| 00:03.03 | CosmoHill | berndhs: try 28 hour days |
| 00:03.55 | berndhs | I suppose if I lived in a cave, the daylight wouldn't matter |
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| 00:09.24 | Chris81 | Hello @all |
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| 00:09.43 | berndhs | howdy |
| 00:10.35 | Chris81 | I got a little question: I installed meego 1.2 and I cannot find thunderbird via zypper. Is it still in the repos? |
| 00:11.00 | Chris81 | is there an repo with thunderbird in it? |
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| 00:17.09 | berndhs | Chris81: for 1.2, probably not |
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| 00:17.44 | Chris81 | strange they where in the repos for 1.0 |
| 00:18.00 | Chris81 | where can I find comunity repos |
| 00:18.03 | Chris81 | ? |
| 00:18.33 | berndhs | build.pub.meego.com has community repos |
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| 00:20.27 | rafael2k_ | people, the is the summer release up? |
| 00:20.53 | Jay_BEE | rafael2k_: yes http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Summer_Release |
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| 00:21.07 | rafael2k_ | great! |
| 00:21.08 | rafael2k_ | ; ) |
| 00:21.11 | Chris81 | build.pub.meego.com has sadly only a few apps |
| 00:21.29 | berndhs | it has all *my* apps, so its not my fault :P |
| 00:23.14 | Chris81 | :) |
| 00:24.06 | MSM | :) |
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| 00:40.09 | me11er | hm |
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| 00:42.26 | me11er | ops |
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| 00:42.47 | me11er | I booted the image using meego grub4dos, but when initializing installation stage device definitions throws me an error in bash mount / dev / root |
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| 01:34.06 | carter_ | i just installed the Nokia Qt SDK - but only see Qt simulator and Desktop as options to target - not maemo5, harmattan |
| 01:34.13 | carter_ | anyone know why ? |
| 01:36.37 | ali1234 | basically because it sucks |
| 01:37.07 | ali1234 | you need to enable maemo 5 support by configuring the madde stuff |
| 01:37.24 | ali1234 | there's no support for harmatten or meego |
| 01:38.07 | ali1234 | see http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-2.0-snapshot/creator-developing-maemo.html |
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| 01:38.55 | wmarone | ali1234: you sure? In the device config I can select between Maemo5/Fremantle, Harmattan, and Meego |
| 01:39.18 | ali1234 | not really sure no |
| 01:39.22 | ali1234 | did you install extra sdks? |
| 01:39.43 | wmarone | I grabbed the harmattan update that was pushed back on tuesday |
| 01:40.04 | ali1234 | when i say "no support" i mean it isn't incuded in the main download with everything else and has to be installed and configured manually |
| 01:40.20 | wmarone | yeah |
| 01:40.25 | wmarone | you can add it, fairly easily too |
| 01:40.26 | ali1234 | that is, you have to install a SDK and then enter in the SDK paths into the the config thing |
| 01:41.19 | ali1234 | considering how much i heard about the online installer that gets "only the parts you need" |
| 01:41.30 | ali1234 | i would have thought it would be easy to add on extra SDKs using that |
| 01:42.04 | carter_ | ok cool, i thought i was just plagued by bad luck - learning and its kinda hard i just moved to ubuntu and had problem accessing internet there because of broadcom card |
| 01:42.40 | ali1234 | carter_: it's not your fault |
| 01:42.41 | carter_ | is there a way to sudo apt-get this from terminal ? someone just mentioned i have to install other SDK's... |
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| 01:42.48 | ali1234 | this stuff should just work |
| 01:42.57 | carter_ | yeah for sure |
| 01:43.22 | ali1234 | hmm well i think there is a repo for meego sdk on ubuntu actually |
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| 01:43.39 | ali1234 | but it's not as simple as apt-get because it's not part of official ubuntu either |
| 01:43.48 | ali1234 | you have to add the repo and such |
| 01:43.59 | ali1234 | not sure if that's even the recommended way to do it any more |
| 01:44.05 | carter_ | hmm |
| 01:44.21 | carter_ | im learning you have to figure a lot of stuff out to be a developer |
| 01:44.33 | carter_ | you guys have patience of a saint ! |
| 01:45.12 | twoboxen | does anyone have experience running the simulator on osx in the QtSDK? |
| 01:45.16 | ali1234 | sadly meego is one of the worser development experiences |
| 01:45.23 | ali1234 | in terms of getting everything set up |
| 01:45.29 | twoboxen | that's what I'm noticing |
| 01:45.43 | twoboxen | WebOS and Android are really nice |
| 01:45.52 | twoboxen | iOS is pretty good (assuming you have a mac) |
| 01:45.55 | twoboxen | blackberry sucks |
| 01:46.13 | ali1234 | blackberry is the worst by a long way |
| 01:46.32 | twoboxen | definitely :) |
| 01:46.37 | ali1234 | but i think they are specifically trying to discourage small time developers in favour of large corporations |
| 01:46.39 | twoboxen | their company is going down anyways |
| 01:46.48 | twoboxen | I work for a large corporation |
| 01:46.50 | twoboxen | it still sucks :) |
| 01:46.52 | ali1234 | lol |
| 01:47.02 | ali1234 | interesting :) |
| 01:47.38 | ali1234 | personally i never even managed to find all the downloads i need |
| 01:47.57 | twoboxen | yeah, authenticated on download is ridiculous |
| 01:48.01 | twoboxen | (apple?) |
| 01:48.18 | twoboxen | So what IS the simulator included with the QtSDK? |
| 01:48.25 | carter_ | so I see meego packaging tools in the syanptic manager in 11.4 + mic2 an image creator tool and banshee meego - media management and playback --- is this the repo you spoke of Ali1234 |
| 01:48.26 | twoboxen | i haven't used Qt since 4.1 on desktop |
| 01:49.09 | ali1234 | carter_: no idea, lots of repos have those packages |
| 01:49.12 | carter_ | i am a relative noob so im either using u great laughter or confusion ! |
| 01:49.15 | ali1234 | the question is are they the right versions? |
| 01:49.35 | carter_ | damn there should be some solid how to wiki out there on this |
| 01:50.08 | ali1234 | there is somewhere |
| 01:50.12 | ali1234 | i don't have a link, sorry |
| 01:50.15 | carter_ | like this for maemo -- http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 01:50.30 | ali1234 | http://developer.meego.com/meego-sdk |
| 01:50.33 | carter_ | no probs - i am learning patience :) |
| 01:51.04 | carter_ | ah yes but i have 11.4 an unsupported version |
| 01:51.15 | twoboxen | big sad face: Coming Fall 2011. Check back for more details. |
| 01:51.20 | carter_ | i think i have to use a VM |
| 01:51.29 | carter_ | lol |
| 01:51.47 | twoboxen | so what the crap is : http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html |
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| 01:52.18 | ali1234 | i have *no* idea |
| 01:52.22 | ali1234 | i thought they were on 2.0 already |
| 01:52.26 | twoboxen | :) |
| 01:52.28 | ali1234 | go and ask them on #qt |
| 01:53.15 | carter_ | i think this is what i need to see harmattan as an option to target |
| 01:53.43 | ali1234 | looks like it could be |
| 01:54.30 | twoboxen | but on this page (http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html) they talk about support for the N9 |
| 01:54.48 | TSCHAKeee | seriously, wtf is going on? |
| 01:54.54 | carter_ | right, but not out the gate - remember this is nokia.. |
| 01:54.56 | ali1234 | the N9 runs hamatten |
| 01:54.59 | carter_ | love them and hate them |
| 01:55.26 | TSCHAKeee | i never thought a company could top Commodore-Amiga in both awesome technology and sheer stupidity |
| 01:55.34 | TSCHAKeee | turns out, i only needed to wait |
| 01:55.37 | TSCHAKeee | :P |
| 01:57.06 | twoboxen | :) |
| 01:57.29 | twoboxen | It started with Symbian, then went to Maemo⦠I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Intel didn't save them |
| 01:57.31 | twoboxen | same compay |
| 01:57.41 | twoboxen | *company |
