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| 07:48.08 | psycho_oreos | Hmm I wonder, if n9 says the charger is not working properly when one tries to connect the USB into a computer say for instance. Yet it allows SDK/Mass Storage/PC Suite mode, does that mean it would take the charge from computer? My guess is not, but why would it allow data connection and yet no power is to be received? Can n9 be that picky? |
| 07:57.23 | mschlens_ | psycho_oreos: have you tried other cables/ports? |
| 07:58.52 | psycho_oreos | mschlens_, pretty sure I have, they all result in the same thing. |
| 08:01.22 | psycho_oreos | In fact. If a just move the cable around whilst n9 is connected to the computer, the head of the microUSB plug also wiggled slightly. I could hear that nostalgic clicking noise to signify issues with connectivity. |
| 08:01.38 | psycho_oreos | goes and looks for other cables just to double check further. |
| 08:07.54 | psycho_oreos | Nope, tried at least three different cables. Even the charger to microUSB fails to work. |
| 08:11.15 | psycho_oreos | wonders if and when n9 eventually runs flat. Would it finally take charge even though the microUSB port is failing to work. If not then I guess n9 is pretty much just as weak and vulnerable as N900 itself. |
| 08:11.45 | psycho_oreos | *sigh* oh well, I guess in a few weeks time it'll get repaired. |
| 08:15.47 | thedead1440 | psycho_oreos: its a sign of weak usb port; after all its a nokia and this is their inherent weakness :D (e.g. n8, n900, n9 etc)... btw you can check bmestat via ssh to see the current being passed on to the battery. if its <400mA it surely isn't charging... |
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| 08:32.20 | liuhoujiang | 有人吗 |
| 08:36.43 | psycho_oreos | thedead1440, yeah I had a suspicion that it would be weak USB port. I also have a hard time connecting to it via SSH (but that could be a firewall issue on my PC). Though I guess I'll look into bmestat on the n9 itself, from the terminal. Thanks for the info. |
| 08:37.14 | thedead1440 | psycho_oreos: i recognize the symptoms as both my n9s failed this way :( |
| 08:38.28 | psycho_oreos | thedead1440, I suppose you got them reworked (re-soldered)? I hear someone else before have had this issue and they found a blog entry detailing on how to do it. |
| 08:39.09 | thedead1440 | psycho_oreos: unfortunately not yet; no repair shop wants to touch it and i don't have the time to travel somewhere else to get them fixed... |
| 08:39.32 | psycho_oreos | In either case I personally don't believe that I have steady enough hands to rework on tiny components let alone have the proper equipment to do it. I'm going to have to go with getting it done by some company (whom will also offer me 6 months warranty on repairs done by them). |
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| 08:40.06 | psycho_oreos | thedead1440, o.O I'm not sure how it works where you are but I hear mobile phone repair shops was the clue word I got for where I am (in .au). |
| 08:40.42 | psycho_oreos | Eventually I found a mob known as fix my mobile (I only know they are in Australia and Brisbane specifically, in Queensland) that will fix n9's microUSB port. |
| 08:41.22 | thedead1440 | oh; i am in singapore and here they are all fruit and droids only :D |
| 08:41.54 | liuhoujiang | m没有说中文的啊 |
| 08:42.06 | psycho_oreos | lol, I'm certain there will be a mob within Singapore that will do it. I don't know who or where but I'm certain there will be one mob. In the very least. |
| 08:42.09 | thedead1440 | liuhoujiang: ? |
| 08:42.23 | psycho_oreos | liuhoujiang, I can read some Chinese but I cannot type Chinese. |
| 08:42.51 | psycho_oreos | thedead1440, initially he was asking if there was anyone here before he left. Now he's asking if there's nobody speaking in Chinese. |
| 08:43.02 | thedead1440 | psycho_oreos: oh ok |
| 08:43.42 | psycho_oreos | I can read mainly traditional Chinese, simplified Chinese is not really my forte let alone Chinese altogether :x (even though it's _supposed_ to be my mother language). |
| 08:43.52 | thedead1440 | lol |
| 08:44.35 | psycho_oreos | thedead1440, fix my mobile (the company that I went to today) seems to be all droids and fruits as well. I saw two customers walking in and handing their apples. |
