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| 11:25.04 | C_coded_HAL_386 | Does any one know if there will be an NOKIA N10 |
| 11:25.11 | C_coded_HAL_386 | N series Phone |
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| 11:51.07 | cb400f | nope, just lumia's as far as the eye can see |
| 11:51.22 | cb400f | the closest thing to an N10 will be the Jolla Mobile phones |
| 11:51.33 | cb400f | maybe even N11 :-) |
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| 12:38.24 | C_coded_HAL_386 | I like my N9 ever so |
| 12:39.48 | psycho_oreos | Inevitably there will be no more by nokia. |
| 12:45.11 | trigpoint_n9 | i have never seen anyone else with an n9 |
| 12:45.33 | C_coded_HAL_386 | same |
| 12:45.44 | C_coded_HAL_386 | I have the black 64gb |
| 12:45.46 | C_coded_HAL_386 | you? |
| 12:46.28 | trigpoint_n9 | black 16gb |
| 12:46.32 | psycho_oreos | n9 probably lacked much advertising so I guess its seen as a niche device. |
| 12:47.08 | mschlens_ | psycho_oreos: drop that probably. Nokia tried to hide the N9 as good as they could. |
| 12:47.42 | mschlens_ | But still, supposedly in the first year, despite their crippling "marketing" strategy, the N9 sold better than the entire Lumia range. |
| 12:47.48 | psycho_oreos | mschlens_, was trying to cover my ass in case if they ever did tried to advertise in the most miserable form they could :) |
| 12:48.06 | C_coded_HAL_386 | Meego is nice OS or should I say Maemo 6 |
| 12:48.07 | psycho_oreos | Yeah that's what is ironic about the whole thing. |
| 12:48.35 | psycho_oreos | I loathe the aegis, honestly. It was an unnecessary thing they had to put on. |
| 12:50.58 | psycho_oreos | wouldn't personally put meego/harmattan in line with the maemo family. It was the one off device that actually lacked a hardware keyboard. |
| 12:52.07 | mschlens_ | psycho_oreos: agreed. But then again the N9 was initially lanced at a real consumer device. And as that they wanted to make sure that not everybody and their mothers wreak havoc on their phones. |
| 12:52.23 | mschlens_ | It's a nuisance, hands down. |
| 12:52.45 | psycho_oreos | mschlens_, wreck havoc? how so? |
| 12:53.19 | mschlens_ | I don't know... fiddling in their file system, install software without knowing what they do, I have no idea. |
| 12:53.42 | mschlens_ | Just saying that I kind of understand their motivation. |
| 12:54.47 | mschlens_ | Just like google and apple are crippling their devices. |
| 12:55.34 | C_coded_HAL_386 | like my N900 it still a fine peice of kit |
| 12:55.53 | C_coded_HAL_386 | though N9 is more upto speed |
| 12:56.00 | psycho_oreos | Well yeah I can agree, it means less frustrations to deal with as compared to maemo 5. However they made it worse by making it so that there's no option to turn it off, which made it really lame the whole aegis thing. |
| 12:56.44 | C_coded_HAL_386 | just install power control |
| 12:56.52 | C_coded_HAL_386 | switch |
| 12:57.21 | psycho_oreos | power control switch? |
| 12:57.55 | C_coded_HAL_386 | its an app |
| 12:58.25 | C_coded_HAL_386 | give you reset or power off |
| 12:59.22 | mschlens_ | very helpful, albeit pretty ugly (visually ;-)) |
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| 13:02.03 | psycho_oreos | Yeah I had that, I hardly use it much. |
| 13:02.17 | C_coded_HAL_386 | ok |
| 13:04.01 | psycho_oreos | I used to tinker quite a fair bit with n9, trying to find ways to circumvent aegis and get the device to do the things I want. |
| 13:04.24 | psycho_oreos | This was all before inception came about, by the time when it came around, it only supports newer firmware :/ |
| 13:07.09 | C_coded_HAL_386 | rigth |
| 13:07.18 | C_coded_HAL_386 | right |
| 13:07.20 | C_coded_HAL_386 | i mean |
| 13:07.22 | C_coded_HAL_386 | ok |
| 13:08.11 | C_coded_HAL_386 | the N9 is a true pure LINUX |
| 13:08.23 | psycho_oreos | larts C_coded_HAL_386. |
