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| 00:32.06 | itsnotabigtruck | #inception |
| 00:32.15 | itsnotabigtruck | er, missed a /join there |
| 00:32.28 | itsnotabigtruck | though in any case, you guys should join that channel :D |
| 00:33.45 | virtuald | ;: |
| 00:33.48 | virtuald | ;) |
| 00:36.42 | virtuald | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.48 | itsnotabigtruck | well, angry birds saves are under /var/opt :p |
| 00:40.19 | itsnotabigtruck | also there might be complications involved in restoring your sms/contact/calendar/etc. info |
| 00:56.39 | virtuald | =D |
| 00:57.38 | virtuald | as long as it's readable i guess it's fine |
| 00:59.44 | virtuald | it will make me try to hack something up |
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| 05:52.55 | akbaar | hi |
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| 07:06.36 | b00^wk | hello guys |
| 07:07.08 | b00^wk | anyone can direct me to that guide about how to put a 'free' kernel on this phone ? without tha aegis gard crap |
| 07:07.27 | b00^wk | someone gave me a link last time, but I did not log it, and so ... need it again |
| 07:07.40 | petteri | this channel is logged |
| 07:07.48 | petteri | see topic |
| 07:07.52 | b00^wk | err, but i have not logged it |
| 07:08.01 | b00^wk | oh |
| 07:08.03 | b00^wk | ~logs |
| 07:08.03 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23n9/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 07:08.04 | b00^wk | oops |
| 07:08.32 | b00^wk | yea, i wish i knew the date as well |
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| 07:26.57 | b00^wk | err, |
| 07:27.02 | b00^wk | is this the latest of it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81579 |
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| 07:41.01 | b00^wk | anyone like can tell me, |
| 07:41.12 | b00^wk | what does open mode kernel allow me to do, and what does it break ? |
| 07:41.47 | psycho_oreos | most likely gets rid of aegis. Supposedly it varies on firmware versions but it would break things like Accounts |
| 07:41.49 | b00^wk | i find all these refs I found highly f* confusing , some MALF, EPERM, SSU |
| 07:41.50 | petteri | no idea, I am happy with aegis crap :) |
| 07:42.26 | psycho_oreos | MALF is most likely short for malfunction |
| 07:42.27 | b00^wk | psycho_oreos, what do I loose if I get rid of aegis |
| 07:42.32 | b00^wk | sounds like MILF |
| 07:42.50 | b00^wk | f*, seriously, could they write these less f* cryptic |
| 07:42.54 | b00^wk | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 07:43.17 | psycho_oreos | b00^wk, some of your personal settings, awhile ago I asked about using openmode on pr1.2 and someone said that you can no longer lock your device with lock code |
| 07:43.53 | psycho_oreos | yeah in short its really for tinkerers ;)　especially handy when you have a background experience with previous maemo devices |
| 07:43.55 | b00^wk | ok, so you loose some personal settings (which you can backup I hope?) and, loose the "Lock device" code |
| 07:44.14 | b00^wk | I have no experience with Maemo, thats why i find this so frustrating i guess |
| 07:44.33 | b00^wk | I want to be able to install another kernel module for a device say |
| 07:44.40 | b00^wk | so probably the openmode is the only way ? |
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| 07:44.52 | psycho_oreos | not sure about restoring backed up personal settings but you can back them up, aegisfs data is generally accessible |
| 07:45.19 | b00^wk | also, why are they talking about dual-boot ? |
| 07:45.29 | psycho_oreos | supposedly you maybe able to get around that by incepting your n9 instead |
| 07:45.29 | b00^wk | does openmode install an alternative image it boots in ? |
| 07:45.44 | b00^wk | 'incepting' ?? |
| 07:45.56 | psycho_oreos | dualboot is handy in case if you borked openmode |
| 07:46.05 | b00^wk | Inception - i recall this movie with DiCaprio .. |
