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| 10:51.13 | canard | how do i download from ovi using pc using nokiasuite? |
| 10:53.46 | canard | ive installed ovi suite 3.0 cause the latest doesnt support n9 i think |
| 10:54.14 | canard | but when i click download in ovi,the part for nokia suite download is still greyed |
| 10:55.41 | jonni | sorry dont understand the question. |
| 10:56.54 | canard | how can i download on ovi using pc?thats simpler^_^ |
| 10:57.04 | jonni | ovi store client is insude the n9 phone, you dont need (and cant) to use any suite for ovi. |
| 10:57.21 | canard | i know that |
| 10:57.39 | canard | but i cant use from n9 cause mine still being unlock,i meant the simcard |
| 10:58.03 | jonni | you can use it through the wifi even without sim |
| 10:58.04 | canard | i read somewhere ovi suite 3.0 works,i tried and it does but cant download in website |
| 10:58.21 | canard | im at home theres no wifi here |
| 10:58.22 | jonni | there is no way to download n9 apps to PC from ovi store. |
| 10:58.48 | canard | i see so the old ovisutie only wokrs like nokia link then:( |
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| 10:59.07 | jonni | ovi suite is meant for backups & datasync. |
| 11:02.23 | Avengence | nokia link is for backup and copying certain media. at least on mac, it helps to copy to/from itunes and iphoto since those stash files away from the user. |
| 11:03.03 | Avengence | canard: in general, you can just put the N9 in mass storage mode and then copy files to/from it on the pc without any extra software |
| 11:04.36 | canard | yeah i know,i was looking for way from ovi to pc |
| 11:04.44 | canard | not phone to pc |
| 11:05.00 | jonni | Avengence: his question was about downloading N9 ovi store applications without simcard and wifi, which is not possible |
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| 11:06.36 | Avengence | noy sure about ovi store, but most apps that can be downloaded anywhere else can be installed by copying over usb and opening the package with file browser of choice |
| 11:06.50 | canard | ¤ Laughing Out Loud ¤ exactly its impoosible atm,why u think im trying it the hard way |
| 11:07.16 | canard | yeah but downloading in ovi is much secure to me |
| 11:07.52 | Avengence | real solution is to get some networking. there's not much you can do without an internet connection |
| 11:08.37 | Avengence | canard: can you at least setup an adhoc network from your computer to get your N9 online? |
| 11:08.56 | canard | i dont have router |
| 11:09.34 | canard | cause i dont share my net with my sister,she has her own 4g broadband dongle |
| 11:09.39 | Avengence | i said from your computer, nothing about router. do you have 802.11 hardware of any sort in the computer you are using right now? |
| 11:09.41 | CissWit | that's the point. Route with your computer. |
| 11:10.36 | canard | 802.11? |
| 11:11.20 | canard | i know tis connection type but havent used that b4 |
| 11:11.27 | jonni | 802.11=wifi |
| 11:11.29 | canard | i only used lan |
| 11:11.53 | canard | i think no its desktop |
| 11:12.03 | canard | but this laptop might have |
| 11:12.39 | jonni | there are softwares to turn laptops into wifi accesspoints, that might help |
| 11:12.41 | canard | so can you help me setting it up |
| 11:13.06 | canard | im sorry i only use hotspots on malls,never used phone to pc using wifi b4 |
| 11:14.21 | Avengence | what os are you using? |
| 11:14.34 | jonni | www.connectify.me for example, but googling will show tons of other instructions too |
| 11:15.28 | Avengence | you don't need any extra software. every current OS can do it out of the box. any extra apps are just adding some garbage and likely up to no good |
| 11:15.50 | Avengence | canard: so does your laptop run windows, mac os, or linux/other? |
| 11:16.23 | canard | windiws 7 |
| 11:16.28 | canard | *windows 7 |
| 11:16.42 | canard | ¤ Laughing Out Loud ¤ i sound so stupid im a good programmer and i have no idea about this |
| 11:16.44 | Avengence | ok, go hunting in control panels for something called Internet Connectrion Shaaring |
| 11:17.00 | canard | i went device manager and check under network device |
| 11:17.27 | Avengence | that move it every version so i can't say off the top of my head where its at, but should be somewhere with other network settings if they haven't gotten to retarded |
