IRC log for #n9 on 20120213

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18:03.29*** topic/#n9 is N9 users meet here to chat about typical users' topics like case colors, best offers, hippest apps, screen protectors, etc. Basically all the things that are not development related. Developers will want to join #harmattan. This channel is logged, see ~logs
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18:08.53ToAruShiroiNekoitsnotabigtruck my hostname remains unchanged
18:08.59ToAruShiroiNekoits modified in the file tho
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18:14.00itsnotabigtruckToAruShiroiNeko: by unchanged, you mean it's unchanged on the router, or unchanged on the phone
18:14.05itsnotabigtruckdid you actually run hostname from the terminal
18:14.34itsnotabigtruckthe hostname is what the hostname command prints out...so if that doesn't change it's definitely not going to change on the router
18:17.08itsnotabigtruckhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we507EHP5Tk
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18:24.56ToAruShiroiNekoitsnotabigtruck both
18:25.05ToAruShiroiNekoyes it prints what router reports
18:25.23ToAruShiroiNekorm696
18:26.54itsnotabigtruckToAruShiroiNeko: hmm, maybe it doesn't actually use /etc/hostname...
18:27.35itsnotabigtruckexcept it does...it's right in the script here
18:27.39itsnotabigtruckdid you actually reboot the phone
18:27.43itsnotabigtruckhow did you reboot it
18:27.50ToAruShiroiNekoturn it off and back on?
18:28.17ToAruShiroiNekoI dont exactly have a reboot button
18:34.29ToAruShiroiNekoor maybe this is a console command?
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19:24.39itsnotabigtruckToAruShiroiNeko: back
19:24.44itsnotabigtruckstill around?
19:24.51itsnotabigtrucki said to use the console command: reboot
19:25.14itsnotabigtruckif you powered it off and on while attached to the charger, it may not have actually rebooted
19:25.36itsnotabigtruckif you powered it off and on without being attached to usb/charger, that ought to be good enough, but the hostname should have changed
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20:08.34ToAruShiroiNekoreboot not found
20:09.32ToAruShiroiNekoI actually would really prefer SSHing into my phone
20:09.36ToAruShiroiNekothis is painful to type
20:12.52itsnotabigtruckToAruShiroiNeko: try /sbin/reboot
20:13.07itsnotabigtruckif you want to ssh, just make sure you're connected to a wifi network, then fire up the sdk connectivity tool
20:13.08itsnotabigtruckpress wlan
20:13.16itsnotabigtruckit'll give you an ip and password
20:13.47itsnotabigtruckin putty, enter the ip, connect, use developer as the username and the password it gave you
20:13.54itsnotabigtruckyou need to have putty (windows ssh client)
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20:17.18ToAruShiroiNekoits telling me I need to be root?
20:17.20ToAruShiroiNekowoot!
20:19.42ToAruShiroiNekoport 22 right?
20:21.06ToAruShiroiNekoah that was simple :)
20:22.01ToAruShiroiNekohmm
20:22.05ToAruShiroiNekoseems like its fixed now
20:23.49itsnotabigtruckToAruShiroiNeko: if you want to become root, use the following command
20:23.52itsnotabigtruckdevel-su -c develsh
20:24.17itsnotabigtrucknote that becoming root doesn't give you full root access, only partial access
20:24.56ToAruShiroiNekoyah
20:25.04ToAruShiroiNekoI did that (what you said yesterday)
20:25.10ToAruShiroiNekoI scrolled back up :)
20:25.13itsnotabigtruckhehe
20:25.24ToAruShiroiNekook I edted the host file to include the spaces to see if it works (I am quite curious)
20:25.27itsnotabigtruckanyway, ok, so the hostname's set? now as for the router, it might not update immediately
20:25.29ToAruShiroiNekonow how do I save what I did?
