IRC log for #n9 on 20130403

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05:20.38ToAruShiroiNekocan I get some help with my N9
05:20.44ToAruShiroiNekoits not very responsive anymore
05:21.01ToAruShiroiNekoat times I have to wait minutes for a single command no matter how basic it is
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05:27.47Jonnireboot, use top to see what eating cpu and kill the processes, look for errror messages with dmesg etc...
05:31.22ToAruShiroiNekoI could do that but I could also reinstall the OS from scratch
05:31.29ToAruShiroiNekoI wanted to try a dual boot with android
05:31.44ToAruShiroiNekoI dont know which source to use for this :/
05:32.10ToAruShiroiNekoI just want to at first backup everything in a manner I can restore it back
05:32.33ToAruShiroiNekoright now I am moving music, photos videos etc off the phone since thats just data
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05:56.40ToAruShiroiNekois there an easy way to save a list of apps I have installed?
05:58.11juicemeToAruShiroiNeko, I remember there was something like that in N9Qtweak
05:58.56juicemeI have not used it myself but unless I am wrong it can recreate the debs for your installed applications.
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05:59.41juicemeWhat I am using, is the tweak in apt that copies the DEB to backup location when installing it. Of cpourse that has to be done before any installs :)
06:01.12juicemeNOrmally it should be enough to make backup of your MyDocs + take the N9 backup via the internal backup application (and of course save the backup files outside your N9)
06:01.29ToAruShiroiNekointernal backup application?
06:01.47ToAruShiroiNekoyou mean the one with nokia suite?
06:02.18juicemethe one you access thru settings -> synchronization -> backup
06:02.31ToAruShiroiNekoon nokia suite right?
06:02.34ToAruShiroiNekono?
06:02.50juicemeI don't use Nokia Suite, since it's windows solution, I don't have windows...
06:02.58ToAruShiroiNekoso its on the phone then
06:03.08juicemeon the phone, yes.
06:03.17juicemesettings -> synchronization -> backup
06:03.18ToAruShiroiNekoI verify because I dont want to brick the phone somehow :)
06:03.29juiceme:)
06:03.39ToAruShiroiNekowaiting for settings to show up
06:03.44ToAruShiroiNekothat was about 1.5 minutes
06:04.06juicemeanyway, this on-the-phone backup thing will back up your accounts, messages, emails, settings, application data ...
06:04.24ToAruShiroiNekowill it become a single file?
06:04.35ToAruShiroiNekohow would I be able to restore it if I end up formatting the phone?
06:05.06juicemeit will create the backup files in MyDocs/.backups/
06:05.37juicemefor each backup there will be a directory created there
06:06.00juicemein the dir there will be several zip files
06:06.47juicemeSave the content of MyDocs/.backups to your computer after doing the backup
06:07.48juicemeWhen you have wiped your device, just copy the .backup content back to your device, and do settings -> sunc & backup -> restore
06:08.59ToAruShiroiNekohow will the device do that once every file is gone?
06:09.05ToAruShiroiNekothere wouldnt be an OS
06:09.15juicemehmm?
06:09.52juicemeWhen you wipe the device, I mean, reflash it so it's as-new :)
06:10.18juicemeI don't think you can even wipe it "clean" so there is no OS :) :)
06:11.36juiceme(well of course you could do it by running flash-erase on your mmcblk0 and mtd, but why on earth would somebody want to do that....)
06:33.26ToAruShiroiNekoI dont want to
06:33.39ToAruShiroiNekoI dont know how dualboot android would come to be
06:33.51ToAruShiroiNekoI am just considering my options :)
06:34.27ToAruShiroiNekoblah
06:34.39ToAruShiroiNekoI finally know why on earth my music arcive is massive
06:34.45ToAruShiroiNekothe phone made coppies of it all -_-
06:39.08ToAruShiroiNekojuiceme do you know if there will ever be another megoo patch?
06:39.28ToAruShiroiNekolast patch had thousands of fixes which really didnt add up
06:39.37ToAruShiroiNekoI didnt see a big change
06:39.43juicemeToAruShiroiNeko, to dualboot to android is fairly easy. You do not need even a boot manager (but of course it is nice to have :)
06:40.19ToAruShiroiNekoI ideally want to be able to choose the OS to boot without complicated button mashing
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06:40.42juicemethe simplest solution is just use sillyboot which is basically a modified preinit where ypou select whether to chroot to NItdroid or Harmattan.