| 07:46.08 | petteri | https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ |
| 07:46.21 | sakkemo | b00^wk: inception (hack) gives you means to disable aegis without changing the kernel |
| 07:46.25 | psycho_oreos | incepting is a way to give `root', "the" proper access, though its not perfect it still has its limitations |
| 07:46.34 | b00^wk | Ok ok ok |
| 07:46.51 | b00^wk | so how does this openmode / kernel work , without inception, |
| 07:46.57 | b00^wk | they install an alternative kernel, |
| 07:47.05 | b00^wk | a custom initrd image, and dual boot ? |
| 07:47.08 | psycho_oreos | openmode is compiled without aegis and some other things |
| 07:47.38 | psycho_oreos | I don't think they would use custom initrd image, it would be a complete kernel that you flash and use the moslo |
| 07:48.27 | b00^wk | 'moslo' ? |
| 07:48.37 | psycho_oreos | most likely: Multi OS Loader |
| 07:48.52 | b00^wk | i'm old ! I know LILO, and Grup |
| 07:48.57 | b00^wk | w t f is Multi OS Loader |
| 07:49.03 | b00^wk | grub |
| 07:49.18 | psycho_oreos | maemo predecessors (like N900, N810, N800, 770) used NOLO which was primarily designed to only boot one OS only |
| 07:49.39 | b00^wk | ok, learning... |
| 07:49.42 | psycho_oreos | grub and lilo are cases of multi OS　loader |
| 07:50.18 | psycho_oreos | s/Lo/LO/ |
| 07:51.29 | psycho_oreos | it could come in really handy for those who want to boot things like nitdroid which is essentially android hacked to run on nokia tablets (well n9 isn't really a tablet but meh) |
| 07:51.44 | b00^wk | " ... and allow running harmattan in |
| 07:51.44 | b00^wk | open mode though it behaves (regarding aegis) like it's still in normal mode." |
| 07:51.50 | b00^wk | what does this mean ? |
| 07:52.40 | b00^wk | " behaves like its still in normal mode " ... |
| 07:52.42 | psycho_oreos | harmattan is the code name for this maemo build. It makes aegis doesn't panic when certain things require aegis |
| 07:53.08 | b00^wk | Ok, so when I do modprobe my_hello_world_module |
| 07:53.10 | b00^wk | it will be ok then ? |
| 07:53.24 | b00^wk | or, when I want to kill some Nokia services |
| 07:53.36 | psycho_oreos | probably, like I said I never tried the openmode kernel |
| 07:53.48 | b00^wk | which currently for i don't have rights to kill even when im' in devel-su mode .. |
| 07:54.26 | psycho_oreos | yeah, inception gets around that once you use it, there's a package known as opensh which basically gives you all the credentials that aegis could offer |
| 07:54.38 | b00^wk | NOT anymore ! |
| 07:54.43 | b00^wk | the fuckers removed it |
| 07:54.47 | b00^wk | excuse my language |
| 07:54.51 | b00^wk | wwell, they locked it |
| 07:55.11 | psycho_oreos | that's what aegis is for :) but inception does work (up to pr1.2 only) |
| 07:55.40 | psycho_oreos | and openmode kernel may not work with latter versions of the firmware anyway |
| 07:56.09 | b00^wk | " ... You need to use any openmode kernel to install opensh, the mini_howto |
| 07:56.10 | b00^wk | explains how to load the kernel to RAM and then install the package, |
| 07:56.10 | b00^wk | there's no flashing of kernel involved. |
| 07:56.10 | b00^wk | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.16 | b00^wk | seriously |
| 07:56.34 | b00^wk | Is this a Windows in disguise ??? |
| 07:57.10 | psycho_oreos | its nokia's way of thwarting their own linux fan base |
| 07:57.28 | psycho_oreos | they're doing a good.. er no in fact a great job at that |
| 07:57.29 | b00^wk | do they have a Linux fan base ??? |
| 07:57.40 | petteri | wft are you talking about |
| 07:57.41 | psycho_oreos | eversince maemo first appeared.. yes |
| 07:58.17 | b00^wk | i get the impression this is all made exceptionally hard so that you cannot change do anything on your own |
| 07:58.18 | psycho_oreos | aegis to me is similar to what symbian had with the stupid certificate signing |
| 07:58.45 | psycho_oreos | well yeah it makes the device to not trust you because nokia thinks their linux user base are retarded |
