| 00:02.41 | alterego | makulkar: what do you need it for? |
| 00:03.09 | makulkar | alterego, in webkit code i need to detect if its building for right platform and build some code |
| 00:03.23 | alterego | what code exactly? |
| 00:03.47 | makulkar | alterego, disable some rendering feature which doesnt really work well |
| 00:03.57 | alterego | Hrm, |
| 00:04.23 | alterego | Well, at runtime there should be a /etc/meego-version or something similar. |
| 00:04.39 | makulkar | right now we have this, Q_WS_MAEMO_6 macro which is passed as command line while building webkit. |
| 00:04.41 | alterego | As long as it compiled I can't think of a better way to disable something like that. |
| 00:04.48 | alterego | Yeah |
| 00:05.13 | alterego | Unfortunately there is nothing on MeeGo like that :( |
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| 00:07.12 | alterego | Actually, maybe check for QT_OPENGL_ES ? |
| 00:07.30 | alterego | Then you know your Qt is compiled against embedded code .. |
| 00:07.46 | alterego | (though this may not always be the case) |
| 00:08.09 | javispedro | Q_WS_MEEGO returns a few google hits ;) |
| 00:08.15 | makulkar | alterego, right! atleast not something that can get in to webkit code :) |
| 00:08.42 | alterego | javispedro: it doesn't exist unfortunately. |
| 00:08.54 | berndhs | can't you define your own macro depending on what you're building for ? |
| 00:08.57 | makulkar | right.. mobility should be using it for some reason.. will search there |
| 00:09.00 | alterego | At least not with my compiler setup and I doubt with obs |
| 00:09.32 | alterego | berndhs: yeah, your .spec file can tell qmake extra defines I guess. |
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| 00:10.19 | berndhs | it seems better to explicitly say "i'm disabling ThisFeature", rather than doing it throught a back door that doesnt explain why |
| 00:11.26 | alterego | makulkar: actually most mobility stuff is just generic GNU/Linux |
| 00:12.05 | alterego | There's some MAEMO_5 dependant stuff (I think) but with MeeGo no. |
| 00:12.29 | alterego | I suppose you could also check for meego touch headers ^_^ |
| 00:12.53 | alterego | but that'll only be available for a few more releases I guess ^_^ |
| 00:13.20 | alterego | My point being you're more interested in a MEEGO_HANDSET_ARM flag I'd imagine |
| 00:13.43 | alterego | You don't want to screw up code for netbook, ivi, or atom handhelds ... |
| 00:14.12 | berndhs | i would define my own macro RENDERING_FOO_IS_BROKEN, and then turn off code accordinly |
| 00:14.38 | vgrade1 | alterego, hi, I can't make the sprint this week, as I have customers in at the day job. |
| 00:14.49 | berndhs | rather than saying its meego, because people will forget why stuff is turned off |
| 00:15.18 | alterego | vgrade1: :( I don't think I can make it either as I'm in Leicester today, tomorrow and wed, then london on thurs and fri :( |
| 00:15.19 | makulkar | alterego, right.. berndhs suggests the same thing as well, this makes more sense. Just send that extra flag while building qtwebkit |
| 00:15.47 | vgrade1 | altergo, I'll ping an email to the guys, ps ds2 is a wind up |
| 00:16.59 | alterego | vgrade1: okay, thanks. |
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| 00:46.57 | timeless | ok, so that almost worked |
| 00:47.03 | timeless | except %{name} sucks, it has a version |
| 00:47.13 | timeless | goes to hunt a better variable |
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| 00:54.05 | CosmoHill | what variable do you want? |
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| 00:57.06 | timeless | so, i've actually gotten the source side happy |
| 00:57.25 | timeless | what i want to influence is BUILD/Package-Version |
| 00:57.32 | timeless | so that it uses BUILD/Package instead |
| 00:58.09 | CosmoHill | that would be something like BuildRoot |
| 00:58.39 | timeless | i don't think so.. |
| 00:58.46 | timeless | so far BUILDROOT is totally empty |
| 00:58.53 | timeless | i'm only doing rpmbuild -bp |
| 00:58.54 | CosmoHill | ah |
| 00:59.01 | CosmoHill | %_buildroot |
| 00:59.12 | timeless | it's not BUILD/ that i need to influence, it's the part after it |
| 00:59.43 | CosmoHill | %_builddir ? |
| 00:59.49 | CosmoHill | https://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/2003-January/msg02015.html |
| 00:59.51 | timeless | i suspect buildsubdir |
| 01:00.41 | timeless | nope :( |
| 01:02.19 | timeless | hrm, maybe i can't influence that one |
| 01:02.24 | timeless | ok, let's assume i can't |
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| 01:13.33 | timeless | wonders about the best way to build 1400 packages |
| 01:14.59 | CosmoHill | quickly? |
| 01:15.13 | timeless | well, let's go with "efficiently" |
| 01:15.19 | timeless | assume i have say 5 cores available |
| 01:15.32 | CosmoHill | the plan I have for my project is make one, make sure it works the way you expect |
| 01:15.35 | timeless | note that build here is -bp |
| 01:15.37 | CosmoHill | then deploy / make the others |
| 01:15.50 | CosmoHill | build prepair? |
| 01:15.56 | timeless | yeah, my one (ConsoleKit) "builds" |
| 01:16.05 | timeless | so i'm not particularly expecting failures |
| 01:16.07 | CosmoHill | good luck with that, I'm off to bed |
| 01:16.08 | CosmoHill | cyas |
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| 01:18.45 | berndhs | timeless: before using more cores, check if you are spending CPU time or loading .h files |
| 01:18.57 | timeless | berndhs: this is only preps |
| 01:19.06 | timeless | not actual builds |
| 01:20.30 | timeless | settles on hrm, ~36 concurrent tasks |
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| 01:22.33 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.39 | timeless | ok, that wasn't very nice of me :) |
| 01:23.11 | berndhs | depends on who the other users are or if its just you 5 times :P |
| 01:23.20 | timeless | i sure hope it's just me |
| 01:23.29 | timeless | i suppose there might be an apache user |
| 01:24.37 | timeless | should have used 'nice' |
| 01:24.50 | timeless | goes to figure out how to use renice |
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| 01:28.39 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:28.45 | timeless | wonders what kind of verb 'utime' is |
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| 01:32.49 | timeless | + cd /data/mxr-data/repo.meego.com/BUILD |
| 01:32.50 | timeless | sh: %{__id_u}: not found |
| 01:32.55 | timeless | wonders what that means |
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| 01:33.30 | timeless | hrm, i need to go shopping, i'm missing 'unzip' :( |
| 01:33.50 | timeless | oh, i bet 'cannot utime' means 'you don't have utime' |
| 01:34.14 | berndhs | utime is a system call I think, changes the time stamps on the file |
| 01:34.41 | timeless | yeah, but in context here, it either means <you are not root [true]> or <this app i tried to run does not exist in PATH> |
| 01:34.44 | timeless | i'm hoping the latter |
| 01:34.49 | berndhs | so if the file is not there, it cant do it |
| 01:34.56 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.18 | berndhs | could have something to do with it, that stuff moved or got renamed |
| 01:35.35 | berndhs | tar or something made a list of files to deal with, and then they are gone |
| 01:35.47 | timeless | sh: ruby: not found |
| 01:35.48 | timeless | sighs |
| 01:36.06 | timeless | wtf does something need ruby as part of -bp |
| 01:36.10 | berndhs | or unmounted |
| 01:36.27 | timeless | error: Bad owner/group: /data/mxr-data/repo.meego.com/SOURCES/matchbox-window-mnager/matchbox-window-manager-1.2.tar.gz |
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| 01:41.03 | timeless | grr |
| 01:41.12 | timeless | renice isn't pamd (?) friendly |
| 01:42.58 | timeless | adds 'sed' to the shopping list |
| 01:44.28 | timeless | and doxygen? |
| 01:44.46 | berndhs | cant live without doxygen these days |
| 01:44.54 | timeless | for buildprep? |
| 01:44.57 | timeless | that seems odd |
| 01:45.20 | berndhs | is does yes, unless the docs are part of the distribution |
| 01:45.48 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.15 | berndhs | i say nuke 'em, nuke 'em now |
| 01:46.21 | timeless | i'm not sure how |
| 01:46.45 | berndhs | kill -9 ? |
| 01:47.23 | timeless | should try killall -STOP -u timeless |
| 01:47.33 | berndhs | but there are a log ot them i guess |
| 01:47.35 | timeless | note that renice +15 -u timeless failed |
| 01:47.39 | timeless | it couldn't find timeless |
| 01:48.03 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.44 | berndhs | kill -9 `ps -u timeless | awk '{print $1}' ` |
| 01:48.53 | berndhs | except that will kill itself too :) |
| 01:49.01 | timeless | it wouldn't |
| 01:49.07 | timeless | kill is being run as root |
| 01:49.19 | berndhs | ah |
| 01:49.24 | timeless | i mean, it would to the extent that root is a sudo by timeless |
| 01:49.27 | timeless | but.. |
