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| 12:28.47 | Tuju | what's the latest n9 firmware? |
| 12:28.49 | Tuju | 1.2? |
| 12:29.32 | petteri | 1.1 |
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| 13:00.07 | jreznik | 1.1 is latest n9 fw, 1.2 to be released soon with ongoing work on 1.3 :) |
| 13:01.14 | CissWit | and i still can't upgrade to 1.1 as one of the repositories configured is down |
| 13:30.57 | Saviq | CissWit, you can always flash |
| 14:56.49 | auenf | the latest version of meego 1.2 harmattan is 1.1 |
| 14:57.02 | auenf | but meego 1.2 harmattan 1.2 isnt far off |
| 14:57.04 | auenf | confused? |
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| 19:20.17 | xTs | Hi. |
| 19:20.39 | xTs | Is there an app or something to tell the N9 not to charge when it's connected to my computer? |
| 19:20.57 | mgedmin | I don't think so |
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| 19:21.59 | xTs | what a pity |
| 19:22.44 | xTs | And is there a plugin for syncing with a cardDAV server then? |
| 19:45.35 | damaltor | i just noticed that youtube obviously has a html5-only player, as i can open the videos in-page on the nokkia n9 in firefox. the phone is far too slow though, so i get only like 1-2 fps :( |
| 19:46.53 | xTs | youtube uses the html5 player not for every video |
| 19:47.10 | damaltor | do you know why? |
| 19:47.35 | xTs | I guess they need some time to convert the old videos |
| 19:47.55 | damaltor | sounds like a good reason |
| 19:48.00 | xTs | if they do at all |
| 19:48.20 | xTs | but I guess it just takes some time for a few million videos... |
| 19:48.28 | damaltor | nevertheless it is useless as youtube player inside firefox is far from usable on the n9 |
| 19:48.41 | xTs | there is an app, iirc |
| 19:49.14 | damaltor | yes there is. in fact t only starts the browser at m.youtube.com |
| 19:49.37 | xTs | oh |
| 19:49.49 | damaltor | videos from the mobile page play fine inside the native video player, but the quality of the videos is terrible. |
| 19:49.58 | damaltor | there was some other youtube player afair |
| 19:50.31 | xTs | oh, I've got an idea how to connect my phone to my computer without charging. But I fear I'll ruin my N9 that way. I take a cable and cut the + wire... |
| 19:50.43 | damaltor | firefox is so well integrated into the n9, that the youtube app actually starts firefox at m.youtube.com :D |
| 19:50.59 | xTs | there'd still be a ground connection and the data lines are connected, too. But no power for charging the battery |
| 19:50.59 | damaltor | xTs: i dont think that that would work :D |
| 19:51.27 | xTs | it's worth a try. Who borrows me his N9 and his USB cable? :D |
| 19:51.27 | mgedmin | xTs, how about you unplug the USB cable? then the n9 won't charge either! ;) |
| 19:52.26 | xTs | mgedmin: well, it's more about not charging at all. With every charge (to full or not) I loose one charging cycle. And if the battery is 90% full, I don't need to charge the phone, when I use it as mass storage device |
| 19:52.47 | damaltor | but well... you have ground connected, so technically it should work. the data lines are differential iirc, so that should not be a problem either. but i do not think that the n9 will start/accept any usb connection without NOTICING it by getting 5V input tho |
| 19:53.09 | damaltor | also, the battery has a huge number of charging cycles, so why do you bother with that anyway? |
| 19:53.14 | xTs | I'd like to use my phone in 3 to 4 years without replacing the battery |
| 19:53.43 | damaltor | ..so what? that is more then sufficent i guess |
| 19:53.50 | xTs | well, from my knowledge it's around 300 to 500 charging cycles until the battery starts degrading |
| 19:54.05 | xTs | I don't know if this is better now, but it's the number I remember |
| 19:54.35 | damaltor | modern lipos are at about a 1000 cycles, maybe 1500. but as you said, that is the point where it starts to degrade... until you notice anything, you will have easily 2500 cacles |
