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| 03:52.16 | EdLin | OK, maybe this question's more on-topic here. What, if I have the money, would be a better Linux-computer-in-your-pocket device to get, an n900 or n9? Is developer support still good for the n900, or has it all migrated to the n9? |
| 03:53.41 | EdLin | yo! |
| 03:53.44 | EdLin | :( |
| 03:54.22 | itsnotabigtruck | hey EdLin |
| 03:54.36 | itsnotabigtruck | you can't expect people to respond in 2 mins on irc most of the time |
| 03:55.19 | itsnotabigtruck | also this channel isn't really all that active, and most of the people here are europeans |
| 03:55.24 | itsnotabigtruck | = 4 or 5 am in the morning right now |
| 03:55.42 | EdLin | itsnotabigtruck, OK. :) |
| 03:55.49 | itsnotabigtruck | as for N900 and N9, it's kinda split everything down the middle :/ |
| 03:56.02 | itsnotabigtruck | so neither are getting the attention that the N900 once did |
| 03:56.18 | itsnotabigtruck | the N9 has a fairly obnoxious security subsystem, though there's ways around it |
| 03:56.29 | EdLin | yeah, I'm aware of Nokia intentionally f-ing up the N9 marketing. |
| 03:56.33 | itsnotabigtruck | but it means you don't have normal root access like a normal linux system |
| 03:56.38 | EdLin | securiity subsystem? |
| 03:56.44 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, aegis |
| 03:56.48 | EdLin | I basically wanted an open device.... |
| 03:56.52 | itsnotabigtruck | search about it and you'll find no end of bitching about it |
| 03:57.03 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, if you want a phone, buy the N9 |
| 03:57.12 | itsnotabigtruck | it's one damn sleek piece of hardware |
| 03:57.17 | itsnotabigtruck | with a sleek os |
| 03:57.21 | EdLin | I already have a decent phone, though the n9 is very nice. |
| 03:57.30 | itsnotabigtruck | if you want something that acts like a mini-linux computer, get the N900 |
| 03:57.38 | itsnotabigtruck | but the 900 is really clunky and not that practical for a phone |
| 03:57.40 | itsnotabigtruck | imo |
| 03:58.25 | itsnotabigtruck | personally i was tempted by the 900 but skipped it because i didn't want to carry that around in my pocket, then the n9 came out and i was like "once the prices aren't insane i'm buying one of these" |
| 03:58.42 | EdLin | the n9 is a lot lower in price than when released. |
| 03:59.02 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i got mine for $520 and they've dropped in price since then |
| 03:59.13 | itsnotabigtruck | newegg closed out their last inventory for $470 a couple weeks ago |
| 03:59.24 | EdLin | I should have gotten the n900 when they were new at $350 on Amazon. Now the only way to get them "new" (probably refurbished at best) is from some shady dealer in hong kong. |
| 04:00.14 | itsnotabigtruck | :( |
| 04:01.17 | EdLin | does the n9 have repositories and all of that maemo stuff that made it like linux in your pocket? (I have an n810, so I know a little what it's like.) |
| 04:06.16 | itsnotabigtruck | EdLin: yeah, it's got repositories |
| 04:06.32 | itsnotabigtruck | unfortunately there hasn't been much progress into setting up a central one |
| 04:06.57 | itsnotabigtruck | there's the official repo (doesn't have much), the rzr repo (has various libs and things ported to n9) |
| 04:07.18 | itsnotabigtruck | the sdk repo (contains some linux utils that aren't on the other repos, but be careful not to screw up your phone) |
| 04:07.31 | itsnotabigtruck | and the appsformeego repo, which doesn't have anything in it :p |
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| 10:54.11 | ijusten | Hi! |
| 10:55.05 | ijusten | I have the black 64gb N9 and noted that the phone average battery consumption while idle (no programs but the battery monitor on, clock on the screen) is 94mA p |
| 10:55.30 | ijusten | If I understand correctly, the right consumption should be below 20 mA. Has anybody else encountered this problem and how did they solve it? |
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| 11:33.38 | Tronic | ijusten: Can you find out via Battery Usage or top what is consuming all the power? |
| 11:34.33 | ijusten | "Other hardware and services" |
| 11:35.05 | ijusten | Personally I feel like it should give the subprocess as well, but haven't found a better program on the market |
| 11:35.15 | ijusten | only had the phone for three days now |
| 11:36.22 | virtuald | ijusten: http://everythingn9.com/developer-mode-in-nokia-n9/ |
| 11:37.40 | ijusten | virtuald, thanks |
| 11:37.55 | virtuald | thank the google |
| 11:38.53 | ijusten | ok, got terminal now |
| 11:39.07 | ijusten | apparently I can see the subprocess now by writing something on it? |
| 11:39.15 | virtuald | run "top" |
| 11:40.00 | ijusten | I just write: top |
| 11:40.01 | ijusten | ? |
| 11:40.05 | virtuald | and press enter |
| 11:40.28 | virtuald | and it will start the process monitor (text ui) |
| 11:40.46 | ijusten | i'm pretty comfortable with that |
| 11:40.49 | ijusten | let's see |
| 11:42.17 | ijusten | ok, how o i read this? |
| 11:42.49 | virtuald | %CPU column shows cpu usage for the different processess |
