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| 08:43.17 | Kero | Gemini Oreo coming up, with still an ancient kernel. Debian/Kali use libhybris. Not sure about sailfish, but assuming so. |
| 08:43.34 | Kero | You can ditch the android partitio, ttbomk |
| 08:45.24 | Kero | for the size of the company and the presumably-lack-of-mediatek-cooperation they're actually fulfilling more promises than I expected them to. Albeit in on a schedule that is *always* slower than they promise. |
| 08:46.39 | Joerg-Neo900 | Kero: many thanks! valuable info |
| 08:47.05 | Kero | Got the Gemini for a year now, or so. Use it a lot. Sturdy enough, esp regarding the mechanical parts to set the screen in its angle on a table |
| 08:48.17 | Kero | I expect the Cosmo to be a decent revision/improvement over the Gemini, but I would not expect much in terms of opening up mediatek blobs. |
| 08:48.41 | Joerg-Neo900 | definitely not |
| 08:49.40 | Joerg-Neo900 | I'm pretty sure they don't even _have_ much to disclose/open |
| 08:50.25 | Joerg-Neo900 | even OEMs don't get much info about the content of those modem firmware partitions |
| 08:50.41 | Kero | heh. The modified kernel from mediatek (mtk) is available. mtk didn't even bother to provide git history - indeed, if they have any. |
| 08:50.53 | Kero | and the code is not mainline-mergable at all. |
| 08:51.29 | Kero | (but the source is available, minus the blobs, which is already better than I feared at certain moments in time) |
| 08:51.54 | Joerg-Neo900 | wait, they run a modified linux kernel for "userland" system? |
| 08:52.42 | Kero | yeah. One android kernel, with libhybris to access pretty much all the hardware from linux userland |
| 08:52.57 | Joerg-Neo900 | ouch |
| 08:54.21 | Joerg-Neo900 | had hoped they run a hypervisor and two concurrent OS: plain linux and a whatever RTOS-younameit for the radio stack |
| 08:57.25 | Kero | nope. there are people building mainline drivers for the mtk platform. Even the Mali GPU is making large strides. I believe @TheKit has mainline booting on the Gemini, but not a usable system, yet. |
| 08:57.38 | Kero | But that's all outside the Gemini community, raelly. |
| 08:57.49 | Kero | Neither Planets nor mtk is assisting there. |
| 08:59.01 | Kero | and of course, cosmo will have a different chip |
| 08:59.24 | Joerg-Neo900 | they got enouch cores they could afford assigning one to hypervisor and modem stack exclusively and thus run two completely unentangled systems where the plain linux could use whichever kernel we want |
| 09:01.00 | Joerg-Neo900 | modified kernel means I can't update kernels, omg |
| 09:01.24 | Kero | Sure; I don't think Planets does any of the software themselves. Outsourced what they needed. |
| 09:02.00 | Kero | Building your own kernel from source, installing it; works fine. |
| 09:02.20 | Joerg-Neo900 | what about the proprietary stuff? |
| 09:02.36 | Kero | Keyboard has ghosting, unfortunately - there is a patch to improve that, which I have running. |
| 09:02.51 | Kero | Not the proprietary stuff, no |
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| 09:03.31 | Joerg-Neo900 | I don't get it. When I build a plain vanilla kenel then what does work and what doesn't? |
| 09:04.23 | Joerg-Neo900 | you said MTK did modify the kernel to make modem work I guess |
| 09:05.08 | Kero | Oh, sorry. Built a kernel myself, ancient android version (3.late), sources provided by Planets, with two or three tiny patches. |
| 09:06.14 | Kero | I do not know what works with mainline linux. Best ask @TheKit in #gemini-pda here on freenode |
| 09:08.38 | Joerg-Neo900 | great :-) many thanks! |
| 09:09.20 | Joerg-Neo900 | ponders asking them for cooperatiomn or a job |
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| 09:13.22 | Joerg-Neo900 | meanwhile, running backup of backup, 294G. 244 to go |
| 09:14.05 | Joerg-Neo900 | happy about my 400M downlink |
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| 09:17.53 | dazinism | > I personally don't miss that nonsensical hw-switch |
| 09:17.54 | dazinism | I forget what your thoughts are? |
| 09:19.17 | dazinism | Joerg-Neo900 |
| 09:19.42 | dazinism | I notice the pinephone is also getting switches |
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| 09:33.55 | gr8 | morning guys |
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