06:40.45ToAruShiroiNekoor perhaps boot the two at the same time
06:40.52ToAruShiroiNekoah hmm
06:41.03ToAruShiroiNekosounds silly :p
06:41.28juicemeI don't think it's possible to boot both at the same time, not with curent implementation
06:42.29juicemesee, even as you start Harmattan, and then start Nitdroid in a chroot env, you would have all the proc stuff different :)
06:42.59juicemebtw, what do you mean by "without complicated button mashing" ?
06:58.44ToAruShiroiNekoweird button combinations etc
06:59.19ToAruShiroiNekoI'll probably use the phone as a pure android now even if I have meego as a secondary OS :/
06:59.52ToAruShiroiNekoI am not very satisfied with meegoo, simple stuff like getting skype, dropbox to work is too much of a chore
07:00.25ToAruShiroiNekoor video gtalk
07:02.27ToAruShiroiNekoI dont want to loose megoo either so dual boot would be the best
07:04.37juicemeahh, weird button combinations == press volumeup on start etc...
07:05.18juicemeThen you would like to have the evtap-based sillyboot.2
07:05.53juicemethat gives you a graphigal menu, where you can press an icon to start up the OS you like...
07:06.25juicemelike this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-tRdC0IX4
07:07.43juicemeone word of caution, though regarding Nitdroid
07:08.13juicemePretty few people want to run it as default OS as it has it's limitations :(
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07:09.36ToAruShiroiNekolimitations?
07:09.42ToAruShiroiNekolike?
07:10.25juicemewell, you are aware, of course, that you cannot make phone calls with it. And the camera does not work.
07:10.41ToAruShiroiNekowhat?
07:10.46juicemebut if all you ever use is skypr & gtalk then you should be fine :)
07:10.58ToAruShiroiNekohow is this a phone then?
07:11.06juicemewell there is some issue in AMR codecs I guess
07:11.17juicemewhat do you mena?
07:11.27juicemes/mena/mean/
07:12.10juiceme"how is this a phone then?" well, it's not a phone :)
07:12.43juicemeYou get 3G data connection but CS over packet does not work
07:13.01juicemedata and text messages is OK
07:13.05ToAruShiroiNekoso I have the option to either use it as a phone but nothing else or I have the option to use it as a PDA
07:13.21juicemeand as you have data, skype works for voice.
07:13.33ToAruShiroiNekono one can call me I presume when I am using android
07:14.05juicemehmm yes, I guess you will get the ringing notification but you cannot answer the call
07:14.26juicemeit's basically a PDA when operating in Nitdroid mode
07:14.50ToAruShiroiNekoyou dont get 3g without tweaking on megoo either
07:14.58juicemebut I do not agree with you that "you get nothing but phone" when running Harmattan.
07:15.16ToAruShiroiNekoI have failed to use it aside from that and an mp3 player basically
07:15.19ToAruShiroiNekomaybe its my luck
07:15.28ToAruShiroiNekoskype is audio only gtalk is messaging only
07:15.52juicemewhat do you mean... I run my N9 mostly Harmattan and everything I want works well with it...?
07:15.53ToAruShiroiNekophone is non-responsive more often than not
07:16.08juicemeMy phone is _never_ unresponsive
07:16.12ToAruShiroiNekoI have to wait minutes just to see settings
07:16.26ToAruShiroiNekoas I said, maybe its my luck
07:16.35juicemeyou have some broken thingies installed in your device if you consider it unresponsive...
07:16.45ToAruShiroiNekohence why I want to format
07:17.02ToAruShiroiNekowith a list of already installed apps I should be able to reinstall what I really need
07:17.31ToAruShiroiNekoI dont hate meego, it just underpreformed for me :(
07:17.41juicemewell, then you need to reflash it. See the TMO thread "[HOWTO] Comprehensive Firmware Flashing Guide for N9" on what is the correct way to do it
07:18.01ToAruShiroiNekobefore that I wish to save a copy of my installed apps :)
07:18.10ToAruShiroiNekoperhaps as a text file
07:18.33ToAruShiroiNekoN9Qtweak?