| 11:17.51 | canard | i only see a pcie-lan adapter |
| 11:17.57 | Avengence | once you find ICS, you just have to say which network interface has the connection and to which you want to share the connection |
| 11:18.05 | jonni | http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/pc/how-to-turn-your-windows-7-laptop-into-a-wireless-hotspot-657138 |
| 11:18.07 | canard | and wirelesslan802.11n pcie-nic |
| 11:19.24 | Avengence | canard: the former is you lan, the latter is your wifi |
| 11:20.18 | canard | yeah i know that-_- |
| 11:20.32 | Avengence | jonni: lol, nice how they give instructions for cli. it'd probably take several pages of screenshots to guide through the process in the gui |
| 11:20.35 | canard | im jsut saying im not sure if the wirelesslan supports it |
| 11:21.04 | canard | thats why im not sure its wifi at all,its doesnt have taht adhoc thing u said in properties |
| 11:21.45 | canard | im gonna follow whats on that link u give thanks,but how do i password protect it |
| 11:21.48 | Avengence | all wifi hardware supports adhoc. some hardware with gimped firmware won't function as access point, but adhoc is always available |
| 11:22.03 | canard | maybe tis jsut not written there |
| 11:22.25 | Avengence | notice the key=MYPassword part, that's setting the password for the wifi |
| 11:22.40 | canard | ok thxk |
| 11:23.01 | canard | im just making sure,theres like 100 people using wireless here |
| 11:23.15 | Avengence | there's a way in the gui but you don't get there from device manager. there's some list of network connections elsewhere which should have sharing as an option |
| 11:23.23 | canard | i dotn like being a net provider to them,there are peopel who sue others wifi |
| 11:31.53 | canard | ive setit up,how do i use it on the phone? |
| 11:32.59 | canard | ¤ Never Mind ¤ found it,lol the wifi icon confused me |
| 11:33.09 | Avengence | facepalm |
| 11:33.25 | canard | so taht icon is for making the phone hotspot also?am i right? |
| 11:33.51 | canard | hey im nto good with wireless stuff,sorry |
| 11:36.15 | Avengence | the icon on apps screen that says "WiFi Hotspot" is for making the phone a hotspot to share your wwan data service |
| 11:37.45 | Avengence | to join a wifi network, you can go through the Internet connection entry in settings, or just take the sattus bar that shows everywhere except fullscreen apps. you'll get a dropdown that lets you set profile, volume, wifi, bluetooth and IM availability. |
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| 11:45.30 | canard | yeah i know that |
| 11:45.38 | canard | im talking about that wifi icon in menu |
| 11:45.51 | canard | thats for making the phone wifi hotspot for others isnt? |
| 11:46.13 | canard | thx for the link i was able to download now,i really appreaciate your help,thx a lot |
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| 11:58.23 | canard | too bad youtube wont stream |
| 12:34.21 | canard | any idea how youtube streaming works? |
| 12:39.02 | Avengence | normally, its flash crap, but on devices like iphone, n9, etc its just http stream of h264 data afaik |
| 12:42.57 | canard | yeah but it wont work on me |
| 12:43.13 | canard | youtube browsing works great except for the video which never loads |
| 12:43.21 | canard | stock on playing |
| 12:51.40 | Avengence | what a surprise, it barely works regardless what device i use. the flash player on their site is the worst |
| 12:55.51 | canard | lolx |
| 12:56.11 | canard | i remember connectin 3g on my n70 b4 using opera |
| 12:56.14 | canard | and it works |
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| 16:07.17 | virtuald | how fast is the n9's 802.11n? i've googled for specs as I'm looking for a new access point, but all I can find is " WLAN IEEE802.11 a/b/g/n" |
| 16:17.02 | kevin_b | virtuald : not sure of what you mean |
| 16:17.20 | kevin_b | but N9's wifi is quite good |
| 16:17.49 | kevin_b | it doesnt list too far wlan, but you can still access it by the hidden ssid method |
| 16:17.56 | mgedmin | the n9 doesn't have flash, so I can't visit speedtest.net and find out :( |
| 16:18.08 | kevin_b | it saves well battery and I can wifi all day long without loading it |
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| 16:18.47 | Avengence | you'd need a really fast pipe to test wifi speed with speedtest.net... |
