| 00:18.25 | itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: casualties? |
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| 06:26.56 | sakkemo | itsnotabigtruck: I think he's referring to people with (unsolved) problems with the phone |
| 06:28.53 | itsnotabigtruck | ah |
| 06:28.57 | itsnotabigtruck | well, i need to sleep so night! |
| 06:31.15 | sakkemo | night |
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| 08:00.15 | khertan | Jonne: you said your n9 drop connexion, does it recover it after a drop or does it s require reboot ? which operator did you use ? |
| 08:00.31 | juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: Well, a certain mobile manufacturer seems to have laid off 10k people and I thought if there were any casualties here |
| 08:00.32 | Jonne | it recovers |
| 08:01.27 | Jonne | using mobile vikings (KPN-network in Belgium) |
| 08:01.54 | Jonne | it's probably the network |
| 08:15.34 | Jonne | i'm sort of far from everything out here |
| 08:15.42 | Jonne | less than a km from the French border |
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| 09:18.26 | sledges | juhaj, 10k by end of 2013 |
| 09:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonni: you're still "alive"? |
| 09:56.05 | juhaj | sledges: Yes, I was being imprecise there. |
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| 11:23.22 | sejo | hello all do you guys know a nagios client on n9? |
| 11:24.09 | sejo | currently I'm on an android and which to switch to a n9, but I need a working (and good) nagios client, or a way to install android app on n9 (don't think the latter is possible) |
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| 12:14.48 | Jonne | does anyone know if the dropping of the whole Linux division changes anything regarding PR 1.3? is that still coming? |
| 12:15.22 | sledges | disappointed with N9 "Drive" app, cannot find fastest routes at all, takes me around-a-ways... downloading CloudGPS, we'll see..! |
| 12:18.14 | Jonne | weird, Drive is like the best GPS I ever used |
| 12:18.21 | Jonne | including dedicated devices |
| 12:18.52 | Jonne | haven't used it intensively yet, though |
| 12:18.55 | sledges | it is nice, but should find the quickest path instead of taking me around (eventually stuck in a centre of a big city which I'd otherwise bypass) |
| 12:19.07 | sledges | I think maps are not updated... |
| 12:19.09 | sledges | and |
| 12:20.33 | sledges | if I include Motorways, journey lasts 1h40min, if I uncheck them, it lasts 1h31min - clearly a flaw |
| 12:21.22 | sledges | Jonne, where do you get the fact of Linux (and Qt) divisions being dropped first and foremost? It seems (and sadly most probably will be), but was it stated officially anywhere? |
| 12:21.49 | Jonne | it's allover the interwebs |
| 12:21.56 | Jonne | did not read the press release, though |
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| 12:25.34 | Jonne | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/nokias-linux-based-meltemi-platform-melts-amid-layoffs-qt-still-afloat/ |
| 12:25.40 | Jonne | i guess it's meltemi |
| 12:25.54 | Jonne | which was started after elopalypse, IIRC |
| 12:29.01 | Jonne | weird, seems like someone's trying to get the Meltemi article deleted from wikipedia |
| 12:31.07 | Jonne | whatever, Linux was probably still too fat to run on featurephones |
| 12:32.49 | mgedmin | given historical trends, you should rephrase that as "featurephones are probably still too weak to run Linux" |
| 12:33.04 | mgedmin | software doesn't get leaner, hardware gets stronger... |
| 12:33.34 | sledges | Jonne, I tend to disagree; this is what I put on a poorly imx53: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIHRLbAAFIE |
| 12:35.59 | Jonne | well, i just base this on my experience with the n900 |
| 12:36.27 | Jonne | I loved that phone to death, but i missed so many calls because it was still swapping out before even rining |
| 12:36.30 | Jonne | *ringing |
| 12:36.30 | mgedmin | the n900 was memory-starved |
