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| 03:53.37 | keithzg | Hmphh, still unable to update to PR 1.2; the Updates application just hangs on "Checking for updates" indefinitely. Even after a reboot, apt claims it can't get a lock on /var/lib/apt/lists/lock, so I'm assuming that's related but I'm unsure of what to do next. |
| 03:56.29 | itsnotabigtruck | keithzg: yeah, people have been reporting that |
| 03:56.48 | itsnotabigtruck | haven't experienced it myself, but i ended up flashing my phone |
| 03:56.57 | itsnotabigtruck | it seems to have something to do with an os upgrade gone wrong |
| 03:57.21 | itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, do you have any non-default repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 03:58.32 | keithzg | I do, and seem sadly unable to disable them; file permission failures despite using devel-su |
| 03:59.09 | itsnotabigtruck | hm, who owns them |
| 03:59.25 | itsnotabigtruck | devel-su to the user who owns the files, then delete them |
| 04:02.34 | keithzg | thanks, devel-su'ing to root worked; odd, I (apparently ignorantly) thought devel-su was switching to root anyways |
| 04:02.59 | itsnotabigtruck | keithzg: weird |
| 04:03.10 | itsnotabigtruck | it does switch to root by default |
| 04:03.27 | itsnotabigtruck | i thought that perhaps the files were owned by e.g. user or developer |
| 04:03.54 | itsnotabigtruck | remember that with aegis, root doesn't have all access to all files normally |
| 04:04.07 | keithzg | huh, I wonder what's going on then; naw, they were all owned by root, other than osa.list which is root/osa (I assume I should leave osa.list?) |
| 04:04.16 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, leave that alone |
| 04:04.21 | itsnotabigtruck | also leave the aegis-blahblah.list alone |
| 04:04.35 | keithzg | heh yeah I figured |
| 04:05.19 | keithzg | For now I'm just commenting out the extra entries, rather than removing the files entirely |
| 04:06.44 | keithzg | Aha! Killing the package manager process(es) and commenting out those entries seems to have done it, update showed up fine now, time to bring on the PR1.2 |
| 04:07.06 | itsnotabigtruck | yay |
| 04:07.19 | keithzg | on my sadly damaged N9, since I dropped it yesterday and now the volume-down button is bashed in :( Downside of the unibody, no way to take it apart and bend it back. Ah well. |
| 04:07.25 | itsnotabigtruck | also remember that if you get an error about /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 04:07.52 | itsnotabigtruck | do killall -w pkgmgrd, then rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 04:08.27 | itsnotabigtruck | you actually can take it apart but it's a very complex procedure and i'm not sure if there's much you could do about the button |
| 04:08.32 | itsnotabigtruck | man, i hate that feeling |
| 04:08.41 | itsnotabigtruck | i already bent my USB door |
| 04:09.04 | itsnotabigtruck | it can be bent back but the flex point can be seen if you look closely |
| 04:09.26 | itsnotabigtruck | keithzg ^ |
| 04:10.10 | keithzg | damn, that sucks . . . sadly, yeah, it happens. |
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| 04:11.24 | keithzg | hopes 3D printers get cheap soon, so we can start replacing our own little plastic widgets and such; it's a terrible feeling to have a multi-hundred dollar piece of electronics and break some tiny plastic piece that can never be repaired |
| 04:11.34 | itsnotabigtruck | i have some new doors on order but they're backordered |
| 04:11.56 | Necrosporus | is $642 adequate price for N9 in local store (not internet) |
| 04:12.11 | itsnotabigtruck | oh hey, it's Necrosporus |
| 04:12.16 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm having deja vu here |
| 04:12.22 | itsnotabigtruck | :p |
| 04:12.25 | Necrosporus | why? |
| 04:12.42 | keithzg | A local store in my city sells the 64GB for $600 (Canadian), if it's any use as a comparison. |
| 04:12.53 | itsnotabigtruck | didn't you ask the same question a week or two ago |
| 04:13.02 | Necrosporus | unlocked? |
