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| 03:12.02 | joecool | trying to purge out facebook on the N9, running into issues purging out libqt-facebook |
| 03:12.11 | joecool | Removing libqt-facebook ... |
| 03:12.11 | joecool | ldconfig: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied |
| 03:13.25 | joecool | (yes i am root) |
| 03:13.45 | joecool | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1227483&postcount=1340 << apparently not the only one |
| 05:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | root doesn't mean a thing on HARM |
| 05:37.36 | joecool | good to know |
| 05:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not unix user permissions but aegis that decides what you may and may not do |
| 05:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g root mustn't write to user's homedir |
| 05:38.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | root cannot send signals to user processes |
| 05:38.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis |
| 05:38.50 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 05:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~may-i-edit |
| 05:42.43 | infobot | mayIedit () { grep "`basename $1`" /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist && echo "probably not" && return; echo "edit if you feel venturous"; } |
| 05:44.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not be surprised if ld.so.cache was a file that kills your system if your find a way to and actually do touch it |
| 05:44.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~malf |
| 05:44.35 | infobot | i guess malf is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Aegis-kills-device.jpg |
| 05:45.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | now you know why I haven't touched my N9/N950 since almost a year |
| 05:45.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it sucks |
| 05:46.11 | joecool | sucks, just got a N9 |
| 05:47.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a nice device, for a smartphone. But not for messing with it like you're used to do on a linux system |
| 05:48.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | remarkable sidenote: even more than half of nokia's harmattan devels hate aegis |
| 05:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | n900 forever! |
| 05:51.18 | joecool | heh i did like the n900, i specifically got the n9 because it's pretty good on battery and does what i need it to do |
| 05:51.40 | joecool | well i have one final thing i need to get working |
| 05:51.45 | joecool | which might be tricky |
| 05:52.11 | joecool | openvpn |
| 05:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | either there's a package for that to install, or you're most likely out of luck |
| 05:54.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, you can go the opnemode/inceptions path |
| 05:54.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it's a PITA and an abomination in my book |
| 05:55.59 | joecool | looks like its there |
| 05:56.11 | joecool | it's just cli only http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89703 |
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| 11:30.03 | valdur55 | Maybe we can completely remove aegis from device? |
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| 11:34.01 | valdur55 | There are some init scripts which uses aegis session |
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| 17:53.30 | Jonni | valdur55: if you install Nemo, you dont have aegis |
| 17:53.42 | Jonni | valdur55: but if you install harmattan, you will always have aegis. |
| 17:54.08 | joecool | how is nemo right now to use a daily OS? |
| 17:54.38 | Jonni | joecool: daily phone, NO, hacker device at most. |
| 17:55.52 | Jonni | valdur55: you really dont event need to remove aegis ever, you can just patch the secure mode to allow AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN and after that you can do anything that you want, without aegis ever bothering you |
| 17:57.15 | Jonni | people usually have the package conflicts because they use different origin with inception, vs if you use com.nokia.maemo origin everywhere, there never is any package conflicts. |
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| 19:11.59 | valdur55 | Jonni: but... if i wan't completely remove aegis ... Just for fun |
| 19:13.17 | Jonni | then it wouldnt be harmattan anymore :) |
| 19:14.44 | valdur55 | It's like a game - malfed or not :) |
| 19:16.10 | Jonni | not really, if you remove aegis, you need rewrite the services and daemons that are using aegis heavily, and without source codes its a bit difficult. |
| 19:17.11 | valdur55 | Yep.. it's pointless |
| 19:17.58 | Jonni | for me aegis allows me to do anything I like, and protects me against malware. Aegis can be your friend as long as you know what your doing :) |
| 19:19.55 | Jonni | and you can always recover from malf even without reflashing :) |
| 19:30.23 | valdur55 | Yea. When i why it malfs |
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| 19:33.29 | Jonni | (and you can even disable malfs if you edit the configs) :) |
| 19:35.07 | Jonni | that way even if you screw up refhashlist, your device boots up :) |
| 19:56.45 | valdur55 | Yea.. :) |
| 19:57.12 | valdur55 | I just wai Jolla's Phone :) |
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