20:25.40ToAruShiroiNekoit was with -
20:25.58itsnotabigtruckby "host file" you mean /etc/hostname or /etc/hosts
20:26.03ToAruShiroiNekohostname
20:26.04itsnotabigtruckyou should probably fix up /etc/hosts to match /etc/hostname
20:26.10itsnotabigtruckalso, don't put spaces in hostnames
20:26.18itsnotabigtrucki'm pretty sure it won't work
20:26.20ToAruShiroiNekoya I will do that once I am able to save and exit :/
20:26.38itsnotabigtruckhostname 'blah blah'
20:26.39itsnotabigtruckhostname: the specified hostname is invalid
20:26.55itsnotabigtruckso if you put a space in the hostname, it won't set it
20:27.00ToAruShiroiNekohow do I save tho?
20:27.04itsnotabigtruck:wq
20:27.09itsnotabigtruckand then load up nano like i mentioned before
20:27.14itsnotabigtruckso i don't have to keep telling you how to use vi
20:27.28ToAruShiroiNekowq? I am on putty console
20:27.33itsnotabigtruckbut you want to save because you just added that damn space, so take that out
20:27.51itsnotabigtruckso you don't have to go through this whole thing *again* when it doesn't work, which it won't
20:28.03ToAruShiroiNekook ok how do I save I chaned it back :/
20:28.14itsnotabigtruckyeah, like in vi, go into command mode (<esc>)
20:28.21itsnotabigtruckthen type colon w q <enter>
20:28.31ToAruShiroiNekonice
20:28.31itsnotabigtruckthat does the same thing as <shift>+ZZ
20:29.23ToAruShiroiNeko[2012-02-13, 00:26:14] <itsnotabigtruck> wget http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/n/nano/nano_2.2.4-1+maemo4+0m6_armel.deb
20:29.23ToAruShiroiNeko[2012-02-13, 00:26:25] <itsnotabigtruck> dpkg -i nano_2.2.4-1+maemo4+0m6_armel.deb
20:29.33ToAruShiroiNekothat right?
20:29.42ToAruShiroiNekowhat will this do though?
20:29.46itsnotabigtruckToAruShiroiNeko: yup, but you have to have wget installed first
20:30.00itsnotabigtruckthat was what the previous steps were for (apt-get update; apt-get install wget)
20:30.02ToAruShiroiNekocan I return back to what I have if I dont like it for whatever the reason?
20:30.14itsnotabigtruckall it does is install another program
20:30.19itsnotabigtruckyou can use either one at any time
20:30.23itsnotabigtruckor get rid of this one if you don't like it
20:30.34ToAruShiroiNekooh it doesnt reinstall the os then
20:30.34ToAruShiroiNekook
20:30.45itsnotabigtruckno, why did you think that :p
20:30.55ToAruShiroiNekomaemo is the new phone I believe
20:30.58itsnotabigtruckit's just installing another app (in this case a text editor)
20:31.04itsnotabigtruckapps come in .deb files
20:31.26itsnotabigtruckalso maemo is the previous version of what comes on the N9
20:31.32itsnotabigtruckN900 = maemo 5
20:31.44itsnotabigtruckN9 = maemo 6 = meego-harmattan
20:31.49ToAruShiroiNekooh
20:32.03ToAruShiroiNekowell thats just confusing :p
20:32.06itsnotabigtruckyup :p
20:32.07ToAruShiroiNekook installed all 3
20:32.13ToAruShiroiNekosimple with the ability to copy paste
20:32.14itsnotabigtruckeven though it's marketed as meego
20:32.23itsnotabigtruckthe N9 is way more maemo than meego
20:32.31itsnotabigtruckthere is a meego OS but it's nothing like what's on the N9
20:33.13itsnotabigtruckin theory maemo was supposed to be merged into meego but that really didn't end up happening
20:33.35itsnotabigtruckanyway, now you can edit files with nano instead of vi
20:33.41itsnotabigtrucklike nano /etc/hostname
20:33.57itsnotabigtrucknano shows all the commands you can do right at the bottom of the screen
20:34.44ToAruShiroiNekonice
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20:35.10ToAruShiroiNekohow do I run it tho?