| 02:00.13 | twoboxen | all devs should get a free phone for having to deal with something that is 90% awesome and 10% impossible |
| 02:01.22 | carter_ | why cant they just state at the top of the SDK - you will need to add this and that and that located here to target maemo, meego and symbian |
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| 02:01.48 | carter_ | nevermind, that would be logical |
| 02:02.05 | carter_ | just like selling the n950, but lets not go there |
| 02:04.05 | twoboxen | :) |
| 02:10.08 | carter_ | so i downloaded the sdk thing you found twoboxen and ubuntu made me install 40 files |
| 02:10.36 | twoboxen | i don't know what that means⦠you mean supporting packages? |
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| 02:11.20 | carter_ | yeah sorry that was ali1234 that told me that |
| 02:11.42 | carter_ | i did download this http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html |
| 02:12.23 | carter_ | seems exactly like what i did before to get nokia qt sdk 2.2.1 |
| 02:13.07 | twoboxen | Looks like i'm waiting until the fall |
| 02:13.13 | twoboxen | I don't want to waste more time on this |
| 02:13.50 | carter_ | unreal isn't it - i am a noob and dont want to wait im hyped to learn now -- og the irony |
| 02:14.56 | twoboxen | I'm not even a noob⦠but I don't have the patience for this anymore |
| 02:15.06 | twoboxen | I'm happy to spend time being productive |
| 02:15.22 | twoboxen | but setting up an environment better be 1. contained and 2. trivial |
| 02:15.54 | ali1234 | +1 that sums it up exactly |
| 02:16.02 | carter_ | me too, but figuring out how to be productive is too hard, you're correct - and i assume you have some dev experience behind you |
| 02:16.12 | twoboxen | significant |
| 02:16.25 | carter_ | right |
| 02:16.29 | twoboxen | I have developed both professionally and personally for about every mobile os |
| 02:16.59 | carter_ | i emailed a couple of people today and mentioned that it should be easy for people to learn Qt and jump on the MeeGo train |
| 02:17.10 | twoboxen | I really want meego to succeed⦠by Nokia or otherwise. I want a REAL linux phone that is not openmoko fugly |
| 02:17.24 | carter_ | currently it is not and i'd like to create a resource to solve this |
| 02:17.29 | twoboxen | yeah |
| 02:17.59 | carter_ | me too, i think if they stuck the N9 and n950 with same specs they'd be going in the right direction -- i hope the board gets rid of elop |
| 02:18.07 | twoboxen | being on a business trip and being able to hook up to an HDMI monitor with kbd (usb, bt, i don't care) and open a terminal would be suhweet |
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| 02:18.15 | twoboxen | without packing laptop i mean |
| 02:18.19 | carter_ | yeah |
| 02:18.29 | carter_ | i can see the awesome in that |
| 02:18.38 | carter_ | do you have a n900 |
| 02:18.43 | twoboxen | is prepping Nokia to be wholly owned or absorbed by M$ |
| 02:18.50 | twoboxen | I did, yes |
| 02:18.50 | carter_ | indeed. |
| 02:19.01 | twoboxen | sold it last year⦠had a g2 after that |
| 02:19.07 | carter_ | did most of that above right ? except hdmi |
| 02:19.41 | twoboxen | phones i own or have owned and dev'd for: N1, G2, pre, pre2, bb9700, bb9800, n900, HTD HD7, iPhone, iPhone 3gs |
| 02:20.05 | twoboxen | sorry don't understand your ? |
| 02:20.12 | twoboxen | did most of what? |
| 02:20.22 | carter_ | i mean opening the terminal with the n900 |
| 02:20.26 | twoboxen | o yeah |
| 02:20.27 | twoboxen | def |
| 02:20.31 | twoboxen | it was great |
| 02:20.42 | twoboxen | too bad it was a brick and the calendar and phone were atrocious |
| 02:20.47 | twoboxen | i couldn't use it as every day carry |
| 02:20.54 | twoboxen | phone calls were so inconsistent |
| 02:20.58 | carter_ | all nokia had to do was add hdmi and sort out those quirks you mention |
| 02:21.01 | carter_ | perhaps add NFC |
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| 02:21.04 | carter_ | boom |
| 02:21.04 | twoboxen | yeah |
| 02:21.12 | carter_ | my phone for next 3years |
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| 02:21.22 | twoboxen | tidy up the package as well⦠a little thinner, spec it up a touch |
| 02:21.33 | carter_ | yeah n950 seems perfect, did u apply to get one |
| 02:21.37 | twoboxen | I did |
| 02:21.44 | twoboxen | only 250? I seriously doubt i get one |
| 02:21.55 | carter_ | seems very illogical |
| 02:21.58 | twoboxen | don't you have to send request to that email addy? Anything else? |
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| 02:22.12 | carter_ | not that i know of |
| 02:22.29 | carter_ | i have been waiting for that phone for 18months |
| 02:22.44 | carter_ | then they say were not gonna sell it and only loaning 250 |
| 02:22.45 | carter_ | haha |
| 02:22.51 | carter_ | bastards! |
| 02:22.52 | twoboxen | this address, nokia.developer.launchpad@nokia.com, right? |
| 02:22.57 | carter_ | yeah |
| 02:23.07 | twoboxen | what are the terms of the loan? |
| 02:23.12 | MohammadAG | that's if you're a commercial dev afaik |
| 02:23.13 | carter_ | hopefully i get one i am startup founder |
| 02:23.13 | twoboxen | does anyone know? |
| 02:23.23 | twoboxen | yeah, good luck |
| 02:23.34 | carter_ | yeah thanks i will need it :) |
| 02:23.41 | twoboxen | purchasing will be more than iPhone4s/5 |
| 02:23.44 | twoboxen | UNLOCKED. |
| 02:24.00 | twoboxen | I hold no hope for me getting one :) |
| 02:24.05 | carter_ | so sad ! |
| 02:24.15 | carter_ | and i would good money for it myself |
| 02:24.19 | carter_ | *pay |
| 02:24.39 | twoboxen | yeah. I'm actually thinking i'd like the n9 more |
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| 02:25.02 | twoboxen | b/c with my iPad for example, i end up using the bt kbd more often for actual work (emails, text, dev, etc) |
| 02:25.22 | twoboxen | the occasion where i need the power of hwkbd and don't have time to setup the main kbd is rare |
| 02:25.35 | twoboxen | (and I was ALWAYS a hwkbd zealot) |
| 02:25.50 | carter_ | hmmm yeah i can see that w/tablet that might die |
| 02:26.10 | carter_ | i was thinking about going only ipad |
| 02:26.14 | carter_ | one device |
| 02:26.19 | twoboxen | i don't know what the thickness of the n950 is, though⦠if it were about the thickness of the n9 i'd def go for it though |
| 02:26.26 | twoboxen | no, i don't' even use it much |
| 02:26.38 | twoboxen | needs more ram and multitasking :) |
| 02:26.39 | carter_ | people say that |
| 02:26.45 | twoboxen | i got it through work |
| 02:26.47 | carter_ | ipad2? |
| 02:26.49 | twoboxen | i certainly wouldn't pay for it |
| 02:26.53 | carter_ | ha! |
| 02:26.56 | twoboxen | 1, but my iPad2 is coming next week |
| 02:27.07 | carter_ | they say its mch smoother |
| 02:27.15 | twoboxen | yeah, double ram and proc |
| 02:27.51 | twoboxen | i'd still rather have one device which can be my everyday |
| 02:27.59 | twoboxen | a larger phone rather than a small tablet |
| 02:28.21 | twoboxen | even though you look ridiculous holding next to head for a call⦠that's why they make headsets and bt |
| 02:30.22 | carter_ | exactly |
| 02:30.39 | carter_ | well im going to try and conquer settig up this development environment |
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| 02:30.54 | carter_ | good luck with that right ! |
| 02:31.40 | twoboxen | indeed :) |
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| 02:34.56 | carter_ | http://library.developer.nokia.com/ |
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| 02:35.04 | thebootroo_ | hello |
| 02:35.16 | thebootroo_ | i puhsed another great update to my gitorious ! |
| 02:35.24 | thebootroo_ | event timeline ala thebootroo |
| 02:35.30 | thebootroo_ | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23307#post23307 |
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| 03:36.28 | carter_ | i just downloaded the Qt SDK |
| 03:36.47 | carter_ | but i can only target desktop and simulator |
| 03:37.04 | carter_ | how do i get symbian, harmattan and maemo to appear ? |