| 12:36.46 | mgedmin | it's much harder (but still possible) to bring the n9 to its knees |
| 12:36.57 | Jonne | because the n9 is more powerful |
| 12:37.06 | Jonne | and the n9 is a smartphone |
| 12:37.11 | mgedmin | yeah, I'm now trying to imagine a featurephone with 1 GB of RAM... |
| 12:37.22 | mgedmin | in a few years, yes :) |
| 12:37.24 | Jonne | i mean, if you're going to take the n9 as a baseline for featurephone, sure |
| 12:37.41 | Jonne | but i'd rather just think of them as smartphones from then on |
| 12:37.51 | mgedmin | my first linux desktop had 16 megabytes of RAM |
| 12:37.53 | sledges | n9 performs better than a faster CPU Samsung G S2 with its fat dalvik virtualisation layer |
| 12:40.03 | Jonne | featurephones as they exist now will probably disappear soon, as there's a whole range of smartphones available from like 100 to 600 |
| 12:40.35 | Jonne | and a standard nokia dumbphone was around 50 last time i needed to buy one |
| 12:40.48 | Jonne | not a lot of room between these 2 pricepoints |
| 12:41.00 | sledges | ah, the good old times. n70linux.wordpress.com |
| 12:41.17 | sledges | sometimes thinks has spent way too much time looking into Nokia in my life |
| 12:41.43 | sledges | and until N9 was released, never thought of having a nokia phone anyways (due to hype etc.), unless it could run linux :) |
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| 12:44.10 | juhaj | Jonne: A relief Nokia is not killing Qt... Wonder why they keep supporting it, though... |
| 12:45.37 | juhaj | Jonne: And I disagree about a featurephone being able to run linux. You can put linux and it will run smoothly, on very, very, low spec HW. The problem might come with a web browser or video playback, but do featurephones do either at all? |
| 12:45.58 | mgedmin | my featurephone has a rudimentary web browser |
| 12:46.04 | Jonne | then again, i guess you can make linux as fat or lean as you want depending on what features you want to keep |
| 12:46.16 | mgedmin | it's not useful in any way at all |
| 12:47.05 | Jonne | juhaj, conspiracy me thinks it's better to starve it than set it free |
| 12:47.13 | Jonne | for Microsoft that is |
| 12:47.45 | sledges | starve? what do you mean :) |
| 12:48.23 | Jonne | basically just slow down development on QT until the rest of the tech world passes them by |
| 12:48.35 | Jonne | QT is a toolkit that runs on practically everything, MS is pretty scared of anything that does this |
| 12:48.58 | mgedmin | heh, reminds me of nokia presentations |
| 12:49.05 | sledges | a fat microsoft competitor will then definitelly start looking into Qt ;) |
| 12:49.32 | mgedmin | "(1) QT is the primary platform for all future nokia devices! (2) Windows Phone is the primary platform for all future nokia smartphones! (3) no, you can't use QT to develop apps for Windows Phone" |
| 12:50.25 | sledges | if microsoft has still any directly aimed competitors left out there... it's struggling itself by all looks of it |
| 12:50.56 | Jonne | sledges: that's why they want to keep it in Nokia |
| 12:51.30 | Jonne | if they drop it, the developers will get picked up by Samsung or whatever, and QT ends up competing with MS technologies again |
| 12:51.38 | sledges | it will be easy for [e.g. Tizen] to realise that nothing much is being done by nokia in there whatsoever |
| 12:52.11 | sledges | a recent [rumour] states that Nokia's commits to Qt have been authoritatively capped (if not shut) to Qt |
| 12:52.16 | Jonne | not sure what Samsung is doing, though |
| 12:52.34 | sledges | they are watching what's going on, just like we all. We'll live, we'll see... |
| 12:52.42 | juhaj | Well, Qt is LGPL, so if someone is interested in taking on MS with it, they can just fork FreeQt out of Nokias Qt. |
| 12:52.54 | Jonne | they have Tizen, Bada now, and they build symbian, wp7 and android phones |
| 12:53.02 | sledges | ..., OpenJDK, LibreOffice, my-oh-my..... |
| 12:53.08 | Jonne | they'll have to make some choices too someday |
| 12:53.30 | juhaj | Did they not say they'll merge Bada to Tizen? |