| 07:59.01 | psycho_oreos | that and DRM stuff |
| 07:59.07 | petteri | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.25 | psycho_oreos | its security through obscurity for tinkerers |
| 07:59.35 | b00^wk | yea, whatever works for you man ... i mean |
| 07:59.39 | b00^wk | im just so hugely dissapointed |
| 07:59.58 | psycho_oreos | b00^wk, for that matter I still retain my N900s |
| 08:00.41 | psycho_oreos | some maemo owners here may have other various legacy maemo devices where the device could literally bow down and respect the end user |
| 08:00.58 | b00^wk | petteri, it would be really nice of them to give a clear clean option to not use that aegis |
| 08:01.03 | b00^wk | the anus security |
| 08:01.58 | psycho_oreos | so have you tried incepting yet? |
| 08:02.05 | b00^wk | well, |
| 08:02.12 | b00^wk | I have , successfully used opensh |
| 08:02.16 | b00^wk | BEFORe their latest update |
| 08:02.21 | b00^wk | then it stopped working |
| 08:02.57 | b00^wk | fuck .. seriously, i dont' see how this even works - 'well, we must disallow people running opesh and doing stuff on their private phones, so lets fucking remove this..' |
| 08:03.00 | psycho_oreos | ahh, I recall they were fixing up some security flaws and that actually broke inception |
| 08:03.35 | b00^wk | i waited may be 3 years to get my first (and last???) Nokia Linux phone |
| 08:04.01 | psycho_oreos | I must admit that you should have not really gotten n9 :) |
| 08:04.07 | b00^wk | :(((((((((((( |
| 08:04.43 | psycho_oreos | pr1.0 was a real pita with security too, pr1.1 and early pr1.2 were a little more open and now they closed that hole up again |
| 08:05.40 | psycho_oreos | adding salt to the wound, had you entered the community dev challenge, you could get N950 which maybe a little more obedient than the piss poor n9 |
| 08:06.14 | psycho_oreos | s/could/may/ |
| 08:07.13 | b00^wk | i'm reading at that link i posted, this one : http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 08:07.30 | b00^wk | it's "official" open mode, implemented in a way that got actively supported by Nokia, |
| 08:07.30 | b00^wk | e.g. by the new NOLO that makes loading open mode kernel possible |
| 08:07.38 | b00^wk | official open mode ... |
| 08:08.04 | b00^wk | probably old |
| 08:08.21 | psycho_oreos | pr1.1 is old :) |
| 08:08.43 | b00^wk | yea - stupid me, i lost my opensh moving 1.1 -> 1.2 i think |
| 08:09.35 | psycho_oreos | inception should work on pr1.2 but there was a security fix that was later pushed onto pr1.2 I suspect |
| 08:10.16 | b00^wk | <psycho_oreos> that's what aegis is for :) but inception does work (up to pr1.2 only) |
| 08:10.20 | b00^wk | so it won't work later ? |
| 08:11.06 | b00^wk | psycho_oreos, have you tried inception |
| 08:11.51 | psycho_oreos | b00^wk, its not tested on later than pr1.2 but then don't forget about the security fix which the last I recall did prevent inception from working |
| 08:12.04 | b00^wk | ah ... |
| 08:12.16 | psycho_oreos | and yes I am using inception, still retaining pr1.1 on my device even though it keeps nagging me to update to pr1.2 |
| 08:12.30 | b00^wk | yes, and you cannot downgrade, i read |
| 08:12.44 | psycho_oreos | yup, legacy maemo devices didn't have that restriction |
| 08:15.22 | b00^wk | my college just showed off his brand new Samsung |
| 08:15.37 | psycho_oreos | heh galaxy III |
| 08:15.48 | b00^wk | probably easy access with Android to everything |
| 08:16.14 | psycho_oreos | the unfortunate thing about android is that the entire thing is running on dalvik vm |
| 08:16.26 | b00^wk | virtual machine ? |
| 08:16.34 | psycho_oreos | yup, java virtual machine |
| 08:16.38 | b00^wk | ah yea |
| 08:17.02 | b00^wk | but you can probably use Java JNI ? |
| 08:17.32 | psycho_oreos | not sure :) I don't personally own any android devices myself (though I may switch to android soon) |
