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| 14:31.43 | damaltor | hi everybody |
| 14:31.59 | damaltor | my n9 is doing weird stuff today for appearently no reason |
| 14:32.36 | damaltor | i went to bed last night very late, at about 3 in the morning. the battery was a bit more then 50% full, so i did not charge it. |
| 14:33.14 | damaltor | in the "morning" at about 12o'clock, noon, the battery was so empty that the device was switched off |
| 14:33.21 | damaltor | not even the alarm clock worked |
| 14:33.47 | auenf | had a phone call since you turned it back on? |
| 14:34.15 | damaltor | after charging it for a few minutes, it came back to life. looking at my emails and the time they were synced the last time, the device must have shut down at about 4 in the morning, one hour after seeing that the bat was more than half full |
| 14:34.42 | damaltor | also, my emails do not get synced anymore. even if i try to manually refresh, nothing happens. |
| 14:34.57 | damaltor | the refresh icon doesnt even change to the abort icon |
| 14:35.10 | damaltor | i had a look in my router, which told me that the phone doesnt even try to send data |
| 14:35.44 | auenf | run top in terminal and see if anything is using the cpu constantly (like mine: pulseaudio uses 7% of the cpu when idle after a call) |
| 14:35.47 | damaltor | i even deleted the mail accounts for two of my adresses, and set them up again |
| 14:35.52 | damaltor | did no change anything |
| 14:36.02 | damaltor | thats an idea |
| 14:37.20 | damaltor | nope, nothing interesting in top |
| 14:37.24 | damaltor | 97% idle |
| 14:38.30 | damaltor | i can live with the factthat the device managed to deplete his battery in one hour for some reason. but i want my emails to get synced again o0 |
| 14:40.37 | damaltor | and i have no idea what to do now |
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| 14:46.41 | minimec | damaltor: --> "after charging it for a few minutes, it came back to life." Did you shutdown the system manually and reboot? |
| 14:48.23 | damaltor | yes |
| 14:48.30 | sp3000 | some misc things to try: disconnect charger, reboot, connect charger, try syncing again |
| 14:51.07 | damaltor | tried all of them |
| 14:51.16 | damaltor | rebooted multiple times now |
| 14:51.27 | damaltor | charger or no charger doesnt make a difference |
| 14:52.16 | damaltor | if i connect via 3g instead of wifi, the little icon "3.5g" telling me that i am online is blue at start. i try to sync my emails, and nothing happens. the 3.5g icon even turns white after a while because the internet connection is not needed |
| 14:52.35 | damaltor | ill try to start the mail app via ssh now, maye there is some console output |
| 14:53.11 | mgedmin | mail syncing not working? |
| 14:53.13 | mgedmin | raises hand |
| 14:53.16 | damaltor | haha |
| 14:53.18 | damaltor | yeah |
| 14:53.29 | damaltor | mail syncing not working at all |
| 14:53.32 | damaltor | any ideas= |
| 14:53.34 | mgedmin | also, check with top in an xterm -- is messageserver busily draining your battery at 100% CPU? |
| 14:53.37 | minimec | damaltor: And you do have a working internet connection. Could it be that the date is wrong? My email account only syncs from Mo-Fr, without the weekend? |
| 14:53.40 | sp3000 | check settings > connection > allow background? |
| 14:53.55 | damaltor | mgedmin: no, cpu is 97% idle |
| 14:54.10 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 14:54.15 | damaltor | allow background is enabled, and it also happens if i explicitly klich "refresh" |
| 14:54.24 | damaltor | checking date |
| 14:54.30 | damaltor | date is fine |
| 14:54.39 | mgedmin | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/10/n9-on-sale-in-finland-and-few-other.html |
| 14:54.41 | mgedmin | search for "Perus" |
| 14:55.05 | mgedmin | mail not syncing, message server eating CPU, konttori suggests rm -rf ~/.qmsomethingorother |