| 04:13.08 | itsnotabigtruck | what i said was basically, no, that store is charging too much, online is always the way to go |
| 04:13.16 | itsnotabigtruck | what you said was, you want to have somewhere to take it back to if it fails |
| 04:13.18 | Necrosporus | but the price changed |
| 04:13.30 | itsnotabigtruck | well, 64gig n9s are now going in the mid $500s |
| 04:13.32 | keithzg | Necrosporus: Nokia refuses to sell the N9 in Canada, there's no locked ones on sale here heh |
| 04:13.50 | itsnotabigtruck | https://negrielectronics.com/catalogsearch/result/index/?cat=96&dir=desc&order=relevance&q=n9&x=0&y=0 |
| 04:14.00 | Necrosporus | so how is it in your store if nokia doesn't sell? |
| 04:14.06 | itsnotabigtruck | $504.50 for 64gb, $574.50 for the "unicorn" white 64gb |
| 04:14.20 | itsnotabigtruck | plus shipping of course, which shouldn't be too mcuh |
| 04:14.23 | keithzg | They only sell unlocked phones, it's imported; mine is the Singapore variant, heh. |
| 04:15.12 | itsnotabigtruck | the 64gb only became affordable shortly after i bought my 16gb :( |
| 04:15.15 | itsnotabigtruck | otoh, i really like the cyan |
| 04:15.52 | keithzg | Yeah, I would've been awfully tempted to get the cyan if it had come in 64GB. |
| 04:15.53 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, Necrosporus: right now that negri site is your place for buying an N9 |
| 04:15.58 | itsnotabigtruck | they just restocked a day or two ago |
| 04:16.07 | itsnotabigtruck | they're out of the 16gb cyan though |
| 04:16.14 | Necrosporus | maybe. seem cheaper than on amazon |
| 04:16.22 | Necrosporus | id prefer black |
| 04:16.41 | Necrosporus | i have no idea why anyone want magenta |
| 04:16.49 | itsnotabigtruck | i doubt they'll get dramatically cheaper than about $500 even |
| 04:17.02 | itsnotabigtruck | so if you're going to board the N9 train, you better do so now :D |
| 04:17.20 | Necrosporus | but is there any warranty? |
| 04:17.28 | Necrosporus | im in different country |
| 04:17.34 | itsnotabigtruck | then, once you have it, install my app http://n9-apps.com/ad-hac |
| 04:17.46 | itsnotabigtruck | you do realize there's no warranty if you buy from that store either, right |
| 04:17.57 | itsnotabigtruck | if you're buying an N9 in the us it's a "grey market" import |
| 04:18.12 | Necrosporus | nope, I'm in russia |
| 04:18.13 | itsnotabigtruck | well, to be specific, the warranty status is unclear |
| 04:18.31 | itsnotabigtruck | ahhhhhh |
| 04:18.40 | itsnotabigtruck | i assumed us dollars = us, heh |
| 04:18.49 | Necrosporus | the phones are generally more expensiive |
| 04:19.02 | Necrosporus | because i used google to convert |
| 04:19.10 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah...such things are probably more expensive in russia in general |
| 04:19.25 | itsnotabigtruck | but i think the n9 might have been officially launched there? |
| 04:20.00 | itsnotabigtruck | is there a value-added tax, because make sure to subtract that out before trying to compare prices internationally |
| 04:20.31 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, 18% VAT |
| 04:21.15 | itsnotabigtruck | $642 * (100% - 18%) = $526.44 |
| 04:21.23 | itsnotabigtruck | which is in range |
| 04:21.32 | itsnotabigtruck | unless you can find an online russian retailer with a better price, go for it |
| 04:22.07 | Necrosporus | N9 is launched |
| 04:22.32 | Necrosporus | itsnotabigtruck, the price is for 16G |
| 04:22.47 | Necrosporus | there is no 64 in local stores at all |
| 04:22.50 | itsnotabigtruck | oh...i thought you quoted a 64gb before |
| 04:22.57 | itsnotabigtruck | and said that 16gb is not enough |
| 04:23.07 | itsnotabigtruck | wait, no, i misremembered |
| 04:23.10 | Necrosporus | im not sure if its enough |
| 04:23.19 | itsnotabigtruck | you quoted 16gb and i was all, omg that's as expensive as a 64gb |
| 04:23.45 | itsnotabigtruck | but anyway, i don't know what retailers are considered reputable in .ru, so do your own comparing |