| 19:55.02 | damaltor | and in fact, changing the battery is not hard. i would not bother |
| 19:55.44 | xTs | I saw the handbook for disassembling the phone. Looked like a lot of work |
| 19:56.03 | xTs | Not hard if you're familiar with electronics. But still some work |
| 19:56.07 | damaltor | remove two screws, pop out display, replace battery, reverse. |
| 19:56.14 | xTs | hm |
| 19:56.20 | damaltor | doesnt sound hard to me |
| 19:56.36 | damaltor | i have the servicehandbook somewhere |
| 19:56.45 | xTs | ok, I saw the handbook a few weeks ago. Maybe I just remember all the steps to fully dismantel it *g* |
| 19:57.08 | damaltor | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4815558/Nokia_N9_RM-696_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1.0.pdf |
| 19:57.33 | xTs | thank you! |
| 19:57.36 | damaltor | you dont want to disassemble everything, just a few parts |
| 19:57.49 | xTs | :) |
| 19:58.37 | xTs | I just remember my old phone I had before. It was about 6 years old, but I was carefull with the battery so it lasted around a week with a single charge |
| 19:59.09 | damaltor | actually there is a metal shield held with a few screws over the battery. i dont think that this would stop us |
| 20:00.15 | damaltor | i am working with lipo battery for quite a while now, i am an electronics engineer. they are far better then people think, but that heavily depends on the quality of the charger |
| 20:00.33 | xTs | well, I created an adapter plate for my car kit to charge it in my car |
| 20:00.58 | xTs | well, I just remember lipos from my time when I built modell planes |
| 20:01.10 | xTs | they were great |
| 20:01.16 | xTs | and back then it was around 300 charges |
| 20:01.24 | damaltor | that was not much, thats true |
| 20:01.26 | xTs | which meant around 2 years |
| 20:01.42 | damaltor | but they have become better since then |
| 20:01.43 | xTs | and yeah, I'd buy a car running on lipos, if I could afford it :) |
| 20:01.53 | xTs | (have you seen the Delorean DMC? ;) |
| 20:01.57 | damaltor | we all would i guess |
| 20:02.31 | xTs | not all. But I was so lucky to drive a Mercedes A class with their "E-Cell" drive. |
| 20:02.47 | xTs | They didn't let me take it home :( |
| 20:03.28 | xTs | well, I still want to try the usb cable |
| 20:04.08 | xTs | they're cheap and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't hurt as long as I don't cut the ground cable |
| 20:04.50 | xTs | oh, one more question about the USB port. Is the USB chipset like the one in the n900? |
| 20:10.32 | damaltor | i dont know |
| 20:11.34 | xTs | the n900 was great. You could use the device as mass storage, but plug in a keyboard or any other usb device... |
| 20:11.39 | damaltor | but i do know that most usb chipsets are powered directly from the usb port of the host system (= computer), so that they do not use any energy while not connected. i dont think that it would hurt your phone to try it, but i dont think that it would work either |
| 20:11.41 | xTs | *could |
| 20:12.16 | damaltor | but if the n9 ever gehts usb otg, the chipset must be powered fromn the phone... so, tell me if ir worked :D |
| 20:13.01 | xTs | damaltor: "gehts"? Let me guess... german? ;D |
| 20:13.29 | damaltor | yeah :D |
| 20:13.30 | vsync | wie gehts? |
| 20:13.39 | damaltor | mir gehts gut :D |
| 20:13.39 | xTs | lol |
| 20:14.14 | xTs | hehe |
| 20:14.36 | xTs | ok, let me see, if I find a usb hub here |
| 20:14.47 | damaltor | unfortunately the n9 cummunity is (now) very small, so the german community is even smaller. the phone doesnt get sold here either.. so usually all german stuff is in austrian forums |
| 20:14.59 | vsync | The problem with electric cars really isn't the output but the input |
| 20:15.09 | damaltor | nokia.at even has a support site for the n9, while nokia.de does not |
| 20:15.11 | xTs | mhm. And microsoft payed 500 million USD for that. |
| 20:15.23 | xTs | oh |