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| 09:27.58 | b00^wk | opensh started again ... but can i still kill ..lets see |
| 09:31.23 | b00^wk | i can kill again |
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| 11:17.56 | messerting | Hi, I've got a N9 with a broken screen - totally broken, all black. How do a make a backup of the phone? |
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| 11:30.23 | b00^wk | messerting, sure you tried pressing the button on the side ? |
| 11:30.37 | b00^wk | ... just a joke ... |
| 11:30.42 | messerting | b00^wk: hehe |
| 11:30.53 | messerting | actually, I managed to do it - ssh was runnig |
| 11:30.57 | messerting | *running |
| 11:31.04 | messerting | doing backup over wifi now ;) |
| 11:31.18 | b00^wk | ok, are you able to backup the contacts though |
| 11:31.51 | messerting | not sure |
| 11:33.05 | sakkemo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84488 |
| 11:33.12 | b00^wk | how did you break your screen ? |
| 11:33.25 | b00^wk | did you test it with a hammer ? :) |
| 11:37.52 | messerting | b00^wk: my GF |
| 11:38.04 | messerting | lost it several times |
| 11:38.08 | messerting | concrete floot |
| 11:38.20 | messerting | *floor |
| 11:38.27 | messerting | gotta go now |
| 11:38.36 | b00^wk | i've dropped mine on a woden floor, got it completely cracked |
| 11:38.42 | b00^wk | all over lowerscreen |
| 11:38.58 | b00^wk | still running.. new screen 1600 nok |
| 11:39.52 | sakkemo | you can get N9's for the same price soon enough |
| 11:39.57 | sakkemo | it seems |
| 11:40.04 | b00^wk | yea no one wants this crap |
| 11:40.10 | b00^wk | new phone here is 2300 |
| 11:40.16 | b00^wk | but NOT mine - mine is 64gig |
| 11:40.22 | b00^wk | still 4000 about |
| 11:40.42 | messerting | guess she will go for a galaxy SII |
| 11:41.04 | b00^wk | my household insurance paid me 2100 for screen |
| 11:41.14 | b00^wk | don't know what to do - get new phone, or replace screen |
| 11:42.47 | sakkemo | if you get it fixed I guess you'll still get the warranty? |
| 11:43.09 | sakkemo | on the other hand if you buy a 16 GB phone you'll have a phone full of spare parts |
| 11:43.36 | b00^wk | hmm, yea |
| 11:43.52 | b00^wk | thsi low price is for a pink one , thats the only minus |
| 11:43.54 | b00^wk | :) |
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| 11:47.08 | b00^wk | oh.. you still here |
| 11:47.32 | sakkemo | me or messerting ? |
| 11:47.37 | b00^wk | listening: Korn ft Skrillex - Get Up |
| 11:47.41 | b00^wk | sakkemo, no my phone |
| 11:47.44 | b00^wk | i got surprised |
| 11:47.49 | b00^wk | looks like wifi died, it switched |
| 11:47.54 | sakkemo | :P |
| 11:53.58 | b00^wk | err, am i wrong or do our phones have the front camera ? |
| 11:54.05 | b00^wk | i kinda have not seen any ap that uses it . . |
| 11:56.48 | sakkemo | b00^wk: http://store.ovi.com/content/195939 |
| 11:57.10 | sakkemo | I don't know any others |
| 11:58.08 | phako | google talk |
| 11:58.25 | phako | http://store.ovi.com/content/259046 |
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| 12:07.51 | b00^wk | thats nice, Jonne_ :)) |
| 12:07.52 | Jonne_ | *feed screen |
| 12:08.32 | Jonne_ | i hope the feed i subscribed to is decent, can't really tell before it starts |
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| 13:00.01 | b00^wk | right.. |
| 13:00.07 | b00^wk | so who here tried INCEPTION .. |
| 13:00.23 | b00^wk | a very creative name |
| 13:25.25 | b00^wk | itsnotabigtruck, hey ! |
| 13:28.19 | b00^wk | itsnotabigtruck, just found the log where you were nicely explaining me how i can load my own modules. does that still work for you? I've tried, what you suggested, and it does not work here. |
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| 16:40.15 | mlpug | when I arrive home I often forget to switch to wlan so I continue using cellular network and pay cellular fees. Can I configure it so that when I arrive home it switches to wlan automatically |