| 12:53.43 | Jonne | well, the point is to keep the community happy enough so they don't get together and fork |
| 12:53.53 | sledges | Tizen = CheapAndroidUI+Bada-MeeGo ......@#$*[&_ :) |
| 12:54.06 | juhaj | sledges: I'm not sure I understood that statement about capping... "commits to Qt ... capped to Qt"??? |
| 12:54.20 | Jonne | do token development, but don't give any direction to the project, add more red tape, etc |
| 12:54.39 | Jonne | by the time the community realizes what's happening, 2 years have passed |
| 12:56.54 | sledges | juhaj, citing #mer: http://pastie.org/4092186 |
| 12:57.36 | Jonne | begun, it has... |
| 12:57.37 | juhaj | Jonne: You think the community is so blind? |
| 12:58.34 | Jonne | look, if nokia keeps paying the main devs to twiddle their thumbs, not a lot is going to happen to the project |
| 12:59.23 | Jonne | QT needs some sort of corporate backing, realistically |
| 12:59.34 | Jonne | or they can try and do what Monty did with Mariadb |
| 13:00.05 | Jonne | but i notice that my ubuntu box still comes with mysql by default |
| 13:02.18 | Jonne | eventually the FOSS community always wins, but in tech you can make a competitor irrelevant if you can stall them for just a few years |
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| 13:05.37 | Jonne | whatever, my next phone won't be nokia any more. Possibly android with that slick ubuntu desktop mode thing |
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| 13:06.42 | Jonne | or tizen, if that ever happens |
| 13:07.17 | sledges | or Mer with N9 UX, in an utopian world, but never say never ;) |
| 13:07.50 | Jonne | on what hardware? |
| 13:09.27 | Jonne | not many companies can build a phone, get it certified allover the world, and distributed widely |
| 13:10.10 | Jonne | it was already a bitch to find an n9, and I actually live in a country where it got officially released |
| 13:11.30 | sledges | the latter is thanks to the elopalypse |
| 13:12.08 | sledges | at hackers level we've got www.gta04.org ;) |
| 13:18.25 | Jonne | yeah, but i'm more of a user that likes to have root access to the stuff he owns |
| 13:18.38 | Jonne | freerunner can't even make calls, right? |
| 13:19.18 | Jonne | we need the EU to force companies to stop selling stuff with encrypted bootloaders and other nonsense |
| 13:21.53 | Jonne | for some reason corporations seem to think that even if you pay 500 for something, it still isn't yours to do what you want with |
| 13:22.38 | Jonne | and they get away with it because our politicians are 50+ years old and don't know how to turn on a computer |
| 13:22.46 | sledges | is all about the money, on the flipside: they surely do not want to receive in copious amounts of support calls from the users-fiddlers |
| 13:23.34 | Jonne | by all means void the warranty if you reflash the phone |
| 13:23.42 | Jonne | but don't encrypt everything |
| 13:24.00 | Jonne | (with a key the consumer doesn't have) |
| 13:24.16 | Jonne | (i would actually like a phone where everything was encrypted) |
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| 13:57.52 | sledges | PS jonne|reconnecte : when talking about Freerunner, discern between GTA02 and GTA04, as they do not share the same SoC anymore |
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| 16:38.38 | sakkemo | is it possible to export text messages somehow? |
| 16:42.32 | sakkemo | if only there was a way to search the interweb -> |
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| 16:53.24 | Kozzi | is there any way to play rtmp stream with N9 ? |
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| 16:59.12 | jonne|reconnecte | lol, asked that yesterday, Kozzi |
| 16:59.40 | jonne|reconnecte | there is rtmpdump, and on talk.maemo.org there is a package for mplayer |
| 16:59.48 | jonne|reconnecte | haven't tried if it works yet |
| 17:00.56 | Kozzi | how to install rtmpdump without adding rzr repo :D |
| 17:01.22 | Kozzi | nvm found it |
| 17:01.35 | jonne|reconnecte | it's in the community repo's, i think |
