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| 07:27.50 | pawky | Jonne_ well.. i believe its naming "sync and connect" pretty much tells you what you can do in that mode... |
| 07:30.20 | pawky | As you might now you can move files to and from your unit using the OBEX protocol. |
| 07:30.43 | pawky | I would say the fun starts once you connect to your phone using ssh :-D |
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| 15:41.01 | evil_core | hi all |
| 15:41.42 | evil_core | I wonder if should I buy Nokia N9 or some other android phone |
| 15:41.56 | evil_core | in Poland N9 are very pricey |
| 15:43.43 | evil_core | 64GB costs ~560-730euros |
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| 16:06.12 | evil_core | and does N9 FM Transmitter works? |
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| 16:14.18 | Rantwolf | in germany are the same prices |
| 16:14.18 | Rantwolf | :-( |
| 16:14.18 | Rantwolf | too high |
| 16:14.42 | Rantwolf | but i got a white n9 half a year ago for 700 euro |
| 16:15.25 | Rantwolf | and it wa worth |
| 16:15.28 | Rantwolf | ;-) |
| 16:16.39 | evil_core | 700euro is not cheat |
| 16:16.53 | evil_core | I can buy NEW 64GB for 560euro |
| 16:17.36 | Rantwolf | in white? |
| 16:17.47 | evil_core | no, I want black |
| 16:17.57 | Rantwolf | ^^ |
| 16:18.00 | evil_core | white is good for gays and apple fans |
| 16:18.10 | Rantwolf | no |
| 16:18.33 | Rantwolf | in my neighborhood are six N9's |
| 16:18.36 | Rantwolf | all black |
| 16:18.48 | Rantwolf | so i want something other |
| 16:18.50 | Rantwolf | ^^ |
| 16:19.03 | evil_core | In Poland theres hard to find anybody with it |
| 16:19.21 | Rantwolf | mhm |
| 16:19.28 | evil_core | but I'm not sure what phone should I choose |
| 16:19.43 | Rantwolf | why? |
| 16:19.50 | Rantwolf | which phones? |
| 16:20.07 | evil_core | there are only android based otherwise |
| 16:20.37 | evil_core | I would like some platform, that I could hack on |
| 16:21.12 | Rantwolf | than the harmattan platform is the right for you |
| 16:21.17 | evil_core | Nokia N9 is pricey, old and unsupported |
| 16:21.58 | evil_core | and that phone was dream year ago for me |
| 16:22.13 | evil_core | N950 are totally unavaible in Poland |
| 16:22.21 | Rantwolf | in germany too |
| 16:22.41 | Rantwolf | i like my n9 |
| 16:23.23 | evil_core | N9 was supposed to use low-powr(due to native apps, not andtroid), got FM Transmitter(phone lacks FM antenna) and Alien Dalvik, so its incompatible with anything |
| 16:24.03 | evil_core | I would probably love it if I would get one |
| 16:24.32 | evil_core | but the question is, is it really worth that money? (560euro) |
| 16:25.27 | evil_core | I would also like ot get some waterproof and shock-resistant phone ;-) |
| 16:25.29 | Rantwolf | i know a person who offers his n9 for 300 euros |
| 16:25.40 | Rantwolf | but its only 16gb |
| 16:25.57 | evil_core | 16GB is much more cheaper |
| 16:26.17 | Rantwolf | thats what i can say to you |
| 16:27.21 | evil_core | new unit costs 353euros in shop, and postages from Germany would costs |
| 16:27.56 | Rantwolf | ok |
| 16:28.07 | evil_core | but what's N9 advantages when? |
| 16:28.56 | evil_core | I know that it worked more smooth year ago than Android/WPF, but more important would be battery life for me |
| 16:31.18 | evil_core | but theres still no possibility to run Android apps on N9 w/o switching to NITdroid? |
| 16:32.04 | Rantwolf | my battery is empty after 2-3 days (the weekend can be four days) |
| 16:32.36 | Rantwolf | no chance, except you run NITDroid |
| 16:34.14 | evil_core | Android doesnt run on stock kernel, or whats the problem to run dalvik and install dalvik libs side by side? |
| 16:34.33 | ortylp | If you want battery, then forget about N9. With PR1.3 things got way better, but you still need to charge overnight. |