| 04:24.05 | itsnotabigtruck | if you buy from an authorized retailer then it's definitely covered by warranty, assuming it's launched there |
| 04:24.19 | Necrosporus | There is internet stores in russia with 64 and 19900 RUR price |
| 04:24.39 | itsnotabigtruck | so ~ $679 |
| 04:25.03 | Necrosporus | yes |
| 04:25.40 | Necrosporus | I guess, its better to get the same for 500, right? |
| 04:25.46 | itsnotabigtruck | or $556 with vat subtracted |
| 04:25.54 | itsnotabigtruck | is that price you quoted including vat? |
| 04:25.59 | Necrosporus | yes |
| 04:26.10 | Necrosporus | but not including shipping |
| 04:26.30 | itsnotabigtruck | well, domestic shipping from a russian shop is going to be way less than international shipping + customs duty from a foreign shop |
| 04:26.50 | itsnotabigtruck | if the price doesn't faze you, and you want 64gb, go for it |
| 04:26.54 | itsnotabigtruck | hates sales and value added taxes |
| 04:26.57 | Necrosporus | does 64 white differ? its somehow more expensive |
| 04:27.04 | itsnotabigtruck | only in being unique and unusual |
| 04:27.12 | itsnotabigtruck | it's also glossy instead of matte |
| 04:27.38 | itsnotabigtruck | and comes with a leather sleeve instead of a rubber shell |
| 04:27.42 | Necrosporus | I would prefer black as it matches the screen well |
| 04:27.46 | itsnotabigtruck | except the leather sleeve doesn't really fit very well |
| 04:28.27 | Necrosporus | but if white would be 1.5 gib ram, id pick white |
| 04:31.24 | Necrosporus | itsnotabigtruck, well, I have enough money to buy. but if that negriel doesn't ship defective hardware, Id prefer to pay less, as I do not want to send the device back and rather I'd try to fix it myself |
| 04:32.11 | Necrosporus | I guess, I have to check maybe there is nokia authorised centers and the device from that resellers has manufacturer warranty |
| 04:32.26 | Necrosporus | * there is such centers in my city, I mean |
| 04:32.47 | Necrosporus | As I do not find sending the device back acceptable, once I obtain it |
| 04:32.51 | itsnotabigtruck | Necrosporus: just buy from the russian retailer |
| 04:33.16 | itsnotabigtruck | i was going on incorrect information (assuming you were trying to buy an import n9 in the us) |
| 04:33.50 | itsnotabigtruck | also what's wrong with sending it back to nokia...that's how it works with basically all other tech companies |
| 04:34.06 | itsnotabigtruck | nokia is unique in having a large number of local repair shops |
| 04:34.14 | itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, there's a good chance there's one around |
| 04:35.32 | Necrosporus | itsnotabigtruck, because it will have to go back and forth |
| 04:36.05 | Necrosporus | while if I order only spare parts. it will take two times less time |
| 04:36.34 | Necrosporus | And I will get some useful experience in fixing things |
| 04:37.01 | Necrosporus | I havent repaired a phone yet, but I repaired netbook charger |
| 04:37.22 | Necrosporus | Also I have tried to disassemble my phone and assemble it back and it still working |
| 04:37.29 | Necrosporus | Nokia too |
| 04:39.43 | itsnotabigtruck | note that the N9 is quite a bit more difficult to get in to |
| 04:39.54 | itsnotabigtruck | download the service manual, you can find it on teh interwebs |
| 04:40.56 | slingr | i've never disassembled my n9 and i pray i don't have do, but i've disassembled every other nokia I've had (n900, n95-4, n95-1, n92, n80ie) |
| 04:41.08 | slingr | i just have a feeling that once you disassemble an n9 it will never be quite rigt |
| 04:41.15 | slingr | right |
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| 04:42.04 | itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, also you need a torx t-4 screwdriver |
| 04:42.12 | itsnotabigtruck | not sure if it's a security variant or normal torx |
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| 04:44.31 | itsnotabigtruck | also, http://i.imgur.com/M3jFm.jpg lol |
| 04:46.25 | Necrosporus | yeah, quite tricky |
| 04:46.44 | Necrosporus | but is it so probable I will ever have to repair it? |
