IRC log for #n9 on 20120905

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02:29.55ghjgfjghjbn2cry cry
02:30.02ghjgfjghjbn2wish dreams came true
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02:31.13ghjgfjghjbn2that rm742 looks better than n950
02:32.11ghjgfjghjbn2i wonder how much that functional proto will go for on secret ebay lol
02:32.21ghjgfjghjbn2the n950's were already premo
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05:59.01Shurahttp://lpapp.blogspot.fr/2012/09/qtquick-2-is-coming-to-harmattan.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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09:09.33ToAruShiroiNekois it normal for my phone to be 7 minutes behind?
09:09.48ToAruShiroiNekoit should be automatically updating time
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09:17.55phako2 minutes used to be normal
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09:28.42Jonne_ToAruShiroiNeko, i think it gets its time from cell towers, and in some countries that time can drift sometimes
09:28.52Jonne_had this issue with my n900 in Haiti
09:38.08Oni^how to change users shell to bash in N9 does export SHELL=/bin/bash do it?
09:38.48mgedminI think you have to use chsh
09:39.09mgedminpersonally I'm too afraid to break something to try changing my shell
09:42.58Oni^and how to make things permanent now I have to every time when I start terminal exec 'export PATH=$PATH:/opt/irssi/bin:/usr/games:.'
10:12.57sledgesgood late morning!
10:23.49ToAruShiroiNekoJonne_ I wonder about that
10:23.57ToAruShiroiNekoI travel between belgium and netherlands
10:24.01ToAruShiroiNekoand my times never improve
10:24.07Jonne_well, never had it in Belgium
10:24.19Jonne_clocks are correct for me
10:24.20ToAruShiroiNekoI go through probably over 30-40 base stations
10:24.32ToAruShiroiNekoI wonder if it is updating at all
10:24.45Jonne_what provider are you using?
10:24.58ToAruShiroiNekoMobistar
10:25.13ToAruShiroiNekoautomatic updates are marked as on
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10:25.29ToAruShiroiNekomy phone reads 21:31
10:25.32Jonne_i'm on mobile vikings, so that's a different network. But I doubt Mobistar would let their clocks drift
10:25.40ToAruShiroiNekomy computer reads 12:25
10:25.44ToAruShiroiNekoerr I mean 12:31
10:25.46Jonne_min too
10:25.53Jonne_*mine
10:26.06ToAruShiroiNeko31-25 = 6
10:26.11ToAruShiroiNeko6 minute difference
10:26.53ToAruShiroiNekonot considering the seconds so its probably 6 minutes or worse
10:27.02sledgeswill be travelling from la manche to germany border whole across belgium this friday :)
10:27.11Jonne_not sure what it could be, tbh
10:27.41ToAruShiroiNekohow can I check the time of the base station?
10:27.49Jonne_no clue
10:28.45Jonne_well, at least now you'll be 5 minutes earlier for meetings and such ;-)
10:28.55Jonne_used that trick when i still had a watch
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10:29.04Jonne_intentionally set it to the wrong time
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10:30.32ToAruShiroiNekojonne sure or I am always early everywhere I go :/
10:30.38ToAruShiroiNekowake up earlier than I intended etc
10:31.13Jonne_maybe check the system log to see if you find anything?
10:31.22ToAruShiroiNekowhere would I check that
10:31.58Jonne_in your terminal, become root, go to the /var/log/ folder
10:32.06Jonne_and look at the logs in that folder
10:32.21Jonne_it's relatively complicated if you're not familiar with linux
10:32.54ToAruShiroiNekonot at all if you use windows :)
10:34.00ToAruShiroiNekoor if you use the right appls
10:34.34ToAruShiroiNekolots of log files
10:34.41ToAruShiroiNekois there any single one I should look at?
10:35.14ToAruShiroiNekosyslog I presume?
10:35.34Jonne_open terminal, type tail -f /var/log/syslog
10:35.43Jonne_keep an eye on it
10:35.53Jonne_tail will constantly update to show the latest
10:36.25Jonne_or download the file and look through it with a text editor
10:38.10ToAruShiroiNekoalright
10:38.15ToAruShiroiNekoso my phone cannot use wlan either
10:38.52ToAruShiroiNekoit cannot find my laptops virtual vlan in the same room
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11:44.58ToAruShiroiNekoJonne_ ok that had taken a while but I am able to connect to my phone finally
11:45.33Jonne_did the time sync?
11:45.42ToAruShiroiNekonow if only I can make the phone stay connected for more than 30 seconds without changing an IP...