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| 03:44.21 | carter_ | anyone know how to target symbian, maemo and harmattan from Qt creator IDE ?? |
| 03:44.35 | carter_ | in demos and tutorials it is already loaded and doesnt mention it |
| 03:44.45 | carter_ | mine just shows desktop and emulator |
| 03:45.13 | carter_ | re-installed Qt SDK and still same issue - must need to do something - anyone help me out ? |
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| 03:48.15 | wmarone | hm |
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| 03:48.54 | wmarone | I haven't paid any mind to Symbian, but for Maemo it (like symbian) was a matter of marking the targets at project setup |
| 03:49.11 | wmarone | I actually wish it had been that easy from the start :/ |
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| 03:54.51 | thebootroo_ | carter_: did you selected maemo target in installator ? if not, start sdk manager and add it |
| 03:55.06 | thebootroo_ | greatest thread in da wurld ! http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23307#post23307 |
| 03:55.10 | carter_ | ok let me go try this - thanks |
| 03:55.11 | thebootroo_ | :D |
| 03:55.29 | thebootroo_ | let Mee o |
| 03:55.33 | thebootroo_ | *Go |
| 03:56.02 | carter_ | i saw that thread, thats you here on IRC - cool :) |
| 03:56.12 | thebootroo_ | yes its me |
| 03:56.19 | thebootroo_ | happy to say someone recognize me |
| 03:56.26 | Termana | heh |
| 03:56.28 | thebootroo_ | did you subscribed the thread ? |
| 03:56.47 | Termana | thebootroo_, your glamorous and famous! |
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| 03:56.57 | thebootroo_ | Termana: ^^ |
| 03:57.04 | carter_ | yes indeed :) haha |
| 03:57.08 | thebootroo_ | O RLY ? |
| 03:57.31 | thebootroo_ | http://www.mondespersistants.com/images/screenshots/28452.jpg |
| 03:58.02 | carter_ | dude ur too much |
| 03:58.14 | carter_ | me and my lady laughing :) |
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| 03:58.24 | thebootroo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.30 | thebootroo_ | my respects to her |
| 03:58.36 | carter_ | sent |
| 03:58.48 | carter_ | im a noob so yes you're famous |
| 03:58.57 | thebootroo_ | who has actually tested the stuff in my gitorious ? |
| 03:59.00 | carter_ | also desperate to develop |
| 03:59.02 | thebootroo_ | Termana: you did ? |
| 03:59.26 | Termana | thebootroo_, I can say I did, if it makes you feel better |
| 03:59.58 | Termana | moving right along |
| 04:00.06 | thebootroo_ | no i just want to know |
| 04:00.11 | Termana | thebootroo_, at least 9 others like it :p |
| 04:00.34 | thebootroo_ | 9 like but no feed back on the coded thing |
| 04:00.42 | thebootroo_ | weird world |
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| 04:01.25 | Termana | thebootroo_, pro-tip: build some binaries |
| 04:01.41 | Termana | people will be more willing to test it if they don't have to build it themselves. |
| 04:01.50 | thebootroo_ | i can build only for linux |
| 04:01.54 | thebootroo_ | 32 bits |
| 04:02.13 | thebootroo_ | and that's quite hard (qt creator doesn't do it automatically) |
| 04:02.14 | sofar | which is all of meego |
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| 04:05.16 | carter_ | (sigh) where is the sdk manager ? |
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| 04:06.41 | carter_ | ok so you have to select experimental ? |
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| 04:08.06 | thebootroo_ | to have harmattan yes |
| 04:08.24 | carter_ | weird i didnt see symbian too |
| 04:08.44 | carter_ | thanks for your help thus far - know its more interesting to help people who know what they're talking about |
| 04:09.01 | carter_ | famous but yet humble |
| 04:12.51 | wmarone | hmm |
| 04:12.57 | wmarone | my sdk manager seems to be completely broken |
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| 04:19.24 | carter_ | sdk manager is the sdk-mainenance tool - correct ? |
| 04:20.23 | wmarone | ya |
| 04:20.28 | wmarone | won't run for me anymore |
| 04:22.05 | carter_ | weird, u running old Qt sdk - did you update at all or you cant do that because cant access it |
| 04:23.06 | wmarone | I reinstalled the latest the other day, then used the updater to pull down the harmattan stuff |
| 04:24.23 | carter_ | im a noob, so may say stupid things but did you install correct bit version |
| 04:24.41 | carter_ | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/Latest/Linux also good documentation for anyone looking for it |
| 04:24.44 | wmarone | I'm just gonna dump it and reinstall |
| 04:24.45 | carter_ | it is helping me |
| 04:24.53 | carter_ | good luck |
| 04:25.13 | wmarone | I'm not working with the harmattan sdk at the moment |
| 04:25.29 | wmarone | (I have ubuntu in virtualbox, and Xephyr crashes. also, I hate scratchbox.) |
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| 04:58.52 | carter_ | anyone in washington DC area get onto the MeeGo forum and post on the appropriate thread http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3632 to express an interest in showcasing apps, tutorials, learning, meeting fellow ameeGos |
| 04:58.55 | carter_ | you know the drill |
| 04:59.08 | carter_ | dont be shy if you're in the DC area |
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| 07:22.09 | dm8tbr | TSCHAKeee: again? ;) |
| 07:22.23 | TSCHAKeee | ????? |
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| 07:37.24 | Qantourisc | BTW anyone knows why phone running meego are so expensive ? |
| 07:41.03 | Qantourisc | OK |
| 07:41.05 | Qantourisc | now i see |
| 07:41.09 | Qantourisc | the bloody specs of the device ! |
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| 07:41.25 | Qantourisc | hell with those specs i can loose a desktop Linux on the dam thing |
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| 07:43.04 | carter_ | anyone know why i cant target symbian devices in Qt creator |
| 07:43.24 | carter_ | i have got harmatan and maemo to show as targets now |
| 07:43.31 | carter_ | but symbian stil nowhere to be sene |
| 07:43.41 | carter_ | any thoughts... ??? |
| 07:44.47 | dm8tbr | wrong channel |
| 07:45.04 | Qantourisc | dm8tbr: what would be the right one one might ask next ? |
| 07:45.16 | dm8tbr | Qantourisc: I meant carter_ |
| 07:45.22 | Qantourisc | dm8tbr: i know :) |
| 07:45.38 | Qantourisc | dm8tbr: but if he is here, i'm not sure he knows the "right" channel :) |
| 07:45.51 | dm8tbr | I remember there being a qt channel or even a qt symbian channel |
| 07:46.01 | dm8tbr | was there once for 5min |
| 07:46.02 | Qantourisc | nice |
| 07:46.04 | Jay_BEE | there is #qt-creator |
| 07:46.30 | carter_ | i like hanging out with ameeGos though -- but you shot me down |
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| 07:46.36 | Qantourisc | strols around this channel to figure out the features of meego, so he knows if he wan't to use it on his phone, he hasn't bough yet :p |
| 07:46.37 | carter_ | shame on you ;) |
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| 07:50.13 | SpeedEvil | hey Qantourisc |
| 07:50.13 | dm8tbr | Qantourisc: there is another tiny spec. the meego phone runs harmattan. |
| 07:50.29 | Qantourisc | SpeedEvil: hello |
| 07:50.31 | SpeedEvil | I don't think there is a meego phone you can buy. |
| 07:50.46 | Qantourisc | AAAAAAaaaa |
| 07:50.50 | SpeedEvil | You can put meego on the n900. |
| 07:51.09 | Qantourisc | that might explain why it's so hard to get specs and info on usability and integratabilit |
| 07:51.36 | SpeedEvil | The N9 is planned to be the first consumer meego phone - but that's several months off. |
| 07:51.45 | SpeedEvil | And how meego it is is quite questionable. |
| 07:52.02 | Qantourisc | "ow" |
| 07:52.40 | Qantourisc | Is there any decent mobile phone os out there ? |
| 07:55.08 | SpeedEvil | Well - the n900 is still available in some stores apparantly - though dissapearing. |
| 07:55.14 | SpeedEvil | Also on ebay. |
| 07:55.33 | SpeedEvil | Then you've got android, iOS, blackberry, and windows phone. |
| 07:55.36 | Qantourisc | SpeedEvil: yes, but i don't know yet what meego can "do" |
