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| 03:48.55 | lexik | "" |
| 03:49.01 | lexik | :P |
| 03:49.09 | lexik | i mean: |
| 03:49.19 | lexik | "" |
| 03:49.28 | lexik | >:P |
| 03:49.35 | lexik | okey. nothing. |
| 03:50.00 | lexik | "" |
| 03:50.07 | lexik | aaaaargh |
| 03:50.54 | lexik | "It looks quite bulky ... why would anybody want to have such a brick?" |
| 03:52.16 | lexik | finally. i'm crying from posts like this one. maybe the main page should be: this is for geeks only! Geek with us or gtfo. |
| 03:52.45 | comradekingu | No, it should feature those sayings, would be halaris |
| 03:52.58 | comradekingu | randomyoutubecommenter: "It looks quite bulky ... why would anybody want to have such a brick?" |
| 03:53.02 | comradekingu | Print it on the box |
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| 04:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 04:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Is this yours? It looks like one of those boring iPhones! are you sure you don't want something actually *useful*?" |
| 04:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | or "http://www.globalxvehicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Unimog-Camper7.jpg EEEW how BULKY! Look at THIS sleek design: http://www.toonpool.com/user/214/files/biker-fruehlingsgefuehle_405085.jpg" |
| 04:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure dude! it's not as shiny as yours and I actually need a mirror to shave my face. But does yours run bash scripts? |
| 04:14.29 | lexik | "Can you setup honeypot via SSH while drinkin' you StarBucks cofee with your iPhone?" |
| 04:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just been typing "tripwire" |
| 04:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66RBfrBgL2E |
| 04:18.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | do THAT on your cryPhone! |
| 04:20.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Dos1 should add that youtube link to the A: on "Q: Why that resistive touchscreen?" |
| 04:21.29 | lexik | That's a *good* idea ;) |
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| 04:41.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw we're busy setting up the requested nations-competition. I'm just afraid we won't finalize it in time for the timespan of this donation ;-D |
| 04:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on random factors in donating, I guess we got max another 3 days until level-III reached |
| 04:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's probably a lot less fun once the goal of the fundraiser got accomplished |
| 04:44.36 | KenYoung | You could always change the max to 50,000. |
| 04:44.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 04:45.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | bonus level |
| 04:45.11 | KenYoung | Doc - thanks for that utube link; I'd never even heard of MyPaint. |
| 04:45.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome, isn't it? |
| 04:45.45 | KenYoung | Yes; I wish I had some artistic talent. |
| 04:45.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | same here |
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| 04:46.31 | lexik | Make it infinitive.With some puppies around :P |
| 04:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | seeing this awesome tool you really regret not being able to use it to its full extent |
| 04:47.30 | KenYoung | And it certainly does put Job's statement "If you have a stylus, you've failed." in perspective. |
| 04:48.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like "if you got a spoon, you're a loser" |
| 04:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or "only idiots read books" |
| 04:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure I can eat my chili con carne with my fingers |
| 04:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | or only listen to audiobooks |
| 04:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | for Steve Jobs' definition of a pocket'able electronic device, his statement for sure been true |
| 04:51.37 | KenYoung | How many gta04s were finally produced? |
| 04:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure, but I think some 300+ |
| 04:53.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | but might as well be 100 or 2000 - I simply never asked and Nikolaus afaik never told hard numbers |
| 04:54.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | all I know: I got one and I know quite a number of other users who as well got one |
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| 04:56.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I hope for Neo900 becoming a marathon champ sales wise |
| 04:57.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly maemo fremantle once got ported |
| 04:57.42 | KenYoung | So more than 200 will be produced if the demand is there. |
| 04:58.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 04:59.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | when we got 20000 "preorders" when MP starts, we will produces 20100 |
| 04:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when we have another preorder of 200 after 4 weeks, we will wait another 4 weeks to produce another 500 |
| 05:01.39 | lexik | when we are talking about marathon... what after Neo900? (i know, it's >really< early but..) .. one day we must broke binary compatibility with N900 :) Unless we want to stay on Cortex A-8 CPU... :P |
| 05:03.07 | KenYoung | It's gonna be tough putting a Beagle Boark into Google Glass frames. |
| 05:05.19 | lexik | I'm waiting for EEG-based mind controled keyboard for Google Glasses :P |
| 05:05.51 | lexik | There's no app for it on GPlay... maybe develop one for maemo? |
| 08:55.15 | sunweaver | DocScrutinizer05: how can I order a Neo900? I have donated 100EUR yesterday. Will this be reimbursed once I purhase an Neo900? |
| 08:57.56 | chainsawbike | sunweaver, it will be taken off your purchase price when it becomes available for purchase - keep the "id number" of the transaction |
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| 09:26.56 | sunweaver | ok, I will |
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| 12:19.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow 1500 |
| 12:19.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 12:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | 17660, I wonder how much of all that is here to stay, once we start to actually book the transactions on monday |
| 12:21.40 | kolp | o.O |
| 12:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just lucky that so many users seem to appreciate the whole contraption regarding perks and fundraising and the whole business model that we came up with |
| 12:22.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/lucky/happy/ |