| 20:15.25 | xTs | *250 |
| 20:15.32 | xTs | nokia is a cheap whore ;P |
| 20:15.50 | damaltor | vsync: i know.. a usb cable simply is not enough for that. would be funny though, let me just plug my car into my notebook to charge it |
| 20:15.58 | xTs | and every second comment on an app is in Russian... |
| 20:16.05 | vsync | if there'd be a battery technology that would allow the battery the store more of the current going in via braking with the engine (generator), the radius would get bigger |
| 20:16.10 | vsync | damaltor no i didn't mean that =p |
| 20:16.17 | vsync | though that'd be a good bonus |
| 20:16.21 | damaltor | also, plug the notebook back into the car charger, so we have infinite energy |
| 20:16.50 | damaltor | ..awesome idea. if i was not an engineer, i would think i could get rich and famous with that idea |
| 20:16.58 | vsync | I'm not sure if it was matsushita or which company it was, but they claim to have developed a really fast-charge battery |
| 20:17.03 | xTs | vsync: I drive every day 30 km to work and 30km back. A current electrical car would be enough for me... |
| 20:17.19 | vsync | true, but they still suck, big time- |
| 20:17.19 | xTs | zinc-air? |
| 20:17.49 | xTs | well, there was a news about redox reflow batteries a few days ago |
| 20:17.50 | vsync | the practicality-vs-price is more or less... crap |
| 20:17.56 | xTs | true |
| 20:18.25 | xTs | but from 0 to 100 km/h in less than 4s... is something worth the priece *g* |
| 20:18.47 | damaltor | actually a car having enough electrical energy for 50 km would be enough for more or less 80% of all people, as one usually does not eed more |
| 20:19.21 | vsync | well it's just that the electrical engine pretty much has max torque from the get-go |
| 20:19.50 | vsync | damaltor well, sure for commuting |
| 20:19.51 | damaltor | this is an interesting concept, some kind of battery-change-on-the-go if your battery is empty |
| 20:19.57 | xTs | that's why you can use an engine with less power |
| 20:19.59 | vsync | but holiday-time is very much different |
| 20:20.00 | damaltor | (german though) http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/eco/akku-austausch-elektroauto-1325568.html |
| 20:20.03 | damaltor | but see the video |
| 20:20.16 | vsync | and no, wasn't zinc-air. Gotta google the tech i was talking about... mmm |
| 20:20.52 | xTs | damaltor: you mean BetterPlaces |
| 20:21.05 | xTs | and the concept is interesting, but I wouldn't invest in it |
| 20:21.30 | xTs | battery technology is developed pretty fast right now |
| 20:21.41 | damaltor | i guess it would take ages and a gazillion dollars to get battery exchange network running |
| 20:22.20 | xTs | let me look for the latest report about redox-reflow batteries |
| 20:22.43 | xTs | and while I'm searching you can have a look at this: http://green.autoblog.com/2012/01/24/pg-elektrus-is-yet-another-crack-at-electrifying-a-lotus-elise/ |
| 20:22.45 | xTs | *g* |
| 20:24.10 | xTs | it remembered my of something... what's your first thought, when you see that car? |
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| 20:25.06 | xTs | http://green.autoblog.com/2012/01/12/ibm-developing-air-battery-with-500-mile-range/ lithium-air |
| 20:25.31 | xTs | where's the redox-reflox story? hm |
| 20:26.06 | DrGrov | I must say I am extremely surprised about the N9 and its battery consumption. Have had the screen brightness set to 50%, dual mode on, background data always on and uptime was about 19h before I started charging. No calls at all, just sitting idle with low power mode + lpsmagic and the battery drain was 64%. Started at 93% and finished at 29%. I had two restarts from 100% and then when I started the monitoring it was 93% |
| 20:27.10 | DrGrov | So 64% consupmtion with a phone almost completely idle in roughly 19h does not sound all that great |
| 20:28.25 | xTs | that's not right |
| 20:28.41 | xTs | My battery lasts for >4 days |