| 07:55.37 | SpeedEvil | Take your pick. |
| 07:55.51 | Qantourisc | iOS: manditory apple store |
| 07:55.52 | SpeedEvil | Meego at the moment is a framework on which makers can build. |
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| 07:55.59 | Qantourisc | android: ridled with security bugs ? |
| 07:56.11 | Qantourisc | blackberry: you need a blackberrt server |
| 07:56.17 | SpeedEvil | It's fundamentally linux - but how the user interface will look is almost entirely dependant on the device maker. |
| 07:56.18 | Qantourisc | windows phone: you need to reboot once in a while ... |
| 07:56.40 | Qantourisc | symbian: no clue :) |
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| 07:57.24 | SpeedEvil | Symbian is windond gown. |
| 07:57.44 | SpeedEvil | There are to be no new S60 phones - S40 is the low-end - that's still being marketed in asia |
| 07:57.49 | SpeedEvil | winding down |
| 07:57.57 | dm8tbr | s40 is not symbian |
| 07:58.18 | SpeedEvil | Current plan is to end sybian in high end phones for sale by 2014 |
| 07:58.21 | SpeedEvil | It's not? |
| 07:58.22 | Qantourisc | SpeedEvil: what i'm mostly concerned about: does it do SyncML, webdav, imap, ?ldap?, ssh (this can be handy to fix something fast), ... |
| 07:58.22 | SpeedEvil | Oops |
| 07:58.27 | gour | can one expect to see symbian anna for s60 phones (E5)? |
| 07:58.46 | Qantourisc | SpeedEvil: or even owa |
| 07:58.51 | SpeedEvil | Qantourisc: See above - there is no meego phone. |
| 07:59.24 | SpeedEvil | Qantourisc: What appears on a phone that ships as a meego phone is dependant on the vendor. |
| 07:59.24 | Qantourisc | SpeedEvil: well if software is avaible, and can be installed it falls under "you can but" |
| 07:59.28 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 07:59.33 | gour | i'm considering whether to buy (cheap) nokia C3 and extend contract for one year only and then see if there are are some affordable meego phones available or go with 2yr contract and buy E5 hoping to be able to write some app using python+qt? |
| 08:00.01 | Qantourisc | SpeedEvil: but i have no clue where to find and check the software that works on it, and how to figure out what that software can do |
| 08:00.50 | thiago | gour: off-topic |
| 08:00.50 | gour | otoh, considering we'll use py+qt for the desktop, itz's obvious that meego is the best mobile platform... |
| 08:01.09 | thiago | gour: we don't know of any future products any more than you do |
| 08:01.20 | thiago | gour: there's exactly one MeeGo-based phone announced |
| 08:01.35 | gour | yeah, i know about it |
| 08:01.40 | SpeedEvil | Qantourisc: You might look at n900-ce - http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/CE_Factsheet |
| 08:02.09 | SpeedEvil | This is meego + layers to make it work well on the n900 plus stuff |
| 08:02.28 | gour | araujo: ping |
| 08:02.36 | SpeedEvil | It would be 'simple' to get working on a meego phone even if it diddn't have the features listed |
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| 08:04.31 | Qantourisc | SpeedEvil: if you had a n900 :) |
| 08:04.35 | gour | thiago: so there is nothing announced from intel side? |
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| 08:04.52 | SpeedEvil | Qantourisc: ? |
| 08:05.02 | Qantourisc | SpeedEvil: think i'll best stick to the plan: wait till the/a phone comes out, and check the software-specs |
| 08:05.04 | SpeedEvil | gour: The exopc. |
| 08:05.11 | SpeedEvil | Qantourisc: Ah |
| 08:05.25 | SpeedEvil | gour: No announced x86 phones. |
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| 08:05.28 | Qantourisc | "It would be 'simple' to get working on a meego phone even if it diddn't have the features listed" <= if i had a phone that could run it |
| 08:05.37 | thiago | gour: you know as much as we do |
| 08:05.45 | gour | SpeedEvil: thanks...i'm still looking for a phone, not a tablet |
| 08:06.05 | SpeedEvil | yes - if you had a phone that ran meego, that would let you screw with the software - then you coukld get all the features of the n900-ce |
| 08:06.19 | SpeedEvil | (but the vendor phone package might be considerably more polished) |
| 08:07.13 | SpeedEvil | gour: Intel hasn't yet announced anything. It's questionable if htey'd direclty release a consumer product anyway. How far they are from having compelling silicon for vendors is a seperate and interesting question. |
| 08:07.21 | Qantourisc | If you seen my desktop-software-stack, you known i don't mind polish :) I care about doing things easily, and using standards, not locking me into software X so i can switch to Y if i like it more |
| 08:07.59 | gour | SpeedEvil: having meego depend on nokia is disaster |
| 08:08.00 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, there is nothing stopping vendors making a locked-down meego phone. |
| 08:08.18 | SpeedEvil | gour: With nokias current course, yes. |
| 08:08.35 | gour | SpeedEvil: with elop as ceo, i do not see it will change soon |
| 08:09.10 | Qantourisc | Any phonemaker can lock down any phone (or try)... not sure how the OS helps with that |
| 08:09.34 | SpeedEvil | I was referring to your imlicit assumption that meego = open |
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| 08:10.06 | Qantourisc | shame the consummers are catle, otherwise any locked down phone would have a short life :/ |
| 08:10.14 | gour | i do not want to buy iphone, avoding android, not believing in wp7, webos is not certain...it really sucks |
| 08:10.18 | SpeedEvil | gour: yeah. Though CEOs move on to pastures new. Hell - with 7% of microsoft stock (IIRC) - I'd not be heading up a phone company, but doing something similar to Elon Musk. |
| 08:10.44 | DocScrutinizer | gour: go for freerunner with SHR ;-D |
| 08:11.06 | SpeedEvil | One of the founders of paypal, who has in a few years reduced the cost of spacelaunch by a factor of several. |
| 08:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | you definitely won't find any phone more free and open |
| 08:11.27 | gour | DocScrutinizer: freerunner project is still alive? still, i believe it's not usable as phone |
| 08:11.34 | Qantourisc | gour: same feeling here |
| 08:12.06 | SpeedEvil | And essentially helped to kill an overpriced US rocket program - singlehanded. |
| 08:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, some brave users (incl me) have actually used it as a phone for months, some for yeras now |
| 08:12.08 | thiago | SpeedEvil: I doubt he has 7%. That's a high number for anyone that is not billg or ballmer |
| 08:12.14 | SpeedEvil | Now that's a cool use for some billions. |
| 08:12.17 | thiago | that's a high number for *anyone* |
| 08:12.48 | SpeedEvil | Oops |
| 08:12.53 | gour | DocScrutinizer: 'used' ? what do you have now, n900? |
| 08:12.56 | SpeedEvil | Figure was 7th highest owner - not 7% |
| 08:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 08:14.41 | DocScrutinizer | 7th non-trust or private or whatever real person owner |
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| 08:16.23 | SpeedEvil | Ok - 130000 shares - which isn't that much actually. |
| 08:16.31 | SpeedEvil | Only 3.2M value |
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| 08:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | omg the poor starving guy |
| 08:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | now it's clear to me why NOK has to go penny stocks - otherwise he couldn't afford to buy it out |
| 08:19.46 | SpeedEvil | He's claimed he's now sold all his MSFT and bought NOK |
| 08:19.59 | thiago | #meego-bar please |
| 08:20.01 | boss | thiago: Error: "meego-bar" is not a valid command. |
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| 08:22.29 | dm8tbr | heh |
| 08:22.37 | dm8tbr | boss: botsnack |
| 08:22.37 | boss | dm8tbr: Error: "botsnack" is not a valid command. |
| 08:22.44 | dm8tbr | :( |
| 08:22.52 | dm8tbr | MeeGoBot: botsnack |
| 08:22.53 | MeeGoBot | yay |
| 08:23.20 | gour | already thought he is the only one being punished with thiago's 'offtopic' :-} |
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| 08:25.23 | SpeedEvil | The discussion of future meego phones is quite on-topic IMO - but not nokia CEO et al |
