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| 11:18.32 | JackaLX | Hey guys! Is it possible to access saved routes (from maps.nokia.com) in the maps app on the N9? I can't find how to do so :-( |
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| 14:18.31 | Qantourisc | I'm verry intrested in the harmattan/meego |
| 14:18.39 | Qantourisc | but i'm unsure of it's future |
| 14:18.45 | Qantourisc | and the phone itself ... hard to "try" :) |
| 14:18.51 | Qantourisc | without having the phone .. |
| 14:35.14 | Erika | seems like it's pretty much doomed |
| 14:35.39 | Erika | there's rumors nokia is going to stop producing n9's soon, and it didn't even introduce it in countries like usa, france, etc, so it's missing out on a lot of people |
| 14:36.03 | Erika | as for the phone itself harmattan is great, and the hardware is awesome |
| 14:36.13 | Erika | it's too bad they decided to shoot themselves int he foot |
| 15:18.48 | Qantourisc | Erika: The only reason i'm considering an iphone because I get it practically free |
| 15:19.05 | Erika | i just keep my n900 |
| 15:19.27 | Erika | maybe ill get a n9 if it doesnt die in 3 months |
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| 17:09.19 | Qantourisc | Erika: on the other hand i "hate" iphone ... |
| 17:09.28 | Erika | it cant be that bad |
| 17:09.29 | Qantourisc | all the closed systems ... |
| 17:09.31 | Erika | yeh |
| 17:09.33 | Erika | yeah* |
| 17:09.36 | Qantourisc | well some alteast. |
| 17:10.02 | Qantourisc | I do not want to contribute to the contruction of closed systems ... |
| 17:14.39 | Qantourisc | This is hard :/ |
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| 21:29.16 | yipdw | Qantourisc: I don't know what you're looking for in a mobile device, but at least for me the core of Harmattan on the N9 is well-executed |
| 21:29.43 | yipdw | i've been using an N9 as my everyday phone for two weeks and have only the usual minor niggles |
| 21:29.44 | Qantourisc | yipdw: n9-os seems to cut the case |
| 21:29.58 | yipdw | development, however, is a different story, but that's got its own warts |
| 21:30.01 | Qantourisc | the main concern is extra software and features |
| 21:30.21 | yipdw | anything in particular you're looking for? |
| 21:30.54 | Qantourisc | main issue that the core doesn't has: vcarddav |
| 21:31.03 | Qantourisc | ssh, irc client, scp. |
| 21:31.13 | psycho_oreos | not yet |
| 21:31.23 | Qantourisc | psycho_oreos: updates are planned ? |
| 21:31.36 | yipdw | ssh/scp is available if you install the developer mode packages |
| 21:31.51 | yipdw | there's a few IRC clients out there; I've been using irssi, but others designed for the device also exist |
| 21:32.04 | psycho_oreos | Qantourisc, I wouldn't hold my breath on it. Though you can bypass it apart from what yipdw mentioned, such as installing meego CE for instance |
| 21:32.38 | psycho_oreos | generally it probably won't be officially supported but its not like its officially doomed |
| 21:32.54 | yipdw | also depends on what we can extract out of Nokia to do further development |
| 21:34.03 | Qantourisc | this is why i don't jump on n9 right away |
| 21:34.18 | Qantourisc | then again, an iphone is a small disaster when it comes to openness |
| 21:34.21 | yipdw | fair enough |
| 21:35.07 | yipdw | well |
| 21:35.12 | yipdw | by some metrics, yes |
| 21:35.37 | yipdw | however, IMO, the iOS developer documentation is far better than what's out there for Harmattan |
| 21:36.19 | yipdw | and Harmattan has a sizable number of proprietary components, especially in userspace |
| 21:42.47 | Qantourisc | yipdw: the main metrics where it's not on with is: what am i allowed to do with it ? |
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| 22:04.24 | yipdw | Qantourisc: in that case, I'd say the N9 is a step up from the iPhone but a step down from the N900 |
| 22:04.45 | yipdw | you've probably seen a lot of frustration over Aegis |
| 22:05.13 | yipdw | it is possible to subvert those policies but it's kind of a mess |
| 22:15.01 | Qantourisc | yipdw: why did they toss aegis on there ? |
| 22:15.12 | Qantourisc | yipdw: down from n900 ? |
| 22:16.25 | Qantourisc | Is it tomutch to ask for a dam decent phone ? :/ |
| 22:17.06 | yipdw | Qantourisc: it's complicated. platform security is a good thing (IMO) but the ultimate authority for security policies should be the user (again, IMO) |
| 22:17.19 | yipdw | there's many reasons why Aegis hasn't accomplished that goal |
| 22:17.20 | yipdw | ask in #harmattan |
| 22:17.21 | Qantourisc | yipdw: so can't turn it "off" ? |
| 22:18.57 | Qantourisc | ok it's bad |
| 22:19.04 | Qantourisc | scrap this phone too then |
| 22:20.25 | yipdw | Qantourisc: installing a different kernel bypasses Aegis; see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575 |
| 22:21.33 | yipdw | but that, I think, is messy, compared to having a documented, official way to disable the system |
| 22:21.52 | yipdw | to be honest, I haven't actually yet been hindered by it |
| 22:22.08 | yipdw | but that is of course a very personal thing that depends on what you do with the device |
| 22:22.22 | Qantourisc | why o why do they all crap up the smarthpones ? |
| 22:22.36 | Qantourisc | It's easier to turn a pc into a phone :/ |
| 22:23.38 | yipdw | Qantourisc: don't have an answer for that one, but see #harmattan |
| 22:24.13 | Qantourisc | yipdw: I think i'll just put the looking for a smartphone in the fridge for another few years |
| 22:24.27 | Qantourisc | after taking another look at the n900 |
| 22:24.33 | yipdw | I highly doubt it will get any better |
| 22:25.47 | Qantourisc | Then i'll never own a smartphone |
| 22:26.10 | yipdw | that's also a valid approach |
| 22:26.21 | yipdw | I mean, there are some projects like Openmoko that you may be interested in |
| 22:26.36 | Qantourisc | I am |
| 22:27.27 | Qantourisc | yipdw: hmm they sell hardware ... intresting ... lets reach this path, thanks ! |
| 22:28.17 | yipdw | np |
| 22:31.43 | Qantourisc | yipdw: well this look instresting ... you can drop a ton of different stuff on it |
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