| 01:49.35 | timeless | i should do it using pts/n |
| 01:49.40 | berndhs | but if you run as root off an su, it will kill its parent |
| 01:49.41 | timeless | but i'm not sure what /n is here |
| 01:50.00 | timeless | Cannot find user timeless |
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| 01:50.43 | berndhs | shutdown -r now |
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| 01:51.20 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.23 | timeless | tries that |
| 01:51.51 | berndhs | shold get some of them |
| 01:53.55 | timeless | hi marienz |
| 01:54.33 | timeless | oddly, the system is vaguely useful |
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| 01:56.25 | timeless | hrm, oh, and i need to ignore Prereq |
| 01:56.38 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.39 | timeless | chuckles |
| 02:02.25 | marienz | bad router, spontaneously reboot less (preferably not at all) |
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| 02:17.22 | timeless | heh |
| 02:18.10 | timeless | wow, my vi request from probably an hour or two ago was completed |
| 02:20.34 | gabrbedd | sudo kill -9 vi # die! die! |
| 02:21.34 | gabrbedd | knows it's not valid bash... but it makes good copy. |
| 02:21.39 | berndhs | might be better off rebooting now :) |
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| 02:27.13 | deas | how do you feel the future of meego? |
| 02:30.00 | deas | / |
| 02:30.01 | deas | \/ |
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| 02:33.00 | gabrbedd | deas: channel is usually dead about this time. |
| 02:33.15 | gabrbedd | Excepth that NishanthMenon just showed up. How awesome is that? |
| 02:33.28 | gabrbedd | :-) |
| 02:33.31 | gabrbedd | deas: |
| 02:33.48 | NishanthMenon | gabrbedd, hi |
| 02:34.16 | gabrbedd | deas: I think meego still has a bright future. I think it's future on phones is more questionable. However, Nokia *is* releasing one and it *will* preceed any WP7 phone. |
| 02:34.23 | gabrbedd | Intel is making one, too. |
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| 02:34.40 | NishanthMenon | detects touchy topic |
| 02:35.05 | gabrbedd | NishanthMenon: long time no see! |
| 02:35.15 | NishanthMenon | gabrbedd, just hibernating ;) |
| 02:35.17 | berndhs | I say Elop will see the light after MeeGo phones embarrass N**** in the market :) |
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| 02:37.29 | gabrbedd | berndhs: Don't pretend that Microsoft is a joke. They're not. They'll kick our @$$3z if we don't have our A-game on. |
| 02:38.05 | berndhs | its just my guess, depends on what manufacturers offer |
| 02:38.43 | berndhs | if the phones are done better, Microsoft has no chance, their market dominance doesn't transfer to phones |
| 02:39.55 | berndhs | Microsoft only benefits if the Nokia + WP7 phones are very good, and nobody knows that yet |
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| 02:41.30 | gabrbedd | Well, WP7 is shipping, MeeGo is not -- so they're already ahead. |
| 02:41.48 | berndhs | no, Nokia has zero WP7 phones right now |
| 02:41.49 | gabrbedd | Anyway, enough talk... I need to go work on MeeGo. :-) |
| 02:41.53 | berndhs | they have to make them first |
| 02:42.08 | berndhs | yes, dont' slow down, there is no time to lose :) |
| 02:42.11 | gabrbedd | berndhs: Nokia has zero WP7 phones, true.... |
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| 02:42.26 | gabrbedd | berndhs: But WP7 is shipping through other mfg's. |
| 02:42.58 | berndhs | sure, but the N+M phone has to be better, otherwise it won't help MS any, nor will it help N |
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| 03:09.02 | gabrbedd | NishanthMenon: You still working on the panda board? |
| 03:09.16 | NishanthMenon | gabrbedd, on and off |
| 03:10.46 | gabrbedd | NishanthMenon: doing too much at once? |
| 03:11.24 | NishanthMenon | gabrbedd, :) just another day ;) -> got shifted to project management recently, so I do try to code on the sly on weekends |
| 03:11.37 | NishanthMenon | but usually that is mostly on my primary passion - the linux kernel |
| 03:11.59 | NishanthMenon | mostly sending patches on linux-omap now a days :( |
| 03:12.24 | NishanthMenon | wish I could get more time to do some distro hacking.. but that tends to become rarer now a days |
| 03:12.25 | NishanthMenon | :( |
| 03:12.26 | gabrbedd | NishanthMenon: Ugh! PM == babysitting. I hate it. |
| 03:12.48 | NishanthMenon | gabrbedd, yeah - i hate it as well.. just that someone's gotta do the job.. |
| 03:13.00 | gabrbedd | Yeah, I know. |
| 03:13.01 | gabrbedd | :-) |
| 03:13.04 | NishanthMenon | :) |
| 03:14.14 | NishanthMenon | btw, on a different note, http://bitbar.com/blog/54/automated-ui-testing-android-applications-robotium -> something of this form for MeeGo might be nice as well |
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| 03:15.36 | gabrbedd | I thought I saw something like that for MeeGo... |
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| 03:17.47 | michaelg|nok | qtuitest? not sure if it's the whole solution |
| 03:20.22 | gabrbedd | I'm not sure if it was that. I remember seeing a youtube video on it. |
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| 03:33.00 | NishanthMenon | gabrbedd, that + some equivalent of monkey test of android http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/monkey.html |
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| 03:54.00 | berndhs | good night folks |
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| 03:59.25 | TSCHAKeee | arrrrggghhhhh |
| 03:59.29 | TSCHAKeee | OBS is broken |
| 03:59.45 | TSCHAKeee | how the fuck am I supposed to... |
| 03:59.49 | TSCHAKeee | sigh, nevermind. |
| 03:59.56 | TSCHAKeee | and you guys wonder why people never stick around.. |
| 04:00.12 | TSCHAKeee | OBS Web Interface Error: |
| 04:00.16 | TSCHAKeee | Error Details: |
| 04:00.20 | TSCHAKeee | Errorcode: unknown |
| 04:00.22 | TSCHAKeee | Message: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http |
| 04:04.08 | NishanthMenon | TSCHAKeee, i've seen few hickups with OBS once in a while, usually when OBS crew does a maintenance. have'nt noticed any notification lately though. can you drop an email to meego-packaging ML for a quick check? |
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| 04:04.40 | TSCHAKeee | i'm not on that ML |
| 04:04.47 | TSCHAKeee | nor do I wish to be. |
| 04:04.56 | TSCHAKeee | I just want to develop my ($#@($#@ software |
| 04:05.06 | NishanthMenon | TSCHAKeee, :) yep.. so do we all ;) |
| 04:05.24 | TSCHAKeee | since YOU know what to do, why don't YOU tell them? ;) |
| 04:05.26 | gabrbedd | uses chroots instead of obs. |
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| 04:05.50 | TSCHAKeee | I have a massive software project to take care of |
| 04:06.05 | NishanthMenon | TSCHAKeee, hoping you'd get an answer.. /me does'nt like to be middle man. |
| 04:06.21 | NishanthMenon | TSCHAKeee, ofcourse... most of us do the same thing :) |
| 04:06.35 | NishanthMenon | meego-packaging@meego.com is the ML if you are interested |
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| 05:23.24 | b00an | can anyone tried to install meego on hp dm1z? |
| 05:23.31 | b00an | will it work on AMD fusion e-350? |
| 05:25.23 | b00an | anyone? |
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| 05:43.49 | wazd | Moaning all |
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| 05:45.56 | wazd | Rst38h: o/ |
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| 05:48.04 | wazd | Rst38h: starting my day with blood donation :D |
| 05:48.14 | RST38h | wazd: ticks? |
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| 05:50.54 | wazd | Rst38h: friend :) |
| 05:51.09 | wazd | Rst38h: I'm the only one with AB- around :) |
| 05:51.21 | gabrbedd | vampire friend? |
| 05:52.10 | wazd | Gabrbedd: sorta :) likes exotic food :) |
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| 07:13.47 | timeless | LoCusF: ping |
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| 07:32.00 | wazd | 's dry :) |
| 07:32.25 | timeless | ? |
| 07:32.34 | timeless | needs a kick delivered :( |
| 07:33.06 | LoCusF | timeless: pong |
| 07:33.18 | wazd | Timeless: donated some blood |
| 07:35.04 | timeless | http://mxr.meego.com/theme/images/meego-errors-charactor.png is cute fwiw |
| 07:36.08 | wazd | Timeless: ehehe, true :) |
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| 07:37.01 | wazd | Timeless: I'd rather use it for "program is not responding" |
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| 07:38.38 | timeless | wazd: in my case that was the actual cause of my error |
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| 07:39.36 | wazd | Timeless: :) |
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| 07:44.01 | Stskeeps | morn david |
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| 07:50.26 | timeless | wonders what the status of the meegon generator is |
| 07:50.41 | thiago_home | needs one |
