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| 13:15.39 | sledges | hello |
| 13:16.30 | sledges | what does N9 use to do GTalk video chat? i.e. what's the VOIP stack? if to build one from scratch, what would you recommend? |
| 13:16.59 | petteri | xmpp |
| 13:18.32 | petteri | the framwork used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telepathy_%28software%29 |
| 13:19.09 | petteri | i don't recommend building one from scratch |
| 13:19.56 | sledges | not the framework, but the client from scratch |
| 13:20.16 | sledges | which framework would suit a linux embedded device? with good lightweight/quality ratio |
| 13:20.18 | itsnotabigtruck | sledges: what do you mean |
| 13:20.39 | itsnotabigtruck | it uses telepathy, telepathy-gabble (xmpp for telepathy), and farsight (av communication for telepathy) |
| 13:20.44 | itsnotabigtruck | that's the stack |
| 13:20.46 | sledges | to write a simple Video-over-IP server/client on an embedded device |
| 13:20.58 | sledges | so had a question what did N9 choose |
| 13:23.10 | Elleo | sledges: I don't know if this will be of any use to you: http://www.openapathy.org/ it's also telepathy based but not tied to the N9 (it was originally designed for OpenMoko and uses enlightenment for its graphical system) |
| 13:23.33 | Elleo | its something I started a long time ago (when OpenMoko was still fairly fresh), but someone else has taken over development now |
| 13:23.56 | sledges | how else can I demonstrate video-over-IP on N9 without using GTalk ? (so GTalk is wrapped with telepathy, too? looks a bit cross-protocol`ish..?) |
| 13:25.49 | itsnotabigtruck | open apathy |
| 13:25.51 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 13:25.54 | sledges | :) |
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| 13:26.16 | petteri | at least with N900 you can stream video with gstreamer |
| 13:26.24 | petteri | probably also with N9 |
| 13:26.44 | Elleo | petteri: farsight/telepathy use gstreamer too |
| 13:26.53 | sledges | right, for its transport layer ;) |
| 13:26.53 | itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, what if you send raw video frames over a tcp connection |
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| 14:00.41 | sledges | can't get "Gtalk Video Call" to work: it says "Update to version 1.0.5-2 failed and application is now unusable..." :( PR1.2 |
| 14:48.15 | sledges | got it working by `pkgmgr uninstall video-call-installer` |
| 14:52.04 | sledges | but gtalk video calls dropout big time (with ubuntu+ff/windows+chrome clients on other end) :( i guess it's a weak N9 part still. What are your experiences? |
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| 16:21.34 | petteri | i love those, video calls |
| 16:21.38 | petteri | works great |
| 16:22.39 | petteri | works nicely even with 3g |
| 16:23.12 | petteri | so no problems here |
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| 17:55.55 | jonne | is there a google reader client for harmattan yet? |
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| 18:11.36 | jonne | totally forgot about newsflow |
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| 19:18.04 | ToAruShiroiNeko | what resolution is worthwhile for an N9 and is there a tool that can downgrade videos for its use? |
| 19:55.59 | mschlens | ToAruShiroiNeko: probably 800x480. |
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| 20:21.16 | jonni | 854x480 |
| 20:24.31 | mschlens | jonni: that's the native resolution. But to keep the aspect ratio, you'd have to stick w/ 800x480. |
| 20:32.07 | xTs | itsnotabigtruck: remember me complaining about the calendar sync? I reflashed the device and it worked for a few days but now I've got exactly the same error as before. The calendar wont do automated syncing anymore. I always have to do a manual sync |
| 20:32.52 | xTs | I think it has something to do with failed syncs. I remember one status message on the activity screen telling me that syncing failed |
| 20:33.15 | xTs | and that was around the time when timed syncing stopped working |
| 20:36.28 | itsnotabigtruck | ToAruShiroiNeko: 854x480 |
| 20:36.42 | itsnotabigtruck | oh wait, jonni already said that :p |
| 20:37.09 | itsnotabigtruck | 854x480 is 16:9 aspect so it ought to work fine |
| 20:37.30 | itsnotabigtruck | xts: weird |
| 20:57.35 | ToAruShiroiNeko | itsnotabigtruck how can I convert videos to that for free with minimal pain |
| 20:58.04 | ToAruShiroiNeko | video should be given black areas if aspect ratio is unatainable without cropping |
| 20:58.37 | itsnotabigtruck | it's called 'letterboxing' :p |
| 20:58.50 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm not really sure what sw to use |
| 20:59.28 | itsnotabigtruck | better convert to 852x480 |
| 20:59.56 | itsnotabigtruck | or whatever |
| 21:22.04 | xTs | are there any sources of the calendar app or a way to debug it? |
| 21:22.15 | xTs | I'd like to fix that, it's annoying... |
| 21:28.25 | juhaj | ToAruShiroiNeko: handbrake or ffmpeg can both do the jobs for you, but do not ask me for the specific parameters, I do not know them (and there are more than a zillion combinations of good choices) |
| 21:30.02 | ghjgfjghjbn | n9 did good in sunlight legibility test gsmarena. not that no one already knew |
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| 21:33.51 | juhaj | N9 is quite a good phone, but there are some annoying glitches, like the "swipe and hold from bottom edge to access the phone, messages, camera and web apps" -feature: it does not work in all applications. |
| 21:34.19 | juhaj | Actually, it almost never works: it does not work when the swype keyboard is visible and that is almost always the case for me. =( |
| 21:35.18 | juhaj | (Unless I am not doing anything with the phone, in which case it is in stand-by screen. |
| 22:13.55 | sp3000 | yeah, with the regular kb you can swipe that down first |
| 22:14.54 | sp3000 | otoh I feel the bottom quick launch thing is just unnecessary complexity |
| 22:17.25 | sp3000 | in the sense that, since you'll often be not in an app, or have a keyboard you need to get rid of first anyway, you have at least three different starting modes for how it's available or not |
| 22:18.38 | sp3000 | so by the time you figure out how to get to it from the present mode you'd probably have fumbled onto the desktop app grid with much less thought involved |
| 22:21.36 | sp3000 | I think you'll be happier deciding it doesn't exist :) |
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