07:18.35juicemeheh, Meego Harmattan is _way_ more powerful than any poor poor android phones... do ot underestimate it :)
07:18.46ToAruShiroiNekoThats why I got it
07:18.56ToAruShiroiNekoso that I can mess with it if I need to like here
07:19.17ToAruShiroiNekobut I also have basic needs such as skype/gtalk video at times
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07:19.53juicemeyes. It is fairly versatile thing to tweak. but with that comes the responsibility: when you mess it up, you need to know how to unmess it :)
07:20.47ToAruShiroiNekohttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2111887
07:20.56ToAruShiroiNekosailfish?
07:21.34juicemeyes, when you got sailfish on it it will work with calls also.
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07:22.13juicemeAs calls etc. work on Nemo and sailfish port on N9 would be partly based on Nemo
07:23.54ToAruShiroiNekois it a good idea?
07:23.58ToAruShiroiNekodual boot?
07:24.17juicemehmm, dualboot Harmattan/Nitdroid?
07:24.45juicemewell yes if you just need Nitdroid now and then, for example.
07:25.09juicemeI use it mainly to let my son play Android games on my N9
07:25.38juicemeMostly I use Harmattan, qoute often Nemo.
07:25.50juicemes/qoute/quite/
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07:33.30ToAruShiroiNekojuiceme okay
07:33.53ToAruShiroiNekoI am waiting for the backup
07:34.31ToAruShiroiNekoonce thats done I will try to save a list of the apps I have installed and then try to do what you suggested
07:34.37juicemeokay. Did you find a way to save your applications, without need to download them again?
07:36.53juicemeWhat I recommend, is a small tweak to apt configuration: it will save the dpkg's that you download from Nokia Store, for example so you will not need to download them again to install...
07:37.36juicemesee this thread how to do it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87057
07:37.40ToAruShiroiNekojuiceme I havent
07:37.48ToAruShiroiNekoI dont want to restore from the backup ideally
07:38.10juicemeIt might be included in N9Qtweak also, I don't know since I do not use that tweak.
07:38.13ToAruShiroiNekowhatever is causing the problem is possibly saved through the backup
07:38.38juicemehmm yes, well that is also a possibility.
07:38.57ToAruShiroiNekoso i want to redownload what I think is worthwhile
07:39.22juicemebut what you can do is create a backup of the fresh device before restoring backups.
07:39.34ToAruShiroiNekosure
07:39.58ToAruShiroiNekobut I want to download the software I am using right now without trying to remember from memory what their names were
07:40.26juicemethen, you could make a hybrid-kind-of backup, combine for example the messages and contacts from one and application settings from other...
07:40.44ToAruShiroiNekolots of possibilities
07:40.58ToAruShiroiNekomy phones alarm worked so that was suprising
07:41.05ToAruShiroiNekogiven how I moved all music off the phone :/
07:41.09juicemeyes, possibilities exist. Not all of them easy, but lots are doable :)
07:41.35ToAruShiroiNekophone contains 104.9mb of files 101.7 being an earlier backup
07:41.42ToAruShiroiNekodoesnt sound right
07:42.14ToAruShiroiNekoat least this is whats listed to WinDirStat in flashdisk mode
07:42.42juicemeyou mean, you had musical alarm and the music was still there even when deleted? That could be so that the music to sound the alarm was copied somewhere else when you changed the alarm music.
07:43.52juicemeI don't know what is "WinDirStat in flashdisk mode", but I guess that lists only MyDocs partition ar that's what gets exported as USB memory.
07:43.57ToAruShiroiNekojuiceme probably
07:44.22ToAruShiroiNekoWinDirStat is a windows software that gives graphical output of folders or drives
07:44.32ToAruShiroiNekogiving you list of which folder contains what
07:44.36ToAruShiroiNekonifty
07:44.54ToAruShiroiNekoflashdisk mode (or whatever its called) is when the N9 is usable like a flashdisk
07:45.08ToAruShiroiNekothats what I mean anyways (or fail at trying) :p
07:45.24juicemeok. remember though, that there are 3 partitions in your mmcblk0 and only one is visible to outside PC.
07:45.49ToAruShiroiNekothat is something I didnt know but always was curious about :/
07:46.10juicemeyou need special things to see your root partition and home partition
07:46.24ToAruShiroiNekolike the consol on the N9 itself :p
07:46.30juicemespecial = meaning you need to boot a rescue kernel
07:46.45juicemeyes, then you see them like on N9 console.
07:46.49ToAruShiroiNekodo I really need to? wouldnt backup recover everything?
07:47.08juicemewell.. it depends.