| 07:51.36 | Stskeeps | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=16584&postcount=75 |
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| 07:53.38 | timeless | supposedly there's a web version.. |
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| 08:38.32 | timeless | grumbles |
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| 08:39.06 | timeless | http://wiki.meego.com/Meegons#Creating_your_own is so misleading |
| 08:39.18 | timeless | it doesn't provide any pointer to existing meegon svg files |
| 08:39.27 | timeless | and just has links to generic inkscape tutorials |
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| 08:52.32 | kallam | timeless: hopefully, you will fix that |
| 08:52.52 | timeless | not tiday |
| 08:52.55 | timeless | s/i/o/ |
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| 10:59.46 | greg_ | Hello, Who could grant me access to meego OBS? |
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| 11:03.16 | ali1234 | greg_: community or core? |
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| 11:04.25 | greg_ | ali1234: community, I thing X-Fade is right person... |
| 11:04.25 | ali1234 | yeah or lbt |
| 11:04.32 | greg_ | thanks |
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| 11:05.09 | ali1234 | he's going to ask you what you want to do on it too |
| 11:05.51 | ali1234 | it's only for open source stuff |
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| 13:17.19 | leinir | notmart: you on the community list? Time to chime in on that flame fest about the tablet ux ;) Someone finally went devil's advocate, and well... time to point out that a set of community uxes has been in development for a while, but that intel threw their money at something else for some unexplored reason ; |
| 13:17.21 | leinir | ;) |
| 13:17.50 | notmart | leinir: uh |
| 13:17.56 | notmart | nope, i'm not subscribed.. |
| 13:18.02 | notmart | but that is easy to fix :p |
| 13:20.23 | trip901 | huh? |
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| 13:21.33 | trip901 | leinir? |
| 13:21.53 | leinir | trip901: yes? :) |
| 13:22.05 | trip901 | ppl complaining about the tablet ux? |
| 13:22.22 | leinir | well, it's not about the tablet ux itself, but rather the process of creating it :) |
| 13:22.33 | leinir | the whole walk-the-walk thing :) |
| 13:23.14 | trip901 | hmm |
| 13:24.05 | trip901 | well, in fairness, all of thre ux were developed in house before they were opened |
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| 13:24.45 | leinir | *nods* This was also pointed out... which just makes this yet another example of someone not walking the walk :) |
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| 13:28.51 | notmart | let's say this: ignoring what other communities were doing, and the desire to control the whole development is one of the reasons of the slowness of development, that in turn was one of the reasons nokia did what they did |
| 13:29.11 | notmart | but i won't add other because it's just adding bitterness at this point |
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| 13:36.45 | trip901 | slowness in development i dont think applies here |
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| 13:36.57 | leinir | notmart: i still think you should add to it... traditionally, kde has been way too much of a pushover... we can't keep doing this to ourselves :P |
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| 13:37.55 | notmart | leinir: eheh, true :) |
| 13:39.37 | leinir | In fact, i'd suggest replying and adding a link to the video you mentioned when the tablet ux coming out, and it being somewhat reminiscent of something... ;) |
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| 13:40.25 | trip901 | ooo link? |
| 13:41.48 | leinir | trip901: if it isn't clear by now, we're of course talking about plasma-netbook, plasma-mobile and plasma-tablet here :) |
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| 13:43.33 | trip901 | still, i like video |
| 13:43.53 | trip901 | and im bored and cant sleep |
| 13:43.55 | leinir | Don't we all ;) i'm sure notmart is all over that :) |
| 13:44.18 | notmart | digging in his blog archives |
| 13:44.41 | leinir | *giggles and nods* Thanks! :) i could dig as well, but am working, and also expect notmart knows his archives better than me ;) |
| 13:45.10 | notmart | trip901: ah, don't tell me about it, i'm insomniac as hell lately :p |
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| 13:46.28 | notmart | basically this http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Converging_minds |
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| 13:52.08 | leinir | trip901: So, put shortly - they could've put a bit of funding into getting notmart some help, in stead of reinventing the wheel :) |
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| 13:54.17 | notmart | leinir: the point isn't me, the point is that there was already a pretty good platform, based on qt, that will get literally years and yars to recreate |
| 13:55.05 | leinir | notmart: Yes - just using you as a personification of a "victim" ;) |
| 13:55.05 | notmart | but i'm not putting the blame to just one side, probably we also failed to communicate that most of it isn't about "desktop" at all |
| 13:55.37 | notmart | leinir: eheh:) (/me goes on the sacrifice altar) |
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| 13:56.55 | leinir | True, Plasma has, after the initial bout of people calling it vapourware, sort of retreated back behind the entrance to the irc channel, and rather than talking about it, just sort of did stuff... so yeah, maybe now's the time to open those doors back up and pointing out, to the larger world, what's actually happening :) |
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| 13:58.20 | notmart | so in the end ended up with one part that didn't get its message out, the other part that didn't want to really listen (we don't need your stinky dependencies) |
| 13:58.29 | notmart | but as i said, not time to reciminate now ;) |
| 13:58.54 | leinir | Well, not recriminate, but point out that there is, in fact, a community effort :) |
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| 13:59.30 | trip901 | interesting |
| 14:00.28 | trip901 | atempts to sleep |
| 14:00.41 | leinir | sleep well, trip901 :) |
| 14:01.09 | notmart | trip901: eh, i wish you more luck on that than i had last night :p |
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| 14:04.10 | velope | MeeGo |
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| 14:19.46 | hirabayashitaro | After reading this article http://maemo.org/community/council/state_of_maemo-q12011-1/ I was wondering how many things of maemo can be useful for meego. Anyone has an answer for this? |
| 14:20.28 | hirabayashitaro | And in particular, is the thing worth the effort on maemo? |
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| 14:25.16 | lcuk | scratches head and goes to try other things to fixup networking |
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| 14:32.21 | smoku | notmart, are you saying that developping behind closed doors is slower than the same development in the open? |
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| 14:41.01 | notmart | smoku: well, when what is being developed in the open is based on something that is being developed since uhm, 13 years or so, and is completely ignored, what is being developed behind closed doors will find they have to reimplement much of this, and what could have seemed a work of some months becomes a work of years and years |
| 14:43.16 | smoku | assuming you can reuse previous work... |
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| 14:48.36 | smoku | notmart, my point is licensing. if you own your code, you can license it however you want. jumping someone elses wagon does not give you the luxury. |
| 14:49.50 | berndhs | well, there is licensing, and there is also control of direction and decisions |
| 14:50.29 | berndhs | if you continue someone elses work, they still own it, and can decide what gets changed and what doesnt |
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| 14:58.23 | timeless | berndhs: you were right, i should have killed everything and rebooted :( |
| 14:58.44 | berndhs | that's unfortunate |
| 14:58.47 | timeless | wonders if any intel-meego people are around |
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| 14:59.11 | timeless | arg |
| 14:59.17 | timeless | and i can't actually get to there from here |
| 14:59.22 | lcuk | whats up timeless ? |
| 14:59.28 | timeless | lcuk: i need mxr.in rebooted |
| 14:59.37 | lcuk | long pointy stick? |
| 14:59.42 | timeless | i pushed the load well over 1000 |
| 14:59.51 | lcuk | or is it transatlantic length required |
| 14:59.56 | timeless | transatlantic |
| 15:00.26 | lcuk | is it intel people you need, or LF? |
| 15:00.34 | timeless | afaik it's intel |
| 15:01.03 | lcuk | roger |
