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| 07:09.32 | *** topic/#n9 is N9 users meet here to chat about typical users' topics like case colors, best offers, hippest apps, screen protectors, etc. Basically all the things that are not development related. Developers will want to join #harmattan. This channel is logged, see ~logs |
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| 08:48.51 | marsje | I think it's since PR1.3 that is N9 is soooooooo slow |
| 08:49.20 | marsje | especially starting the twitter app, facebook app, mail or browser |
| 08:49.38 | marsje | often it says "xxxxx is not responding" |
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| 09:02.34 | sledges | good morning! :) |
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| 09:23.25 | Rantwolf | yes it's slow, but only when you upgrad ota |
| 09:24.08 | sledges | aha, time to flash from zero :) |
| 09:24.09 | Rantwolf | if you make a fresh install with the harmattan flasher, it runs |
| 09:24.14 | phako | yes, the OTA update is seriously broken in some parts |
| 09:24.19 | phako | sometimes |
| 09:24.25 | sledges | just like any other OTA (think Ubuntu) |
| 09:24.41 | phako | sledges: hm, my ubuntu runns happily since 10.04 |
| 09:24.44 | sledges | at least psychologically you get this notion of loads of leftovers stopping your system (a placebo :)) |
| 09:25.18 | phako | and I've no idea since which version my debian server is upgraded |
| 09:25.26 | sledges | phako, shrink your partition, install fresh, and do a benchmark |
| 09:25.34 | sledges | just for a laugh :) |
| 09:25.38 | Rantwolf | lol |
| 09:25.47 | sledges | wonders what benchmark would be the best for such a test, probably multiples |
| 09:26.04 | phako | sledges: the full hd encryption will eat up everything else anyway |
| 09:26.33 | sledges | ouch, gotya |
| 09:29.14 | marsje | Rantwolf: it makes a difference upgrading over the air and with the flasher? why? |
| 09:29.28 | Rantwolf | i don't know |
| 09:29.55 | Rantwolf | but i upgrades my white n9 OTA |
| 09:29.58 | Rantwolf | and it was slow |
| 09:30.11 | Rantwolf | so i made freh new install |
| 09:30.15 | Rantwolf | fresh |
| 09:30.23 | Rantwolf | and now it runs |
| 09:36.02 | marsje | hmmmm |
| 09:36.31 | marsje | I was so happy I could do it OTA |
| 09:36.33 | marsje | :) |
| 09:36.45 | Rantwolf | ^^ |
| 09:37.00 | marsje | I will have to reinstall all my apps, right? |
| 09:37.07 | Rantwolf | yes |
| 09:38.01 | Rantwolf | i made a backup with nokia link and it is easy |
| 09:38.18 | Rantwolf | backup and restore |
| 09:40.48 | phako | marsje: if you play angry birds, the scores are saved on the system partition for whatever reason |
| 09:41.31 | marsje | phako: haha... I don't really care about Angry Birds or any other angry animals |
| 09:41.59 | marsje | Rantwolf: I guess Nokia Link does not work so well on linux... :) |
| 09:42.37 | Rantwolf | yes thats very sad, but i'm using mac |
| 09:50.59 | marsje | it works on the mac? |
| 09:55.17 | Rantwolf | yes |
| 09:55.39 | Rantwolf | simple application |
| 09:58.23 | marsje | does it also back up apps? |
| 09:58.40 | Rantwolf | no |
| 09:59.01 | Rantwolf | only settings, addressbook, messaging |
| 09:59.13 | marsje | oh, that sucks |
| 10:00.25 | Rantwolf | i don't have so much applications installed on the n9, just about 30 |
| 10:00.47 | phako | Rantwolf: hm, it does back-up a list of apps I think |
| 10:01.19 | marsje | on my debian server I can get a list of installed applications and later use it to automatically install it again |
| 10:01.21 | Rantwolf | this doesn't take so much time to install your applications through the store |
| 10:01.31 | marsje | I'm sure it must be possible to do something like that with the n9 as well |
| 10:01.45 | marsje | well, the store is slow too |
| 10:02.10 | marsje | I installed many apps (ok, 80% I never use) |
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| 11:18.17 | suy | Which application should be used for that fresh install of PR1.3 you were mentioning? This one? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79882 |
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| 11:41.33 | sledges | suy, yes |
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| 14:14.31 | Kozzi | anyone here edited language file before ? |
| 14:15.04 | Kozzi | I'm trying to edit a .ts file and want to know what all must be edited |
| 14:18.38 | suy | Kozzi: the TS files that are created by/for Qt, can be edited easily with the Qt Linguist |
| 14:21.15 | Kozzi | oh damn, I have been using notepad++ :( |
| 14:22.11 | suy | Kozzi: well, it can be edited with any text editor, and changing just the text between <translation> |
| 14:22.25 | suy | but Linguist is way easier, and has other features |
| 14:22.41 | suy | There is also Lokalize, that in recent versions opens TS files |
| 14:27.38 | Kozzi | yes, thank you |
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| 15:53.24 | juhaj | How does the "allow background connections: [ ]" work? I was bitten today by an extra 8 MB of downloads and an almost empty battery even though I had the phone in my pocket, idling, and background connections forbidden. Why did it still keep the 3G connection open? I could see it in use (the blue 3G symbol) when I took it from the pocket. |
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| 16:25.11 | Brownout | juhaj: move your 3g connection into manual networks |
| 16:29.03 | juhaj | Brownout: It is there |
| 16:30.03 | juhaj | But I *did* start the network, I just forgot to turn it off. But I thought disallowing background connections should do precisely that: disallow use of connecions unless the program using it is not in the background. |
| 16:30.14 | juhaj | If that is not the case, then what does it do? Nothing? |
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| 17:12.31 | jonni | juhaj: background connection means that it doesnt ask you for confirmation whenever it wants to use the network. If you disallow the background connections, your phone still uses the network on the applications that are running. ie you have allowed then to use the network. It has nothing to do with the matter of application beeing in foreground or background. |
| 17:14.38 | juhaj | Why the word "background" then? Reading the manual gives precisely the impression that programs in the background (it gives an example of periodic mail checking) will then not access network but only foreground programs (manual's example is "clicking a link") does |
| 17:14.55 | juhaj | I.e. if what you say is correct, then what the manual says is not. |
| 17:16.02 | jonni | it just means that applications can initialize network connection in background _whitout_ bothering the end user. And when you have not allowed it, then there is connect to network query when connection count changes from 0 to 1. |
| 17:16.05 | juhaj | But actually I just realised that what happened probably was neither of these: since I already had the connection open, it was probably kept open just because it was open. Nowhere in the manual does it claim that disallowing background connections would *disconnect* the network (if it is already connected, that is) |
| 17:16.12 | jonni | without even |
| 17:17.11 | jonni | yes if connection count is > 0 then connections will be kept open without asking also. |
| 17:17.17 | juhaj | It is quite impossible to understand the manual in the way you describe, but your explanation matches observed behaviour, while the manual's does not... |
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