| 08:44.43 | liuhoujiang | 你们都不没有中国的吗？ |
| 08:45.05 | liuhoujiang | 英语不好 |
| 08:45.13 | psycho_oreos | Though their site says that they also do other brands. Just probably they don't really stock non droid/fruit stuff. |
| 08:45.44 | thedead1440 | psycho_oreos: here there is one repair shop who fixed my power button and is ready to have a look at soldering but i am too lazy to take it down there and spend upwards of an hour with the possibility of it not being fixed |
| 08:46.12 | psycho_oreos | liuhoujiang, there probably are some Chinese people (I am uncertain if any is on IRC). On the forums maybe a few. Yeah I know but on the flip side (for me) my Chinese is pretty poor heh :x |
| 08:47.21 | psycho_oreos | thedead1440, ahh well I guess you seem to have a choice there :) I got the screen and case replaced today for my n9. I couldn't get my microUSB repaired as they don't stock that part. Also they say around 2 hours wait, which indeed held true. |
| 08:47.39 | thedead1440 | :D |
| 08:48.00 | psycho_oreos | In asia, there's plenty of mobs, even moreso I'm certain they open till the weird hours. Nothing like that here, its all distant/remote and they strictly conform to normal trading hours. |
| 08:48.34 | liuhoujiang | 学习不好真老火 |
| 08:49.12 | psycho_oreos | Slightly little offtopic but I had to get my N900's keyboard fixed, I was visiting China at that time and I remember going to the mall, there was a fair few shops that would do it. Not like here in Australia where there's only one per mall. |
| 08:49.32 | psycho_oreos | ok, I didn't quite understand that heh. :x |
| 08:49.44 | psycho_oreos | As said, my Chinese is pretty bad :/ |
| 08:49.58 | thedead1440 | psycho_oreos: with the advent of apple and droids there really aren't repair shops willing to even look at your device for anything less than the price of a new device. when i had the power button issue at least 7 shops quoted me upwards of S$250 (a price at which i could get a neat condition used n9) while the one who eventually fixed it charged ~S$80 |
| 08:50.33 | psycho_oreos | goes and digs out currency converter. |
| 08:50.50 | thedead1440 | psycho_oreos: 1US$=S$1.20 so divide those by 1.20 :D |
| 08:51.56 | psycho_oreos | thedead1440, I'm too lazy, because I have to do that and then convert it back into AUD lol. S$250 = AUD$212 *whistles* not cheap. |
| 08:52.24 | thedead1440 | exactly; thats the price for a non-fruit or droid ;) |
| 08:53.41 | psycho_oreos | I'd say the repair costs for mine would have been quite close to that of yours. I haven't really sourced any other repair mobs, besides I'm not the sort of person that likes to travel around too much to get my device repaired at a cheap rate, nor do I really trust repair mobs that much. |
| 08:54.02 | psycho_oreos | Also labour costs (as always) are expensive regardless. |
| 08:54.56 | psycho_oreos | I guess this is the price to pay in order to upkeep and uphold these devices lol. The "luxury price". |
| 08:55.06 | thedead1440 | lol |
| 08:55.58 | thedead1440 | might as well get used ones or new ones at shops looking to clear their stock... i found a few 16gig new pieces for S$280 but didn't get them as i wanted a 64gig one... one day i will get the usb port repaired though :D |
| 08:59.04 | psycho_oreos | I must still admit despite the costs and the amount of places you had to went through to get your n9 repaired, you seem to be in better hands than I am. Out of like about 5 mobs (including fix my mobile) I was able to get a rough estimate of how much I was looking to fork out and get my n9 fixed. Other mobs never quote prices plus they probably wouldn't be interested in one off jobs either. Besides most others are in nearby states :/. |
| 08:59.26 | psycho_oreos | o.O I have 64gb one, though black. |
| 09:04.41 | psycho_oreos | Which one would appeal to you more (out of curiousity). The n9 or the N900? |
| 09:19.08 | mschlens_ | hardware-wise I prefer the N9. Software-wise Maemo and Harmattan are both really nice systems. |
| 09:21.50 | psycho_oreos | What if you were to only choose strictly one out of the two for software-wise? :) |
| 09:24.13 | mschlens_ | It would probably be Maemo. |
| 09:24.21 | mschlens_ | But with more decent hardware than the N900. |