| 14:55.09 | mgedmin | I haven't tried that yet |
| 14:55.23 | sp3000 | not in power saving mode (green thing on the battery status) |
| 14:55.27 | sp3000 | ? |
| 14:55.36 | mgedmin | mail on the n9 sucks anyway (no threading, enforced top-posting with no possibility of quote trimming) |
| 14:55.40 | mgedmin | I live without |
| 14:55.45 | damaltor | not in powersaving mod |
| 14:55.54 | damaltor | mail theading will come with pr1.2 |
| 14:56.23 | damaltor | that .qm... thing looks good, but i did not change the sim.. |
| 14:56.41 | damaltor | but as my n9 started to loose set up password a week ago after reflashing, i will try it out |
| 14:57.08 | damaltor | maybe ill try and do change the sim, see what happens |
| 14:57.29 | sp3000 | yeah the quote approach is a bit unfortunate imo |
| 14:57.43 | mgedmin | I never changed sim |
| 14:57.53 | damaltor | i did, but that was a while ago |
| 14:57.55 | mgedmin | I had messageserver eating 100% CPU (noticed by warm N9 and short battery life) |
| 14:58.03 | damaltor | ok changing the sim does not change anything |
| 14:58.06 | mgedmin | I may have hot-plugged the sim once or twice |
| 14:58.14 | damaltor | that is no problem |
| 14:58.14 | mgedmin | I don't think that's the cause in any case |
| 14:58.29 | damaltor | if you look at the sim card holder, there are two small metal contacts |
| 14:58.34 | mgedmin | I did a killall -9 messageserver once or twice |
| 14:58.39 | mgedmin | to stop it draining my battery |
| 14:58.53 | damaltor | as soon as you move the sim card holder, the sim gets shut down |
| 14:59.16 | damaltor | i will kill that messageserver now, just for trying |
| 14:59.27 | damaltor | but a reboot should do the same i guess... nevertheless, ill try |
| 14:59.43 | mgedmin | killing messageserver won't make email work |
| 15:00.23 | damaltor | "no process killed" |
| 15:00.30 | damaltor | looks like mesageserver isnt even running |
| 15:01.22 | damaltor | ok, started messageserver by hand now.. lets see |
| 15:01.48 | damaltor | ok, did not change anything |
| 15:02.06 | damaltor | ill try to start that messageing program vis ssh now, maybe there is a bit of console outpu |
| 15:02.06 | damaltor | t |
| 15:02.43 | damaltor | MApplicationService: regMApplicationService: registerService() registering failed |
| 15:02.43 | damaltor | isterService() registering failed |
| 15:03.02 | damaltor | dont know if that has something to do with the proble, |
| 15:03.34 | sp3000 | or it could be an environment (user/envvars/creds) thing |
| 15:04.05 | damaltor | might be |
| 15:04.24 | damaltor | but as i wanted to resetup my email accounts anyway, i will try to remove that .qml.. whatever thing now |
| 15:08.05 | damaltor | ok.. i guess i will reboot after each step, just to be sure |
| 15:08.25 | damaltor | ...i actually never restart my linux pc, but that phone needs quite a lot of rebooting though.. |
| 15:09.19 | damaltor | brb, need more coffeeee |
| 15:12.26 | damaltor | inside of ~/.qmf were like a thousend files, looking like emails |
| 15:12.35 | damaltor | maybe deleting all them really does help |
| 15:12.53 | mgedmin | did you remove your mail accounts? |
| 15:12.59 | damaltor | yes |
| 15:13.32 | damaltor | also, directly after deleting everything insde .qmf, the os immediately recreates the folder structure and a new empty mail database |
| 15:13.41 | damaltor | ok, rebooting again |
| 15:14.29 | damaltor | (weird: the standby screen still has the little @ below the clock, stating that there is a new mail. i have no mail accounts set up atm |
| 15:15.41 | damaltor | so far, so good. the phone is not going into malf state and booted just fine. i will give it a minute to settle, and then recreate the mail accounts one after another |
| 15:16.19 | damaltor | on app screen next to the clock there is a little @ too. it must really think that there is an email somewhere |
| 15:16.39 | mgedmin | does it show any on the messages screen? |
