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| 10:16.54 | yuhuuk | hi |
| 10:17.22 | yuhuuk | can mseide using lazarus component or vcl component ? |
| 10:25.40 | Manu | mseide has it's own components |
| 10:25.58 | Manu | you also can write your custom ones too |
| 10:26.56 | yuhuuk | have tutorial for it ? |
| 10:27.01 | yuhuuk | can u give me the url ? |
| 10:27.30 | Manu | do /topic |
| 10:27.31 | Manu | :) |
| 10:27.38 | yuhuuk | thx |
| 10:33.00 | Manu | yuhuuk: keep in mind MSEide+MSEgui is different from Lazarus/Delphi and doesn't try to be compatible with these projects |
| 10:33.57 | yuhuuk | hmm i already type /topic |
| 10:34.08 | yuhuuk | didn't have good tutorial about component |
| 10:34.31 | Manu | nope (for the moment) |
| 10:34.42 | Manu | but there are a few examples you can see |
| 10:35.18 | Manu | and of course you can join our news channels, there are a lot of questions responses there |
| 10:35.30 | Manu | we'll be glad to help you |
| 10:36.34 | Manu | yuhuuk: someone wrote this time ago: http://www.geocities.com/yetanothergeek/mseide-tutorial-en/ |
| 10:36.51 | Manu | a very basic hello world tutorial |
| 10:37.11 | Manu | probably it will help you too |
| 10:39.51 | yuhuuk | hmm... you don't understand what i mean |
| 10:40.01 | yuhuuk | write component |
| 10:40.22 | Manu | there is an example in MSEide sources |
| 10:41.06 | Manu | download the sources and take a look at apps/myide |
| 10:41.19 | Manu | it creates a very simple custom component |
| 10:41.36 | Manu | tmybutton |
| 10:41.52 | Manu | yuhuuk: is this what you mean? |
| 10:56.08 | yuhuuk | yes |
| 11:04.59 | yuhuuk | this is i mean |
| 11:07.23 | yuhuuk | buddy can mside running in mac ? |
| 11:07.48 | Manu | not for the moment |
| 11:08.06 | Manu | AFAIK |
| 11:08.20 | yuhuuk | how about the tmybutton tutorial ? |
| 11:08.24 | yuhuuk | must seeing in source ? |
| 11:08.50 | Manu | you can open the project in mseide and see how it's implemented. It's easy |
| 11:09.45 | yuhuuk | i already test it |
| 11:09.52 | yuhuuk | and have two file must change |
| 11:10.02 | yuhuuk | one for toolbutton and one for our exactly component |
| 11:11.06 | Manu | for wider information you can ask in the news, Martin (MSEide developer) is there |
| 11:12.00 | Manu | he doesn't like IRC and I use MSEide+MSEgui but I'm not a guru ;) |
| 11:12.12 | yuhuuk | :) |
| 11:12.27 | Manu | at last for components ;) |
| 11:12.27 | yuhuuk | i hear my friend martin is unique guy |
| 11:12.41 | Manu | well, you can see his work :) |
| 11:13.10 | Manu | I know he reads this channel, but for the moment he wants too keep far from here :) |
| 11:14.06 | yuhuuk | yeap. i only problem with real cross platform |
| 11:14.14 | yuhuuk | and i hear msegui is the best one |
| 11:14.14 | Manu | yuhuuk: BTW is martin your friend? :) |
| 11:14.28 | Manu | I use it in real world with exit :) |
| 11:14.38 | Manu | but I only develop LInux/windows applications |
| 11:14.54 | Manu | I'm now using it :) |
| 11:15.45 | Manu | in the wiki (the link is in the topic) you can see some screenshots of one project I made 1 year ago |
| 11:16.09 | Manu | working on firebird and using MSEide reporting freatures |
| 11:16.13 | yuhuuk | can i compare w/ lazarus ? |
| 11:16.37 | Manu | Lazarus is different, for my needs Lazarus isn't ready yet |
| 11:16.48 | yuhuuk | for example ? |
| 11:16.51 | Manu | it's still beta :) |
| 11:17.10 | yuhuuk | hehehe... mseide also not really good enough |
| 11:17.26 | yuhuuk | need more longer time to understand |
| 11:17.38 | Manu | well, it's true |
| 11:17.51 | Manu | but once you understand it you'll see how powerful is |
| 11:18.20 | yuhuuk | can you give me some clue about it ? |
| 11:18.40 | Manu | as I said, we'll be glad to help you. |
| 11:19.00 | Manu | because now I'm alone (almost) here better is to join the news and ask ther too |
| 11:19.04 | yuhuuk | i just want to understand first |
| 11:19.14 | yuhuuk | and decide want to use it or not |
| 11:19.33 | Manu | what's your main usage? database, desktop..? |
| 11:20.00 | yuhuuk | actually i'm a embedded programmer |
| 11:20.14 | yuhuuk | but also writing database and desktop application for my personal interest |