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12:18.36ToAruShiroiNekoJonne_ perhaps you can help me
12:19.02ToAruShiroiNekoI want to configure my phone to have a static IP since I cannot use it reliably when it is chaing it once a minute
12:19.36Jonne_can't you set up your DHCP server so it hands out infinite/long leases?
12:20.03Jonne_static ip on a mobile device is a bad idea unless you plan on only using one network
12:20.19ToAruShiroiNekohere is what I am doing
12:20.39ToAruShiroiNekoI am using my wireless card on my dektop to act as a wireless network
12:20.57ToAruShiroiNekoI am using virtual router manager v0.9 beta
12:21.05Jonne_hmm, actually, you can without much hassle
12:21.09Jonne_go to settings
12:21.25Jonne_internet connection
12:21.32Jonne_edit networks
12:21.39Jonne_pick the SSID you're connecting to
12:21.57Jonne_advanced settings
12:22.04ToAruShiroiNekothe issue then is determining subnet mask and default gateway
12:22.08Jonne_uncheck auto-retrieve ip address
12:22.52Jonne_umm, are you doing ad-hoc networking, or what?
12:23.18ToAruShiroiNekoI am using my desktop to host my wireless connection
12:23.23ToAruShiroiNekoit is ad-hocy for sure
12:23.45ToAruShiroiNekophone cannot access internet anymore :/
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12:26.57Jonne_sorry, unexpected reboot
12:27.39ToAruShiroiNekothats ok
12:27.53ToAruShiroiNekoI am still recieveing one ip per minute
12:28.43Jonne_if you change it to static, aren't the fields pre-filled with correct data (ie your last DHCP address)?
12:29.50ToAruShiroiNekowas finally able to type tail -f /var/log/syslog
12:30.09ToAruShiroiNekono the prefilled value is 0 accross the board
12:30.16ToAruShiroiNekomy subnet is not 0.0.0.0
12:30.36ToAruShiroiNekowhat is transfermanager ?
12:30.50ToAruShiroiNekoeach second I get that error multiple times
12:30.57ToAruShiroiNekoor not sure if this is an error
12:31.18Jonne_shouldn't happen
12:31.30Jonne_unless you're transferring stuff :p
12:31.34ToAruShiroiNekoI am not
12:31.47ToAruShiroiNekophone is connected to pc through bluetooth though
12:32.23Jonne_that might be it
12:32.37ToAruShiroiNekobluetooth disabled usb connection removed
12:32.40ToAruShiroiNekostill same problem
12:32.59ToAruShiroiNekoshut of any and all applicaitons too
12:33.00Jonne_could you type the gist of your error in here (or google)?
12:33.41ToAruShiroiNekosure
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12:33.51ToAruShiroiNekoI put the phone on flight mode so as to not get any other log
12:34.49ToAruShiroiNekotimestamp (year): Msgindexer[1401]: [Debug] Transfer: Transfermanager: account is not in the map
12:35.14ToAruShiroiNekooh
12:35.18ToAruShiroiNekoit seems the error is two lines
12:35.53Jonne_'not in the map' sound like a literal translation from dutch :p
12:37.04ToAruShiroiNekotimestamp (year): Msgindexer[1401]: [Debug] Transfer: Transfermanager: progress for account 14 is set to <incrementing number> from 1000
12:37.12ToAruShiroiNekoI dont know dutch :p
12:37.22Jonne_http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1234223 found this in google
12:37.30Jonne_seems related to mail from exchange
12:37.33ToAruShiroiNekothis error is repeating once a second
12:37.39Jonne_are you using that?
12:37.43ToAruShiroiNekoyes
12:37.49ToAruShiroiNekonot every second though
12:38.09Jonne_maybe it's trying to download a shitload of e-mails
12:38.19ToAruShiroiNekoit doesnt handle emails
12:38.26ToAruShiroiNekojust contacts and global address list
12:38.34ToAruShiroiNekoI have no way to save my contact info otherwise
12:38.36Jonne_shitload of contacts?
12:38.45ToAruShiroiNekoI doubt that I dont know a lot of people
12:39.02ToAruShiroiNekoif nokia wasnt a buch of douchebags I could have handled this through ovi suite
12:39.10ToAruShiroiNeko*bunch
12:39.21ToAruShiroiNekothere is no reason why we dont have ovi support
12:39.34ToAruShiroiNekomumbles
12:39.58ToAruShiroiNekodisabled mail exchange
12:40.02ToAruShiroiNekosame error contines
12:40.43Jonne_try rebooting maybe?