| 15:17.54 | damaltor | nope |
| 15:18.07 | damaltor | so i set up my first email account now, and it syncs just fine |
| 15:18.14 | damaltor | that was the google mail account |
| 15:18.28 | damaltor | my other email adresses are on my own mail server, lets see if they work, too |
| 15:21.41 | mgedmin | good! |
| 15:21.41 | mgedmin | maybe I'll try the fix too when PR1.2 comes out |
| 15:21.46 | mgedmin | I heard mail will support threading |
| 15:21.58 | damaltor | ok, the emails from my own mail server work fine too |
| 15:22.19 | damaltor | maybe the whole thing got stuck as i moved 10k emails in my gmail account yesterday in the evening |
| 15:22.43 | itsnotabigtruck | btw any speculation on when pr1.2 is supposed to come out? |
| 15:23.05 | damaltor | 29.02 |
| 15:23.21 | damaltor | (in german notation) |
| 15:23.23 | damaltor | :D |
| 15:23.53 | damaltor | http://mynokiablog.com/2012/01/17/nokia-n9-might-get-pr1-2-by-feb-29-maybe-with-pr1-3-tagging-along-and-more/ |
| 15:24.14 | itsnotabigtruck | so a month, got it |
| 15:24.46 | damaltor | yup |
| 15:25.04 | damaltor | it still is a rumor though... but as it rolled out to the n950s i guess it is not too far |
| 15:25.26 | itsnotabigtruck | btw could you guys vote https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=295 up |
| 15:25.39 | itsnotabigtruck | [Bug 295 - Missing S/MIME Support in nokia mail client] |
| 15:26.07 | itsnotabigtruck | wants to be able to decrypt e-mail on the N( |
| 15:26.29 | itsnotabigtruck | and i'm sure lots of other people too, but it certainly won't get any attention without a whole bunch of upvoats |
| 15:27.53 | itsnotabigtruck | damaltor mgedmin ^ |
| 15:28.18 | itsnotabigtruck | i should vote for it too but i haven't set up a bugzilla account yet, i should do that |
| 15:28.23 | damaltor | sure sure |
| 15:29.04 | damaltor | also, remember to vote here everybody: https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=668 |
| 15:30.18 | itsnotabigtruck | sure, i'll add a vote once i set up the aforementioned account |
| 15:53.01 | damaltor | ok i have now added all my email adresses |
| 15:53.06 | damaltor | and have no problems at all |
| 15:53.07 | damaltor | nice |
| 15:53.20 | damaltor | thank you all |
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| 17:26.38 | mgedmin | oh, hey, the wifi hotspot thing on the n9? |
| 17:26.47 | mgedmin | does it create adhoc networks, or infrastructure mode networks? |
| 17:27.04 | mgedmin | I got an android tablet (for work reasons) the other day, and it wouldn't see my N9's wifi network |
| 17:29.45 | itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: adhoc |
| 17:29.56 | mgedmin | I see |
| 17:29.57 | mgedmin | crud |
| 17:39.26 | damaltor | i wonder why it only allows wep and not wpa |
| 17:41.14 | itsnotabigtruck | damaltor: so that the nsa can tap all your traffic |
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| 17:41.24 | damaltor | lol |
| 17:41.40 | damaltor | i just hacked my neighbours web network, just for proof of concept |
| 17:42.00 | damaltor | it took me exactly 125 seconds to capture enough packages |
| 17:42.26 | damaltor | but i must admit that AbCdE is a quite short password |
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| 17:46.42 | itsnotabigtruck | damaltor: just looked into it, apparently the wifi forum doesn't certify wpa+adhoc configurations |
| 17:46.52 | itsnotabigtruck | so silicon vendors can't be arsed to implement it |
| 17:46.52 | damaltor | meh |
| 17:47.00 | damaltor | why is it adhoc anyway |
| 17:47.02 | itsnotabigtruck | the wl1271 chip inside the n9 can't do wpa+adhoc |
| 17:47.10 | damaltor | that destroys the mobile hotspot concept |
| 17:47.12 | itsnotabigtruck | but i've heard it can act as an ap |
| 17:47.38 | itsnotabigtruck | it's probably possible to make a better harder faster stronger wifi hotspot app with infra mode and wpa |
