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| 01:37.06 | damaltor | hi everybody. i am searching for hours now, but i cant fin it out: with the latest software, the n9 should be able to use folders on the homescreen. am i wrong with this, or do i simply not find the right way to create a folder? |
| 01:38.23 | mgedmin | first time I hear about homescreen folders |
| 01:40.18 | damaltor | you sure? i googled for a while, and i find los of blog entries like this one: http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/10/17/n9-pr1-2-to-add-folders-to-the-home-screen-universal-copypaste-and-more/ |
| 01:40.46 | damaltor | but no tutorial on how to use them |
| 01:46.34 | mgedmin | pr1.2 is not out yet, afaiu |
| 01:46.49 | mgedmin | this sounds like a preview of things to come |
| 01:47.10 | damaltor | but global c&p is in now, and swipe down to clos ist default, too |
| 01:47.35 | damaltor | i thought 1.1.1 and 1.2 are like the same :P |
| 01:47.56 | damaltor | ok then, ill wait for it. i think this is a definitively missing feature right now. |
| 01:48.07 | damaltor | is there any known date when the update will be rolled out? |
| 01:48.37 | mgedmin | I think nokia is pretty smart in never announcing release dates |
| 01:48.44 | mgedmin | that way they never miss a deadline ;) |
| 01:49.44 | damaltor | true words.. |
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| 12:13.00 | b00^portal | anyone here knows how to re-set root password on the N9 , devel mode, pls pm me ... |
| 12:28.20 | jonni | b00^portal: 2 easy ways. either install opensh and run passwd in opensh shell (as it starts as root uid 0), or use rescue kernel/initrd and edit wanted passwd hash directory to mounted etc/passwd file. |
| 12:55.18 | marsje | or reflash the thing, which is what I did |
| 16:03.39 | damaltor | hi everybody. i am coming to you with another problem. i did just set up 3 email adresses (imap4+smtp), alle of them are on the same (my) mailserver. while imap is working fine and i can receive emails, i cant send emails at all. i always get an error thet the smtp server cannot be reached. i triple checked the setup, wich is definitely correct. the same settings do work in thunderbird, too.after googling for a while, i found out that there are multi |
| 16:03.40 | damaltor | ple users habing this problem since updateing to 1.1. is there a known solution? |
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| 16:28.07 | b00^portal | jonni, for the option 1, 'install opensh', you saying, i can just apt-get install it, and it will solve it ? |
| 16:28.14 | b00^portal | ok, im trying this ... |
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| 16:44.17 | aparaatti | hi, anyone know if there's somewhere app that turns N9 to a bluetooth remote controlo for linux? |
| 16:49.28 | b00^portal | jonni, 'opensh', did you perhaps mean 'openssh' ? |
| 16:53.48 | aparaatti | or anyone have anyideas how to control vlc or totem from the phone... there's apps based on the computer IP, but I guess it won't play well with DHCP. |
| 16:54.28 | damaltor | b00^portal: openssh should work, if you want to ssh into your phone. |
| 16:54.44 | damaltor | aparaatti: du you want the phones screen visible on the computer or vice versa? |
| 16:55.12 | b00^portal | damaltor, no, im trying to do what jonni said, reset the root pass |
| 16:55.21 | b00^portal | i think his method 1 is not working |
| 16:55.41 | damaltor | b00^portal: oh ok, i just did that too. i lost the root password two days ago. |
| 16:55.45 | aparaatti | damaltor: I was think more of a keyboard kind of thing |
| 16:56.11 | damaltor | aparaatti: so you want to typo on your pc and want the letters to show up on the n9? |
| 16:56.20 | aparaatti | damaltor: vice versa |
| 16:56.20 | b00^portal | damaltor, so what did you do ? |
| 16:56.24 | damaltor | b00^portal: ok are you using linux on your home computer? |
| 16:56.44 | b00^portal | have both |
| 16:56.54 | damaltor | ok, then use linux. it is far easier |
| 16:56.59 | b00^portal | and ? |