| 20:28.47 | DrGrov | Well that is right |
| 20:28.56 | DrGrov | I monitored it by having lpsmagic telling me uptime |
| 20:29.09 | DrGrov | Do you keep on background data as always on? |
| 20:30.54 | xTs | hm, ok, please explain what "background data" means. I've got my N9 for just two weeks and I use the german language pack |
| 20:32.26 | DrGrov | Ok, there is a setting in Settings -> Internet connection -> Allow background data. If it is on it fetches email etc. without needing to turn it on always. But having it off means it only uses data when you as a user specify it to use. Ex. open the mail client and refresh or opening a web page. |
| 20:32.55 | xTs | vsync: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Redox-Flow-Batterien-geschrumpft-1418594.html (sorry, german, but you speak it, right?) |
| 20:33.15 | DrGrov | Well I understand German, speak it no |
| 20:33.24 | xTs | DrGrov: ah, now I know, what you mean. |
| 20:33.33 | xTs | yes, it fetches mails for me and stuff like that |
| 20:34.09 | DrGrov | But your battery still keeps for about 4 days? |
| 20:35.26 | xTs | yes |
| 20:37.27 | DrGrov | Ok, I will have to look into this once I get the phone fully charged |
| 20:38.50 | blueslee | 4d with which phone?:-) |
| 20:39.09 | blueslee | xTs: did you replaced the battery? |
| 20:39.13 | xTs | no |
| 20:39.22 | damaltor | i have background data always oon, too. 4 email adresses and a mfe account updated every 20 minutes, 3 feeds also updating. after a day of "normal use" which is like 3-4 emails, a few sms, and about 20-40 minutes of caling i still have 45% left |
| 20:39.26 | blueslee | i have only about 2d |
| 20:40.16 | damaltor | i tryed to let the phone just sit there for one day, and had like 70% left. |
| 20:40.19 | blueslee | i have 2 feeds, 2 mail accounts, twitter, mobile data=gsm |
| 20:40.33 | xTs | well, I'm not updating that often, just one mail account, calendar |
| 20:41.21 | blueslee | interesting, 4d are really good, 3d would also be good |
| 20:41.21 | xTs | a few phone calls, but often with bluetooth from my car |
| 20:41.27 | xTs | some sms |
| 20:41.29 | damaltor | i usually charge every second night |
| 20:41.50 | xTs | I'm still used to my old charging cycles from my S65 ;) |
| 20:42.16 | damaltor | atm, the phone is at 19% after 60 hours w/o charge |
| 20:42.47 | damaltor | my trusty blackberry 9700 could live with one charge per week though :/ |
| 20:43.33 | vsync | I usually charge every second night too. And my typical day consists of around 1-2 hrs of browsing through 3g, couple of sms, and 30-45 mins of calls |
| 20:44.49 | xTs | well, I've got a computer with internet connection on my desk all day. :) |
| 20:45.08 | xTs | With navigation and browsing, twitter and stuff I can get it down to a few hours ;) |
| 20:45.19 | vsync | i haven't |
| 20:45.40 | xTs | it's all about usage. I don't need it so often. That's the trick |
| 20:49.21 | vsync | true, but I'm sort of mobile. I actually need it quite often, otherwise I probably wouldn't have bought a "smartphone" |
| 20:49.30 | vsync | (which is a term i really hate) |
| 20:50.08 | damaltor | !! |
| 20:50.11 | damaltor | +1 on that |
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| 20:52.48 | xTs | "actually computers are pretty dumb" ;) |
| 20:53.20 | vsync | depends on the definition of dumb, but true in general I suppose |
| 20:53.34 | xTs | damaltor: ok, I studied the Service Manual. There're 11 screws to get the battery out ;) |
| 20:54.11 | xTs | well, they're still working mostly in a single loop on a von Neumann or Harvard achitecture ;) |
| 20:54.52 | damaltor | :D yeah i didnt remember that metal shield. shouldne be a hard work though |
| 20:55.31 | xTs | :) |
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| 21:25.44 | Whirly_bird_driv | Greets |
| 21:49.13 | xTs | so, the forum says: Host-mode is possible by the hardware. Just the software doesn't support it yet |
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