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| 13:04.13 | ketas | hmm, damn |
| 13:04.32 | ketas | can't get system info without writing python? |
| 13:05.08 | ketas | nevermind that python is horrible language |
| 13:08.30 | ketas | current i'm trying to watch for incoming message |
| 13:09.10 | ketas | nice how google mostly turns up bullshit on this |
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| 13:38.35 | jonni | ketas: what kind of system info are you looking for? |
| 13:39.33 | jonni | ketas: or is running "sysinfoclient -a" from commandline enough? |
| 13:41.34 | ketas | ooh, sysinfoclient -a gives some indeed |
| 13:41.44 | ketas | how about network status? |
| 13:43.23 | ketas | currently i want to create handler for incoming sms |
| 13:43.32 | ketas | and also want to send reply back |
| 13:43.51 | ketas | a lot of results for n900, no wonder :) |
| 13:44.26 | jonni | well there is ofcourse no public api to sems sms reply without user interaction, only thing that you can publicly do is to open sms GUI for the end user, and end user needs to press the send button |
| 13:44.57 | ketas | ffs |
| 13:45.32 | jonni | otherwise malware could easily send sms'es to paid numbers :) |
| 13:46.38 | ketas | however that track & protect seems to use sms for communication? |
| 13:48.31 | jonni | ketas: well you can do it, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qtmobility/messaging.html?tab=1 is the messaging api for reading and sending sms messages. |
| 13:49.08 | jonni | ketas: sending hidden sms messages, is private api, which is only given to nokias partners |
| 13:51.17 | ketas | should it add more "security"? |
| 13:52.15 | jonni | it adds more security, since using that api requires your packages to be nokia signed, so even if you know the api, you cannot released application that uses it. (or you can if you incept your package) |
| 13:53.12 | jonni | ketas: you can source code of example application for sms sending in here http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/examples/api_showcase.html |
| 13:54.45 | ketas | idea was to write own tracker for phone in roaming |
| 13:54.54 | ketas | where i don't exactly want to use data |
| 13:55.27 | jonni | write tracker that only uses wifi :) |
| 13:57.12 | ketas | i wonder if roaming prices fall in future |
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| 14:20.05 | ketas | jonni: where could i find wifi network? |
| 14:20.25 | ketas | jonni: and how to automatically connect to open network if one is found? |
| 14:31.03 | jonni | qt mobility has api's to check connection statuses, and you can setup your application to use background connections, that way it will never prompt end user a network query. |
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| 14:46.05 | ketas | yea, i somewhat found api part that creates background connections |
| 14:48.10 | ketas | all seems insane and too complex, nothing like "normal machine" |
| 15:51.24 | ketas | jonni: well if i reflash device, can i get rid of such restrictions? |
| 16:22.50 | juhaj | Is kmplayer or mplayer useful on N9? |
| 16:32.21 | juhaj | Are these of concenrn? "Aegis warning: Duplicate hash entries for ..." |
| 16:33.01 | juhaj | I get about a thousand of those from python-crypto (which comes from downloads.maemo.nokia.com, so I would expect them to be ok, not spewing warnings like that) |
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| 17:34.56 | ketas | jonni: actually, i don't like the way telephone system works at all |
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| 17:36.35 | ketas | whole idea of special rate numbers are wrong |
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| 19:34.25 | jonni | juhaj: usually those warnings comes if you have added some untrusted repository, like apps4meego, rzr or harmattan-dev |
| 19:34.47 | juhaj | Even though the package which causes them comes from Nokia? |
| 19:35.37 | jonni | juhaj: because harmattan-dev.nokia.com also has python-crypto package, and harmattan-dev is meant only for scratchbox environment, as should never be used in device |
| 19:35.50 | jonni | harmattan dev is not signed repository |
| 19:36.34 | jonni | so basicly there are signed and unsigned package with same name, and that causes problems and sometimes even bricks |
| 19:39.52 | jonni | (and if someone really wants to live dangerously atleast he should edit the repo priorities so that nokia signed packages would be prefered if same package exists on multiple repos. see apt pin-priority etc) |
