IRC log for #melange on 20081016

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00:52.22lhgoes to have dinner and drinks with freebsdgirl
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06:14.50lh_Allen_: how are you?
06:15.41_Allen_lh: fine
06:16.00lh_Allen_: great
06:16.03_Allen_lh: I am prepare for implement the logic of qustions/answers
06:16.17_Allen_lh: and you?
06:16.48lh_Allen_: honestly doing not much. tired but talking to friends.
06:17.28_Allen_lh: relax yourself, :)
06:17.40lh_Allen_: i am. :)
06:18.55_Allen_lh: good
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15:25.24solydzajstlarsen: ping :-) Hi
15:34.07SRabbeliertlarsen: ping
15:37.30SRabbeliersolydzajs: {{ entity_type|lower }}
15:37.33SRabbeliersolydzajs: like that ,right?
15:38.32solydzajsSRabbelier: yes
15:38.45SRabbeliersolydzajs: cool
15:41.09SRabbeliersolydzajs: I replaced 'name_lower' with just 'name', and set it to "Sponsor:
15:41.18SRabbeliersolydzajs: so if you want lower, you do name|lower
15:41.22SRabbelieralso added a name_plural
15:41.35solydzajswhere did you have name_lower ?
15:42.22solydzajsCommit patch to rietveld and we will review with Todd
15:43.55SRabbeliersolydzajs: not sure I had it :P
15:44.05SRabbeliersolydzajs: but I replaced it everywhere with foo|lower
15:44.11SRabbelier(where approrpriate)
15:46.02solydzajsok
15:49.53SRabbeliercool
15:49.55SRabbelierrebasing went smoothly
15:51.18SRabbeliersolydzajs: can't upload yet
15:51.24SRabbeliersolydzajs: will do it in 1h when I get home
15:51.29SRabbelier(don't have the upload.py here)
15:52.28SRabbelierbbs
16:00.13solydzajsok
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17:08.43SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: what's gotten you?
17:08.55SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: will you be ok for the summit?
17:22.22mithrohey SRabbelier
17:22.33mithroSRabbelier: i thought someone else might be working on the refactor hence the email
17:22.42SRabbeliermithro: ah, ok :)
17:22.45SRabbeliermithro: it's done now I think
17:22.49SRabbelierready to upload next version
17:24.16mithrothis way just seemed like the correct way to start with :P
17:24.27mithrobut maybe I jump to conclusions sometimes
17:25.21SRabbeliermithro: no, it was ok :)
17:30.48SRabbeliersolydzajs: committed rename
17:39.26solydzajsSRabbelier: just reviewed
17:39.32solydzajsSRabbelier: can you commit the fix ?
17:40.00SRabbeliersolydzajs: will do
17:40.23solydzajsSRabbelier: ok thx
17:40.29SRabbeliersolydzajs: entity_type_short == entity_type
17:40.37solydzajsSRabbelier: not always
17:40.43SRabbeliermhhh
17:40.46SRabbelierok..
17:40.48solydzajsSRabbelier: Organization for exmaple
17:40.48SRabbelierdinner first :)
17:41.09solydzajsSRabbelier: has a short name 'org'
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18:05.20SRabbeliersolydzajs: ok, makes sense now
18:05.29solydzajsSRabbelier: good :-)
18:13.53SRabbeliersolydzajs: better now?
18:17.15solydzajsSRabbelier: yes thx
18:23.46tlarsen|illSRabbelier: I just generally feel bad, headache, body aches.  My wife also had a sore throat, but I don't have that, thankfully.
18:24.04SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: I hope you both get well soon
18:24.17tlarsen|illSRabbelier: the headache is the worst part; makes looking at the computer screen difficult.
18:24.32tlarsen|illSRabbelier: She is already recovered as of this morning, actually, but she had it for two days.
18:24.43SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: aah, I can imagine; do painkillers help at all?
18:25.29tlarsen|illSRabbelier: no pain medicine except for really hard stuff like Oxycodone and Hydrocodone (Vicodin) have much effect on me, and those knock me out.
18:25.57tlarsen|illSRabbelier: I am allowed to keep a small, fresh supply on hand at all times, because I frequently suffer from kidney stones.
18:26.05SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: lol, that's not really any good then
18:26.14SRabbelierouch, those things hurt
18:26.20SRabbelierdrink more water xD
18:27.08tlarsen|illSRabbelier: I drink plenty of water, and I also take Potassium Citrate, which has worked well at minimizing them for the past few years (I just passed a small one yesterday, though).
18:27.38tlarsen|illSRabbelier: it is genetic, as my mother, father, both sisters, and one brother (but not the other, yet, as he is only 16) have them.
18:27.56SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: ouch, that sucks; my mom had one once, I hope I didn't inherit that from her
18:28.19tlarsen|illSRabbelier: I'm basically a walking kidney stone factory, and I've had three lithotrypsies and I'm scheduled for another one in a couple of months.
18:29.11SRabbelierjust googled lithotrypsies
18:29.15SRabbelierdo they help?
18:31.53tlarsen|illSRabbelier: when some of your stones are 2cm in diameter, yes.
18:32.02SRabbelier0.o
18:32.05tlarsen|illSRabbelier: you can't possibly pass those.
18:32.11SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: no, best not :P
18:53.52SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: did you want the parameter descriptions to start with lowercase?
18:55.42tlarsen|illSRabbelier: that's an unexpected question.
18:55.51SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: how is that?
18:56.04SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: I seem to remember you asking for that, but I'm not sure
18:56.17tlarsen|illSRabbelier: I tend to just follow English rules.  If it is a complete sentence, I capitalize it and end it with a period.  If it is an incomplete fragment, I don't.