| 16:35.59 | evil_core | I would buy N9 if it would have N8 camera or FM Transmitter or... |
| 16:36.09 | evil_core | navigation needs internet connection? |
| 16:36.48 | ortylp | No, navigation works offline |
| 16:37.06 | evil_core | I was reading i nthe past that N9 got one of the best maps(AutoMapa provided), but not sure about future support |
| 16:37.19 | ortylp | once you download maps to your phone |
| 16:38.25 | evil_core | right, but roads are changing, maybe in Poland not so fast, but very phone I got, I used at least 5 years ;-) |
| 16:38.45 | ortylp | Maps are not perfect (the never are), but good enough. A really fine feature is public transport (only in large cities). |
| 16:40.04 | evil_core | ortylp: I live in big city, but in Poland :P |
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| 16:40.28 | ortylp | Surprise, in Poland last 5 years, every time I drive to my destination I went different way. |
| 16:41.35 | ortylp | I have tested public transport in Prague, was really surprising :) |
| 16:41.39 | evil_core | is 560euro good price for 64GB N9? |
| 16:41.46 | evil_core | I live in Cracow |
| 16:42.19 | ortylp | Wait a minute, I'll take a look, but I think Kraków should be OK |
| 16:42.54 | evil_core | I want to store lot of music(got 900GB on hdd), but it will be upgrade from mine iRiver U10 1GB anyway ;) |
| 16:43.44 | evil_core | so Music, Karaoke, SMS, Calls, WWW, Jabber, Facebook and SSH is all I need |
| 16:44.28 | ortylp | I'll express it this way, buy N9 ONLY if you like to tinker with your device and want to have the freedom to do so. |
| 16:46.00 | evil_core | I love it, I am a distro developer, but it would be not fun to get disconnected frome Facebook or other service, because lack of support |
| 16:46.13 | ortylp | Sorry, no public transport support for Kraków, at least as I see it on my device. |
| 16:47.03 | ortylp | FB comes out of the box, but I do not understand why anyone would want to use it. |
| 16:47.11 | evil_core | we got jakdojade.pl, the biggest problem I got when driving a car |
| 16:47.39 | evil_core | ortylp: because people in Poland use it as IM, planning events, etc |
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| 16:48.16 | ortylp | ok, I see, so GG is dead :) |
| 16:49.08 | evil_core | its not, but uts mostly replaced, I am using EKG2(trough SSH) with GG as jabber transport(facebook too) |
| 16:51.13 | evil_core | but half of replies doesnt go back trough xmpp(as messages) from long time, and its irritating |
| 16:54.06 | evil_core | btw, these 3 days are comparable with current smartphones? |
| 16:54.20 | ortylp | let's see the checklict: |
| 16:54.20 | ortylp | Music: Available |
| 16:54.21 | ortylp | Karaoke: (See Music) |
| 16:54.21 | ortylp | SMS: Available |
| 16:54.21 | ortylp | Calls: Available |
| 16:54.21 | ortylp | WWW: Available (including, builtin Webkit, FF and Opera) |
| 16:54.21 | ortylp | Jabber: Available (I am using it) |
| 16:54.21 | ortylp | Facebook: Available (Out of the box, no idea if it works, never opened it, cannot be uninstalled!) |
| 16:54.22 | ortylp | SSH: Works perfectly (needs developer mode for more sophisticated options) |
| 16:55.20 | ortylp | If you are going to USE N9, then get used to plugging it every night for charging! |
| 16:55.50 | evil_core | right, but does it drain battery quicker that current smartphones? |
| 16:56.06 | evil_core | It will be probably in standby most of the time |
| 16:56.16 | ortylp | it depends what you use it for |
| 16:56.51 | ortylp | standby with GSM or UMTS or Data connection in the background??? it DEPENDS |
| 16:57.17 | evil_core | '3G' whatever it means, w/o data connection(I am using prepaid) |
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| 16:59.22 | ocherno | w/out data connection (email, IM, FB, skype) it will last you more than one day |