| 08:26.31 | gour | nods |
| 08:26.54 | dm8tbr | is still very interested to see how well N9 and N950 will integrate into the 'meego ecosystem' |
| 08:27.56 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 08:27.58 | gour | n950 is much more interested for me, but it's not sold freely, right? |
| 08:28.09 | SpeedEvil | n950 is not available to customers. |
| 08:28.12 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately. |
| 08:28.12 | Jay_BEE | n950 is announced as generally available (non-developer) product? |
| 08:28.19 | dm8tbr | no |
| 08:28.24 | SpeedEvil | If I was in the market for a phone, it's the phone I'd want at the moment. |
| 08:28.25 | Jay_BEE | didn't think so |
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| 08:30.29 | Jay_BEE | dm8tbr: so how does developer-only n950 product integrate into any ecosystem? |
| 08:31.44 | dm8tbr | Jay_BEE: the n9 and the n950 are very similar. if you mention the n9 it in most cases will apply to the n950 too |
| 08:31.53 | dm8tbr | and in this case it does |
| 08:31.58 | dm8tbr | they use the same OS |
| 08:32.22 | Jay_BEE | but supposedly only 250 n950's will be distributed |
| 08:32.32 | SpeedEvil | 250 to open-source developers. |
| 08:32.41 | gour | it's a joke |
| 08:32.44 | SpeedEvil | There are considerably more going through the corporate side reportedly |
| 08:32.46 | Jay_BEE | ah |
| 08:33.05 | dm8tbr | as commercial developers need hardware too |
| 08:33.14 | Jay_BEE | [01:32]<gour>it's a joke <--- I'll roll with this response |
| 08:33.22 | SpeedEvil | Exactly how many more is an interesting question, given Nokias strong statement of support for meego back in Feburary. |
| 08:33.42 | Jay_BEE | heh. |
| 08:33.44 | dm8tbr | actually I think 250 for the meego community is remarkeably many |
| 08:34.18 | SpeedEvil | I suspect thse are in fact test devices made back in september or so |
| 08:34.24 | SpeedEvil | maybe a little later |
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| 08:35.42 | RST38h | Forget Meego-based phones, won't be any |
| 08:36.09 | RST38h | The next thing to look for is Rasterman's project at LG |
| 08:36.12 | dm8tbr | we have yet to see one truly meego based phone |
| 08:36.31 | RST38h | "truly" is unnecessary in that statement |
| 08:36.38 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: linearo? |
| 08:36.42 | SpeedEvil | forgets the name. |
| 08:36.49 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Something like this, Linaro? |
| 08:36.58 | dm8tbr | RST38h: well meego also exists as a marketing name. and sadly you can't argue with that |
| 08:37.19 | RST38h | dm8tbr: Not giving a rat's ass about marketing. Not paid to do it. |
| 08:37.34 | RST38h | dm8tbr: Not paid to listen to it either. |
| 08:38.00 | gour | RST38h: waht shall we do? buy hp's webos? |
| 08:38.01 | dm8tbr | if you're spending paid time right now, something is fundamentally wrong with your weekend |
| 08:41.16 | RST38h | gour: I would say, get the N9 while it lasts, and look forward for Linaro, unless you want to do your very own Meego-based Handset phone |
| 08:41.36 | RST38h | dm8tbr: Not into psychology either. |
| 08:42.08 | gour | RST38h: unlocked N9 is too expensive here...let me consult uncle google about linaro |
| 08:42.50 | gour | cool, there is #linaro |
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| 08:48.14 | RST38h | http://zyalt.livejournal.com/416590.html <-- last of the Russian "Buran" shuttles being transported for restoration |
| 08:48.45 | RST38h | Nice internal photos, too |
| 08:49.06 | SpeedEvil | Is there a orbiter UX? |
| 08:50.45 | RST38h | You mean, for 770? :) |
| 08:51.22 | thiago | RST38h: rasterman is at samsung |
| 08:52.00 | RST38h | Ok, Samsung it is though |
| 08:52.14 | RST38h | As much as I hate the idea of buying a Samsung :) |
| 08:54.04 | pebcak | e17 on the moko was nice |
| 08:54.05 | pebcak | :P |
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| 09:59.25 | Jay_BEE | gn |
| 10:00.44 | Venemo | good morning |
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| 10:02.17 | dm8tbr | good evening |
| 10:02.32 | dm8tbr | .oO(we should put this channel on UGT) |
| 10:03.16 | Venemo | evening? heh! :) |
| 10:05.12 | dm8tbr | we're past noon ;) |
| 10:05.19 | dm8tbr | at least in EEST |
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| 10:08.35 | alterego | UTC it's still morning :P |
| 10:11.26 | amjad_ | we are close to afternoon atleast in asia :) |
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| 10:16.41 | jonwil | Here in Australia its already evening :) |
| 10:16.53 | dm8tbr | that's why I said to move to UGT ;) |
| 10:17.10 | dm8tbr | http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 10:20.05 | psycho_oreos | to choose between laminated ass and fried ass.. how daunting |
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| 10:55.09 | jonwil | BINGO, my cell broadcast dumper WORKS |
| 10:55.29 | jonwil | oops, wrong channel |
| 10:55.45 | MSM | :-D |
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| 11:14.14 | clbr | should it be possible to run the preinstalled harmattan apps in qemu? I'm only getting the error message "Cannot find booster socket" (apart from lot's of failure during system startup) |
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| 11:35.36 | Shapeshifter | Does this 'swipe' UX of the N9 run on meego on the n900 as well? Does someone know if it's proprietary or open source? |
| 11:36.26 | clbr | Shapeshifter: it's proprietary and does not run on the N900 |
| 11:37.06 | Shapeshifter | I see. |
| 11:37.29 | tuju | is there any additional repos/apps for harmattan? |
| 11:39.19 | snowpong | anybody know when a new firmware for n950 is coming? we bricked ours and the one available online is an earlier version than the one we got on our phone - so the phone refuses to "downgrade" :( |
| 11:40.38 | dm8tbr | 'brick' is irreversible. let's hope that's not the case for yours |
| 11:41.27 | andre__ | flasher provides several "erase" options. might work if erasing the current version first |
| 11:41.35 | andre__ | just guessing, never tried myself |
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| 11:43.11 | snowpong | dm8tbr: well, we do see a Nokia logo on startup, and it does respond to hold for 8-sec reboot etc |
| 11:44.11 | SpeedEvil | I assume you're not suffering from low battery? |
| 11:44.21 | SpeedEvil | Can you take hte battery out of a n950? |
| 11:44.30 | snowpong | SpeedEvil: not without special tools |
| 11:44.32 | dm8tbr | yes if you remove the back-cover |
| 11:44.35 | snowpong | really? |
| 11:44.41 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 11:44.44 | dm8tbr | special-tools as in 'screw-driver', yes |
| 11:45.04 | SpeedEvil | Did it stop working immediately after you flashed it? |
| 11:45.18 | SpeedEvil | IOr did soemthing else wierd to it? |
| 11:46.29 | snowpong | SpeedEvil: dm8tbr: we tried OTA on it, not quite sure how that went (was occupied elsewhere) but when we got back to it all it had was showing the Nokia logo white on black, and thats it |
| 11:46.34 | alterego | snowpong: what version were you running? |
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| 11:48.52 | SpeedEvil | snowpong: I see, sorry no real insight then. |
| 11:49.02 | snowpong | alterego: not sure, we got a notification there was an OTA available, we said YAY and thats it :| We've tried the Mac flasher, it refuses to "downgrade" - I'll try the linux one (probably the same/similar though) |
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| 11:51.09 | alterego | hah, |
| 11:51.12 | alterego | That's not good :D |
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| 11:54.48 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure about the N950, but the N8 was "wired" so that a +10s power key press = hard power off |
| 11:58.16 | MohammadAG | I'm surprised downgrading was killed, it was possible on all previous NITs |
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| 12:00.22 | dm8tbr | maybe it needs RnD mode enabled? |