07:47.42ToAruShiroiNekoemails and contacts are from gmail anyways so I am not too worried about that
07:47.45juicemeBackup will save all your settings but you need to install applications as they are not saved
07:47.47ToAruShiroiNekolikewise my calender
07:48.03ToAruShiroiNekoI dont mind reinstalling apps
07:48.23ToAruShiroiNekoI want their settings and files to be kept if I need to use them again
07:48.34juicemeall thos things are saved: email, sms'es, mms'es, contacts, notes, calendar, accounts, etc, etc,
07:48.55ToAruShiroiNekoit probably wont save any accounts as they are all from gmail
07:49.15ToAruShiroiNekosmses are on nokia suite anyways
07:49.22ToAruShiroiNekolikewise notes on outlook
07:49.28juicemeI kind of guess it saves your gmail passwords etc.
07:49.48juicemeone thing though, are you running in open mode or closed mode?
07:49.55ToAruShiroiNekoas in?
07:50.03ToAruShiroiNekodeveloper mode is on
07:50.13ToAruShiroiNekoI think
07:50.17juicemewell, do you uce inception for example?
07:50.46juicemelet me think... you have not flashed a custom kernel?
07:50.54ToAruShiroiNekono
07:51.14juicemeand you have no "big scary warning" screen in startup?
07:51.22ToAruShiroiNekonot really
07:51.23juicemeokay, then you are in closed mode.
07:51.32ToAruShiroiNekojust a semi-annoying video intro by nokia
07:52.20juicememeaning, you are running your device in kind of "protected environment" where you can only run Nokia-approved applications (or else you need to incept it)
07:52.28juiceme:)
07:52.54juicemeIf you want to dual-boot, you will need to put your device in open mode first
07:53.49juicemeand it's best to do it in correct order, or you will get the annoying nag-screen in boot (what people call usually the "big scary warning")
07:54.06ToAruShiroiNekoNokia-approved? IE the company that discontinued the phone
07:54.11ToAruShiroiNeko:p
07:54.23juicemeyes :)
07:54.41juicemethere is a framework called "aegis" in the phone.
07:55.14juicemeone of the functions of it is to prevent running unsigned stuff as root, for example.
07:57.08juicemebut there are some things to consider, when you go to open mode; your all current accounts need to be deleted and then recreated to make it run smoothly. If you do not do that, the phone will ask you to enter all parrwords etc. every time you boot the phone.
07:57.50juicemethis is because currently your account data is encrypted using aegis keys, and in open mode it will use open-mode keys.
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07:58.37juicemeand one thing still, there is one functionality that does _not_ work in open mode, and that is the device lock.
07:59.05juiceme(it's just about the only thing that does not work in open mode, as far as I know...)
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08:27.55ToAruShiroiNekowhat is device lock?
08:28.39ToAruShiroiNekooh when it enters its screen saver-like mode?
08:29.15juicemesettings -> protection -> devicelock
08:29.44juicemewhen you enable it, in screensaver mode, to get back to operation you need to give passcode.
08:30.19juicemesetting the passcode does not work in open mode as it is stored in a memory location not writable in open mode.
08:47.21ToAruShiroiNekothats a useless feature for me :P
08:47.43ToAruShiroiNekomy goal in data security is not getting the phone stolen :)
08:48.02juicemesame here :)
08:48.05ToAruShiroiNekoand not storing anything important on the phone :p
08:49.14juicemeand on top of that I run encfs which is way better than just locking the device :)
08:49.48ToAruShiroiNekoN9 should have came with a geiger meter and lasers
08:49.55ToAruShiroiNekomore phones should come with lasers :p
08:49.59juicemeya!
08:50.18juicemeIve got a mouse that's equipped with a laset, though :)
08:50.33juicemes/laset/laser/
08:50.40ToAruShiroiNekoimagine using it as a laser pointer
08:50.43ToAruShiroiNekoits a 5$ diode
08:52.05juicemeyes, and better still it should have a laser projector, imagine showing off your photos on the wall with that...
08:52.50ToAruShiroiNekolaser guided lasers?
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19:34.01Corsacis it just me or calendar doesn't handle very well daylight saving?
19:34.39Corsacat least when I sync between my laptop and the n9 using syncevolution, there's a 2hour shift somehow
19:37.49Corsacbut only for all day events
19:51.15Corsachttp://betalabs.nokia.com/trials/nokia-suite-beta/bugreport/whole-day-dates-are-not-correctly-synchronized-with-n9 actually
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