| 16:57.28 | damaltor | make a new folder somewhere you will find it again, and open a console on that point. |
| 16:57.39 | damaltor | in the meantime, unplug your phone and switch it off |
| 16:58.05 | b00^portal | ok |
| 16:58.20 | damaltor | download this into that folder: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/n950liberator/vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptation-n950-bootloader |
| 16:58.48 | damaltor | then, download this, also in that folder: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/n950liberator/initrd.img-rescue-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-n950 |
| 16:59.37 | damaltor | are you using a 64 bit system? |
| 16:59.54 | b00^portal | yea |
| 17:00.07 | damaltor | ok, then download this onto your computer, and install the deb package: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=flasher_3.12.1_amd64.deb |
| 17:00.17 | aparaatti | I want to control video player using the phone as remote control. Theres at least bluemaemo that seems to do the thing, but I have no idea if I can use it on N9... |
| 17:00.35 | b00^portal | damaltor, this is not a debian based system |
| 17:00.39 | damaltor | aparaatti: oh sorry, then i can help you with that. why dont you just try it out? |
| 17:00.54 | b00^portal | yea, i have a virtual debian |
| 17:00.59 | b00^portal | can try that |
| 17:01.06 | b00^portal | what do I need to connect to it ? |
| 17:01.14 | b00^portal | n9 using usb ? |
| 17:01.22 | aparaatti | damaltor: I have no idea how :), but it could work? |
| 17:01.28 | damaltor | yes, usb it is |
| 17:01.44 | damaltor | you could also take this package and unpack it into the folder the other files are in: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz |
| 17:02.02 | b00^portal | yea |
| 17:02.30 | damaltor | try to run the binary "flasher" without arguments, if you do not get an error, we are nearly done |
| 17:03.24 | damaltor | tell me if it worked when you are done |
| 17:04.02 | b00^portal | ok, 5 mins |
| 17:04.18 | damaltor | are you good in working with the console? you will have to mount a partition and edit a file on command line |
| 17:05.06 | damaltor | otherwise i will tell you step by step, so that is not a big problem |
| 17:05.58 | damaltor | i guess if the bnary from the .tar.gz package does work, you would not have to use your virtual debian |
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| 17:11.56 | aparaatti | I got tar.gz and .dsc files, is it possible to install from then with a decent amount of work? |
| 17:12.16 | damaltor | the .dar.gz file should have a readily usable binary in it |
| 17:12.28 | damaltor | just unpack the file "flasher" into the said directory |
| 17:14.04 | aparaatti | damaltor: said directory? |
| 17:14.12 | b00^portal | damaltor, do you have a 32bit deb by any chance ? |
| 17:14.34 | damaltor | b00^portal: i have a 32 bit deb, just a sec |
| 17:15.16 | damaltor | aparaatti: sorry, i didnt read your nick and thought b00^portal was fighting with the flash tool. you should try to unpack the tar.gz and lokk what is inside :D |
| 17:15.29 | damaltor | b00^portal: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=flasher_3.12.1_i386.deb |
| 17:17.35 | jonni | b00^portal: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/opensh/opensh.deb meant about that |
| 17:18.01 | aparaatti | damaltor: ok... there's bluemaemo-0.3/ directory and it has debian, icons, images and scripts sub folders. In the root of bluemaemo-0.3/ there's many python files... |
| 17:19.07 | damaltor | aparaatti: ok.. that looks good. but i am starting to mix you both up, so lets fix b00^portal's root password first, and after that i will have a look at your problem, though i cannot say now if i can help you |
| 17:19.18 | damaltor | b00^portal: did the package install now? |
| 17:19.28 | aparaatti | damaltor: ok... and sorry for messing |
| 17:19.34 | damaltor | np, not your fault |
| 17:19.43 | jonni | b00^portal: just allow 3rd party debs, and install the deb by downloading deb with webbrowser, open terminal and run "opensh" and then "passwd" |