| 12:02.28 | MohammadAG | not that I know of (N900, not N950) |
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| 12:09.46 | psycho_oreos | you guys got your N950 already? how much storage does it have internally just out of curiousity? (I've submitted my application for N9 devkit not long ago) |
| 12:10.41 | SpeedEvil | Some have had it for a while. |
| 12:10.50 | SpeedEvil | Corporate. |
| 12:10.55 | MohammadAG | 64GBs afaik (don't have an N950) |
| 12:10.58 | dm8tbr | nda :) |
| 12:11.06 | SpeedEvil | I don't - think - any community peeps have. |
| 12:11.10 | psycho_oreos | yeah I'm somewhat jealous |
| 12:11.23 | MohammadAG | rootfs is 4GBs, home is 2GBs, the rest is mmc2 (MyDocs equiv.) |
| 12:11.26 | psycho_oreos | I'm presuming community peeps get it sometime after the applications close |
| 12:11.43 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: Or before, for very clear applications |
| 12:11.50 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, 64GB (!) if one keeps N950, it'll make N9 rather useless ;) |
| 12:12.01 | dm8tbr | yes, 'very clear cases' are supposed to ship immediately |
| 12:12.05 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, *nods* probably also true :) |
| 12:12.08 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, the N9's the same |
| 12:12.23 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, I hear they come in 16GB-64GB for N9 |
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| 12:12.37 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, well, there's a 64GB version :P |
| 12:12.49 | psycho_oreos | dang! I don't think my case is going to be clear :/ |
| 12:13.02 | MohammadAG | to me it seems rootfs now lives on the eMMC |
| 12:13.16 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, indeed, I was assmuming that with N950 they won't give out the devs 64GB version but still! |
| 12:13.29 | MohammadAG | hey, I may be wrong |
| 12:13.40 | MohammadAG | also the FCC states a 12MP CZ cam |
| 12:13.43 | psycho_oreos | I guess only time wil tell |
| 12:13.48 | psycho_oreos | s/wil/will/ |
| 12:14.02 | MohammadAG | rather than the 8 pointed out in release notes |
| 12:14.16 | leinir | dm8tbr: indeed - the bureaucracy here is extremely shallow, and there's so many options... but of course there's a lot of cases to get through as well :) |
| 12:14.36 | dm8tbr | I expect they got swamped, yes |
| 12:14.37 | psycho_oreos | supposedly there's FM transmitter too or so I hear from some people. The hardware is there but the software and driver is unknown at this stage |
| 12:14.48 | dm8tbr | and my chances to get one are prolly shallow |
| 12:15.04 | psycho_oreos | if you think your case is shallow, mine would be neglegible lol |
| 12:15.29 | MohammadAG | well, texrat mentioned 400 requests two days ago :P |
| 12:15.46 | leinir | MohammadAG: for the 250 devices they have? |
| 12:15.50 | dm8tbr | psycho_oreos: _if_ they use ti wl127x then it has a built in fm-rx-tx, BUT that needs the proper busses connected etc |
| 12:15.57 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 12:16.02 | psycho_oreos | also, I noticed something a little interesting with the application process, it seems to be a counter for the number of applications am I correct? if so its probably up to like 583 cases |
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| 12:16.22 | dm8tbr | psycho_oreos: it's most likely an overall counter |
| 12:16.38 | dm8tbr | iow it also counts exopc requests |
| 12:16.54 | MohammadAG | 583 fits with the 400 texrat mentioned though |
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| 12:16.59 | psycho_oreos | dm8tbr, yeah the wl1271x has interesting features that wl1251 lacks in many retrospecs |
| 12:17.10 | psycho_oreos | dm8tbr, ahh exopc |
| 12:17.27 | MohammadAG | shouldn't be hard to write something ala fmtxd for it |
| 12:18.08 | psycho_oreos | though I think dm8tbr was talking hardware-wise :) also N9 was rumoured to not have FM transmitter capability |
| 12:18.31 | MohammadAG | qgil confirmed it does, on the HW side at least |
| 12:18.41 | psycho_oreos | if N950 has it connected, then that's one up for N950 over N9 |
| 12:18.52 | psycho_oreos | for N9? hm |
| 12:19.19 | dm8tbr | the question will be if e.g. the antenna is coupled into one of the headphone pins |
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| 12:19.35 | MohammadAG | yes, FMTX HW is in the N9 |
| 12:19.50 | MohammadAG | but there's no SW for it |
| 12:20.05 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> shouldn't be hard to write something ala fmtxd for it |
| 12:20.17 | psycho_oreos | ahh so they'll be equivalent then I guess |
| 12:21.02 | psycho_oreos | wonder if they'll have a proper chip that interfaces with the remote controls on a headphone. The N900 lacked that feature, and not only that it didn't have line-input recording or mic recording |
| 12:21.37 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, afaik DocScrutinizer and jacekowski on #maemo looked at that |
| 12:22.05 | dm8tbr | psycho_oreos: that can actually be quite a bitch unless you use NRZ coding (have first hand experience). besides it makes more sense to use BT a2dp |
| 12:22.20 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, yeah I saw that, N900 lacked that capability, so I think they've given up hopes of making N900 work with headset buttons on wired headphone/headset |
| 12:22.50 | psycho_oreos | dm8tbr, then again, not everyone can afford bluetooth stuff :) |
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| 12:23.28 | dm8tbr | psycho_oreos: stuff getting dirt-cheap nowadays, really |
| 12:23.32 | psycho_oreos | I mean apart from N900 being able to I think hang up? which was to just shorten the signal on the first ring, that was it |
| 12:24.28 | psycho_oreos | dm8tbr, not if you've just saved up enough money to buy N900 for instance and you wanted to make it more of a music player |
| 12:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: the mb hs don't use anything special |
| 12:24.53 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: 'mb' 'hs'? |
| 12:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | could be done on N900 as well |
| 12:25.08 | psycho_oreos | mainboard headset I think |
| 12:25.11 | DocScrutinizer | nultibutton headset |
| 12:25.15 | psycho_oreos | bah close |
| 12:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
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| 12:25.41 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: ah, did it have the proper sensing for that? |
| 12:26.31 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: my last experience with this stuff is from an Archos PMA430 which even had a LC display, but used some ugly serial encoding that was getting into the AF |
| 12:26.40 | dm8tbr | should have used NRZ |
| 12:28.09 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=21182&page=17 |
| 12:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | iirc jacekowski had some scope shots on the serial protokol. Simple one wire "common collector" pulldown on mic bias line |
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| 12:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | some 1000 baud iirc |
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| 12:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | holler if you need more links |
| 12:31.18 | dm8tbr | tx, I'm fine :) |
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| 12:42.47 | DocScrutinizer | what's driver status for nokia-av.ko on meego? |
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| 12:49.59 | jonwil | Whats nokia-av.ko for? |
| 12:52.38 | MohammadAG | probably AV connector, as the name suggests |
| 12:52.41 | alterego | Presumably driving the A/V output .. |
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| 13:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | aiui it's the bit that detects video cable, headset, headphone, and probably also hs buttonpress. Natural place where multibutton hs support should go |