20:35.17itsnotabigtrucksee above...
20:35.18ToAruShiroiNeko^_^
20:35.22ToAruShiroiNekooh
20:35.23franz`ok, just got my N9 on the mail
20:35.28itsnotabigtruckfranz`: nice
20:35.30ToAruShiroiNekonano in front of them
20:35.35franz`seems I screwed up on cutting th sim card tho
20:35.38itsnotabigtruckyup, just like vi, but nano instead
20:35.39franz`and now my sim tray is stuck
20:35.40franz`wat do
20:35.41itsnotabigtruckfranz`: damn :/
20:35.42franz`lol
20:35.49ToAruShiroiNekofranz` dont call 911
20:35.50itsnotabigtruckyou can probably get a proper microsim from your carrier you know
20:36.02franz`probably
20:36.04ToAruShiroiNekoin my case my provider cut it for me
20:36.14ToAruShiroiNekoput sim card in mouth
20:36.17franz`but how do I get the simtray out, is there any secret way?
20:36.19itsnotabigtrucklol
20:36.21franz`it is not moving
20:36.35itsnotabigtruckfranz`: wiggle it a little bit, being careful not to apply too much force, i guess
20:36.39ToAruShiroiNekofranz` you need to carefully yank it out somehow
20:36.44ToAruShiroiNekowiggle it off
20:36.45franz`lol
20:36.49ToAruShiroiNekosugegstion use tweezers
20:36.54franz`oh good idea
20:36.58itsnotabigtruckit's all about using exactly enough force and no more
20:37.11franz`funny way to start off with a new phone
20:37.12ToAruShiroiNekowhen in doubt, panic
20:37.37itsnotabigtruckfranz`: then go to your carrier and get a proper sim... :P
20:37.44ToAruShiroiNekoI like nano a lot itsnotabigtruck
20:37.51ToAruShiroiNekoits mega good
20:37.51ToAruShiroiNeko:p
20:37.52itsnotabigtrucki guess some carriers charge a lot or don't have microsims
20:37.55itsnotabigtruckToAruShiroiNeko: lol, yay
20:38.06ToAruShiroiNekoI got my microsim for free
20:38.12ToAruShiroiNekoits a regular sim chopped just right
20:38.29itsnotabigtruckwhen i got my N9, i just went down to the at&t store and they issued a microsim
20:38.42ToAruShiroiNekoI stay away from at&t
20:38.44itsnotabigtruckthough i had to wait bloody forever before they did that
20:38.49ToAruShiroiNekoI put an ocean in between me and it
20:38.52itsnotabigtrucklol
20:39.23ToAruShiroiNekoevent horizon of a blackhole isnt too far from new horizons crappy "service"
20:39.32franz`is it known if the N9 has the same microusb issues as the N900?
20:39.43franz`don't want to be less careful than I nee to
20:39.46franz`d
20:42.06ToAruShiroiNekoyou can use laser guidance too :p
20:43.10ToAruShiroiNekoitsnotabigtruck so what to do now? :o
20:43.37itsnotabigtruckToAruShiroiNeko: well, edit /etc/hosts and change rm696 to your new hostname also
20:43.44itsnotabigtruckno reboot needed for this one
20:43.44ToAruShiroiNekoya thats done
20:44.02ToAruShiroiNekothe /etc/hosts is empty btw
20:44.02itsnotabigtruckas for making the router update, d/c and reconnect to the wifi might wok
20:44.07itsnotabigtruckit is?