| 13:08.44 | psycho_oreos | True pure linux my ******. |
| 13:08.54 | C_coded_HAL_386 | lol |
| 13:09.04 | C_coded_HAL_386 | its core is |
| 13:09.20 | C_coded_HAL_386 | 2.6 |
| 13:09.30 | psycho_oreos | Its as almost tainted as android. |
| 13:09.39 | mschlens_ | psycho_oreos: ah c'mon. Give him some credit. It's more true pure linux than Android can ever hope to be :) |
| 13:09.42 | mschlens_ | ha! |
| 13:10.07 | C_coded_HAL_386 | yep |
| 13:10.13 | psycho_oreos | mschlens_, oh yeah a little more freedom but come on, you said you have N900, if n9 is true pure linux what is N900 then? |
| 13:10.25 | psycho_oreos | err crap wrong handle lol. |
| 13:10.26 | psycho_oreos | :x |
| 13:10.33 | C_coded_HAL_386 | N900 |
| 13:10.37 | C_coded_HAL_386 | is bliss |
| 13:10.42 | mschlens_ | psycho_oreos: I totally agree, nothing beats the N900. |
| 13:10.48 | mschlens_ | (in terms of freedom) |
| 13:10.51 | C_coded_HAL_386 | LINUX biss |
| 13:11.01 | C_coded_HAL_386 | NOKIA at it best |
| 13:11.15 | mschlens_ | But in any case, I'd prefer Harmattan over Android (or iOS) any day. |
| 13:11.30 | psycho_oreos | mschlens_, don't forget the rest of the maemo family, starting with 770 :) 770, then 800, then 810, then the wimax editions then N900. |
| 13:11.35 | C_coded_HAL_386 | I have owned 3 N900 in its day and still have one |
| 13:11.51 | psycho_oreos | still has in his possession 3.5 N900. |
| 13:11.54 | mschlens_ | psycho_oreos: yeah, never had those. |
| 13:12.13 | psycho_oreos | mschlens_, neither have I to be frank, I never knew about such devices. |
| 13:13.00 | psycho_oreos | I'd prefer Android almost anyday over harmattan and having to deal with aegis. Though had I used inception maybe the case would have been opposite. Nothing beats N900 hands down |
| 13:13.17 | psycho_oreos | Nothing apart from maybe N950, the "runaway bride" |
| 13:13.53 | mschlens_ | psycho_oreos: OK, taking aegis out of the equation, Harmattan is nicer. It's much more usable, it's more consistent, streamlined, etc, etc |
| 13:14.05 | psycho_oreos | Besides we haven't even considered windows phone :) look at lumia now haha. |
| 13:14.27 | psycho_oreos | mschlens_, nicer maybe, usable, no. Consistent, somewhat. |
| 13:14.59 | C_coded_HAL_386 | the N950 uses the dev version of N9 though is basical a N9 with keyboard still i must nothing can compare to the N900 |
| 13:15.27 | psycho_oreos | The device never seemed appealing, the lack of hardware keyboard for me is a pure let down. Having to be stuck with whatever options that software developers coded up is what I　can use. Freedom? not quite. |
| 13:15.40 | mschlens_ | I can only speak for myself, I had three android phones running 2.1, 2.3 and 4.1 and I couldn't stand using either one of them for longer than two months. |
| 13:15.57 | psycho_oreos | C_coded_HAL_386, its not the same.. there are hardware variances apart from sharing the same software. |
| 13:16.03 | mschlens_ | The first one I replaced with an N900, the second one with my first N9, the second with my second N9. |
| 13:17.17 | C_coded_HAL_386 | your right |
| 13:17.18 | psycho_oreos | I never played android on a full-time basis but coming from symbian, I loathed everytime I had to deal with it. Harmattan and aegis reminded me of exactly just that issue with trusted platform crap. |
| 13:17.19 | C_coded_HAL_386 | yep |
| 13:17.49 | psycho_oreos | Except N950.. no N950 had the option to forgo aegis initially. n9 was never given the choice. |
| 13:18.37 | psycho_oreos | They had to put a leash on people just so that they can feel happy. |
| 13:18.50 | psycho_oreos | Wasting their time and effort in a product that was going to end anyway. |
| 13:19.13 | psycho_oreos | ~aegis |
| 13:19.13 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 13:19.22 | psycho_oreos | Last link ftw. |
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