18:56.26tlarsen|illSRabbelier: And, even then, I'm not terribly consistent, really.
18:56.33SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: mhhh, ok
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20:00.47SRabbelierJames--Crook: heya
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20:20.39James--CrookSRabbelier: hoya
20:23.32SRabbelierJames--Crook: how's going?
20:25.04SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: how do I get the string form from a db.StringProperty?
20:28.10James--CrookSRabbelier: ..so much to do.  ..we've got a new contributor in Audacity who is superb, and I don't have time to try out what he has been doing :-( - have to leave it to other people.
20:28.23SRabbelierJames--Crook: awr man, that sucks
20:28.33James--CrookSRabbelier: How about you?
20:28.41SRabbelierJames--Crook: getting ready to leave to the USA
20:29.12James--CrookYou have a machine readable passport?
20:29.26James--Crook(Some older ones are not)
20:29.37SRabbelierJames--Crook: yup, I do, already visited once ;)
20:30.20James--CrookHave you thought anymore about what kind of help we want to ask for at the summit?
20:30.37SRabbelierJames--Crook: not sure, depends on what we get done in the next week
20:31.08James--CrookI am not sure that that changes it a great deal.  What it does change is how easy it is to ask for help.
20:31.30SRabbeliermhh?
20:32.23James--CrookWell... suppose everything slips by a week.  We still need much the same things we need right now.
20:32.46SRabbelierright
20:32.56James--CrookMentor Summit is an ideal time to find someone to help with security aspects.  We sure need that.
20:33.22SRabbelieryes, very much so
20:34.13James--CrookSo what other things...
20:34.34James--CrookI see a javascript wizard as someone to look for.
20:34.37SRabbelierJames--Crook: yup
20:34.52James--Crookand...?
20:35.05SRabbeliernot sure really, haven't thought about it like that
20:35.40James--CrookI really don't expect a lot of useful coding to be done for us on the day.  What we can hope for is to get people interested, and possibly get some world-domination-interest in there too.
20:35.57SRabbelierJames--Crook: yeah, same feeling here
20:36.07SRabbelierJames--Crook: that's why i want the code to be clean
20:36.58James--CrookI think people have been underthinking Melange, and that's a mistake in open source.  You get less far with a product that appeals to two people.
20:37.18SRabbelierJames--Crook: underthinking?
20:37.39James--CrookWe also have to fight that every single one of the GSoC mentors has already committed to their own project.  That will always take their first slice of time (and there amy not be a second)
20:38.06SRabbelierHow would you 'fight' that?
20:38.13James--Crookunderthinking...  Well, the wiki satrts of saying Melange is not a issue tracking system... it is not a CMS system... it is not the other...
20:38.27SRabbelierJames--Crook: it does?
20:39.05James--CrookBut what it IS is a (or will become) is an Access controlled database front end with some powerful CMS features.
20:39.21James--Crook..Just finding the quote...
20:39.44SRabbelierJames--Crook: ok, -nods-
20:40.01James--Crook<PROTECTED>
20:40.13James--Crookhttp://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/MelangeIntro
20:40.14tpbTitle: MelangeIntro - soc - Google Code - An introduction to Melange (at code.google.com)
20:40.19SRabbelierok
20:41.10James--CrookEvery successful open source project has a wiki.  Most have a bugtracker (and it sucks usually)
20:41.23SRabbelier+1
20:42.11James--CrookYou can make a bug tracker that does not suck by using a wiki to capture all the things that don't quite fit the schema...
20:42.28James--Crookbut then you need a way to query the wiki like it is a database...
20:43.26James--CrookSo... what is really missing is a way to marry the flexibility of a wiki with the regularity of a database front end.  It actually is not that very hard to do.
20:43.51SRabbeliernods
20:44.11James--CrookThe bug tracker I use at work has a very 'raw' interface to the databse, and that will not do for Melange.
20:44.32SRabbelierJames--Crook: right
20:45.06James--CrookAnyway... that's WorldDomination....  and that's at least three months away.  We need to llok at what we can get for the short term, using people who will be at the summit.
20:46.08James--CrookI've just noticed that tlarsen is marked as tlarsen|ill.  Any info?  (can pm me if appropriate).
20:46.27SRabbelierJames--Crook: he's not feeling too hot, check the chat logs :)
20:47.03James--CrookI won't see them till tomorrow.  Will do so then.
20:47.11James--Crook\me sends tlarsen a get well soon card
20:47.19SRabbelierah, true
20:47.24James--Crooksends tlarsen a get well card
20:48.45James--CrookWhat is your best outcome for the Mentor summit?
20:49.33SRabbeliermhhh, getting 5 new contributors, and some people interested
20:50.28James--Crookand how do they start getting involved?  ..what activities?
20:50.54James--CrookGHOP is end of November, right?
20:50.57SRabbelieryup
20:50.59SRabbelierJames--Crook: I kinda have to finish this math assignment and pack though
20:51.27James--Crooknp.  talk to you later.  (What kind of maths, pure/applied?)
20:51.54James--Crookhave a good trip.
20:52.36SRabbelierJames--Crook: Numerical Maths
20:55.53James--CrookDoesn't tell me much :-)  Anyway, all the best.  cy.
20:56.32SRabbelierJames--Crook: hehe, sorry :P
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23:23.59SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: I committed the new generic view code, but it is not enabled yet (no change in functionality)
23:24.23SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: I'm hoping to give the new code more exposure this way, since it'll be very easy to give it a spin
23:25.47tlarsen|illSRabbelier: OK, I am conscious again, so I will give it a look as soon as I can.
23:25.54SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: awesome!
23:37.38SRabbelierok
23:37.41SRabbelierI am going now
23:37.43SRabbeliercheers!
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