20:44.14ToAruShiroiNekooh sorry
20:44.19ToAruShiroiNekoI misread it on my phone
20:44.28itsnotabigtrucki thought it's something like 127.0.0.1 localhost yournewhostname
20:44.35itsnotabigtruckpossibly also ::1 localhost yournewhostname
20:44.52ToAruShiroiNeko127.0.0.1 yournewhostname localhost
20:44.57ToAruShiroiNekono ::1's
20:45.05ToAruShiroiNekois n9 even ip6 compatible?
20:45.16itsnotabigtruckyeah, but only if you enable it from the dev mode menu
20:46.59ToAruShiroiNekooh lots of stuff to install
20:48.10ToAruShiroiNekowould it be beneficial to install them all?
20:48.45itsnotabigtruckeh, probably not
20:48.49itsnotabigtruckinstall stuff as you need it
20:49.41ToAruShiroiNekoI kinda want to know how much resource the phone is using so I am installing those
20:49.45ToAruShiroiNekobut I wont install others
20:50.10ToAruShiroiNekomy main problem is my mobline internet plan is astronomical
20:50.40franz`ugh lol
20:50.49franz`my new phone all full of markings alreadyyy
20:50.51franz`:(
20:51.00itsnotabigtruckfranz`: how'd you manage to do that?
20:51.03ToAruShiroiNekofranz` its signed in case stolen
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20:51.16itsnotabigtruckespecially when it comes with a sleeve
20:51.19ToAruShiroiNekofranz` damaged during shipping?
20:51.23franz`nah
20:51.30franz`I mean I'm trying to get the simtray off
20:51.32ToAruShiroiNekodamaged during micro sim card insertion?
20:51.35franz`and it's marking the surroundings
20:51.37franz`yeah lol
20:51.43ToAruShiroiNekoI use the plastic cover
20:51.53ToAruShiroiNekothe plastic of my phone doesnt touch the surface
20:53.26itsnotabigtrucki need to get a proper case
20:53.31itsnotabigtruckbut no one can recommend anything
20:54.04ToAruShiroiNekodo like italians
20:54.11ToAruShiroiNekocement it off and dump it into the sea
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20:58.55franz`http://d.pr/hcHN working now but this will bother me forever
20:58.56franz`oh well
20:59.17franz`I can always wait for an amazon sale to pick up a spare one amirite
20:59.57ToAruShiroiNekoyou are not
20:59.59ToAruShiroiNekoyou could by 2
21:00.01ToAruShiroiNeko:)
21:00.13ToAruShiroiNekoone for each hand
21:00.31ToAruShiroiNekothat way you can call yourself!
21:02.14ToAruShiroiNekoitsnotabigtruck do you know how to modify buttons for the alarm?
21:03.24itsnotabigtruckToAruShiroiNeko: buttons?
21:03.50ToAruShiroiNekoButtons!
21:03.56ToAruShiroiNekoSnoose, Close
21:04.02itsnotabigtruckmodify in what way?
21:04.13ToAruShiroiNekothey are practically on top of each other
21:04.16ToAruShiroiNekoand too small
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21:08.51itsnotabigtruckwell, i think the relevant code is open source, though aegis prevents modifying it
21:08.59itsnotabigtruckso no, can't really do much about it, for now
21:10.02ToAruShiroiNekoI can panic
21:11.04ToAruShiroiNekoso there is something I can do :)
21:12.35itsnotabigtrucklol
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21:34.29ToAruShiroiNekook I have a few questions
21:34.39ToAruShiroiNekoI want to increase the 3 minute liit to the main screen timeout
21:35.00ToAruShiroiNekocan I do this?
21:36.54ToAruShiroiNekoalso I made the setting for phone to close applications if I slide them down
21:36.59ToAruShiroiNekoI cant find that setting again
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22:31.17mgedminToAruShiroiNeko, it's all in the Settings app
22:31.47mgedminSettings -> Device -> Display
22:31.57mgedminthe slide-down-to-close setting was removed in PR 1.1
22:32.06mgedminnow it's hardcoded to always on
22:32.16mgedminthere's an app that lets you change it; I don't remember the name
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