower | I would suggest so, yes |
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| 22:39.45 | Cera | Ace is a library with a lot of pretentiousness around it |
| 22:41.02 | FewynMorisato | Ace-2.0 is really nice |
| 22:41.20 | FewynMorisato | at least in my opinion, anything coded with ace works really well for me |
| 22:42.05 | Imrcly | it works but what if i only have 1 mod that uses that one piece of code is it realy worth wasting ram? |
| 22:42.23 | FewynMorisato | it leaves a very small memory footprint |
| 22:42.38 | FewynMorisato | I really noticed that when I switched from titan to fubar |
| 22:43.05 | Imrcly | everything leaves a small memory footprint until you get 2 of them |
| 22:43.17 | FewynMorisato | then don't use it if you don't want to |
| 22:43.46 | Imrcly | i don't |
| 22:43.51 | Ezee | .. hey guys.. thanks for the help... I WILL FOR SURE... recommand Auctioneer to all of my friends playing WoW....if...they are not playing on my server :P I hate competition hehe |
| 22:43.52 | Cera | Ace is merely a library, just because some good addons use the library doesn't mean the library itself deserves merit |
| 22:44.02 | MentalPower | I use FuBar, its well coded, Titan is not well coded. Thats the reason for the memory footprint difference, *NOT* the use of Ace2 |
| 22:44.15 | FewynMorisato | Then I'm corrected |
| 22:51.00 | TseTse | i used fubar cuz titan wasnt available... and i wont go back |
| 22:52.55 | Imrcly | i have used titan forever |
| 22:53.45 | Cera | and titan has remained the same since about the time the original author quit |
| 22:55.54 | Cera | the current maintainer thinks it's coded fine and has no plans of changing it |
| 22:56.19 | Imrcly | i kinda agree |
| 22:56.29 | Imrcly | it does what its coded to do |
| 22:57.24 | Cera | have you looked at the code? |
| 22:57.32 | Imrcly | nope i don't interface my mod into it |
| 22:58.17 | Imrcly | i haven't looked at auctioneers code either doesn't mean its good or bad |
| 22:58.58 | Cera | it's havocked by 2 year old code written for what was essentially a completely different UI than we have today |
| 23:00.00 | Imrcly | i believe it but then so is wow |
| 23:04.27 | MentalPower | but WoW has been adapted to use its own innovations, titan on the other hand has stayed stagnant |
| 23:04.41 | rpz | There's a better option than Titan? |
| 23:04.47 | rpz | :D |
| 23:04.57 | Cera | I updated HonorPlus for 1.12 and found that it was hooking the scoreboard to do all it's calculations instead of getting it from the honor update event |
| 23:08.24 | Cera | adserter added one of my early updates to the package and then ignored the rest so a slightly buggy and less feature filled version has remained all this time |
| 23:10.50 | Imrcly | it was what i had and it worked will try fubar once hte realms open |
| 23:12.12 | Cera | the bug was with world pvp bonus honor |
| 23:13.13 | Imrcly | yay food |
| 23:13.21 | Cera | and another which I'm not sure if was included was if you logged out/crashed/reloadui in a battleground then your bonus would get counted twice |
| 23:13.27 | TseTse | rpz, fu has nice stuff. it's very simple. very effective |
| 23:13.34 | TseTse | titan has more addons tho |
| 23:16.37 | MentalPower | not for long |
| 23:18.04 | Cera | titan should have been abandoned or recoded for 2.0, bandaging it isn't good enough |
| 23:27.38 | rpz | will probably just use whatever is fully compatible soonest |
| 23:28.05 | rpz | btw, auctioneer is very impressive :D |
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| 23:28.21 | rpz | can someone suggest roughly how often i should scan? |
| 23:31.07 | Cera | up to you, how often you want to spend the time and how relevant you want your data |
| 23:32.19 | Cera | I usually do it before and after I raid and just go afk while it scans |
| 23:32.36 | rpz | Yeah fair play |
| 23:32.54 | rpz | I've only done it twice, but it's been installed less than 24 hours so.. |
| 23:33.27 | Cera | if you're not trying to find deals then you can scan far less frequently |
| 23:34.09 | rpz | I quite like the idea of making money from getting bargains though |
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| 23:35.43 | rpz | Is it a valid source of income? Or would it be more like a suppliment? |
| 23:36.30 | Cera | depends how stupid people on your server are :D |
| 23:37.11 | rpz | Well if any of them are like me, I should be making a fortune in no time :) |
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| 23:38.35 | Cera | if the market is stable then you rarely find major deals, if it's fluctuating like on a new server or after a major change like BC then there's more opportunities |
| 23:38.50 | Kashi | hi, uhm ... |
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| 23:39.35 | Cera | I keep finding items worth hundreds of gold in BC up for just a few |
| 23:39.36 | Kashi | i installed auctioneer a few minutes ago ... but when i search an item, it shows me a huge error in the chat window |
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| 23:40.17 | Cera | auctioneer is not ready for 2.0 |
| 23:40.27 | Kashi | no im playin normal WoW |
| 23:40.37 | Kashi | 1.12 |
| 23:40.39 | Kashi | i think |
| 23:40.41 | Cera | normal wow is 2.0 |
| 23:40.47 | Cera | patch was today |
| 23:40.48 | Kashi | its not patched yet |
| 23:40.53 | Kashi | im from germany |
| 23:41.00 | Kashi | patching starts in 20minutes :P |
| 23:41.05 | Cera | ah, well then don't worry, it'll break tomorrow |
| 23:41.17 | rpz | Shit |
| 23:41.21 | rpz | I'm going to login quickly |
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| 23:41.26 | Cera | so no point trying to fix it for 20 mins |
| 23:41.26 | rpz | and sit there til it dies |
| 23:41.36 | rpz | be back soon |
| 23:41.37 | Kashi | ^^ right ... |
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| 23:52.51 | Imrcly | such a lively crowd |
| 23:52.59 | Uz | heh, I was just typing up a question |
| 23:53.16 | Uz | Just curious, is 3.9 the test build that will eventually become 4.0 |
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| 23:55.55 | dEofol | sup |
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| 23:57.16 | Bleeter | the brew, not the mug |
| 23:58.31 | Imrcly | mm brew |