| 17:47.41 | damaltor | so we have to wait for someone writing a piece of code that makes a real hotspot |
| 17:47.49 | damaltor | ....yeah |
| 17:48.27 | damaltor | ..shouldnt that be possible with linux standard tools anyway? |
| 17:50.48 | itsnotabigtruck | damaltor: yeah, i think so |
| 17:51.00 | itsnotabigtruck | just need to make a program to configure everything at once and give it a nice gui |
| 17:51.16 | itsnotabigtruck | and i'm pretty sure aegis doesn't allow that so there's that too |
| 17:53.57 | damaltor | i would try to make a shell script at forst |
| 17:53.59 | damaltor | *first |
| 17:54.12 | damaltor | i _guess_ that that should be possible with some calls to ifconfig |
| 17:54.26 | damaltor | afair there is already a dhcp server onboard |
| 17:56.34 | itsnotabigtruck | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.18 | itsnotabigtruck | well, it would be wpa-supplicant, iwconfig, and iptables, i think |
| 17:58.08 | damaltor | so that should be possible... maybe ill try that later |
| 17:58.19 | damaltor | something else: is there a way to use mount on the n9? |
| 17:58.47 | damaltor | i want to mount a folder on my pc via sshfs, but as "user" and as root i only get permission denied |
| 18:00.01 | itsnotabigtruck | damaltor: nope, mount requires caps that are denied by aegis |
| 18:00.22 | itsnotabigtruck | well, a particular cap, CAP::sys_admin |
| 18:02.06 | damaltor | which would be interesting to have anyway |
| 18:03.27 | damaltor | it definitely is time to kill aegis. if i bought a computer which had some sort of security-through-denial daemon running, i wouldnt accept that either |
| 18:04.35 | mgedmin | fire |
| 18:04.37 | mgedmin | fire kills aegis |
| 18:04.39 | mgedmin | (and the n9 too) |
| 18:06.27 | itsnotabigtruck | hehe |
| 18:07.18 | damaltor | but wasnt aegis cracked some time ago? i think i remember to read some stuff about that |
| 18:08.58 | itsnotabigtruck | nah |
| 18:09.06 | itsnotabigtruck | there is 'open mode' however |
| 18:09.30 | itsnotabigtruck | you can reflash your phone with a kernel that has aegis disabled, as long as you don't mind a scary warning every time you reboot the phone |
| 18:09.30 | damaltor | how open is open mode? |
| 18:09.59 | damaltor | i guess i could live with that |
| 18:10.12 | damaltor | is that mode really open? and do you have some sort of link? |
| 18:11.51 | mgedmin | you lose stuff like access to your SMSes etc |
| 18:11.52 | mgedmin | afaiu |
| 18:12.10 | damaltor | meh.. |
| 18:12.15 | mgedmin | (those are stored in magic aegisfs encrypted storage that you can't touch in open mode) |
| 18:12.20 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/p97e4/whats_something_awful_you_wish_would_happen/c3nkjsa?context=4 |
| 18:12.27 | mgedmin | if you don't want a phone but a small linux box, sure |
| 18:12.38 | itsnotabigtruck | open mode works OK if you wipe the entire phone when going open |
| 18:12.47 | itsnotabigtruck | so you need to transfer everything off 1st |
| 18:13.04 | damaltor | no problem |
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| 21:54.33 | xTs | hi |
| 21:54.56 | xTs | what do I have to do to get swype enabled? It's switched on in the configurations dialog, but not working |
| 21:55.28 | mgedmin | xTs, it's an input method |
| 21:55.40 | mgedmin | you switch between those by swiping left or right |
| 21:55.51 | mgedmin | hopes he didn't get swipe and swype mixed up |
| 21:58.10 | damaltor | xTs: open an application that uses the keyboard, and swIpe from side to side as if you wanted to background the running application, BUT IN THE KEYBOARD AREA |
| 21:58.14 | xTs | there's swype and swipe? |
| 21:58.25 | mgedmin | hehe |
| 21:58.47 | damaltor | swIping = closing/backgrounding apps within the n9 operating system. swYpe = that keyboard you are searching for |
| 22:00.00 | xTs | ah, cool, thanks. |
| 22:00.23 | xTs | makes the twitter app easier ;) |
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