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| 15:08.00 | Zehrila | Why doesn't anyone talk about MeeGo even in MeeGo-related channels? :\ |
| 15:09.04 | wmarone | because IRC isn't constant chatter |
| 15:09.48 | Zehrila | Still, considering all the activity on other OS-related channels here on freenode...it felt kinda weird |
| 15:10.00 | alterego | It's the weekend |
| 15:10.05 | Zehrila | Also considering how awesome an OS MeeGo appears to be, judging from the N9 videos |
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| 15:10.22 | alterego | Well, it's Nokia holidays now |
| 15:10.32 | wmarone | Zehrila: the OS on the N9 and MeeGo are at best peripherally related |
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| 15:11.17 | Zehrila | Yeah I heard the UI of N9 was a custom-built layer, with MeeGo running at the core level |
| 15:11.34 | wmarone | Zehrila: the UI is custom built, but the lower layers are actually based on Maemo |
| 15:11.40 | Zehrila | But overall, it seemed to be extremely impressive |
| 15:11.47 | wmarone | the middle layer, where Qt and the other APIs reside, is compatible with MeeGo |
| 15:11.57 | ShadowJK | I think the common things between MeeGo and N9 is QT |
| 15:11.58 | Zehrila | wmarone: Well MeeGo itself is based on Maemo too, no? Maemo and Moblin i.e. |
| 15:12.00 | ShadowJK | for some values of QT |
| 15:12.17 | wmarone | MeeGo has parts from the two parent OSes |
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| 15:12.22 | Zehrila | Yup |
| 15:12.25 | wmarone | but it is otherwise independent |
| 15:12.30 | Zehrila | And additional code that doesn't come from either too, I understand |
| 15:12.34 | wmarone | yes |
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| 15:14.10 | blindfish_ | does anybody know if its possible to add an "app" into the program-starter-menu? |
| 15:14.53 | blindfish_ | i don't mean installing some application, just adding a new icon to the applications-menu to start some script or binary |
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| 15:22.49 | berndhs | blindfish_: you can create a .desktop file for it in /usr/share/applications |
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| 15:32.11 | Zehrila | I can't wait till I can get my hands on the Nokia N9...I have never craved for any phone this way |
| 15:32.52 | Zehrila | Judging from the videos, the experience that phone's UI offers is what I'd call 'getting a smartphone UI just right' |
| 15:34.02 | Zehrila | Though what sucks is Nokia abandoning MeeGo in favor of WP7...while the latter in itself is an awesome OS and it was a smart business move for Nokia, it's the 'exclusive' bit that sucks...Nokia could have made both WP7 and MeeGo phones |
| 15:35.05 | berndhs | yeah choice is good |
| 15:35.50 | wmarone | well |
| 15:35.55 | wmarone | it's good unless you're Microsoft ;) |
| 15:37.14 | blindfish_ | thanks berndhs, i thought they'd be somewhere in $HOME |
| 15:37.36 | GAN900 | I still don't see WP7 going anywhere productive. |
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| 15:41.39 | Zehrila | GAN900 I tried using a WP7 device for a change |
| 15:42.13 | Zehrila | Switching from Android, the first 2-3 days were quite a hassle but as I kept on finding alternative apps for much of the stuff I did on Android, I found out it's good enough for most users already |
| 15:42.43 | Zehrila | It was after a mmonth or so that I finally decided to get back to Android because that's the primary platform I write about |
| 15:43.48 | Zehrila | *sigh* I just want an N9 ASAP =( |
| 15:43.56 | Zehrila | I'm neck-deep-in-love! |
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| 15:44.06 | maligor | Nokia's CEO doesn't want to sell you one |
| 15:44.20 | Zehrila | Heh true that |
| 15:44.50 | Zehrila | BTW imagine if N9 becomes a HUGE success (which is most likely and in all fairness will), and Nokia's first WP7 device doesn't do quarter as much business as the N9 |
| 15:44.56 | maligor | kind of shame that if you want their fancy ui, you can't use meego ce |
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| 15:46.16 | Zehrila | Well I don't mind using MeeGo's stock UI either but being practical, Nokia's UI just got it right in my opinion...the swipe gestures for task switching and data streams/notifications...took the best from other OS's and added more of their own goodness |
| 15:46.20 | maligor | I'm not so sure, N9's maemo platform is a deadend, so why would people devel apps for it? |
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| 15:46.35 | SpeedEvil | Zehrila: Then Nokia will use its contractual freedom to add swipe onto WP7 |
| 15:46.59 | berndhs | maligor: well, you get the crowd that already is developing maemo apps |
| 15:47.31 | Zehrila | SpeedEvil: Perhaps...or they might not even need to, since ManGo is going to add WebOS-like task switching already |
| 15:47.33 | maligor | berndhs, well, yes, and perhaps a few who make meego apps also, since there are similarities in making apps for them |
| 15:47.44 | Zehrila | Err I said ManGo LOL...I'm obsessed with MeeGo it seems |
| 15:48.27 | Zehrila | Being an Android fan, I was really looking forward to MeeGo BTW...since Android doesn't really have any competition that's actually in its league...iOS and WP7 can be commercially in its league but not as operating systems |
| 15:48.44 | Zehrila | And MeeGo was looking great to be in the same league as Android...would have been better for both these platforms |
| 15:48.46 | maligor | 'was'? |
| 15:48.49 | javispedro | Zehrila: note that the swipe task switcher seems a bit different from the meegotouchhome one (which was much more webos based =) ) |
| 15:49.02 | Zehrila | I hope it's still the case though I'm skeptical due to Nokia's withdrawal |
| 15:49.21 | Zehrila | javispedro: Yup...so it is =) |
| 15:49.26 | alterego | I think that Symbian is still the best smartphone OS in the mainstream at the moment. |
| 15:49.32 | maligor | well, there will be tablets |
| 15:49.35 | alterego | Beats Android, iOS and Windows Phone hands down .. |
| 15:49.43 | alterego | Tablets are lame :P |
| 15:49.51 | TSCHAKeee | can't stand symbian |
| 15:49.53 | Venemo | alterego, why are they lame? |
| 15:50.10 | Zehrila | I personally never got myself to like Symbian despite repeated attempts with devices like P910i, N95 etc. |
| 15:50.24 | alterego | Venemo: I just think they're a trend that will disappear |
| 15:50.28 | Zehrila | Was a WinMo person before Android and have been an Android person eversince |
| 15:50.28 | alterego | as a market that is. |
| 15:50.43 | Venemo | and why? |
| 15:50.46 | Zehrila | Tablets are quite useful for many people =) |
| 15:52.04 | Zehrila | In the future I see, desktops and laptop PCs are going to be the ones disappearing from mainstream public use...as smartphones and tablets, with NFC-based pairing with keyboards, mice, printers and audio devices, and HDMI output, will most likely replace them for most users |
| 15:53.15 | GAN900 | Tablets are dead in the long term |
| 15:53.18 | Zehrila | These devices are building up on the horsepower quite fast already and take a look at the ASUS Eee Pad Transformer...it ships with a dock that converts it into a netbook and with the currently available Android apps, a lot of users (except for some power users, programmers/developers and hardcore gamers) can use it as their primary computer much of the time |
| 15:53.33 | thiago | doesn't see either laptops or desktops disappearing |
| 15:53.36 | GAN900 | Right now it's just old people proping them up. |
| 15:53.44 | maligor | thiago, netbooks might |
| 15:53.46 | Zehrila | GAN900:: Not really |
| 15:53.51 | thiago | yes, netbooks might |
| 15:53.55 | Zehrila | A lot of young people use them |
| 15:54.17 | Zehrila | Netbooks are already on a decline in favor of tablets |
| 15:54.23 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: You really can't see a use-case for a ~10" display? |
| 15:54.29 | SpeedEvil | Rather than ~4"? |
| 15:54.52 | thiago | 4" tablet is a smartphone |
| 15:54.56 | Venemo | 8-10" will always be more comfortable than 3-4" |