| 16:19.12 | Avengence | but i think what is meant iby the question is does the n-mode support 300 or just 150 |
| 16:19.30 | mgedmin | oh, I've a 100 Mbit/s pipe or so |
| 16:19.53 | mgedmin | which would be plenty fast enough for me if my laptop supported 802.11n... |
| 16:20.51 | mgedmin | and at home I have a 300 Mbit/s plan but the equipment supports only 100 Mbit/s |
| 16:20.58 | Avengence | mgedmin: still not fast enough to determine max wifi speed. best way is either look what the link rate is in the access point (if available) or use something like ttcp to a host that is connected to wap via lan to check speed |
| 16:21.18 | mgedmin | the ISP offered to replace it free of charge, but I can't be bothered... |
| 16:21.33 | Avengence | wow, where do you live and waht does that cost? |
| 16:21.54 | mgedmin | Lithuania; the cost is ~35 EUR/month |
| 16:22.22 | Avengence | gezz, how isit these small countries have such good speed |
| 16:22.32 | mgedmin | no old infrastructure that's expensive to replace? |
| 16:22.45 | mgedmin | and small country == small amount of new infrastructure you need to install? |
| 16:23.25 | Avengence | i lived in estonia for 2 years and had 12/1 right outside the old town. the second year they were advertising 100/10 at same price, 30eur/month including iptv and pstn, but it wasn't available in my location |
| 16:24.32 | mgedmin | network infrastructure improved really drastically over the last ~5 years here |
| 16:24.35 | Avengence | I moved to prague and find out that fastest dsl there is same as i has in estonia, but the location i'm living they can't offer more than 1.5/768. just keeping 12/1 i'd be happy |
| 16:25.33 | Avengence | i can get faster on hspa but then i have a monthly cap, so i might end up running both in parallel, hspa for stuff i want quick (streaming, browsiing, etc) and adsl for bulk transfer (usenet, bittorrent, etc) |
| 16:25.33 | mgedmin | so, I've collectd on my router and can see traffic stats |
| 16:25.44 | mgedmin | now I need a big file somewhere in the LAN to transfer |
| 16:48.01 | Avengence | i looked in dmesg an its WL1271 chip from TI for WLAN, which has max speed of 65Mbps according to the datasheet. so it operates in n mode but without any channel bonding, just the other enhancements over a/g. not that you'd every really need faster for a phone and its meant to be low power |
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| 16:50.00 | Avengence | interestingly, it has bluetooth integrated in wlan, and a slightly higher end model has gps and fm tx/rx. not sure why nokia used a separate broadcom chip for bluetooth (which includes the unused fm rx), unless they are using some model wlan chip from ti that is different model but uses same driver/identified as same device at boot |
| 16:51.13 | Avengence | virtuald: http://www.lsr.com/downloads/tiwi/datasheet/TIWI_Datasheet.pdf in case you want to have a look |
| 16:52.30 | Avengence | the other discrepency from datasheet is nokia say a mode, but there are no 5ghz bands listed so it may be a different part. would have to see board photos from a teardown to really know |
| 17:45.02 | virtuald | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9/ only lists b/g/n |
| 18:36.17 | Avengence | yingvirtuald: different specs show in different places, so hard to tell for sure. earlier in the chan soeone quoted 802.11a/b/g/n. looking at the page you just linked it says bluetooth 2.1+edr, but that is what n950 has iirc. the n9 said bluetooth 4.0 on the page i looked at some months ago just before buying |
| 18:36.57 | virtuald | hehe |
| 18:38.47 | Avengence | i would have to go digging to try to check, and then what the driver says for chip model might not be exact. i can |
| 18:39.22 | Avengence | i can't easily verify bluetooth version because i have no other device with any newer than bt2.0+edr |
| 18:41.28 | Avengence | and even then might be hard to tell. I had some prjects a few years ago in which I had to deal with low level details of bluetooth, but 2.0 was new and everything I worked on used 1.1/1.2 so I've not had any reason to keep up with what changed in later versions nor do I have any sniffing hardware to check what is really going over the air |
| 19:00.19 | inz | PP |
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