| 11:44.04 | virtuald | look for something using a lot of cpu :p |
| 11:44.06 | ijusten | says circa 50% of CPU is in use |
| 11:44.31 | virtuald | and what command is using all the cpu? |
| 11:44.35 | virtuald | i mean half the cpu |
| 11:44.55 | ijusten | 35% goes to /opt/ |
| 11:45.04 | ijusten | but i cant tell the process name |
| 11:45.15 | virtuald | zoom out |
| 11:45.16 | virtuald | :) |
| 11:47.06 | ijusten | sorry, I think I need some sort of tutorial for this |
| 11:47.09 | ijusten | will try to google |
| 11:47.15 | virtuald | you may need to click on the cissors first to change from copypaste mode to scroll mode |
| 11:47.38 | virtuald | pinch to zoom |
| 11:48.07 | virtuald | and make sure you scroll down to the bottom when you're done |
| 11:49.40 | ijusten | meego im ui server |
| 11:50.01 | ijusten | so? that would be all im protocols? |
| 11:50.19 | ijusten | wait, that's 12% |
| 11:50.51 | ijusten | I think i did something wrong here |
| 11:50.53 | ijusten | wait :) |
| 11:52.06 | ijusten | 66.6 top |
| 11:52.58 | ijusten | 25 meego terminal |
| 11:53.37 | virtuald | when you don't touch the phone for a few seconds top and meego terminal shouldn't use much cpu |
| 11:54.18 | ijusten | if I don't touch the phone it shows the bottom line |
| 11:55.35 | ijusten | ok, i think I got the handle of this stuff |
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| 11:55.59 | ijusten | so, meego terminal is the number one cpu user |
| 11:56.16 | ijusten | and the number two is im-uiserver |
| 11:56.34 | ijusten | But I think that meego terminal wouldn't be on if I hadn't started the developer mode, so it can't be that |
| 11:56.52 | ijusten | And surely 10% cpu consumption can't get the phone to use 100 mA when idle? |
| 11:56.57 | virtuald | and does the battery monitoring app still say system is using lots of power when idle? |
| 11:57.24 | ijusten | it says the average current consumption is 201 mA |
| 11:57.33 | ijusten | and Active is 263 mA |
| 11:57.38 | ijusten | and Idle 101 mA |
| 11:58.05 | ijusten | lets turn the communication protocols off |
| 11:58.10 | virtuald | sorry i have no clue what it might be if there's nothing showing up in top |
| 11:58.33 | ijusten | most probably there's something, I just don't know to read it :) |
| 11:59.09 | virtuald | well it should show up on top of the list |
| 12:00.01 | ijusten | it says 34% goes for /opt/, but down the list where it gives processes, can't find what /opt/ crosses with |
| 12:00.46 | virtuald | press q to quit (small q) |
| 12:01.08 | virtuald | typ the command ps aux|grep /opt/ |
| 12:01.55 | ijusten | aux not found |
| 12:02.05 | virtuald | ps aux |
| 12:02.18 | virtuald | ps aux|grep /o<tab> |
| 12:03.16 | ijusten | yes |
| 12:03.21 | ijusten | now there's a small list of entries |
| 12:04.22 | virtuald | apparently this version of ps is crippled and don't show cpu usage |
| 12:04.25 | ijusten | seem to be for the battery usage-app, call recorder and organizer feed |
| 12:05.01 | ijusten | should I assume that these three programs are the source of my grief? |
| 12:05.51 | virtuald | try turning them off one at a time and see if it works |
| 12:06.12 | ijusten | You mean, uninstall them? |
| 12:06.31 | virtuald | or you could kill <pid> |
| 12:06.48 | virtuald | where <pid> is the process id on the beginning of the line |
| 12:07.09 | ijusten | i just type "kill number"? |
| 12:07.10 | ijusten | ok |
| 12:07.15 | virtuald | yeah |
| 12:07.29 | virtuald | it will tell the program to exit |
| 12:07.57 | ijusten | organizer feed refuses to close |
| 12:08.01 | ijusten | ok, lets try the other ones |
| 12:08.22 | virtuald | you can disable it in the menus |
| 12:08.36 | ijusten | I suppose |
| 12:08.45 | virtuald | if that doesn't work than it's most likely hanged |
| 12:08.46 | ijusten | they all said not permitted |
| 12:09.18 | ijusten | well, call recorded went to meet it's maker |
| 12:10.43 | virtuald | kill -9 <pid> is to force the program to close but if it says permission denied or something like that i don't know |
| 12:12.07 | ijusten | ok, I'll try to work it out |
| 12:12.31 | ijusten | it might be that I've just been too free with the options provided |
| 12:12.45 | ijusten | or alternatively it's a bug that might be resolved in 1.2. |
| 12:12.56 | ijusten | If this continues after 1.2 have to look into this again |
| 12:12.58 | virtuald | :) like told it to update twice a second? |
| 12:13.19 | ijusten | well, I tried to keep stuff like that in mind |
| 12:13.26 | ijusten | have the email in one hour cycle |
| 12:13.39 | ijusten | but might not hurt to check the accounts for one more time |
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| 13:16.29 | bambee_ | hi, does skype work well for you ? it worked during a while and suddenly disconnected. Now each time I try to connect to my account I get the following message "unable to connect to skype" |
| 13:16.33 | bambee_ | any ideas? |
| 13:17.04 | bambee_ | I tried with another account and I get the same error (both accounts work fine, I already tried) |
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