| 04:46.56 | Necrosporus | the device seem monolite |
| 04:47.20 | Necrosporus | So its probably not that easy to break as others |
| 04:47.52 | Necrosporus | for example my N73 was broken once, but the joystick was replaced |
| 04:48.14 | Necrosporus | its quite tend to broke on this model |
| 04:48.27 | Necrosporus | but there is no such moving parts on N9 |
| 04:48.47 | itsnotabigtruck | except the usb door |
| 04:48.59 | keithzg | ...and the volume buttons *sob* |
| 04:49.01 | Necrosporus | but there is bluetooth |
| 04:49.02 | itsnotabigtruck | damaging that is close to an inevitability :p |
| 04:49.17 | itsnotabigtruck | you can't charge over bluetooth :p |
| 04:49.29 | Necrosporus | however, its disadvantage you have to open the door to charge |
| 04:49.36 | itsnotabigtruck | also the usb connection is very useful for development, you can ssh in through it |
| 04:49.53 | Necrosporus | I can with wi-fi as well |
| 04:49.58 | itsnotabigtruck | it's possible to replace the door fairly easily but replacement doors are hard to get |
| 04:50.18 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, but with the usb connection you charge the n9 at the same time and don't have dropout problems |
| 04:50.29 | Necrosporus | well, if that devices is sold in local stores, there must be such doors in service centers |
| 04:51.05 | itsnotabigtruck | unless they order in the parts on demand |
| 04:51.08 | itsnotabigtruck | which could take a while |
| 04:51.12 | keithzg | damn, update is still stuck at 0%. |
| 04:51.18 | Necrosporus | also it is probably not necessary to replace the door at all |
| 04:51.21 | itsnotabigtruck | keithzg: just flasher it |
| 04:51.33 | itsnotabigtruck | Necrosporus: i bent mine back, it's noticeable where the bend was though |
| 04:51.36 | Necrosporus | is it really needed to use the phone? |
| 04:51.46 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, you mean removing it entirely |
| 04:51.51 | Necrosporus | yeah |
| 04:51.51 | itsnotabigtruck | well, it keeps dust out, and looks nice |
| 04:51.54 | itsnotabigtruck | and it's part of the phone |
| 04:51.54 | keithzg | spoke too soon, suddenly after all this time it's at 2% . . . might as well give it a shot at doing its thing |
| 04:52.00 | itsnotabigtruck | keithzg: heh ok |
| 04:52.03 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, it's very slow |
| 04:52.06 | itsnotabigtruck | took 30 mins for me |
| 04:52.10 | Necrosporus | so it is not necessary at all |
| 04:52.12 | itsnotabigtruck | flashing took 5 mins |
| 04:52.13 | Necrosporus | right? |
| 04:52.28 | itsnotabigtruck | Necrosporus: yeah, it's not vital, just nice to have |
| 04:56.20 | Necrosporus | so it would be stupid to send the phone back and forth just because of usb door |
| 04:57.13 | itsnotabigtruck | right, which is why i ordered some replacement usb doors from a parts shop |
| 04:57.16 | itsnotabigtruck | backordered though :( |
| 05:04.28 | Necrosporus | actually, thats hard to find the list of nokia service centers in russia |
| 05:04.34 | Necrosporus | I didn't |
| 05:21.11 | itsnotabigtruck | is so tired |
| 05:21.13 | itsnotabigtruck | night |
| 07:37.23 | keithzg | Hmm, so 1.2 added podcast support, ostensibly? So how to do I get tracker to index gPodder downloads as podcasts and not as music? |
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| 16:46.48 | xTs | Hey! I'm looking for a twitter app. The one that comes with the N9 sucks. Any suggestions? |
| 16:47.53 | petteri | qneptunea is good |
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| 17:04.15 | xTs | ah, but not in the store |
| 17:04.27 | xTs | I keep it in mind and check regulary :) |
| 17:06.47 | xTs | Another thing that I realized: When I enable bluetooth and connect my phone to my car receiver all audio output seems to be sent there. At least I can't hear anything anymore then |
| 17:07.07 | xTs | when I disable bluetooth sound is back on again |
| 17:07.34 | xTs | (with sound I'm talking about music, navigational messages... |
| 17:07.35 | xTs | ) |