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| 15:02.22 | CosmoHill | if it's servers won't it be LF? |
| 15:02.50 | lcuk | hence my question CosmoHill - but I think timeless would know since he is dealing with mxr |
| 15:03.24 | CosmoHill | the last time I saw MXR it told me about the wonders of IE8 and SilverLight |
| 15:04.57 | lcuk | goes and types some analoue notes |
| 15:05.03 | lcuk | analogue even |
| 15:05.16 | timeless | CosmoHill: it's OSU hosted |
| 15:05.18 | ali1234 | i have to laugh at the rage over tablet ux |
| 15:05.25 | ali1234 | it's not *that* good |
| 15:05.29 | timeless | but MeeGo is big enough that the hosting is mostly power + cage space |
| 15:05.44 | timeless | the actual people w/ access generally work for intel, nokia, or contract to one or the other |
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| 15:06.16 | Nils^ | good day people. |
| 15:06.50 | Nils^ | what is the state of meego for n900? can't wait to get away from maemo |
| 15:07.16 | ali1234 | not useable yet |
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| 15:08.33 | gabrbedd | hi Nils^ |
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| 15:45.33 | lardman | ~seen X-Fade |
| 15:45.44 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego, last said: 'Nah, is documented. And USB->ttl convertor is $2 on ebay :)'. |
| 15:45.56 | lardman | infobot: but when?! |
| 15:46.28 | CosmoHill | also which channel |
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| 15:47.24 | CosmoHill | lardman: friday |
| 15:47.34 | lardman | thanks CosmoHill |
| 15:48.16 | lardman | would like OBS access, is there someone else I can talk to? |
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| 16:00.11 | mwichmann | question out of the blue: does meego have support for "wifi offloading" |
| 16:00.33 | Stskeeps | define offloading |
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| 16:01.57 | mwichmann | if you're on your phone network, and wifi is available, you transfer eligible data over the wifi |
| 16:02.32 | CosmoHill | like when I've copying stuff over the wifi, when I plug in the ethernet it starts using that instead cos it's faster? |
| 16:03.00 | Stskeeps | mwichmann: network namespaces, maybe |
| 16:03.32 | mwichmann | CosmoHill - something like that, although here it's not specifically for speed but for cost |
| 16:03.49 | mwichmann | still there's a policy choice made somewhere |
| 16:03.54 | CosmoHill | i'd image detection would still be in speed |
| 16:03.59 | CosmoHill | wifi > 3G |
| 16:04.08 | CosmoHill | even if the internet over the wifi is slower |
| 16:04.10 | Stskeeps | mwichmann: i think there's a FEA# open for network prioritization |
| 16:04.15 | Stskeeps | but i might be wrong |
| 16:04.44 | CosmoHill | I see what you mean tho, there might be some way to specify prefered data transmission type |
| 16:08.20 | arfoll | surely connman will disconnect itself from the data network when it has wifi? |
| 16:08.37 | arfoll | it allready does this when you plug in ethernet and you are on wifi. Annoys the hell out of me |
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| 16:09.21 | mwichmann | I don't think it's as clear-cut a choice |
| 16:09.51 | mwichmann | there may be some stuff that can only come through the data network - stuff unique to the carrier |
| 16:09.59 | CosmoHill | what I find is that outgoing stuff moves from wifi to ethernet if avaiable but incoming stuff will stay with whatever it was using in the begining |
| 16:10.01 | mwichmann | so "disconnect" would likely be wrong |
| 16:12.11 | arfoll | mwichmann, i believe thats what android does when it comes into contact with wifi |
| 16:12.19 | arfoll | saves battery power |
| 16:12.42 | mwichmann | hmmm |
| 16:13.07 | arfoll | at least my n1 looses it's 3G IP address as soon as I walk into a wifi network i know |
| 16:13.17 | CosmoHill | could their be something that detechs the wifi signal strength, as it weakens it prepares the 3G modem for activation and connection |
| 16:13.24 | CosmoHill | s/their/there/ |
| 16:14.01 | arfoll | CosmoHill, that would eat the battery even more, and connecting to 3g is fairly fast |
| 16:14.40 | mwichmann | so disconnect-and-fire-up-on-demand might be a viable model then? |
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| 16:16.31 | arfoll | mwichmann, have a look at what android does, or/and iphone but i believe thats the model they use. I think it's the only one that truly works, no one wants two active data and wondering if they are getting charged for using mobile data or not |
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| 16:18.16 | mwichmann | http://developer.android.com/reference/android/net/ConnectivityManager.html |
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| 17:18.59 | timeless | DawnFoster: do the intel people irc? |
| 17:19.10 | timeless | DawnFoster: i kinda need to have my box rebooted :/ |
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| 17:20.51 | pixelgeek | Some Intel people IRC ;) (when they're not trawling through email or in mtgs) |
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| 17:26.38 | pupnik | they're too busy flying around on jets and going to parties, i think |
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| 17:34.12 | DawnFoster | timeless: adam is rebooting now |
| 17:34.19 | timeless | thanks |
| 17:34.23 | timeless | or please thank him |
| 17:34.29 | DawnFoster | timeless: looks like memory exhaustion |
| 17:34.36 | timeless | yeah, i did something stupid |
| 17:35.05 | timeless | i was trying to do a bunch of things in parallel |
| 17:35.16 | timeless | a normal update run wouldn't work that way |
| 17:37.36 | DawnFoster | cool, thanks |
| 17:37.57 | timeless | ok, so the server's back up |
| 17:38.14 | timeless | sadly i was silly and didn't proactively change the root view for repo, so people can't see what i see |
| 17:40.19 | tripzero | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:44.17 | gabrbedd | tripzero: Not sure what 'system-ui status menu' is... but last I checked, everything's worse on handset images (pinetrail builds) |
| 17:44.51 | tripzero | status menu is what appears when you "pull down" on the status bar (also where notifications show) |
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| 17:47.02 | timeless | anyway, i'll have dinner and move the root so people can look around in about 90mins |
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| 17:51.19 | gabrbedd | tripzero: ...and it gives you an icon for "setup" or "settings" (can't remember which) and a blank window with an X in the corner and otherwise a gray screen? |
| 17:51.44 | gabrbedd | tripzero: If so... then yes it's the same on current pinetrail handset builds. |
| 17:51.52 | tripzero | okay, thanks |
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| 18:20.43 | lcuk | sabotage, ping - what would happen if the dialer app were compiled as a shared library and linked directly into the window manager? waiting important vital seconds to bring up what is a required feature seems odd. |
| 18:21.34 | lcuk | (of course, that assumes the app is fully OO and available in a manner that you can create an instance of dialer to be used easily (ie a simple api around using it) |
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| 18:22.17 | TSCHAKeee | certain apps like the dialer should be locked into memory and their pages marked unswappable |
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| 18:27.11 | lcuk | TSCHAKeee, perhaps. How would someone find out where to test it and how much of a difference it would make? |
| 18:27.41 | TSCHAKeee | where to test it? |
| 18:28.10 | lcuk | how to set it and/or confirm that it is or is not currently doing that at the moment |
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| 18:53.21 | ali1234 | i think people don't get that no devices are going to ship with the reference UX... |
| 18:53.54 | CosmoHill | I always thought vendors would create their own UX |
| 18:54.05 | ali1234 | yeah, well, you're not whinging on the ML :) |
| 18:54.14 | CosmoHill | :) |
| 18:54.31 | CosmoHill | I was talking to someone about separating branding from the packages |
| 18:54.32 | ali1234 | also, you're not a maemo old-timer |
| 18:55.02 | CosmoHill | I've been in here since #meego opened and Ive only just learnt how to spell Maemo |
| 18:55.37 | ali1234 | the maemo community took "annoying fanboy" to a whole new level :/ |
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| 18:56.08 | ali1234 | not only do they hate everything else, they also hate the product they are a fanboy of :) |
| 18:56.08 | CosmoHill | before or after the MS/ Nokia partnership annoucement? |
| 18:56.19 | ali1234 | long, long before that |
| 18:56.23 | CosmoHill | so they're emos basically? |
| 18:56.27 | ali1234 | i'm talking before meego even existed |
| 18:56.33 | ali1234 | lol, yeah, i suppose |
| 18:56.49 | tripzero | meego is almost 1yr old |
