00:01.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how those 130EUR donations happen, prolly they try to make it 100EUR after VAT |
00:12.32 | chainsawbike | 130 eur ~ 200nzd - a convenient sum |
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10:32.00 | ilon | DocScrutinizer05: you where right about the price and out of stock |
10:32.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
10:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | they always do that |
10:32.45 | ilon | DocScrutinizer05: atleast have a conversation with them now over email, and they will get back to me as soon as the supplier can provide them with information of when they can expect a delivery, and how many devices |
10:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | only when they hope to get new items |
10:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
10:33.29 | ilon | yeah, that way they keep the history on items sold |
10:34.44 | ilon | atleast they havent told me they can NOT deliver those kind of amounts of devices yet |
10:34.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's good |
10:35.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, they can make some $$$ on us |
10:35.16 | ilon | sure can |
10:35.21 | ilon | for them its kind of an big order |
10:35.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they will move their ass |
10:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
10:35.57 | ilon | i stated that i'm interested in 200 devices from one supplier alone now |
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10:36.14 | ilon | might make them put some effort in getting it :P |
10:36.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
10:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's watch the prices explode ;-P |
10:37.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly in 1 week all N900 in asia are at 1000$ ;-P |
10:37.28 | ilon | hehehe |
10:37.53 | ilon | actually, thats what i thought happend at first when they raised the price as they got out of stock |
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10:39.08 | ilon | anyways, they said the next delivery will probably be delayed until next year due to holidays |
10:39.36 | ilon | also, they claim to have contact with nokia after sale support to verify integrity of devices on regular basis |
10:39.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | pnders to create a list of spare üarts and suppliers for getting the needed parts from after market |
10:40.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
10:40.26 | ilon | Wonder if i should start contacting other sellers aswell, problem is that this seller feels legit |
10:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders to create a list of spare parts and suppliers for getting the needed parts from after market |
10:40.31 | ilon | and most are not :P |
10:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
10:41.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather check polish / czech markets |
10:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard 6 months ago the devices were still sold in regular shops there |
10:41.54 | ilon | hmm |
10:42.08 | ilon | any information on price levels? |
10:42.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty dirt cheap |
10:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | about same level as HK refurbs |
10:42.35 | JoHnY | hmm, I haven't seen N900 around in CZ for ages |
10:43.33 | JoHnY | but on the other hand, I'm not looking for it either |
10:44.01 | JoHnY | http://www.mobilyporuba.cz/products/nokia-n900/ looks like they have it in stock here... at least they claim so |
10:44.21 | JoHnY | it's about 220-230 eur |
10:45.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, ok. a *tad* pricey |
10:46.16 | JoHnY | other than that, I'm not able to find any other store selling it, at least online |
10:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | then, otoh: main cam:50€, LCD:39€, digitizer:20€, mech-slide:30€, frames:25€, FPC:10€, case:18€, antennae:35€... |
10:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | stylus:5€, battery:10€ |
10:50.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | mounting the kit: 40€ |
10:50.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | (incl tests, loss, reworks, warranty) |
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10:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | chances to pull at least _one_ lemon in that set: next to 100% |
10:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a few silly parts like back cover of display are again unobtainium |
10:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, a silly metal sheet cut to shape |
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12:50.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: and at least 200 customers who want to buy a device. -> and at least 200 customers who want to buy a device and made sure they get one from first production batch. |
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12:56.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: and at least 200 customers who want to buy a device. -> and at least 200 customers who want to buy a device and made sure they get one from first production batch. |
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19:20.31 | fw190 | hello |
19:20.54 | fw190 | I have only today discovered that neo900 has it's own IRC |
19:20.58 | fw190 | dang |
19:21.09 | fw190 | and I was always looing at maemo and maemo-ssu |
19:31.23 | ilon | fw190: congrats and welcome! |
19:32.55 | dos1 | fw190: hi! (not that we aren't available at maemo and maemo-ssu as well :D) |
19:35.03 | ilon | dos1: btw, is the presentation from ohsw in english or german? |
19:35.26 | dos1 | ilon: neo900 one is in english |
19:35.48 | ilon | cool, then i will look at it when i can |
19:37.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: moin! |
19:38.20 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: hello! |
19:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | how about newsletter? already sth I can review and comment? ;-) |
19:39.30 | dos1 | nope, but working on it |
19:40.26 | dos1 | "real life" consumed a bit more time than I expected :x |
19:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | to make sure we don't look feeble and lazy - the topics are: |
19:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | dualtouch |
