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| 13:07.40 | Jonne_ | http://openmobileww.com/blog/2012/06/01/acl-for-meego-update/ -> anyone know if this is going to become a reality? |
| 13:08.13 | Jonne_ | not sure if there are android apps i actually need, but it still seems great to have that option |
| 13:26.09 | Kozzi | time will tell |
| 13:33.01 | jonni | even if it happens for MeeGo, that doesnt mean that it will happen for Harmattan |
| 13:44.47 | Jonne_ | is there anything else that runs MeeGo? I thought there was only Tizen now. |
| 13:47.25 | Jonne_ | i guess there's the WeTab |
| 13:47.39 | Jonne_ | and maybe some in-vehicle infotainment stuff |
| 13:57.57 | sledges | interesting http://openmobileww.com/blog/2012/06/01/acl-for-meego-update/#comment-16 |
| 13:58.16 | sledges | and then again http://openmobileww.com/blog/2012/06/01/acl-for-meego-update/#comment-23 :) |
| 13:59.28 | sledges | PS: today after reboot lock screen does not display the clock anymore :) |
| 14:00.00 | Jonne_ | not sure why they'd bother drumming up buzz for an EOL phone/OS |
| 14:00.11 | Jonne_ | so don't really get the trolling comment |
| 14:00.27 | sledges | hmm, had to re-switch (i.e. twice) in options "stand-by screen" to get it back. I bet all thanks to a weirdy but handy ProfileMatic |
| 14:00.53 | Jonne_ | but they should at least try and release an alpha version, they've been working on this for years without releasing anything |
| 14:01.21 | Kozzi | then it wouldn't be fun anymore |
| 14:01.26 | Kozzi | like Shazam did |
| 14:01.29 | Jonne_ | profilematic doesn't remember its state across reboots, which is annoying sometimes |
| 14:01.32 | sledges | doesn't look it would be free, as listed under "Products", even though they claim to be OpenMobile |
| 14:01.41 | Kozzi | developed an app for meego but never release |
| 14:01.43 | sledges | or some smart licensing probably will bring them profit |
| 14:01.48 | Jonne_ | i have it set to be silent when i'm at work (using cell towers) |
| 14:02.02 | Jonne_ | and if i reboot it when i'm at work, it'll stay silent even when i leave work |
| 14:02.44 | Jonne_ | if they did the work, they could sell it in the OVI store for 5 or so to recoup some of the cost |
| 14:02.58 | sledges | Jonne_, ProfileMatic seems to have forgotten what to do this morning, even though I never rebooted it since days. Had to relaunch the app to ge it right. The last reboot actually did not screw PM's last state, but added a bugger - lost clock on standby screen :) |
| 14:03.14 | Jonne_ | maybe the daemon crashed or something |
| 14:03.21 | Kozzi | you could try deactivate and activate again |
| 14:03.37 | sledges | they could have just made it all as a cron(d) job :) |
| 14:03.48 | Kozzi | this worked for me when I changed timeout time but it didn't register |
| 14:03.50 | sledges | (that's what I thought it was on the first place) |
| 14:05.09 | sledges | but by the sounds of it, ProfileMatic is one of its kind in the Android-vs-MeeGo world, beat this android! My fiancee could not find a decent PM doing-everything equivalent for Android thus far |
| 14:10.33 | Kozzi | yeah, I haven't used profilematic before till yesterday |
| 14:10.59 | Kozzi | the cell id feature is nice |
| 14:11.27 | Kozzi | I still don't understand how the default preset work |
| 14:11.39 | Kozzi | is always on even though other preset is activated |
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| 14:15.00 | sledges | is not on |
| 14:15.16 | sledges | is just indicated as "fits" |
| 14:15.51 | sledges | but only the first highlighted from the top means actually "on" |
| 14:16.42 | sledges | Kozzi, ^ |
| 14:16.58 | Kozzi | oh |
| 14:20.50 | Jonne_ | i think android and iOS don't allow you to run daemons, so there's a whole class of apps that are impossible to do without jailbreaking |
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| 14:21.12 | Jonne_ | although i might be wrong about this |
| 14:22.23 | sledges | you can run Android Services |
| 14:22.39 | sledges | but might not be able to have API on cell IDs... |
| 14:23.04 | sledges | but for the last bit I might be wrong :)) |
| 14:23.37 | sledges | PM equivs do work on android as a daemon |
| 14:23.54 | Jonne_ | http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Service.html -> i guess there's this |
| 14:24.00 | sledges | they are just useless compared to what actions our PM can do |
| 14:26.01 | Jonne_ | what rules do you have in pm, btw? I feel like i'm not using its full potential |
| 14:26.26 | Jonne_ | now i have it set to silent at work and power saving at night |
| 14:28.45 | sledges | same here |
| 14:28.54 | sledges | plus I turn on Skype on the evenings |
| 14:29.15 | Jonne_ | i have all IM stuff on all the time |
| 14:29.40 | sledges | so we come from different backgrounds :) |
| 14:29.46 | Jonne_ | i guess i could turn it off at work, as i shouldn't be im'ing anyway, and saves battery |
| 14:29.49 | sledges | but android cannot do power saving mode without root |
| 14:29.55 | sledges | that's it |
| 14:30.15 | sledges | and talk accounts on android are not exposed through a unified API either |
| 14:30.21 | sledges | MeeGo rock(ed....) |
| 14:30.30 | Jonne_ | still rocks |
| 14:30.57 | Jonne_ | wonder if cssu will breathe new life in it, like what happened with the n900 |
| 14:32.41 | Jonne_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1219605#post1219605 -> this seems like a cool use of NFC |
| 14:32.55 | sledges | any developments cssu->n9 ? |