| 18:56.57 | CosmoHill | this week in fact |
| 18:57.01 | tripzero | not even teething yet |
| 18:57.19 | tripzero | well, maybe barely teething |
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| 18:58.39 | gabrbedd | goes to get a teething ring from the freezer. |
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| 19:00.03 | lcuk | gabrbedd, see if there is a book about UX there too |
| 19:00.52 | gabrbedd | lcuk: ha! No, but there's a chalk tablet in there. Wierd. |
| 19:01.06 | lcuk | :) |
| 19:01.09 | lcuk | what did you draw on it? |
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| 19:01.19 | lcuk | draws people and flowers and fish and tictactoe tables |
| 19:01.47 | lcuk | (tictactoe is one of the best ways to learn and pickup writing on a touchscreen!) |
| 19:02.01 | gabrbedd | I draw odd, amorphous shapes and then turn them into people's heads. |
| 19:02.08 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:02.16 | lcuk | I often draw a circle |
| 19:02.26 | lcuk | then draw loads of others around filling gaps but not overlapping |
| 19:02.43 | lcuk | me and jake made a game from it where we carried on until no space left |
| 19:02.57 | lcuk | he learnt quickly to make good consistent shapes :) |
| 19:02.59 | ali1234 | impossible! |
| 19:03.30 | ali1234 | you can never fill a shape completely with circles, unless the original shape is a circle |
| 19:04.21 | gabrbedd | http://xkcd.com/8/ Not circles... but still fun. |
| 19:05.19 | ali1234 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonian_gasket |
| 19:06.20 | gabrbedd | Oh... here's the doodle I was looking for: http://xkcd.com/24/ |
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| 19:06.36 | lcuk | ali1234, gabrbedd bottom of there http://liqbase.net/liq.20110222_190506.liqrecentsketches.scr.png |
| 19:06.52 | lcuk | (the rest is a discussion from Manchester Museum about Alan Turing |
| 19:07.03 | ali1234 | "what is a computer?" |
| 19:07.05 | gabrbedd | ali1234: Nice! |
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| 19:07.36 | gabrbedd | lcuk: :-) |
| 19:07.45 | lcuk | ali1234, heh yeah |
| 19:07.53 | lcuk | was a great presentation, by a fake Alan Turing |
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| 19:08.14 | lcuk | went on Sunday |
| 19:09.42 | lcuk | anyway, playing that on a bit screen is good fun, just drawing circles in turn until we fill screen :) |
| 19:09.49 | sabotage | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.42 | lcuk | sabotage, I thought Qt was object oriented really - ie you have a self contained object that you can instantiate anytime? (as long as the factory api is avilable) |
| 19:10.56 | lcuk | like creating an instance of textbox |
| 19:11.01 | sabotage | but FYI, I'm expecting patches from a co-worker this week that will add in pre-launch capabilities, making the appearance of startup now nearly instantanious |
| 19:11.01 | lcuk | but create an instance of dialer |
| 19:11.51 | lcuk | ok, is there a bug to track, I don't see one on the page |
| 19:11.55 | lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Project/Dialer |
| 19:12.08 | sabotage | 1sec |
| 19:12.13 | lcuk | ta |
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| 19:13.13 | sabotage | 1977 and 7074 are the most relevant, and the ones I am using to get these patches SR'd once they land |
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| 19:15.17 | CosmoHill | lcuk: so you go "phone home" and it starts calling your home number? |
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| 19:25.51 | mikhas | heya DawnFoster, does https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13696 need more details? |
| 19:25.53 | MeeGoBot | Bug 13696 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Request for dedicated meego-inputmethods ML |
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| 19:27.01 | timeless | http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/ |
| 19:27.09 | timeless | (not indexed, rough demo) |
| 19:27.34 | DawnFoster | mikhas: did you also post something to meego-touch with a link to the bug to see if anyone objects? |
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| 19:29.31 | timeless | hrm |
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| 19:29.40 | mikhas | Ah ok, will do that |
| 19:29.43 | gabrbedd | timeless: that's pretty cool! :-) |
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| 19:29.58 | timeless | gabrbedd: it seems to be somewhat under resourced |
| 19:30.15 | timeless | wonders how many people attacked that url but can't really tell as the system stopped answering |
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| 19:31.30 | gabrbedd | timeless: um, sorry. I didn't mean to break it. |
| 19:31.39 | timeless | not your fault |
| 19:31.43 | timeless | unless you chose to spider it |
| 19:31.59 | gabrbedd | well, you didn't *say* not to spider it! |
| 19:32.02 | gabrbedd | :-p |
| 19:32.29 | divan | javispedro, hi. Do still plan to create /media/internal on preenv install/update? |
| 19:32.41 | divan | s/do still/do you still/ |
| 19:33.08 | timeless | gabrbedd: the parent of that url does say not to spider it, as does the robots.txt file :) |
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| 19:33.24 | timeless | so, there are 140 directories in that list out of 1440 source rpms |
| 19:33.29 | timeless | not a bad sample |
| 19:34.06 | timeless | DawnFoster: hrm, is adam around? |
| 19:34.24 | timeless | i can't ping mxr anymore, host unreachable :( |
| 19:35.39 | DawnFoster | timeless: he's in an all week meego it meeting - best way to get him is by email. |
| 19:35.47 | timeless | nods |
| 19:36.06 | timeless | is there an on call person? it seems like general connectivity within the network fell over :( |
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| 19:37.35 | timeless | argretzi: ! |
| 19:37.55 | timeless | it looks like part of the internal network failed? :( |
| 19:41.18 | timeless | ok, turns out someone was doing network maintenance, totally not my fault :) |
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| 19:42.39 | lcuk | sabotage, thanks, have cced onto them (had to just eat tea) |
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| 19:42.56 | lcuk | CosmoHill, what do you mean? |
| 19:43.34 | CosmoHill | that link you gave, that voice recontiion for the phone |
| 19:43.45 | CosmoHill | so you speak the name of who you want to phone |
| 19:43.50 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 19:44.29 | lcuk | CosmoHill, I linked to the default Dialer page if that is what you mean? ( http://wiki.meego.com/Project/Dialer ) |
| 19:44.35 | CosmoHill | yes |
| 19:44.44 | timeless | gabrbedd: please feel free to browse around a bit |
| 19:44.45 | lcuk | but I haven't even looked or noticed voice dialing |
| 19:44.55 | lcuk | still trying to get more mundane non star trek interfaces working |
| 19:45.02 | timeless | so, anyone here do theme work? mxr.meego.com needs some theme help :) |
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| 19:45.48 | timeless | it probably wants to have a couple of meegons too |
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| 19:46.53 | lcuk | timeless, theres a few folks around who do theming, do you have a rough idea of how you could see it looking |
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| 19:47.07 | lcuk | or are you just at the point of "meh it needs prettifying |
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| 19:49.14 | timeless | lcuk: generally i'd want some cute meegon for MXR, and probably some css to get the colors right |
| 19:49.22 | timeless | beyond that i hope people don't want to do much |
| 19:49.29 | CosmoHill | btw, is the N95 still any good? |
| 19:49.42 | timeless | typically people just stick a banner at the top of the page |
| 19:50.08 | timeless | CosmoHill: it's still the #1 nokia phone on flickr |
| 19:50.17 | timeless | iirc |
| 19:50.53 | joeoshawa | i just saw that microsoft bought nokia's co-operation figures |
| 19:51.28 | Stskeeps | joeoshawa: eh? |
| 19:51.33 | timeless | joeoshawa: please see topic |
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| 19:51.56 | joeoshawa | nokia is not fully supporting meego anymore |
| 19:52.09 | joeoshawa | no meego phone |
| 19:52.11 | timeless | joeoshawa: please see topic |
| 19:52.13 | Stskeeps | joeoshawa: yeah, let's take that in #meego-bar |
| 19:52.18 | CosmoHill | troll? |
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| 19:52.57 | joeoshawa | general discussions about meego no? |
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| 19:53.04 | joeoshawa | and no not a troll |
| 19:53.09 | timeless | > For 'bar' talk (rumours, gossip, etc), please go to #meego-bar] |
| 19:53.31 | joeoshawa | not rumour |
| 19:53.36 | joeoshawa | announced |
| 19:53.37 | timeless | not relevant |
| 19:53.43 | timeless | and that isn't what was announced |
| 19:53.55 | timeless | so since you didn't get your facts straight, please go to the bar, have a drink |