| 12:23.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | took quite a few days of debates back and forth between me and the other two guys, as well as volunteers reviewing the model and sharing their thoughts |
| 12:25.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I think we were 110% right to NOT use indiegogo, kickstarter or any other similar approach |
| 12:26.30 | josch_ | DocScrutinizer05: thanks for all your efforts - lets hope that all obstacles during production can be dealt with |
| 12:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure that production has the least obstacles for us |
| 12:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | sourcing of silly little components is the major PITA |
| 12:27.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g SMIA95 cam socket |
| 12:28.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1: *identify* the crap, it's not like it's written in N900 schematics that it's a SMIA95 |
| 12:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2: find datasheets etc |
| 12:28.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3: FIND the COMPONENT |
| 12:29.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | there seem to be 210 available worldwide |
| 12:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe zilch |
| 12:30.59 | josch_ | personally I wouldnt care much if the device was more gta04 compatible (less extras) and thus only few problems. But I can see how making it on par with the n900 feature set is an important goal |
| 12:31.40 | josch_ | just having a gta04 in a n900 case/display/battery would be enough incentive for me |
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| 12:53.52 | sono | no.. |
| 13:02.45 | josch_ | sono: errr... *yes* it would be enough of an incentive for me. You can't say "no" to somebody who states his opinion. If it's not your opinion that's fine. |
| 13:03.11 | dos1 | no |
| 13:03.13 | dos1 | ;) |
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| 13:04.08 | josch_ | yeah, i'm probably the only one who would be happy to settle for the lower end if that means it would be working and bug free... |
| 13:05.35 | KaIRC | DocScrutinizer05, dos1: where do you get the cases for full devices? would you be interested in someone who has a few dozen N900s and wants to throw them out? |
| 13:06.18 | kolp | A few dozen?! o.O |
| 13:07.19 | KaIRC | as far as I know, yes - if there's interest, I'll ask if those are still around and if it would be possible to tget them to you |
| 13:07.25 | dos1 | KaIRC: I think yes, it might be somewhat useful :) |
| 13:07.57 | dos1 | but I'll let DocScrutinizer05 say the final thing |
| 13:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | KaIRC: definitely |
| 13:08.32 | KaIRC | dos1, DocScrutinizer05: ok, I'll try to find out if they're still around and if they can let you have them |
| 13:08.46 | dos1 | thanks! |
| 13:09.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | much appreciated |
| 13:09.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since we're still evaluating sources for the mech parts |
| 13:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | all of them |
| 13:10.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | we know for serveral there are abundance of offers on ebay |
| 13:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. case shell |
| 13:11.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but summing that up gives us a bag of spare parts equalling ~50% of a complete N900, for probably 200EUR |
| 13:11.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB we haven't asked for bulk purchase rebates yet |
| 13:12.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it's like building a car from spare parts, it will be like 10 times the price of what a new car cost |
| 13:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you pay an 11th time for getting rid of all the packaging ;-P |
| 13:13.32 | KaIRC | one thing I'll let you know is that those devices are in the US, so export stuff might be an issue |
| 13:13.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, which export stuff? |
| 13:14.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe import stuff, yeah |
| 13:14.08 | KaIRC | or import, yes |
| 13:14.28 | KaIRC | I bascially meant "formalities of getting them to a different country" |
| 13:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | declare them as electronic junk |
| 13:14.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 13:14.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | place an iron and a mixer in the package too |
| 13:15.57 | obiwlan | josch_: you're definately not the only one. i would opt for a more sustainable software platform and less blobs |
| 13:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're not going to sacrifice reliability or feasibility for leete new features |
| 13:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're not silly |
| 13:17.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 13:17.11 | KaIRC | DocScrutinizer05: hehe, well, I'll probably ask them to figure out the formalities with you in some form if things work out |
| 13:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, thanks. Go ahead, I'm always here |
| 13:19.44 | KaIRC | I sent an email asking about all that, I'll let you guys know what's coming out of that |
| 13:23.22 | KaIRC | the devices were used as an automated software test farm back in the days so their electronics have quite a high number of operation hours logged, but the cases should be pretty pristine |
| 13:29.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | cool!!! |
| 13:30.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | we'd for sure be willing to pay a symbolic price for them |
| 13:31.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | like 10..20bucks/1 |
| 13:31.55 | kolp | DocScrutinizer05: Iff this works out, I'd be interested in a few of the then-homeless boards, and I'd be happy to donate further towards neo900 development for them :) |
| 13:32.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course we don't need accessories and packaging, though it doesn't hurt except at ccustoms |
| 13:33.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | kolp: let's see what can get done, I'm even more interested in rare parts from board to salvage rather than the mere tech parts. Remember SMIA95? |
| 13:33.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | cam module? |
| 13:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | battery contacts |
| 13:34.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, I also feel bad and nasty slaughtering those boards |
| 13:34.37 | kolp | Right :) |
| 13:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure we won't throw away the rest (BB% et al) even after we ripped off the parts we need |