| 17:20.29 | DrGrov | I got a quick question about 3rd party .deb files but I will take it later once you guys have the root password thingie fixed and the other problem :) |
| 17:22.54 | b00^portal | damaltor, nonoe of the debs want to be installed on my ubuntu, let me try the tar.gz file .. |
| 17:23.51 | damaltor | try to use the tar.gz file on your local system, not on the virtual one |
| 17:33.33 | damaltor | b00^portal: you still there? |
| 17:33.37 | damaltor | whats wrong? |
| 17:33.46 | b00^portal | sorry mate, i |
| 17:33.55 | b00^portal | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.02 | b00^portal | they all turned out as txt files |
| 17:34.09 | damaltor | oh crap |
| 17:34.26 | damaltor | but that is not a big problem, you can rename them. just remove the ".txt" at the end |
| 17:37.11 | b00^portal | damaltor, no , inside files they all html, |
| 17:37.14 | b00^portal | not debs, not tars |
| 17:37.17 | damaltor | lol |
| 17:37.19 | damaltor | crap |
| 17:37.21 | b00^portal | yea |
| 17:37.26 | b00^portal | just doing it again |
| 17:37.27 | b00^portal | np |
| 17:38.37 | damaltor | how did you notice that your root pw is wrong? by using devel-su? |
| 17:40.03 | b00^portal | yes |
| 17:40.05 | b00^portal | I've changed it |
| 17:40.09 | b00^portal | and immediately after that, |
| 17:40.11 | b00^portal | it did not work |
| 17:40.14 | damaltor | ah k lol |
| 17:40.15 | b00^portal | but the 'user' one did |
| 17:40.28 | b00^portal | i used some chars like, i think, _, ^ |
| 17:40.33 | b00^portal | and that probably was NOt ok |
| 17:40.38 | damaltor | so, if we got this all done, both passwords will be reset to "rootme" |
| 17:40.55 | damaltor | but first you will have to get the files into a folder :D |
| 17:41.01 | b00^portal | k |
| 17:41.21 | damaltor | how about downloading them directly on the console with wget? that shoud make sure that tey are not getting wrong |
| 17:43.42 | b00^portal | that is what i did originally |
| 17:43.47 | b00^portal | then, with firefox |
| 17:43.50 | b00^portal | ssame crap |
| 17:43.56 | damaltor | wtf |
| 17:44.07 | damaltor | should i send you the files via email or something? |
| 17:44.17 | damaltor | did i get the links wrong? just a sec |
| 17:44.32 | damaltor | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/n950liberator/vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptation-n950-bootloader |
| 17:48.15 | b00^portal | better |
| 17:48.48 | damaltor | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/n950liberator/initrd.img-rescue-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-n950 |
| 17:50.15 | b00^portal | better |
| 17:50.50 | damaltor | ok |
| 17:50.54 | damaltor | now for the flash tool |
| 17:51.08 | damaltor | go here, and klick accept: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
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| 17:51.52 | damaltor | now scroll down to the flasher_(version).tar.gz package, and open it with some unpacking tool |
| 17:58.15 | b00^portal | damaltor, yes, got the files |
| 17:58.16 | b00^portal | better |
| 17:58.20 | b00^portal | so what are the steps now ? |
| 17:58.22 | damaltor | good. |
| 17:58.24 | b00^portal | could you list how you flash it ? |
| 17:58.27 | b00^portal | but, btw - |
| 17:58.32 | damaltor | do you have the flasher file unpacked? |
| 17:58.34 | b00^portal | what jonni says, worked :) with opensh |
| 17:58.39 | b00^portal | i did reset it :) |
| 17:58.47 | b00^portal | Still want to know how to flash the thing |
| 17:59.04 | damaltor | haha lol :D so opensh can change the password too? |
| 17:59.12 | damaltor | thats good to know |
| 17:59.23 | b00^portal | damaltor, turns out so, at least for know |
| 17:59.33 | b00^portal | til lthey closed the 'hole' ? not sure |
| 17:59.45 | b00^portal | damaltor, so whats next in your plan ? |
| 17:59.49 | b00^portal | flash the device ? |
| 17:59.49 | damaltor | so, if you have the flash tool, type the following while your phone is UNplugged |