12:40.50Jonne_maybe something's stuck in a loop
12:41.11ToAruShiroiNekoI have been rebooting my phone far too often lately
12:41.25ToAruShiroiNeko:(
12:41.29ToAruShiroiNekogave reboot command
12:41.40Jonne_can't think of anything more, atm
12:41.59ToAruShiroiNekothis is too many problems for one person
12:42.20ToAruShiroiNekofirst its pc using too much ram, then graphics card, then mouse then virtual routher
12:42.29ToAruShiroiNekonot counting the phone itself
12:42.36ToAruShiroiNekoah murphy
12:42.41ToAruShiroiNekonever is wrong
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12:45.37ToAruShiroiNekoyeah that resolved the previous problem
12:45.40ToAruShiroiNekoprogress!
12:46.01ToAruShiroiNekoI bet that was the AP feed
12:47.21ToAruShiroiNekojonne how can I read my current subnet mask etc?
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13:01.59Jonne_umm, ifconfig or something?
13:02.49Jonne_if you have dev mode installed you can see it in the sdk connection app
13:04.48Jonne_on harmattan it's /sbin/ifconfig
13:04.55Jonne_apparently sbin isn't in $PATH
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16:49.14jonnecrap, now both firefox and home screen settings won't upgrade
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17:21.35valdur55i have problems with home screen
17:21.43valdur55home screen upgrade
17:24.42valdur55I use now apt-get upgrade and got: 0% [1 meegotouchhome-nokia-settings 0B]Fatal error: Server sent invalid DownloadUrl
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17:49.51jonnivaldur55: you should not run apt-get upgrade from commandline, its a design constraint in ovi apps, that it will fail on most of the cases. You should update from ui.
17:50.51valdur55jonni, ok, bat what cases i need use apt-get ?
17:50.54valdur55but*
17:51.10jonnivaldur55: well as end user, you never use apt-get
17:51.42jonnivaldur55: developers use apt-get to install&update non-ovi packages to system.
17:52.30valdur55jonni,  :)  I don't wan't to be end user :P
17:53.54valdur55So that's why i risk with apt-get :D
17:54.40jonnibut you are kinda forced to be :) as apt-get is not able to fetch ovi packages. for ovi packages you need to do a bit of perl scripting with wget in order to magicly update ovi caches :)
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17:55.18jonniand no, currently I'm not sharing my script :)
17:55.41Ariejonni: what is the script of?
17:56.17jonniheh, the usuall, fetching deb packages from ovi store :)
17:56.29Arieoh, even paid ones?
17:56.58itsnotabigtruckjonni: but apt-get IS able to fetch ovi packages
17:57.05itsnotabigtruckthat's how the automatic ovi package upgrade works...
17:57.52valdur55sources have /usr/bin/osa line
17:57.55jonniitsnotabigtruck: yes it is able, if it has the needed data updated on the cache, but by default the cache only holds a part of the apps that you have installed
17:59.10valdur55oh.  i know why i can't upgrade my homescreen settings package.
17:59.37valdur55I didn't install it from store client and thats it.
18:06.48Arie<PROTECTED>
18:15.59jonnewait, home screen settings is paid?
18:16.05jonnepretty sure it used to be free
18:16.12jonneis this why i can't upgrade?
18:16.54Arieyup
18:17.35jonneah, ok
18:18.49valdur55OSA knows package name and server don't answer correct url :P
18:19.14valdur55but. mozilla firefox
18:19.30jonnefirefox upgraded for me after another try
18:19.38jonneso that's just ovi store being shitty
18:19.46Arieyup
18:19.52Ariei dont like ovi store
18:19.54Arietoo funicky
18:19.58Ariefinicky*
18:20.07jonneyep, it's terrible
18:20.18jonnei'm used to stuff just working with ubuntu
18:20.29jonneso to see a package manager fail like that sucks
18:22.41valdur55and why i wan't upgrade local installed app
18:23.13valdur55It's because oirigin.
18:28.13Ariestupid
18:28.18Ariestupid ovi store
18:28.50valdur55stupid closed source stack :)
18:29.34Ariethat too
18:29.39Ariestupid nokia for going wp
18:29.49Arieand trying to show us crappy lumias today
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18:31.36valdur55Some companies is going wrong way'
18:31.57valdur55ouch. are going :P
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18:55.48valdur55How can i open private web session?
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20:27.15itsnotabigtruckvaldur55: in this case it's not really about 'closed source stack'
20:27.35itsnotabigtruckit's about people trying to cash in on trivialities and the ovi store facilitating it
20:27.55itsnotabigtruckthis is just one in a long line of simple utility apps with price tags suddenly slapped on

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