| 13:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | BB5* |
| 13:36.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think main cam module and socket are the most needed parts, everything else is probably sourcable at somewhat sensible expense |
| 13:54.21 | josch_ | dos1: since you guys apparently also need 200 preorders - maybe a counter for that can also be displayed somewhere on neo900.org? Maybe there is a way that goldelico.com can export that information for your javascripts. |
| 13:56.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, we'll see what of that business info we may disclose. But generally the donation phase is not yet the hard time for reaching number of "preorders". It seems to me we already got ~80..100 |
| 13:57.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll look at that value at any later point in time, if it starts to feel debatable if we ever will reach really 200 |
| 13:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now that number is irrelevant |
| 13:58.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that unfortunate situation actually comes true, we have to rethink our whole business model, and then decide how to move on |
| 13:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | we e.g. might find that it's better to produce 80 devices for 1200/unit rather than stop the whole enterprise (just made up values!! no RL relevance, just example) |
| 14:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's just we based our calculations on the poll (and other sources of data) based on a "break-even" aka sweetspot of 200 devices a 700EUR |
| 14:01.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | not reaching 200 means first instance that we impossibly can reach the 700EUR goal |
| 14:02.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope I been able to shed some light on it. It's not simple to explain |
| 14:03.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | josch_: |
| 14:03.56 | josch_ | okay i see |
| 14:12.26 | dos1 | 98 donations, 17 760 eur, ~71% of the goal, ~181 EUR average donation |
| 14:12.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw I'm pretty sure that reaching the fundraiser goal of 25k also means we seen 200+ donations >100 aka "preorders". The values been chosen carefully, with such relationships in mind |
| 14:13.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, we didn't negotiate or time this |
| 14:13.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi dos1 |
| 14:14.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's your weekend? |
| 14:14.13 | dos1 | hello |
| 14:14.44 | dos1 | pretty nice, it's a 4-day one (and the last one is today :() |
| 14:15.32 | dos1 | busy with neo900, but at least after first day now I can sleep pretty well :) |
| 14:16.17 | dos1 | btw. did you finally make that break? :D |
| 14:19.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, fell asleep at 5'o |
| 14:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | today my GF announced she's going to have dinner out with me, so some break is inevitable |
| 14:21.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | the worst thing is: with all the donations-drumming-up and "support helpdesk" I hardly get any real work done |
| 14:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | even if there was some time left over, the distraction is too tempting |
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| 15:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | 100 donors \o/ |
| 15:43.55 | dos1 | 101 - 250 eur has just arrived |
| 15:44.00 | dos1 | 18k :) |
| 15:46.51 | KenYoung | What's the URL of the page that shows the amounts of the most recent donations? |
| 15:48.21 | dos1 | https://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ADonation |
| 15:48.38 | KenYoung | Thanks! |
| 15:59.40 | dos1 | latest donations from Poland, Sweden and USA |
| 16:00.15 | KenYoung | But Germany is putting us all to shame. |
| 16:00.43 | KenYoung | It's gonna be bundesphone. |
| 16:01.49 | dos1 | Angela Merkel should donate and use it to avoid USA spying :) |
| 16:04.50 | KenYoung | Yes, I'm surprised nothing has come in from Italy - you'd think Berlusconi, at least, would want a private phone. |
| 16:10.26 | kolp | How do you know where donations com efrom? |
| 16:11.09 | KenYoung | The Doctor posted a list here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142&page=107 |
| 16:12.27 | kolp | Ah, thanks |
| 16:17.14 | dos1 | latest 100 EUR from Japan |
| 16:17.34 | dos1 | I'll try to make some real time pie chart soon :) |
| 16:18.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a realtime URL I'd like to keep "non-disclosed" to not see spamming on it. it ends in campaign / 9603.php ? cmd = statistics |
| 16:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | please do NOT post the full URL anywhere! |
| 16:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: hurry with the newsletter, if Monday actually turns out to be the stronger day, we'll have no Tuesday anymore to thank users for level-I and II, and announce what will happen when we reach level-III |
| 16:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 16:35.08 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: how many prototypes are "ordered" right now? three? |
| 16:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, 2 or 3 I guess |
| 16:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't be many more than that |
| 16:36.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask Nik |
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| 18:26.03 | b1101 | a phone stallman would approve; without a sim card inside it of course :P |
| 19:34.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | uhuh 19050 |
| 21:25.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>I just want to ask if you / golden del. computers received my donation of 4000EUR for Neo900 project I made on Oct 31.<< |
| 21:26.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-)) |
| 21:29.45 | JoHnY | heh, what was the story with that 4k donation anyway? |
| 21:31.07 | kolp | Bl**dy hell :) |
| 21:34.35 | dos1 | so 23k? :D |
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| 23:08.32 | dos1 | hehe |
| 23:08.55 | dos1 | looks like after big spike of traffic from slashdot and hacker news articles |
| 23:09.39 | dos1 | the local news reports that were spawned by them made USA share to decrease from 60% to just 38% ;) |
| 23:10.21 | KenYoung | If you want to get the US to do its fair share, you'll need to get Oprah interested. |
| 23:20.50 | kolp | So there are already (almost) 200 pre-porders?? |
| 23:27.17 | mashina_ | slashdot is still relevant? |
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