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| 19:55.10 | joeoshawa | then why did intel announce they are looking for another partner and were disappointed in nokia's decision? |
| 19:55.19 | joeoshawa | what was the announcement |
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| 19:55.22 | timeless | joeoshawa: go to the bar! |
| 19:55.29 | timeless | or be barred from here. |
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| 19:55.49 | joeoshawa | i don't want gossip |
| 19:55.53 | joeoshawa | i want |
| 19:56.03 | CosmoHill | Windows Mobile 7 |
| 19:56.08 | joeoshawa | i want to know what is actually going on |
| 19:56.13 | Myrtti | so do we all |
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| 19:56.27 | Stskeeps | joeoshawa: nokia is still contributing to meego according to meego-commits@ mailing list. |
| 19:56.30 | joeoshawa | that would be valid disscussion no? |
| 19:56.30 | timeless | CosmoHill: no such animal |
| 19:56.32 | Stskeeps | joeoshawa: does that answer your question? |
| 19:56.52 | timeless | (a nokia employee just started setting up a cross reference for meego...) |
| 19:56.59 | Stskeeps | the meego n900 hardware adaptation team is stil working, too |
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| 19:57.05 | Stskeeps | as is the SDK team |
| 19:57.12 | joeoshawa | thats good then |
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| 19:57.38 | lbt | hey Stskeeps o/ |
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| 19:58.02 | Stskeeps | the difference is that Nokia's "next step" smartphone was supposed to be MeeGo and the primary strategy is now Windows Phone 7. There will still be a MeeGo device made from Nokia, that's fact |
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| 19:58.14 | joeoshawa | well i know in the announcement i read they did say they will still release a meego device |
| 19:58.29 | joeoshawa | yes just probably not a phone |
| 19:58.35 | joeoshawa | right? |
| 19:58.39 | AndyBleaden | joeoshawa and there is lots of us still too :) |
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| 19:59.00 | Stskeeps | joeoshawa: N900 was a tablet that happened to have phone capability ;) |
| 19:59.10 | lpotter | joeoshawa: http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n950-meego-phone-named-very-elegant-hardware-says-cto-video-22135076/ |
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| 19:59.35 | Stskeeps | joeoshawa: long story short: nokia hasn't left the building and we're still all very much working and tired of all the rumours about our deaths ;) |
| 19:59.35 | joeoshawa | i know actually i really like the idea and was going to get one but no network for 3g in ontario |
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| 19:59.46 | Stskeeps | joeoshawa: well, then wait for official announcements from nokia :) |
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| 20:01.18 | mikhas | Three years vision lol, reminds me too much of planned economy: "And after the plan for the last 3 years failed, we came up with an even bigger and more complex plan for the next 3 years, which is - given our history of implementing plans - also likely to fail. After that, we probably need a new plan." |
| 20:01.22 | joeoshawa | well that would be why i came here to ask and i understand your frustration but you will forgive me for not having confidence in microsoft's "fair business practices" |
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| 20:02.01 | Stskeeps | joeoshawa: right - what we care about here is meego.com :) what the vendors do is technically none of our interest :) |
| 20:02.11 | Stskeeps | so that's why we ask people to take those discussions to the bar |
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| 20:02.21 | AndyBleaden | General question here to anyone who might help.I am noticing a gradual creep in boot up time.Mine seems to be a great deal longer than before? Any ideas where I can put a check safely on unneeded start ups in meego |
| 20:02.38 | Stskeeps | AndyBleaden: doesn't sound right - netbook? |
| 20:02.39 | AndyBleaden | I mean on a netbook with meego 1.1 |
| 20:02.46 | AndyBleaden | sorry yes |
| 20:03.02 | AndyBleaden | had a look in xdg/autostart |
| 20:03.05 | Stskeeps | AndyBleaden: check if your HD is ok |
| 20:03.10 | AndyBleaden | hmm |
| 20:03.16 | joeoshawa | well my interest is in good integration between a phone tablet pc and a linux os |
| 20:03.30 | joeoshawa | desktop |
| 20:03.42 | AndyBleaden | how? |
| 20:03.45 | mikhas | joeoshawa, then scratch that itch ;-) |
| 20:03.50 | Stskeeps | AndyBleaden: 'smartctl' is what i normally use |
| 20:03.56 | Stskeeps | joeoshawa: well, then you're in the right place - connected devices is a meego goal (platform) |
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| 20:04.45 | joeoshawa | the company providing the phone is of little concern to me but i am a linux only user i do not use any other os |
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| 20:04.52 | AndyBleaden | smartctl is that something I need to zypper in and use via terminal |
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| 20:05.00 | Stskeeps | AndyBleaden: yeah, though i don't know if it exists in meego |
| 20:05.05 | AndyBleaden | hmm |
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| 20:05.32 | AndyBleaden | ok will have a look ..again we aint talking minutes but it has got slower |
| 20:05.41 | mikhas | it takes a lot of effort to create such devices, joeoshawa |
| 20:06.08 | gabrbedd | AndyBleaden: Just a shot in the dark... what if you delete everything in /tmp and reboot? |
| 20:06.11 | joeoshawa | i was wondering if syncing with a linux os for callender and such had been considered |
| 20:06.21 | AndyBleaden | hmm |
| 20:06.22 | mikhas | sure has been, buteo |
| 20:06.25 | joeoshawa | i do realise that |
| 20:06.32 | gabrbedd | has noticed that /tmp isn't being cleaned out on reboots. |
| 20:06.35 | AndyBleaden | sounds reasonable |
| 20:06.44 | AndyBleaden | will have a look |
| 20:07.21 | mikhas | gabrbedd, wouldnt that be a bug? |
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| 20:07.49 | mikhas | well I mean, why would you persist data on /tmp anyways? isn't it usally mounted as a tmpfs? |
| 20:07.58 | AndyBleaden | hmm there is 145 items at 3.3 mb...not loads |
| 20:08.10 | AndyBleaden | in my tmp |
| 20:08.15 | joeoshawa | btw with a backer like intel i had not even considered nokia's announcement to be meego's death |
| 20:08.29 | gabrbedd | mikhas: I could imagne that during dev... you would want to keep the contents of /tmp for debugging... but idunno. |
| 20:08.39 | gabrbedd | mikhas: so, yes, probably is a bug. |
| 20:08.49 | mikhas | it's not the amount of data, AndyBleaden. it could be all kind of stuff. some wrong application state or such |
| 20:08.49 | AndyBleaden | i guess it is safe to delete all |
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| 20:09.01 | AndyBleaden | @mikhas ah |
| 20:09.12 | AndyBleaden | ok |
| 20:09.48 | AndyBleaden | all gone now |
| 20:09.53 | AndyBleaden | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:10.00 | gabrbedd | AndyBleaden: It's easy and it's worth a try. It's the only think I know that is "leaking" across reboots. |
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| 20:10.39 | AndyBleaden | also noted that I have changed some boot splashes ..some are bigger files..would that slow things..been messing with the moblin stuff |
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| 20:11.54 | AndyBleaden | I could try rebooting now and seeing if that has made any difference |
| 20:12.22 | AndyBleaden | and then if not remove bloated .png as a boot splash hmm |
| 20:12.47 | gabrbedd | AndyBleaden: Yeah, the question after that is, "What all other stuff have you installed?" :-) |
| 20:13.00 | gabrbedd | bah! missed him. |
| 20:13.16 | joeoshawa | i think he rebooted |
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| 20:14.49 | AndyBleaden | and reboots back in again |
| 20:14.50 | mikhas | that was a lot faster, AndyBleaden, no? |
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| 20:15.08 | AndyBleaden | bit faster yes thanks bout 40-50 secs |
| 20:15.56 | joeoshawa | so meego will still have phone support if the hardware is there? |
| 20:15.56 | AndyBleaden | so lot better |
| 20:15.56 | AndyBleaden | thanks |
| 20:16.01 | mikhas | AndyBleaden, the price for this is that you need to file a bug report now, at bugs.meego.com |
| 20:16.16 | AndyBleaden | cool , cheap advice |
| 20:16.19 | mikhas | nothing's *really* for free, you know ;-) |
| 20:16.31 | joeoshawa | or is that question not answerable at this time? |
| 20:16.37 | AndyBleaden | I will get some other info together ..dmesg report etc |
| 20:16.45 | mikhas | thanks |
| 20:16.57 | AndyBleaden | what esle is needed |
| 20:17.24 | mikhas | exact version of the image you used |
| 20:17.55 | AndyBleaden | ok will do |