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| 17:38.46 | Dumble | hello every one |
| 17:40.41 | Dumble | I installed the stuff that enables to use MSN/GTalk... accounts on my N9, but it seems that everytime I connect to MSN, it upload my contact list to MSN servers, without asking for my permission, is there a way to prevent this to happen ? |
| 17:47.37 | Dumble | my problem is that it sent every information related to my contacts from my phone to the server, including addresses, phone numbers... |
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| 18:15.11 | itsnotabigtruck | hey dumble |
| 18:15.23 | itsnotabigtruck | you don't actually need extraplugins in order to use gtalk with the n9 |
| 18:15.30 | itsnotabigtruck | that's built in |
| 18:15.57 | itsnotabigtruck | as for MSN, thst's...strange |
| 18:16.03 | itsnotabigtruck | are you sure about that? |
| 18:16.39 | Dumble | yes, I checked on hotmail and I found everything that shouldn't be there :s |
| 18:18.02 | itsnotabigtruck | i need to switch to chrome |
| 18:18.17 | itsnotabigtruck | firefox is really pissing me off and chrome now has a fully functional https everywhere and adblock |
| 18:18.18 | itsnotabigtruck | :D |
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| 18:22.09 | Dumble | this occurred when I merged my contacts in my contact list |
| 18:22.26 | Dumble | I haven't checked if this problem also occurs with gtalk |
| 18:46.13 | ToAruShiroiNeko | itsnotabigtruck chrome for n9? |
| 18:56.49 | itsnotabigtruck | ToAruShiroiNeko: lol, no, that was totally unrelated to the N9 |
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| 19:23.14 | xTs | ToAruShiroiNeko: the GPS problem I talked about yesterday looks like it has something to do with my cellphone mount in the car. Shouldn't have used metal, I guess... |
| 19:24.13 | xTs | but, I'm rebuilding the base with plastic soon |
| 19:25.10 | xTs | and something different, I talked about earlier. When I connect my phone to the car stereo over bluetooth I don't hear any other sound (like music) from its speaker. |
| 19:25.50 | xTs | I guess the audio routing internally is switched completely to the bluetooth audio device (does the N9 use pulseaudio oder simple alsa?) |
| 19:30.29 | ToAruShiroiNeko | hmm |
| 19:30.38 | ToAruShiroiNeko | it may simply be noise in power interfereing |
| 19:30.47 | ToAruShiroiNeko | your car isnt grounded bear that in mind |
| 19:32.04 | ToAruShiroiNeko | xTs you build physial objects for phones? :o |
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| 21:07.11 | xTs | ToAruShiroiNeko: if I have to ;) |
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| 21:11.26 | xTs | ToAruShiroiNeko: I've got something like this in my car: http://www.carhifi-store.de/einbaubilder/EOSBandpass/IMGP0492.jpg |
| 21:11.53 | xTs | see the mount on the right with the cellphone in it? |
| 21:12.10 | xTs | you can put different adapters on it, like: http://img1.classistatic.com/cps/bln/110724/182r1/2439c03_23.jpeg |
| 21:12.40 | xTs | but there's non for the N9 (or any other smartphone, except the iPhone, but who wants an iphone?) |
| 21:14.28 | xTs | that's why I bought a holder from brodit, created an adapter plate and put it there. But the plate is made of aluminum... which I think causes the gps problems |
| 21:16.11 | xTs | http://bild1.qimage.de/original-vw-handy-foto-bild-56807831.jpg here's one with pins and stuff |
| 21:21.31 | xTs | http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5839/ursprungsmall6ji.jpg and here is the mount without an adapter... |
| 21:42.46 | jonni | http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Car-Windshield-Mount-Stand-Holder-CRADLE-W-SUCTION-CUP-Nokia-N9-/280836356100?pt=UK_Holders_Mounts&hash=item416326b804 I got that one for N9 |
| 21:43.32 | jonni | cheap and fits |
| 21:45.44 | xTs | i wanted one with a built-in charger |
| 21:46.20 | jonni | heh yep then you would need to modify and get microusb there somehow |
| 21:46.52 | xTs | well, I've got one :) |
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