| 15:55.06 | Zehrila | Heh there were famous people back then who didn't see use-cases for more than 64k of RAM |
| 15:55.06 | berndhs | all this display size stuff will go away when we have the retina projection chip :) |
| 15:55.08 | SpeedEvil | thiago: yes - I meant that |
| 15:55.56 | maligor | Zehrila, we were actually looking at the transformer at work last week, it's baffling, it lacks a microusb slave port, so it's worthless for development |
| 15:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | wait a little, not long and you roll out your display to virtually any size you want |
| 15:56.02 | thiago | holographic projectors |
| 15:56.30 | Zehrila | maligor: Yup, that's what I said above...these devices won't replace computers for those into development just yet |
| 15:56.41 | SpeedEvil | thiago: you cannot project holograms. |
| 15:56.46 | Zehrila | See this part in what I said: (except for some power users, programmers/developers and hardcore gamers) |
| 15:57.08 | maligor | Zehrila, I didn't mean compilation, but the android debug system uses the microusb |
| 15:57.10 | SpeedEvil | thiago: you need something behind the visible hologram to project them. |
| 15:57.32 | SpeedEvil | Or you need something in the air to form the image, or you need powers high enough in the air for nonlinear mixing to occur. |
| 15:57.41 | SpeedEvil | (which are plenty high enough to set fire to stuff) |
| 15:57.52 | DocScrutinizer | (nonlinear) OUCH |
| 15:57.57 | Zehrila | maligor: Oh...so you can't have USB debugging on it? |
| 15:58.08 | maligor | Zehrila, yep |
| 15:58.32 | maligor | maybe the dock port has that functionality, dunno |
| 15:58.46 | Zehrila | Perhaps...yup |
| 15:58.55 | Zehrila | But the tablet port should have had it |
| 15:58.55 | SpeedEvil | maligor: You've looked at the actual hardware and determined it can't support USB?> |
| 15:58.59 | Zehrila | Because not everyone buys the dock |
| 15:59.34 | maligor | SpeedEvil, yeah |
| 15:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | I see a market for *good* visors |
| 15:59.45 | maligor | SpeedEvil, it doesn't have a physical micro-usb port |
| 15:59.58 | maligor | in meego that wouldn't bea problem atall ofcourse ;P |
| 16:00.00 | SpeedEvil | maligor: Does it not have USB at all? |
| 16:00.01 | Zehrila | maligor: I just asked some guys who develop kernels for the transformer |
| 16:00.07 | Zehrila | And they say you can use USB debugging on it still |
| 16:00.12 | maligor | It has host ports |
| 16:00.14 | Zehrila | ADB etc. will work |
| 16:00.35 | Zehrila | [20:59:48] <@netarchy> insomuch as adb access |
| 16:00.42 | Zehrila | [21:00:04] <@netarchy> but if he's talking about usb debugging for shit like device driver stuff, he is probably right |
| 16:01.04 | maligor | you can't use usb debugging for device driver stuff... |
| 16:01.17 | Zehrila | Yup in that case you're right |
| 16:01.27 | Zehrila | I was thinking ADB |
| 16:01.29 | maligor | serial might work, and jtag certainly does |
| 16:02.09 | Zehrila | [21:00:30] <@netarchy> he's wanting lower level access, and the proprietary port will throw spokes in the wheel, sotospeak |
| 16:02.09 | Zehrila | [21:00:58] <@netarchy> though it's possible to get around, apparently people have figured out how to wire up a usb cable for that port ;D |
| 16:02.09 | Zehrila | [21:01:09] <@netarchy> fucking custom pin layouts, meh |
| 16:02.31 | Zehrila | But yeah, that's just a workaround so no official support, which does suck big-time |
| 16:02.38 | Zehrila | And is kinda stupid |
| 16:02.40 | maligor | I only meant adb tho |
| 16:02.51 | Zehrila | Oh...well in case of ADB, it should work |
| 16:03.07 | Zehrila | Without the need for any workaround |
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| 16:04.48 | Zehrila | maligor btw you might wanna join #Asus-Transformer in case you need more details on this |
| 16:05.12 | Zehrila | Really nice helpful fellows |
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| 18:00.28 | Saviq | anyone managed to get the recent 1.2.0.90 tablet images running? the last one that seems to run is around a month old, I've grabbed the 20110621 one and it installs, but doesn't boot. Or do I need to wait it out? |
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| 18:13.05 | pebcak | Saviq nope |
| 18:13.28 | pebcak | the last one I gotr running is from the 13th or so |
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| 18:30.45 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 18:31.52 | Andy80 | I'm not able anymore to run the QEMU Harmattan image from QtCreator. It worked the first day I installed it and I also tested a couple of "hello world" apps. Now the "Start Maemo Emulator" button is always grey and I cannot start it. Any idea? |
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| 18:34.14 | carter_ | anyone tell me what the best system to install meego SDK is -- I am about to install virtualbox inside 11.4 because it doesnt support 11.4 |
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| 18:40.33 | hiemanshu | Andy80: check the target it should be something like Meego 1.2 Harmattan API, go to Project > Harmattan > Qt version |
| 18:41.48 | Andy80 | hiemanshu: doh! It was set on "Harmattan Platform API". What is it used for? |
| 18:42.09 | hiemanshu | Andy80: I have no idea sadly, but I know Meego 1.2 Harmattan API works |
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| 18:47.06 | carter_ | i need some help installing the best OS to run MeeGo SDK |
| 18:47.09 | carter_ | any advice ? |
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| 18:47.52 | berndhs | carter_: not fedora 15 :/ |
| 18:48.21 | carter_ | haha thanks |
| 18:48.26 | carter_ | openSUSE is good? |
| 18:48.30 | hiemanshu | well anything should work, I use Fedora 14 |
| 18:48.59 | elldekaa | at least you got the worst ones ;-) |
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| 18:49.52 | berndhs | fedora 15 is a fine OS, its just that MeeGO tools aren't supported very well on it |
| 18:52.27 | carter_ | i am following some instructions and the person installs 2.6 |
| 18:52.34 | carter_ | is this viable? |
| 18:53.48 | freeedrich| | since 3.0 isn't released yet - 2.6 should be fine. |
| 18:54.03 | freeedrich| | carter_: you're not making very much sense. Maybe try some reading on linux and stuff first? |
| 18:54.15 | carter_ | i agree |
| 18:54.24 | carter_ | im trying though man |
| 18:54.48 | carter_ | thanks for the help |
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| 19:58.20 | smoku | When doing obs --local-package build, how can I add additional local package to be installed for dependencies? |
| 20:00.31 | npm | anybody wanna test on yer fav meego platform: " svn checkout http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube " --> compile w/ qtcreator qmltube.pro |
| 20:01.13 | npm | it now enjoys the benefits of a GLWidget-based implementation so videos play back nicely |
| 20:03.11 | npm | and none of the weird pauses on starting video playback using default qt backend |
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| 22:14.05 | HQRaja | Anyone around who uses AndroIRC? |
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| 22:17.38 | HQRaja | BTW I asked that question in a /amsg so it went to all the channels heh |
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| 22:38.54 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... Are there any devices comes with meego ? |
| 22:40.49 | CosmoHill | not currently |
| 22:41.05 | CosmoHill | apart from intel developer devices but iirc even those need a fresh install |
| 22:41.17 | cobra-the-joker | aha |
| 22:44.13 | cobra-the-joker | CosmoHill: it is based on linux ... right ? |
| 22:44.27 | CosmoHill | MeeGo? yes it does use the linux kernel |
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| 22:51.46 | cobra-the-joker | wow ... the IVI edition is very amazing |
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| 23:34.14 | pixelgeek | Congrats lcuk! |
| 23:37.15 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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