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| 01:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | loin has no idea what to think about N9. He prefers android over a debian based proper linux, and wonders how to replace HARM by `a full "linux"ยด |
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| 06:28.04 | Jonni | well most worth out of n9 he would get with Harmattan. |
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| 09:03.07 | sakjur | Jonni: I'd not have anything against him/her trying to port Sailfish :D |
| 09:19.12 | juhaj_ | Speaking of which, do we have any idea how good Jolla and Sailfish are going to be? |
| 09:22.07 | sakjur | juhaj_: Somewhere between our expectations and reality I suppose.. |
| 09:22.43 | Morpog_ | lol |
| 09:22.59 | Morpog_ | you can try it limited on SDK emulator |
| 09:23.23 | sakjur | Morpog_: that doesn't give you the Jolla-part though |
| 09:23.38 | Morpog_ | nope |
| 09:23.48 | Morpog_ | but better than nothing |
| 09:25.10 | juhaj_ | Morpog_: Why do you laugh? |
| 09:25.37 | sakjur | yes, but battery length, sound quality, heat, GPS-accuracy, camera. All the small things Nokia are top-notch at but Jolla are untried at. That's where we might end up with a failure. Also the Dalvik-compatability layer |
| 09:27.49 | juhaj_ | SDK does not give any idea of what software will be available. Can it run android software? Meego/harmattan? Tizen? <whatever meego is called nowadays>? Does it have decent numbers of native software, like openvpn, sshd, vnc etc? Does it have a decent battery (i.e. over a day's active use, which n9 cannot manage for example)? Etc. |
| 09:27.55 | Morpog_ | well, most ODMs build pretty solid HW nowadays and Jolla obviously won't do the HW itself, only the design. |
| 09:28.29 | juhaj_ | sakjur: Nokia is not good battery-wise: it's Symbian, which excels there. N9 sucks big time. |
| 09:28.51 | Morpog_ | given the wayland and qt5 change you can answer alot of your questions with no |
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| 09:29.48 | juhaj_ | sakjur: Yes, sound quality and max volume are also issues on N9. Not so much the quality, but volume: I often cannot hear what the other person says if I'm in a noisy place. And I'm not talking about being next to a jet engine but a grocery store for example |
| 09:29.55 | Morpog_ | and MeeGo is nowadays called Mer :) |
| 09:30.23 | juhaj_ | MeeGo keeps changing names so fast that I lost track at some point. Wasn't it something else between MeeGo and Tienz, too? |
| 09:30.30 | Morpog_ | juhaj_, never had a problem with sound volume |
| 09:30.55 | Morpog_ | Tizen took MeeGo base only for IVI, not for handset or anything else |
| 09:31.35 | juhaj_ | Morpog_: I lost my earphones when I moved to Vallentuna, and haven't gotten around buying new ones yet, so I use the phone the "old fashion way": hold it up to my ear. And that isn't loud enough |
| 09:31.55 | Morpog_ | maybe your speaker is faulty? |
| 09:32.01 | juhaj_ | Maybe |
| 09:32.18 | juhaj_ | But I hear this from other people, too, including one of the designers of the device |
| 09:32.48 | juhaj_ | (No, not HW designer) |
| 09:33.42 | sakjur | juhaj_: Nokia is _better_ than Apple when it comes to battery though.. ;) Even though that's bad.. |
| 09:34.01 | juhaj_ | Anyway, which ones of my questions are "no" thanks to wayland and qt5? I guess software from meego and relatives. Openvpn, sshd and vnc(client) should not have issues with that, although vnc server probably will |
| 09:34.07 | juhaj_ | sakjur: =) |
| 09:34.39 | Morpog_ | all software that depends on x11 |
| 09:34.57 | juhaj_ | And is not yet ported to wayland for other reasons |
| 09:35.07 | Morpog_ | they could work later when someone ports xwayland to sailfishos |
| 09:35.07 | juhaj_ | (I mean, isn't Ubuntu going to use wayland in the future?) |
| 09:35.31 | Morpog_ | ubunti anandoned wayland and develop their own solution called MIR |
| 09:35.37 | Morpog_ | abandoned |
| 09:35.49 | Morpog_ | damn typos |
| 09:36.28 | Morpog_ | they got a lot of critics for that move from FOSS world |
| 09:38.34 | juhaj_ | Oh, that seems to move too fast for me to follow, too, then. =) |
| 09:39.32 | juhaj_ | I wish I had some free time someday again, to do some other fun things, too. I mean, yes, I do fnu things now, but there are other fun things I'd like to do, too if I had the time |
| 09:40.09 | Morpog_ | yeah, I'd like to win in lottery, then I have enough time for all fun things :) |
| 09:42.32 | juhaj_ | That would work |
| 09:44.13 | juhaj_ | But I do not invest in lottery. The chances of becoming a few million euros richer with or without playing lottery are too close to each other |
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| 11:00.13 | jean_brat | hi felllas, is there any External keyboard software for nokia n9? like extkbd in n900 |
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