19:40.59 | ilon | Real life's a kille |
19:41.42 | dos1 | new pcb photos |
19:41.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Molex connector: we are about to ask Molex, and we found somebody already who would build the connectors for us, though probably for like 15EUR per connector :-o |
19:42.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | new PCBs (#2 #3) finished, incl audio, tests pending of audio, GPS, keyboard and kbd-backlight |
19:43.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | we started initiatives to get N900 parts, looking for complete N900 in good quality as well as for spare parts. Community contributions welcome |
19:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had funny conversations with FSF and RMS |
19:45.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and interested affiliates or associates of FSF |
19:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | our modem design is commonly considered the superior solution over what FSF requests |
19:46.29 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: so there was something more than those first mails? :o |
19:47.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | since we tightly monitor the modem (RF, status signals, power consumption, GPS ant power) and control it (hard reset, GPS ant forced shutdown) and thus we detect and counteract issues that might go unnoticed with the FSF approach |
19:48.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: nah, not really. There been a few more inbound mails we answered, form other interested users |
19:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and lots of discussions in several IRC channels |
19:48.30 | dos1 | k |
19:48.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | RMS hasn't answered |
19:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably pissed by my reply |
19:49.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-P |
19:49.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | how dare I call his approach an inapt means to warrant user's privacy and security? :-o |
19:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | SORRY, THATS THE TRUTH! :-D |
19:50.59 | dos1 | we'll see. I guess people will keep asking him about it, like previously |
19:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and also truth is that I'm more concerned about my own and the user's privacy than about any bizarre rules about what a hardware has to comply with to get the FSF approval |
19:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | particuarly when those rules are straight impossible to comply with - there never been and never will be a modem with firmware in fused or mask programmed ROM |
19:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and any other method to store the firmware is not immutable |
19:53.11 | dos1 | sure, and that's good |
19:53.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | that aside it's a nonsensical rule since we can't comply with it |
19:54.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, I'd not want to comply even if I could |
19:55.32 | dos1 | I'm interested in their praise strictly for "PR", but only if they would accept it as you propose (or come up with something better) |
19:55.53 | dos1 | their current recommendations are no-go |
19:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | topic++: we still try hard to gather 1000 users who are so interested in the device that they want to MAKE SURe they get one FROM FIRST BATCH |
19:56.24 | dos1 | it's still worth talking about and rising people's knowledge ;) |
19:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you should elaborate on the whole FSF topic in newsletter |
19:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | to the last gory detail |
19:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it#s almost worth an own FAQ |
19:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean an own FAQ, not an own point in the existing FAQ |
19:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
19:58.10 | dos1 | I think such separate article wouldn't be a bad idea |
19:58.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | we really got a number of questions regarding that |
19:59.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I never seen my approach of tight monitoring and control mentioned anywhere elese before |
19:59.19 | dos1 | but I won't commit to preparing it to be published today |
20:00.34 | dos1 | so maybe not in this newsletter, but that's for sure something that could be published on its own soon |
20:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe just mention it in newsletter and announce a longer article for next few days |
20:01.37 | dos1 | k |
20:02.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | just say "we got many questions from users concerned about their privacy as well as from FSF-related people and even RMS himself, and we think our approach is better than what FSF requests" |
20:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | "we'll elaborate on it in detail in a comprehensive article to get published one of the next days" |
20:04.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the end FSF is _not: concerned about users' privacy but only about free sourcecode |
20:05.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | while we are concerned about users' privacy and freedom of the hardware so users get maximum choice to do with it whatever they want - in the limits that RL sets |
20:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | also special credit goes to [2013-12-08 02:22:28] <wentknweqt_> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1260910 <- could this be used? |
20:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | since until then I planned to build all that with discrete components, based on my own 6 years old design |
20:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and tended to rather _not_ do it at all, in the end |
20:12.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the crtouch chip changed everything |
20:13.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you will want to link to my lengthy tmo post about r-ts MT |
20:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | principles |
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20:28.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1393889&postcount=1473 |
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