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| 21:00.27 | CosmoHill | aaaahhhh |
| 21:00.27 | berndhs | i'm getting dizzy |
| 21:00.27 | CosmoHill | wtf |
| 21:00.27 | CosmoHill | I look away and they all come back |
| 21:00.27 | CosmoHill | it's like hide and seek |
| 21:00.27 | CosmoHill | leguin.freenode.net gives channel operator status to |
| 21:00.27 | CosmoHill | interesting |
| 21:00.27 | CosmoHill | I think it's the server we're on that is having the issue |
| 21:00.27 | berndhs | yes seems plausible |
| 21:00.27 | berndhs | wehre is leguin ? |
| 21:00.50 | CosmoHill | Sweden |
| 21:01.05 | thiago_home | 22:00 -!- [leguin.freenode.net] - leguin.freenode.net Message of the Day - |
| 21:01.05 | thiago_home | 22:00 -!- [leguin.freenode.net] - Welcome to leguin.freenode.net in Umeå, Sweden, EU! Thanks to |
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| 21:15.17 | *** topic/#meego is Channel for general discussions about MeeGo | MeeGo project info: http://meego.com | This channel is logged at http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/ | IRC guidelines and more info: http://bit.ly/cYT2Hs | For 'bar' talk (rumours, gossip, etc), please go to #meego-bar |
| 21:15.39 | lcuk | CosmoHill, I have |
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| 21:15.51 | lcuk | (since you just mentioned it, I didn't know before then) |
| 21:15.54 | CosmoHill | do you know if there is a PVM / MPI implementation? |
| 21:15.58 | jbos_ | hello, hey is meego.com down? |
| 21:16.12 | CosmoHill | jbos_: works for me |
| 21:16.13 | lcuk | no |
| 21:16.15 | jbos_ | mhm |
| 21:16.15 | peudroid | jbos: nah, just got in it |
| 21:16.41 | jbos_ | strange. ok, can not access nor ping it (mid germany area) |
| 21:17.09 | lcuk | did you turn your computer off and back on again? |
| 21:17.09 | peudroid | hey, any newbie-meego-tips for newbie-me? =] |
| 21:17.13 | jbos_ | some local stuff it seems. |
| 21:17.17 | jbos_ | hihi |
| 21:17.28 | lcuk | I wish I was joking. |
| 21:17.29 | jbos_ | lbt, ping |
| 21:18.22 | lcuk | peudroid, yes, get a nice ideapad or exopc and n900, download latest images - run over things, file some bugs, port some apps, play some games |
| 21:18.39 | jbos_ | oh he is not around. |
| 21:18.54 | lcuk | perhaps he has same connectivity issue! |
| 21:19.00 | peudroid | +images - run over things, file some bugs, port some apps, play some games |
| 21:19.21 | peudroid | thanks lcuk |
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| 21:19.41 | jbos_ | maybe, hey anyways... we got bit further on our "use the sdk to make meego software mission" |
| 21:19.48 | lcuk | peudroid, many things are a bit building siteish if you go for the raw edge of meego |
| 21:20.02 | lcuk | but netbook and the new tablet image are reasonably usable and stable |
| 21:20.03 | jbos_ | we mostlike did the mistake in using cmake |
| 21:20.31 | lcuk | jbos_, which sdk |
| 21:20.41 | jbos_ | 1.2 (intel app up latest) |
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| 21:20.58 | lcuk | roger |
| 21:20.59 | jbos_ | meego 1.2 (of course - just if someone wonders) |
| 21:21.06 | lcuk | 1.1.90 you mean |
| 21:21.38 | jbos_ | well, yes latest. mhm we where - after lot of work - able to build cross |
| 21:21.43 | peudroid | thinking in develop apps for meego. just don't have a n900 to test... |
| 21:22.01 | jbos_ | n900... better not have one |
| 21:22.03 | jbos_ | ;) |
| 21:22.09 | lcuk | peudroid, what devices do you have handy that can run another OS? |
| 21:22.19 | lcuk | jbos_, OI |
| 21:22.27 | timeless | hi jbos_ , i'm working on getting mxr.meego.com happy :) |
| 21:22.34 | peudroid | aside my own notebook, i have a motorola milestone running android |
| 21:22.35 | jbos_ | yea:) |
| 21:22.38 | jbos_ | timeless |
| 21:22.46 | jbos_ | how are yoa |
| 21:22.51 | jbos_ | back in the states? |
| 21:23.03 | lcuk | peudroid, what chipset does that run? |
| 21:23.14 | jbos_ | mhm peudroid, try to use netbook / tablet |
| 21:23.21 | lcuk | and how handy are you with porting, lots of activities and folks getting arm devices running in #meego-arm |
| 21:23.47 | jbos_ | this give you way better experience than arm n900 |
| 21:23.49 | timeless | nope, still in finland :) |
| 21:24.00 | lcuk | jbos_, :) |
| 21:24.49 | timeless | ponders |
| 21:25.06 | timeless | having 11,000 temp files is probably bad |
| 21:25.13 | lcuk | I really wonder what is going on under the hood of the n900 |
| 21:25.54 | jbos_ | well, lcuk we finally managed to have a working cross compling sdk for arm and i86, automatical created targets... |
| 21:26.04 | jbos_ | just did the stupid thing of using cmake... |
| 21:26.19 | jbos_ | which does not allow this "live deploy and debug on device" |
| 21:26.21 | lcuk | roger, can appup accept app+library for installation? |
| 21:26.23 | jbos_ | in creatore |
| 21:26.28 | lcuk | or is it similar to the other stores of no libs |
| 21:26.39 | jbos_ | mhm no real idea |
| 21:26.52 | jbos_ | there are some good descriptions |
| 21:26.52 | lcuk | shame, loads of people keep asking me to release liqcalendar for meego |
| 21:27.29 | jbos_ | mhm try to get it in meegocore :D |
| 21:27.34 | lcuk | :) |
| 21:27.56 | jbos_ | i try to get the same done... for my sparetime project... |
| 21:28.04 | jbos_ | peregrine-communicator.org |
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| 21:28.11 | lcuk | calendar is minor amusement |
| 21:28.12 | jbos_ | well not that easy job... |
| 21:28.15 | jbos_ | :) |
| 21:28.21 | peudroid | lcuk: arm cortex A8 |
| 21:28.46 | lcuk | jbos_, its not that easy feature :) |
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| 21:29.39 | jbos_ | :) true true... I actually considering to kick of a meego SDK Plugin project for qt creator |
| 21:29.51 | peudroid | and i never really work with phones OS stuff... |
| 21:30.12 | lcuk | jbos_, qt plugins |
| 21:30.21 | lcuk | can they access the full object model of the project? |
| 21:30.29 | lcuk | errr qt-creator |
| 21:30.47 | jbos_ | most functionality of the qt creator are plugins |
| 21:30.59 | lcuk | as in: from a plugin, can you access the class definition tree and UI model and stuff |
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| 21:31.18 | jbos_ | suppose you can. duno |
| 21:31.24 | lcuk | (I ask because I have done numerous plugins for the vb ide in years gone by to do fun things) |
| 21:31.55 | lcuk | like one, take VB project and produce skeleton code and project for liq* |
| 21:32.00 | jbos_ | well my idea is, to make it much easier to start development for meego. |
| 21:32.40 | jbos_ | currently the first 3-4 weeks suck deep shit and you need to learn and learn and learn more until you have your first project running |
| 21:32.50 | lcuk | I thought it was already just get qt creator and click the play button? |
| 21:32.55 | jbos_ | naa |
| 21:33.10 | lcuk | s/play/"Start Project"/ |
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| 21:33.48 | jbos_ | i.e. you need to know that meego targets for x compiling... (madde) are only containing the minimal meego api |
| 21:34.07 | lcuk | yeah |
| 21:34.16 | jbos_ | i.e. when you use qttelepathy, or and other lib out of the meego core compliance set... |
| 21:34.18 | lcuk | that is qt+qtmobility essentially? |
| 21:34.26 | jbos_ | + egl |
| 21:34.45 | lcuk | I thought mobility abstracted all the other lib dependencies? |
| 21:34.52 | jbos_ | if you use and core compliance lib... |
| 21:34.59 | jbos_ | na, no way |
| 21:35.01 | jbos_ | :) |
| 21:35.13 | jbos_ | s/and/any |
| 21:35.27 | jbos_ | you need to build your complete own target |
| 21:35.37 | lcuk | nice |
| 21:35.45 | jbos_ | there is no way to add libs later |
| 21:35.47 | lcuk | whats the bug number to track this? |
| 21:35.54 | lcuk | Venemo, ping |
| 21:36.04 | lcuk | did you not deal with adding/mucking with custom libs in MADDE? |
| 21:36.15 | lcuk | and not having to do it all from scratch? |
| 21:38.24 | jbos_ | i typed yesterday something on my blog... |
| 21:38.25 | jbos_ | http://www.jeremias-bosch.com/?p=79 |
| 21:38.25 | jbos_ | well, this topic really let me doubt about meego development |
| 21:38.25 | jbos_ | it feels like nobody ever even try to use the sdk |
| 21:38.25 | jbos_ | :D |
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| 21:38.59 | lcuk | jbos_, well |
| 21:39.14 | btdrucke | it's been waiting for a while so I'm proposing that I merge it in. |
| 21:39.37 | btdrucke | oops, sorry about that. wrong window. |
| 21:39.44 | lcuk | since on different UXes there is no real way to get apps in yet (parallel tracks) and building work on other components etc |
| 21:39.54 | timeless | anyone here familiar w/ .rpmdb/DB_CONFIG ? |
| 21:40.50 | jbos_ | lcuk, my point is, if the toolchain is not working and hacky... you should not start to create different uxes |
| 21:40.52 | jbos_ | :D |
| 21:41.56 | lcuk | jbos_, and if you wait to build the toolchain until everything else is done, you are SOL |
| 21:42.03 | lcuk | or whatever saying |