| 09:24.33 | mschlens_ | The N900 is way to fragile. |
| 09:25.08 | psycho_oreos | Yeah that would be evident haha :D Even I can easily agree. Nonetheless the N900 hardware on the basis itself was very cool for its day and age (considering how old it is now). |
| 09:25.31 | mschlens_ | before I had the N900, I had a Motorola Razor. That would have made a nice basis for Maemo :) |
| 09:25.40 | mschlens_ | indeed |
| 09:27.18 | psycho_oreos | When speaking of Motorola, I can only think back to my old Razr v3 or whatever it was called.. A flip phone that was extremely laggy, it was probably a Java OS based phone that forever cursed me of how sluggish Java OS was. Prior to my first N900 I had N95-1 which was also pretty crap apart from one software that kept me sane. |
| 09:28.08 | psycho_oreos | Actually.. even I was trying to setup Motorola Defy+ some months back, the security measures they embedded on their android version was pretty insane. |
| 09:28.09 | mschlens_ | Oh wait, bullshit. Not Razor. Droid. aka Milestone. |
| 09:28.26 | mschlens_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Droid |
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| 09:28.45 | psycho_oreos | Nonetheless that is still cool, a proper qwerty device/phone. |
| 09:28.48 | mschlens_ | Pretty much identical internals to the N900 minus the eMMC |
| 09:29.13 | mschlens_ | Yeah, Motorola is pretty anal about this stuff. |
| 09:29.23 | mschlens_ | Probably even more so than other vendors. |
| 09:30.36 | mschlens_ | If only Android wouldn't be such a botched Linux... |
| 09:32.32 | psycho_oreos | Even though no matter how android is, it at least somehow brought linux attention to the greater world. I know there's fair few linux fans that would definitely not class android as part of linux but to me it still has linux kernel which somehow makes it linux based even though it has this ugly dalvik vm on top. |
| 09:33.14 | mschlens_ | Yep |
| 09:33.30 | psycho_oreos | Did you have a software called motoblur on that Motorola Milestone? |
| 09:33.38 | mschlens_ | I believe so, yes |
| 09:34.38 | psycho_oreos | Yeah I can't say much about it (as it was my first time seeing it on android powered Motorola devices) but that thing was a royal pain in the ... well you know what I mean. |
| 09:35.27 | psycho_oreos | I've only played with one other android device which was Samsung Galaxy S II, never had a thing known as motoblur but they were still strict to locale lockings or telco locks. |
| 09:35.45 | mschlens_ | Ugh, don't mention Samsung. |
| 09:36.17 | mschlens_ | One of the first things I did was replacing their stock fw with CyanogenMod - which at least was kind of usable. |
| 09:37.05 | psycho_oreos | To me, in some ways Samsung was less restrictive than Motorola. I remember I had to ask tech support on how to get out of that motoblur, which lead me into requiring to do this and that. |
| 09:37.33 | psycho_oreos | I tried replacing stock fw with vanilla version, that was a real pain I recall with Samsung, without a doubt. |
| 09:38.05 | psycho_oreos | I couldn't get out of the "greetings" screen or whatever its called, it kept whinging about unable to connect to samsung service or something. |
| 09:38.09 | mschlens_ | I think it's a major pita with all Android devices. |
| 09:38.24 | psycho_oreos | Haha, I'm can somewhat relate :D |
| 09:38.28 | mschlens_ | I did it on a Sony Xperia Z and tried to do it on an Odroid U2. |
| 09:38.59 | psycho_oreos | I would presume with that Sony device it would have been a pain as well? |
| 09:39.08 | psycho_oreos | I know Sony is all DRM-tastic. |
| 09:39.47 | mschlens_ | Yeah. The level of fun was about the same. |
| 09:39.47 | mschlens_ | Actually the X-Z is pretty open for Sony standards. |
| 09:40.01 | mschlens_ | Pretty much en par with all the rest of the Android crap out there. |
| 09:40.52 | psycho_oreos | That's a bit of a news to me, I thought Sony is really ****** about DRM and strict conformance to preventing user/owner freedom. |
| 09:42.08 | psycho_oreos | still nonetheless loathe Sony otherwise. |
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| 13:37.02 | psycho_oreos | Hmm nope, looks like its well and truly dead. *sigh* |
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