| 17:59.51 | damaltor | sudo flasher --load -k vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptation-n950-bootloader -n initrd.img-rescue-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-n950 --boot |
| 18:00.06 | b00^portal | and then ? |
| 18:00.11 | jonni | thats not a hole, every 3rd party app can get root UID on devel mode. |
| 18:00.13 | b00^portal | this is rescue boot ? |
| 18:00.25 | damaltor | if you connect up your switched off phone now, you will load an alternative kernel image into the ram (not the flash) |
| 18:00.26 | b00^portal | jonni, ah , i see , sweet |
| 18:00.38 | b00^portal | aha, just to ram only |
| 18:00.56 | damaltor | the phone will boot (without a visible os on the display), and your computer will show three paritions ready to mount |
| 18:01.04 | damaltor | one of them is the system partition, rootfs |
| 18:01.09 | b00^portal | yea |
| 18:01.27 | damaltor | if you use sudo on your computer, you can edit all files on te partition, e.G. /etc/passwd to reset your root pass |
| 18:02.08 | damaltor | so, by using this way, you bypass the root password on the phone by making it show the root partition to your computer |
| 18:02.20 | damaltor | after editing files, unmount all drives, and unplug your phone |
| 18:02.50 | b00^portal | ah, i see, so i can just wipe-out the passwd entry for root |
| 18:02.55 | b00^portal | and then turn off nicely |
| 18:03.00 | damaltor | yes |
| 18:03.12 | b00^portal | damaltor, can i also disable all the aegis (or whats it called) guard that way |
| 18:03.17 | damaltor | or alternatively i woul have given you the correct line for the standard password "rootme" |
| 18:03.18 | b00^portal | so that I can install any kernel driver I want ? |
| 18:03.47 | b00^portal | damaltor, ok, gimme the line |
| 18:04.11 | b00^portal | never hurts to have it all |
| 18:04.28 | damaltor | i guess you could, as you have full write permission onto the root filesystem. i do not know how though, and there is some sort of checking of files. this _can_ make ur phone unusable, the so called MALF state, wich can be solved the same way |
| 18:04.39 | damaltor | the line is: root:SU.odxvRwp3Vs:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh |
| 18:04.59 | damaltor | with this line in the /etc/passwd, you will have the password "rootme" again |
| 18:05.21 | damaltor | i actually have this trick from jonni, who showed me this site: http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state |
| 18:05.40 | damaltor | it originally was made to fix the MALF state, but helped me to edit /etc/passwd |
| 18:05.46 | b00^portal | yea, jonni knows a thing or 2, doesnt he :) |
| 18:05.51 | damaltor | definitely |
| 18:06.57 | damaltor | so, long story short, by using these files you can temporary load an alternative kernel and rescue initrd, wich will make the phone expose the root filesystem to your computer |
| 18:07.28 | b00^portal | yea, got that |
| 18:07.43 | damaltor | what you do with it is up to you, i personally started with a backup |
| 18:08.07 | b00^portal | well i did back it all up before I re-set the whole device in the hope to reset the root pass that way |
| 18:08.21 | b00^portal | right, need to save the MALF url you gavemm |
| 18:08.28 | b00^portal | gave, in case I try something bad |
| 18:08.52 | damaltor | if you mess with the wrong files, the phone will come into a malf state and wont boot as far as i know. you can then do this trick again, delete the MALF indication file and reset the files you messed up |
| 18:09.29 | b00^portal | sweet |
| 18:09.36 | damaltor | definitely |
| 18:09.43 | b00^portal | how does that check mechanism work ? |
| 18:10.03 | damaltor | i have no idea. afaik it is a sha1 sum generated on essential files |
| 18:10.20 | b00^portal | but the hashses stored in hardware ? |
| 18:10.25 | b00^portal | some secure chip? |
| 18:10.26 | damaltor | but i have no idea where the "correct" checksums are stored |
| 18:10.56 | damaltor | maybe ask the Nemo guys, they changed nearly the whole system so i guess they know where |