| 11:20.27 | Manu | someone used MSEide project for ARM |
| 11:20.56 | Manu | for database, it's ready to use and it's really powerful |
| 11:21.08 | Manu | for Desktop is good enough |
| 11:21.16 | Manu | but it's other GUIs independient |
| 11:21.27 | Manu | so it doesn't require GTK nor QT |
| 11:21.35 | yuhuuk | yeap. not like lazarus |
| 11:21.39 | Manu | that's good but also can be bad ;) |
| 11:21.50 | yuhuuk | make me headache and not trust that's a really cross platform |
| 11:21.55 | Manu | Lazarus tries to follow Delphi |
| 11:22.00 | yuhuuk | java also some problem |
| 11:22.11 | Manu | I also write java programs :) |
| 11:22.19 | yuhuuk | delphi can't write multiplatform |
| 11:22.22 | Manu | the main problem is the ammount of resources required |
| 11:22.39 | Manu | Delphi is only windows, Kylix was not success |
| 11:22.43 | yuhuuk | have javac to solve it. but more problem occur |
| 11:23.06 | yuhuuk | clx make delphi more people not like that |
| 11:23.10 | Manu | I only can say, my programs are working in linux and windows with no problems |
| 11:23.24 | Manu | and no needed to change a line of code |
| 11:23.32 | Manu | just copy my project in windows, compile and ready |
| 11:23.45 | yuhuuk | :) |
| 11:23.53 | yuhuuk | only real basic can do this |
| 11:24.02 | yuhuuk | i program qt for this but very headache |
| 11:24.06 | yuhuuk | when moving version |
| 11:24.08 | yuhuuk | like 3 to 4 |
| 11:24.46 | Manu | QT using c++? |
| 11:25.13 | yuhuuk | yeap |
| 11:25.19 | yuhuuk | and trying cmake |
| 11:25.22 | yuhuuk | so headache |
| 11:25.23 | Manu | I only can say, try mseide for little projects and see how it goes |
| 11:25.40 | Manu | if you have doubts (you'll have it) you can ask here or in the news |
| 11:25.54 | Manu | c++ is a hell itself ;) |
| 11:26.08 | yuhuuk | c++ is a good language and too complex |
| 11:26.15 | Manu | I have to use c++ too in some projects I contribute.. but I don't like it |
| 11:26.30 | yuhuuk | java is easy and much garbage colletion make java like garbage |
| 11:26.39 | yuhuuk | i'm very like c++ |
| 11:26.39 | Manu | heh |
| 11:26.50 | yuhuuk | but i don't like write from strecth waste too too much time |
| 11:27.00 | Manu | true |
| 11:27.31 | Manu | I find Free Pascal better for big applications |
| 11:28.12 | Manu | after 1 day developing using Free Pascal, I'm happy and my brain is very active |
| 11:28.26 | Manu | after 1 day developing using c++ I'm mad and irritated ;) |
| 11:28.34 | yuhuuk | :) |
| 11:28.44 | yuhuuk | before i'm very good for delphi and pascal |
| 11:28.55 | yuhuuk | and very long time not program w/ pascal |
| 11:28.59 | yuhuuk | i love c/c++ |
| 11:29.07 | yuhuuk | but i think the better language is ruby |
| 11:29.15 | Manu | I used Delphi until the version #4 |
| 11:29.44 | Manu | still many programs I made in Delphi are running out there :) |
| 11:30.06 | Manu | about my c++ code, part of it is in bzflag :) |
| 11:30.34 | yuhuuk | i'm much writing program for my intern company |
| 11:31.04 | Manu | I use to write financial applications |
| 11:31.40 | Manu | and my last project is a POS |
| 11:31.56 | Manu | I'm working on it now.. will be ready for production in a week |
| 11:32.07 | yuhuuk | gods. |
| 11:32.12 | yuhuuk | i will write one too |
| 11:32.14 | yuhuuk | :) |
| 11:32.15 | Manu | just writing the Tickets printers interface now :) |
| 11:32.18 | yuhuuk | compete w/ you |
| 11:32.34 | Manu | heh |
| 11:32.58 | yuhuuk | hahaha... can i know your name ? |
| 11:33.03 | yuhuuk | i'm jhonny yang |
| 11:33.12 | Manu | do /whois Manu |
| 11:33.13 | Manu | :) |
| 11:33.33 | Manu | I use my true name here |
| 11:33.42 | yuhuuk | bad guys ? |
| 11:33.46 | yuhuuk | are u portugal ? |
| 11:33.49 | yuhuuk | i'm indonesian |
| 11:33.56 | Manu | Julio Jiménez Borreguero |
| 11:34.01 | Manu | no, I'm spanish |
| 11:34.14 | yuhuuk | ok contact you tommorow |
| 11:34.19 | yuhuuk | now i got to leave office |
| 11:34.21 | yuhuuk | bye |
| 11:34.23 | Manu | :) |
| 11:34.26 | Manu | have a nice day |
| 11:34.27 | Manu | cu |
| 11:34.32 | yuhuuk | you too |
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