| 21:42.09 | lcuk | they are parallel tracks surely |
| 21:42.18 | jbos_ | anyway, there is no sense in criticizing the sdk without a complete solution |
| 21:42.26 | lcuk | yup |
| 21:42.36 | jbos_ | I do not even say its not working |
| 21:42.37 | jbos_ | it does |
| 21:42.40 | lcuk | learnt over many years to make best of what is to hand |
| 21:43.24 | jbos_ | but its reaaaaly tricky to get around, and droids, windows phones and so on demonstrate how it should be |
| 21:43.25 | lcuk | also squints a bit to see what things might look like when they work properly |
| 21:43.33 | lcuk | oh yeah |
| 21:43.35 | mikhas | the MeeGo SDK is a joke |
| 21:43.47 | jbos_ | well the meeGoSDK is great |
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| 21:43.49 | peudroid | hey, want to clarify something. The qt just run on Lucid or Fedora distros? |
| 21:43.56 | Venemo | lcuk: pong |
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| 21:44.06 | CosmoHill | lcuk: I'm thinking about maybe using c-ray for a cluster test |
| 21:44.09 | timeless | grr |
| 21:44.10 | timeless | halp? |
| 21:44.11 | Venemo | lcuk: mad-admin xdpkg -i yourlib.deb |
| 21:44.12 | lcuk | mikhas, the liqbase sdk is worse |
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| 21:44.20 | timeless | i'm trying to build a package and rpmbuild is hanging |
| 21:44.26 | lcuk | install gcc, "make" :P |
| 21:45.18 | mikhas | "oh look we now use madde. instead of using sb-conf to install a target you can now use madde to do exactly the same! no you still have to use the terminal, otherwise it wouldnt be linux-y enough, silly" |
| 21:46.11 | timeless | mikhas: heh |
| 21:46.12 | mikhas | hell, the Maemo5 SDK (with the GUI) did a better job setting up sbox + default targets than the MeeGo SDK ... |
| 21:46.41 | mikhas | </rant> |
| 21:46.43 | gabrbedd | hands off my terminal!! |
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| 21:48.23 | mikhas | peudroid, Qt runs everywhere. Even beyond the Tannhauser Gate. |
| 21:48.26 | mikhas | or so I heard |
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| 21:50.30 | lcuk | timeless, IDK about .rpmdb :'( |
| 21:50.30 | lcuk | jbos_, did you see what Venemo just posted - does that potentially offer a way round your original problem? |
| 21:50.30 | lcuk | mikhas, even more shockingly than "make", is "make install" :O |
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| 21:50.30 | lcuk | runs to tv, gnite |
| 21:50.31 | jbos_ | mikhas, only problem is that nobody really described how to use it |
| 21:50.31 | jbos_ | :D |
| 21:50.31 | jbos_ | Venemo, are you serious? |
| 21:50.31 | jbos_ | whats with rpm? |
| 21:50.31 | jbos_ | :) |
| 21:50.31 | jbos_ | what i think we need to get bigger acceptance, is some plugin in qt creator which allowes us all this stuff |
| 21:50.31 | jbos_ | :) |
| 21:50.31 | jbos_ | adding removing libs |
| 21:50.31 | jbos_ | deploy to obs |
| 21:50.31 | jbos_ | and so on |
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| 21:50.53 | Venemo | jbos_: there is 'deploy to sysroot' in Qt Creator |
| 21:50.59 | Venemo | jbos_: and yeah, I'm serious |
| 21:51.02 | timeless | lcuk: turns out that something managed to grab a lock on .rpmdb (of some sort),, so i had to rename the directory |
| 21:51.16 | timeless | then things started working again |
| 21:51.22 | Venemo | jbos_: I don't know if there is an rpm equivalent |
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| 21:51.36 | jbos_ | mhm |
| 21:51.50 | mikhas | jbos_, start writing said plugin |
| 21:52.03 | mikhas | and hide all the madde-ness behind it, too |
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| 21:52.22 | lcuk | jbos_, Venemo is an extremely active developer of *usable* user facing Qt apps that work happily on maemo and meego and windows and stuff. |
| 21:52.54 | jbos_ | dont think there is :) a rpm version for this |
| 21:53.07 | Venemo | jbos_: you can use the 'deploy to sysroot' in Qt Creator, can't you? |
| 21:53.20 | jbos_ | mhm where is that? |
| 21:53.23 | lcuk | timeless, fair enough |
| 21:53.45 | timeless | lcuk: dunno about fair, i'd go w/ unfortunate |
| 21:53.48 | timeless | no useful logging |
| 21:54.00 | Venemo | jbos_: it's in the Projects config |
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| 21:55.35 | jbos_ | doesn't look like it is for meego qt creator |
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| 21:56.07 | lcuk | timeless, which os/comp are you on? |
| 21:56.20 | timeless | lcuk: um. hrm |
| 21:56.33 | timeless | debian squeeze i think |
| 21:56.43 | lcuk | does debian do rpm? |
| 21:56.43 | timeless | x86_64 |
| 21:57.12 | timeless | ii rpm 4.8.1-6 package manager for RPM |
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| 21:57.21 | jbos_ | lcuk, that would be funny :D |
| 21:57.23 | lcuk | ooh |
| 21:57.34 | Venemo | lcuk: I bet you can install it, just like you can install dpkg on Fedora |
| 21:57.34 | lcuk | not that funny, it made timeless annoyed |
| 21:57.48 | lcuk | anyway, tv and tictactoe are waiting |
| 21:57.51 | lcuk | \o |
| 21:58.33 | jbos_ | mhm venemo, for me it looks like the only valid way to add libs to a sysroot for meego is using mic |
| 21:59.00 | jbos_ | at least its also what you get from the mailinglists |
| 21:59.04 | timeless | i've built and used apt/dpkg on solaris :) |
| 21:59.21 | jbos_ | but actually my critic isn't about that you have to use mic |
| 21:59.42 | Venemo | jbos_: 'mic'? |
| 21:59.53 | jbos_ | its about - why is the core compliance missing from core sysroot |
| 22:01.05 | timeless | lcuk: so, do i need to try to get rpm5? |
| 22:02.20 | jbos_ | mic2, imager tool which creates the image, sysroot etc. |
| 22:02.22 | jbos_ | if meego tells people, hey this is the minimal lib set you need to support and deliver in order to call your system meego |
| 22:02.23 | jbos_ | than why does it not get delivered.... |
| 22:02.23 | jbos_ | makes no sense to me |
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| 22:04.54 | gabrbedd | jbos_: Huh? What libs are you trying to add? |
| 22:05.09 | Venemo | jbos_: I'm making a screenshot for you |
| 22:06.04 | jbos_ | i.e. telepathy, gstreamer |
| 22:06.41 | jbos_ | its all meego core wiki.meego.com/Quality/Compliance |
| 22:06.47 | timeless | [riddle] so you are in a bare room without any windows or doors. All you have is a table and a mirror. What is the only way to get out of the room? |
| 22:06.59 | timeless | wonders if there are any native speakers who know this riddle |
| 22:07.03 | gabrbedd | jbos_: adding libs or -devel packages? |
| 22:07.10 | Venemo | jbos_: http://kepfeltoltes.hu/110222/Screenshot-puzzle-master_-_Qt_Creator_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png |
| 22:07.12 | timeless | (this riddle fails miserably in other langauges) |
| 22:07.25 | jbos_ | well sysroot is about compiling |
| 22:07.34 | jbos_ | so devels |
| 22:08.27 | peudroid | what is the native language for that riddle? |
| 22:08.45 | jbos_ | need to check tomorrow on other computers, but i dont have this option venemo |
| 22:09.14 | Venemo | jbos_: Qt Creator doesn't like you :( |
| 22:09.36 | jbos_ | qt creator 2.0.94 |
| 22:09.56 | Venemo | 2.1.81 here |
| 22:10.25 | jbos_ | this is some custom meego creator which is delivered with the meego sdk |
| 22:10.53 | Venemo | yeah, that's horseshit |
| 22:11.10 | jbos_ | yep |
| 22:11.26 | jbos_ | ok i go of, its 11:11 pm |
| 22:11.28 | jbos_ | :D |
| 22:11.33 | jbos_ | cya |
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| 22:59.05 | timeless | ok, i'm looking for people to browse through http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/ and give me some feedback :) |
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| 23:01.46 | timeless | error: line 6: Illegal char '~' in: Version: 2.3.50~gite812ba7 |
| 23:01.46 | timeless | grr |
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| 23:05.00 | timeless | grr |
| 23:05.26 | jonnor | dpkg <3 ? |
| 23:06.20 | gabrbedd | snickers at jonnor |
| 23:06.48 | timeless | rpm4 |
| 23:07.11 | timeless | ii rpm 4.8.1-6 package manager for RPM |
| 23:07.30 | CosmoHill | rpm4 != RPM5 |
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| 23:08.52 | mikhas | brings back memories |
| 23:09.00 | mikhas | when I couldnt install rpm4 with rpm3 ... |
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| 23:09.39 | CosmoHill | ah, it defroz... |
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| 23:20.55 | timeless | grr, http://rpm.org/ticket/56 sucks |
| 23:21.22 | timeless | so, rpm used to support ~, then they reserved it |
| 23:22.02 | mikhas | just use + instead? |
| 23:22.11 | mikhas | or not your choice? |
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| 23:24.15 | lbt | Meego uses ~ in rpm version compat |
| 23:24.23 | lbt | but only in meego images |
| 23:24.31 | lbt | not in the buildsystem |
| 23:24.43 | lbt | "what could possibly go wrong" |
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