| 14:33.01 | Jonne_ | not that i know of |
| 14:34.10 | Jonne_ | hmm, could put a NFC tag next to my bed that just puts it into sleep mode, instead of using timers |
| 14:35.08 | sledges | so those tags you need to buy? and the guy has one next to an egg?? :)) |
| 14:35.17 | Jonne_ | i think so |
| 14:35.32 | sakkemo | http://www.mdfly.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16&products_id=161 these work |
| 14:35.57 | Jonne_ | $1.49 is pretty cheap |
| 14:36.15 | sakkemo | Jonne_: I ordered a few for other project |
| 14:36.22 | sakkemo | + the $20 reader that's there |
| 14:36.46 | sakkemo | reader/writer actually, those can contain 4 KB of data actually :P |
| 14:36.51 | Jonne_ | do they come with a GUID on them or something, or do you need to write stuff to it? |
| 14:37.01 | sakkemo | the one's that only contain tag are even cheaper |
| 14:37.22 | sakkemo | Jonne_: some of the more expensive readers/writers come with programs |
| 14:37.28 | sakkemo | even GUI ones |
| 14:37.41 | Jonne_ | I mean GUID, not HUI |
| 14:37.44 | Jonne_ | *GUI |
| 14:37.58 | sledges | can't find NFC conditions on my ProfileMatic.. |
| 14:38.05 | Jonne_ | basically a unique code just for that tag |
| 14:38.18 | Jonne_ | i think it's in a beta version, sledges |
| 14:38.26 | sakkemo | Jonne_: ah, I see, sorry :) |
| 14:38.30 | sledges | ok, nice to know the guys keep working |
| 14:38.35 | sakkemo | yeah they contain unique code |
| 14:38.45 | Jonne_ | cool |
| 14:38.49 | Jonne_ | something to keep in mind |
| 14:39.31 | Jonne_ | might use an NFC tag to turn on/off the music on my computer when i get home |
| 14:40.07 | sakkemo | it always blurts out the unique ID when it get's close to the reader (that sends the right bytes) |
| 14:41.06 | sledges | nice, so the future of home interaction looks nigh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38 :) |
| 14:42.20 | sakkemo | of course you could make it work the other way round, when you place your phone somewhere it turns off/on the lights using a reader and Raspberry Pi/Arduino :) |
| 14:42.49 | sledges | the lights, or the whole music/media centre ;) |
| 14:44.05 | Jonne_ | well, music is handled by banshee on my main computer, so i just need the n9 to wget a script on my home server, which sends the correct command to the computer running banshee |
| 14:44.24 | Jonne_ | should be just an evening's work |
| 14:45.21 | sledges | my 2p: you'd need a (n imaginary) wpost command for that |
| 14:45.54 | Jonne_ | wget can do POSTs, I think |
| 14:46.07 | Jonne_ | doesn't really matter if the url is secret |
| 14:46.11 | sakkemo | Jonne_: oh yeah, that's smart :P |
| 14:46.48 | sledges | correct! |
| 14:50.07 | Jonne_ | never really figured out how to send dbus commands to other computers |
| 14:50.27 | Jonne_ | i did once write a script that skipped songs on a colleague's iTunes |
| 14:51.03 | sledges | dbus a big beast, many of my co-workers used to suffer in its implementation peculiarities |
| 14:51.09 | Jonne_ | he still doesn't know i did that, and thought it was just iTunes being shitty :p |
| 14:51.15 | sledges | I'd stay away if other solutions seem viable |
| 14:51.54 | Jonne_ | is there an alternative to send commands to media players? (that works on ubuntu) |
| 14:54.39 | sledges | might as well not be :P |
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| 14:57.14 | sakkemo | Jonne_: mpd? |
| 14:58.21 | sakkemo | Music Player Daemon (MPD) is a music player server. says Wikipedia |
| 14:58.29 | sakkemo | then you can use several frontends |
| 14:58.44 | Jonne_ | i want to keep using banshee (or amarok, or whatever player i happen to like at that instant) |
| 14:58.57 | Jonne_ | i should look into how the soundmenu thing works |
| 15:06.07 | Jonne_ | also wondering what the lag would be between sending a request from the phone over the internet that has to travel over 2 computers |
| 15:09.03 | sledges | well you don't expect a real-time instant music playing just when you put your phone on the desk |
| 15:09.46 | sledges | another bit would be to actually silent/pause music, when you grab your phone again (e.g. answering a phone call, or leaving the house - in the latter case the music centre would should down after a time out) |
| 15:10.49 | Jonne_ | i fear this might be going too far in automatisation. Woul dbe cool, though :p |
| 15:12.02 | Jonne_ | in fact, combine that with the touchstone stuff i saw earlier i could just dump my phone on one spot, and have it let my computers know i'm home and do all sorts of sweet stuff, while charging |
| 15:12.51 | sakkemo | when I buy my own house or apartment I'll definitely spend the first few years doing house automation :) |
| 15:13.26 | Jonne_ | seriously considered getting the palm pre just for the inductive charger. Why the hell did nobody else license this? |
| 15:13.54 | Jonne_ | plugging in an usb cable every day is stupid |
| 15:15.51 | sakkemo | http://powerkiss.com/ |
| 15:17.54 | sledges | still needs plugging :))) |
| 15:19.03 | sakkemo | yeah it does, and given that phones are getting are getting slimmer all the time I doubt we'll see integrated coils in phones anytime soon |
| 15:19.40 | sledges | apparently palm pre alraedy has |
| 15:20.02 | sakkemo | "The Touchstone Charger requires compatible back cover, which also is sold separately for the Pre, [28] while the Pre Plus comes with the touchstone-compatible back cover included." |
| 15:20.30 | sledges | yea, might just fit 'em in a jacket :) |
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