| 17:01.56 | jonne|reconnecte | let me know if it works, want to watch football on my n9 too :p |
| 17:02.19 | Kozzi | :p |
| 17:05.34 | Kozzi | Connecting.. |
| 17:05.38 | Kozzi | quit |
| 17:05.54 | Kozzi | sigh my links don't work |
| 17:06.45 | jonne|reconnecte | damn |
| 17:13.32 | Kozzi | maybe I just don't know how to use this |
| 17:14.00 | Kozzi | dunno how to let it know to use mplayer for playback |
| 17:14.50 | jonne|reconnecte | http://www.irunvlc.me/ -> anyone use this yet? |
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| 17:16.41 | Kozzi | nope |
| 17:16.54 | jonne|reconnecte | packages look too old, i'm not risking installing it |
| 17:18.22 | Kozzi | me neither, just got the phone back from nokia care |
| 17:42.22 | Kozzi | jonne|reconnecte: do you have a working rtmp link ? |
| 17:42.56 | jonne|reconnecte | rtmp://vrt.live.flash.streampower.be/sporza/vrt_sporza.net |
| 17:43.05 | jonne|reconnecte | wait, that's Belgium only |
| 17:43.08 | jonne|reconnecte | possibly |
| 17:45.03 | jonne|reconnecte | hmm, can't find one on google immediately |
| 17:47.19 | Kozzi | managed to get a video from ruutu to play |
| 17:47.52 | Kozzi | the link is easy to get though, it has ***.mp4 |
| 17:48.24 | jonne|reconnecte | what command did you use? |
| 17:49.14 | Kozzi | try this: rtmpdump --rtmp rtmp://stream2.nelonen.fi/vod/mp4:JIMD_207638.mp4 -o - | mplayer - |
| 17:50.26 | jonne|reconnecte | mplayer from this thread? -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80031 |
| 17:51.00 | Kozzi | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1202287&postcount=15 |
| 17:51.01 | Kozzi | this one |
| 17:52.55 | Kozzi | use "mplayer -fs -" if you don't want empty toolbar and statusbar hanging around |
| 17:53.13 | Kozzi | next task is to search for a working euro12 link |
| 17:53.24 | jonne|reconnecte | which country? |
| 17:53.34 | Kozzi | finland ? |
| 17:53.56 | jonne|reconnecte | do any finnish channels have online streaming? |
| 17:54.08 | Kozzi | my main intrest is to play vietnamese tv streams though |
| 17:54.11 | Kozzi | no idea |
| 17:54.24 | jonne|reconnecte | if they do, you can figure out the rtmp url by using wireshark |
| 17:55.32 | Kozzi | I'm using urlsnooper2, simplier :) |
| 17:59.56 | jonne|reconnecte | doesn't seem to work on the stream i'm watching :/ |
| 18:01.11 | Kozzi | ´which one ? |
| 18:01.55 | jonne|reconnecte | the one i posted before |
| 18:12.07 | Kozzi | http://atdhenet.tv/47773/watch-ukraine-vs-france |
| 18:12.17 | Kozzi | don't have wireshark to sniff the filename though |
| 18:16.28 | jonne|reconnecte | watching it on my computer anyway |
| 18:17.03 | jonne|reconnecte | i sort of only wanted to try and see if i could keep watching it on my phone if i needed to leave for some reason |
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| 19:13.49 | Kozzi | Hah, got it to work :DS |
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| 20:20.28 | Kozzi | anyone here have rtmpdump and mplayer installed ? |
| 20:38.59 | jonne|reconnecte | i do now :p |
| 20:48.32 | juhaj | Kozzi: That site does not seem to offer anything but suspicious downloads |
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| 21:08.06 | Kozzi | incase someone want to try out rtmpdump+mplayer |
| 21:08.12 | Kozzi | a vietnamese channel: |
| 21:08.15 | Kozzi | rtmpdump --live -r rtmp://66.160.142.197:1935/live/vtv4 swfUrl=http://vtc.com.vn/player.swf pageUrl=http://vtc.com.vn/#/VTV4/2 -o - | mplayer -fs - |
| 21:23.57 | jonne|reconnecte | why is the swfurl and pageurl necessary? |
| 21:24.54 | Kozzi | seriously no idea |
| 21:25.08 | jonne|reconnecte | weird |
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| 21:26.39 | Kozzi | does it work for you ? |
| 21:26.48 | Kozzi | it's painfully slow for me |
| 21:31.39 | jonne | tried it on my desktop, and i only got one frame |
| 21:31.48 | jonne | so didn't bother to try on the phone |
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| 21:39.21 | Kozzi | oh man. |
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