| 19:51.46 | juhaj | harmattan-dev does not have python-crypto according to my apt-cache and in any case, the first and only install of python-crypto is from https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com, not harmattan-dev, and that caused the warnings |
| 19:52.01 | juhaj | In short: your explanation does not match the observed reality =) |
| 20:00.01 | jonni | juhaj: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/p/python-crypto/ |
| 20:00.43 | jonni | maybe I'm just imaging things :) |
| 20:00.45 | juhaj | Well, deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free does not seem to catch it. Is it missing from the packages list or something? |
| 20:01.11 | juhaj | That is, presence of a file in a repo does not guarantee apt sees it: it must be present in the packages list file |
| 20:04.29 | juhaj | Sorry, wait a minute... |
| 20:04.45 | jonni | well anyways, harmattan-dev should not be used in device, and if you do use, then you better know how to resolve possible aegis problems. And ofcourse if you have all capa opensh installed, you can fake any unsigned package to be com.nokia.maemo signed. |
| 20:04.50 | juhaj | I do not even have the packages list file for harmattan-dev and apt-get update does not even try to fetch it! |
| 20:04.53 | juhaj | What is going on? |
| 20:08.02 | jonni | ofcourse you can just do: grep python-crypto /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist; and see that after S15 it says com.nokia.maemo on every line, then you dont have anything to worry about as then all the files are nokia signed. and if not then your in trouble. |
| 20:08.17 | juhaj | Ah, PEBCAK is going on! I have /etc/apt/sources.list.d/harmattan-dev with the above source line in it. No wonder apt disregards the whole thing. |
| 20:08.42 | juhaj | Thus I do not even have harmattan-dev as a source, so why the complaints? |
| 20:09.35 | jonni | well if you have installed something before you removed the source line? But then you can just look refhashlist and see if its nokia signed or unknown origin |
| 20:09.53 | juhaj | After S15? You mean the string in the third column? |
| 20:10.08 | jonni | S 15 com.nokia.maemo H 40 0163b7eb3212db44dd87318fa70c6cbc5f947189 A 0 0 33188 P 13 python-crypto R 61 usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Crypto/PublicKey/_fastmath.so |
| 20:10.13 | jonni | and so on..... |
| 20:10.30 | juhaj | Yes, all lines with python-crypto on then start with S 15 com.nokia.maemo |
| 20:11.23 | jonni | then you dont have anything to worry about |
| 20:11.31 | juhaj | I probably have installed something from harmattan-dev, as why would I have created the source-list otherwise, but then the original question simply comes back: why the complaint from a nokia signed package? |
| 20:12.50 | jonni | complain can also come in following scenario: package_foo has file /etc/foo, and when its installed the signature has in stored in refhashlist, and if in some case there is package_bar which has /etc/foo file, then aegis will complain that refhashlist already has hash for the file /etc/foo |
| 20:13.28 | jonni | but then its just a badly created package who is in fault |
| 20:14.46 | jonni | if both packages are signed with same trust level, then package_bar will overwrite&replace package_foo's etc/foo-file, and if package_bar is not signed with same trust level. then aegis will reject the install. |
| 20:21.32 | juhaj | If I got that right, it implies I have had python-crypto from an unsigned source installed at some point. Quite possible. |
| 20:23.00 | jonni | ah yes, if you had python-crypto installed from harmattan-dev earlier, then it was regarded as unsigned package, and if you now installed nokia package over it, then it could have given the warnings. |
| 20:23.45 | jonni | as nokia packages can always overwrite unsigned packages, aegis will just give some warnings when it happens. |
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| 20:33.46 | juhaj | Well, I certainly did not have it installed any more, but I may have had it before someone (you?) warned me about the harmattan-dev dangers for the first time |
| 20:46.14 | ketas | i wonder mobile device security goes into wrong way often |
| 20:46.23 | ketas | s/wonder/wonder why/ |
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| 20:55.11 | jonni | ketas: yes android malwares is way wrong :) |
| 21:27.26 | ketas | jonni: is it even possible to avoid malwares that are properly signed? |
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