| 16:59.33 | ortylp | I have my old SimPlus card, that I bought in previous millennium, I get data connection for 10PLN/month. |
| 17:00.32 | ortylp | without data connection it should work more than one day, but I am not sure if you get two. |
| 17:00.33 | ocherno | as well depends how dense towers in your location |
| 17:00.49 | evil_core | theres no problem in Cracow with it |
| 17:01.00 | ocherno | in rural USA you wil drain more than in urban EU |
| 17:01.05 | evil_core | I didnt't extected answer to be 3 days, etc |
| 17:01.21 | evil_core | but 30% more or less than current android phones |
| 17:02.39 | ortylp | I can confirm, that I get much more time on a single charge when I am in Trójmiasto, then where I live in Germany :( |
| 17:04.23 | evil_core | ortylp: but it still not comparison with other phones :P |
| 17:06.05 | ortylp | In the meantime I got fed up with N9 bugs (and rebooting a few times a day) that much, that I am considering buying Galaxy Note II (my wife has the predecessor) |
| 17:08.08 | ortylp | Well, with other phones you mean, with Nokia 6110 and 6310 I got easily two weeks on a single charge... just get used to carrying backup battery or mobile charger in you backpack |
| 17:08.45 | ortylp | with N900 I had always two fully charged batteries in my pockets. |
| 17:08.57 | evil_core | ortylp: but they aren't android |
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| 17:11.41 | ortylp | I do not have any Android phone to compare it to. Only these 10 year old Nokias, which wont get beaten on battery time any time soon, N900 was really tragic, N9 you can live with it (especially after N900). |
| 17:13.14 | ocherno | ortylp: but you did not run 10s of apps on your 10 y old Nokia either and major touch screen real estate |
| 17:13.21 | evil_core | I was hoping that N9 will gain great hacker's community like previous models(people soldered GDM transceiver into N800), but nobody even tried to solder FM antenna to it |
| 17:13.44 | evil_core | and I don't like touchscreens |
| 17:14.00 | evil_core | but I cannot take mine thinkpad everywhere I got ;-) |
| 17:15.28 | ortylp | Ups... if you want to "work" on N9 via SSH you need to buy some external (bluetooth) keyboard. |
| 17:15.33 | evil_core | mine hardware is also often dropped on floor and dry from rain |
| 17:16.11 | ortylp | the onscreen keyboard takes too much space, I tried to use mutt this way, forget it, no way |
| 17:16.54 | evil_core | I stopped using mutt month ago, after it started hanging (too much in INBOX) |
| 17:19.29 | evil_core | there was some special input method, keyboard with 6 or 8 buttons |
| 17:19.39 | ortylp | my hardware flyes regularily from my hands to the ground (beton/asphalt), N900 survived with a few scratches, N9 has already slightly deformed (to bee seen only if you know where to look), so I'll say, in this category it is almost as robust as old good 6110 |
| 17:19.44 | evil_core | I was wondering about modding N9 to got it |
| 17:20.30 | evil_core | chorded keyboard |
| 17:21.42 | ortylp | s/flyes/flies/ |
| 17:23.40 | evil_core | http://gkos.com/gkos/index-gkos-com.html |
| 17:23.49 | evil_core | I would like to get device like in upper examples |
| 17:24.05 | evil_core | with chorded kbd on back, and houpad+buttons on front |
| 17:25.48 | evil_core | not touchpad*, but joypad* |
| 17:25.59 | evil_core | acting as jostick and trackpoint |
| 17:34.06 | ortylp | If you can wait another half year (and a few months), then check what Jolla has to offer. 540€ is a lot of money, for that price you could get Galaxy Note II at the moment (or almost two predecessors). If you go through your checklist, It would support all your needs and with 5.5" screen you can get some work done over SSH even without external keyboard :) |
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