| 16:40.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
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| 16:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least I thought you could |
| 16:45.34 | mlpug | this N9 is finnish so my translation of menus may be inaccurate. Anyway, this has network connections in two categories: 1) automatically used networks and 2) manually used networks |
| 16:46.24 | mlpug | if I put wlan into automatically used network and cellular network into manually used networks then do you say that it breaks cellular connection when I arrive home. That would be what I am after |
| 16:46.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | from help: "connect to an available WLAN \\ Select the WLAN connection and *Connect* \\ In future your phone connects to the WLAN automatically" |
| 16:47.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I guess that's how it's supoosed to work |
| 17:11.39 | mlpug | DocScrutinizer05, I did now some experiment I it seems that there is one piece missing |
| 17:11.57 | mlpug | And it is that if I have cellular connection up and I arrive home, it does not connect to wlan automatically as there is that other connection up |
| 17:12.14 | mlpug | I wanted it to "force break" the costly connection. |
| 17:12.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 17:12.26 | mlpug | If I dont have any connection up then it automatically connects to wlan. that part works ok |
| 17:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how often it's scanning for WLAN APs |
| 17:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure it doesn't scan all the time |
| 17:13.01 | mlpug | okay. thats still possible. I have been inside now like 2 minutes or so and its still on cellular |
| 17:13.07 | mlpug | lets see what happens |
| 17:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | some 10min interval for scans seems sane |
| 17:13.50 | mlpug | It may be that such force break is not supported as it may result in some bad experience as your web session or something abruptly breaks |
| 17:14.10 | mlpug | or it might be that cellular operator disliked this feature and therefore its not supported |
| 17:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | in fremantle (maemo5, N900) there is "scan interval: 5|10|20|30 min" and "[ ] switch to WLAN if available" |
| 17:15.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | NFC what Nokia thought when they did the HARM internet dialog |
| 17:16.33 | mlpug | in generic case this would be "always use the cheapest connection". I understand the it would be very complex or impossible in practise. However, wlan versus cellular network I guess would not be rocket science |
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| 19:18.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | should work out of the box |
| 19:19.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | since the checkbox for "use WLAN if available" is gone, you'd hope they made it always on rather than always off |
| 22:25.57 | itsnotabigtruck | b00^N9: still around? |
| 22:26.02 | itsnotabigtruck | just got your message |
| 22:26.42 | itsnotabigtruck | for testing purposes, just run the following command: |
| 22:26.49 | itsnotabigtruck | well, commands |
| 22:26.51 | itsnotabigtruck | opensh |
| 22:26.56 | itsnotabigtruck | aegisctl -k |
| 22:26.59 | itsnotabigtruck | insmod yourmodule.ko |
| 22:27.14 | itsnotabigtruck | ^ for that to work, you need INCEPTION, opensh, and aegisctl installed and working |
| 22:27.17 | itsnotabigtruck | all of those are on the inception website |
| 22:27.35 | itsnotabigtruck | don't deploy your module to the public that way, there's a better way |
| 22:27.57 | itsnotabigtruck | if the 3rd step fails, usually the kernel log will have more info |
| 22:28.03 | itsnotabigtruck | you can see what it has to say with: dmesg | tail |
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