| 18:11.04 | b00^portal | he he |
| 18:11.14 | b00^portal | well for today i m very happy to get my root back |
| 18:11.22 | damaltor | i know that feeling |
| 18:11.29 | b00^portal | i has this from lastt year as a problem, now at least I can access to the /devs i wanted |
| 18:11.51 | damaltor | i usually go into the phone by using ssh with the "user" account, and then use devel-su |
| 18:12.20 | b00^portal | well thats what i was doing but i changed root pass, as i said |
| 18:12.36 | damaltor | btw, if you put the same password hash into the line of "user" into /etc/passwd, you can reset the password for "user", too |
| 18:12.43 | b00^portal | i mean the whole thing you were helping me with happend because i did not follow the '5 to 8 chars, alphanum' |
| 18:12.53 | damaltor | so the username user will have the pasword rootme, too. |
| 18:13.33 | damaltor | 5 to 8 chars, numbers, characters, and _ is allowed afaik. - and ! will work too, but ^ is a bit risky |
| 18:13.47 | b00^portal | ah, ok |
| 18:13.56 | b00^portal | i guess I can try the understore as we speak :) |
| 18:14.38 | b00^portal | ok, works |
| 18:14.53 | b00^portal | so I musth ave put ^, and somehow something went bong |
| 18:14.58 | mgedmin | prefers 'ssh keys' and doesn't set a user password at all |
| 18:15.08 | damaltor | i have a ! in my password, wich is not "officially" allowed, but does work |
| 18:15.12 | b00^portal | well , and it was like pas 23:00, my eyes were half closed too |
| 18:15.30 | damaltor | haha |
| 18:15.36 | damaltor | that is a risk too |
| 18:15.47 | b00^portal | so the MALF state .. |
| 18:15.52 | b00^portal | damaltor, did you get it on your N9 ? |
| 18:15.56 | b00^portal | did you void the warranty ? |
| 18:16.14 | damaltor | no, i just read some things about it after resetting my root pw |
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| 18:22.49 | b00^portal | hmm, sync and connect doesnt seem to work same after the firmware upgrade |
| 18:22.53 | b00^portal | to latest |
| 18:36.17 | aparaatti | I off. Cheers |
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| 19:03.03 | damaltor | b00^portal: works fine for me |
| 19:04.05 | b00^portal | damaltor, i've re-installed nokia link, now it back to working |
| 19:04.34 | b00^portal | hmm |
| 19:04.53 | b00^portal | whats crappy about the way backups are created, is that the game saves / settings don't get saved :(* |
| 19:05.04 | b00^portal | my very importannt angry bird progress did not get saved |
| 19:09.54 | damaltor | lol |
| 19:10.07 | jonni | you backup doesnt backup angrybirds, you need to backup those files manually with tar |
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| 19:15.09 | TurboVomit | http://www.leboncoin.fr/telephonie/275623138.htm?ca=15_s |
| 19:15.23 | TurboVomit | did you know that kind of nokia n9 ? |
| 19:26.21 | mgedmin | wow, what is that thing |
| 19:26.24 | mgedmin | it's not a n9 for sure |
| 19:29.40 | npm | Bluetooth powercord :-) : http://www.tuaw.com/2012/01/12/smart-cord-may-be-the-simplest-app-on-the-store-its-an-on-off/ |
| 19:44.12 | damaltor | nokia n9 with keyboard |
| 19:44.20 | damaltor | looks funny.. and ugly.. but somehow usable |
| 19:44.59 | damaltor | google reverse image search doesnt find anything to it |
| 19:45.07 | damaltor | so, for the moment, i call fake |
| 19:46.01 | damaltor | lol @ npm, i thought someone would try to charge his phone via bluetooth :P |
| 19:51.56 | npm | i was thinking of using phone as remote contol when entering room. or light could turn on as soon as paired device enters range. |
| 19:53.07 | vsync_ | lol@aple |
| 19:54.15 | npm | that would be a cool feat. on play-360 like device w/ an added plug-- a bluetooth prox-sensor to turn on/off your monitor/tv/whatever |
| 19:56.01 | npm | biggest apple lol is that the scene outside of "unfollow" ( http://player.youku.com/player.php/sid/XMzIyNDMyNDg4/v.swf ) was like their recent store opening in china: |
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| 20:27.12 | damaltor | b00^portal: you still there? |