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05:39.41 | sinny | Hi! where I can get the source code of Meego-handset? |
05:40.20 | sofar | meego.gitorious.org has most of the UX components. the rest you need to get from src.rpms at repo.meego.com |
05:42.47 | sinny | sofar: thank you so much :) |
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06:05.14 | bef0rd | hi |
06:06.05 | bef0rd | I'm trying to create a rule to make xorg not use my Joystick as a mouse, but when I added something on /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d the mouse and keyboard stopped working :P any hint is appreciated :D |
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06:08.40 | mrtroll | !time |
06:09.50 | mrtroll | wh00p |
06:09.56 | mrtroll | who's got the time ? |
06:10.24 | mrtroll | is here! |
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06:11.06 | mrtroll | sinny |
06:11.07 | mrtroll | sup |
06:12.42 | mrtroll | HEY! |
06:12.48 | mrtroll | WHAT IS MEEGO? |
06:13.07 | mrtroll | HELLO |
06:13.11 | mrtroll | ARE YOU HOME? |
06:14.16 | mrtroll | HUH |
06:14.19 | mrtroll | WHAT THE FUCK |
06:14.26 | mrtroll | EVERYBODY SLEEPING OR WHAT ? |
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06:14.40 | mrtroll | MACDRUNK, WHATS UP |
06:14.48 | mrtroll | TROLLKARLEN, WHATS UP |
06:15.05 | mrtroll | SOMEBODY TELL A NIGA WHAT MEEGO IS |
06:15.23 | mrtroll | WONDERS IF U FEWLS HAVE A WWW SITE |
06:15.25 | mrtroll | ? |
06:15.37 | mrtroll | BYE COTIGAO |
06:16.32 | mrtroll | WELL |
06:16.34 | mrtroll | WHAT |
06:16.35 | mrtroll | IS |
06:16.36 | mrtroll | THE |
06:16.37 | mrtroll | DEAL |
06:16.38 | mrtroll | WITH |
06:16.40 | mrtroll | THIS |
06:16.41 | mrtroll | DEAD |
06:16.41 | mrtroll | ASS |
06:16.43 | mrtroll | CHANNEL |
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06:32.29 | wmarone | and the troll defeats himself! |
06:32.30 | wmarone | rofl |
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06:34.03 | TSCHAKeee2 | wow, |
06:34.09 | TSCHAKeee2 | wonders of stupidity never cease. |
06:43.11 | sofar | sigh |
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06:44.26 | fale | hello |
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06:44.58 | sofar | hi |
06:45.23 | fale | I've seen that last 1.0.x build is dated 29 september, while the 1st octobe one is tagged as 1.1.80... 1.1.80 shouldn't be an alpha of 1.2? |
06:45.45 | sofar | we branched for 1.1 off trunk |
06:45.53 | sofar | trunk is now officially pre-1.2 |
06:45.59 | sofar | so, 1.1.80 |
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06:46.24 | sofar | so yes, trunk is a pre-alpha for 1.2 |
06:46.37 | fale | I see :) so, to have something really close to 1.1 I'll have to take the september 29th, one, right? |
06:47.08 | sofar | if you want to follow 1.1 development, don't use 1.1.80+ |
06:47.22 | fale | thanks, sofar :) |
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06:47.54 | fale | I dunno if you can answer this, but.... can you tell the date of the 1.1 release? |
06:49.14 | sofar | when? |
06:49.33 | fale | sofar: yep ;) |
06:49.37 | sofar | standard answer to when questions: "before christmas, but I won't say which year" |
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06:49.55 | fale | hehe ;) |
06:50.27 | fale | thanks, anyway |
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06:51.04 | sofar | there's rumors plenty |
06:52.54 | fale | I was going to fill bugs, but I decided to move to last trunk (of 1.1) before doing so, just to not notify bugs that are already been fixed |
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06:54.54 | sofar | please report any more trolling to me if you see any. PM me so I get a log and can work with freenode staff. |
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08:32.52 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
08:33.07 | Stskeeps | morn |
08:33.34 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Is "yeah, we've released this shiny platform, but you can't write your own plain Qt apps for it" *really* going to be a good message in November? |
08:33.54 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: that part i don't disagree with |
08:33.59 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: it was about the email part |
08:34.15 | Jaffa | The platform will be a laughing stock on Engadget, Ars, OSNews, LWN, ... |
08:34.25 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i think someone just didn't get the message of how big that bug actually is :) |
08:34.59 | Stskeeps | so i'm going to make an undeniable bug report for it |
08:35.03 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Indeed; but as you know a platform without apps isn't easy to make successful. If people can't use it (say to do their email), they won't use it regularly, so they won't hack on it |
08:35.53 | Stskeeps | well, otoh a really buggy implementation also reflects badly |
08:36.01 | Stskeeps | so it's a hard choice |
08:36.02 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Very true |
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08:38.06 | Stskeeps | i just spent a week getting fennec on ARM up to shape (crashed on boot for some awful reason) so we're really trying our best, but it's hard to say that 1.1 is at the stage as was hoped initially |
08:38.39 | Stskeeps | i'm kinda hoping someone will pick up 1.1 and do a n900-centric 'end-user' thing for it |
08:38.45 | Stskeeps | should be really easy |
08:39.21 | Stskeeps | especially if you take back 1.2 bits |
08:39.45 | Stskeeps | (time to bring back Mer? ;p) |
08:40.29 | johnx | gah |
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08:41.31 | Stskeeps | mm? |
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08:44.22 | johnx | Stskeeps, the thought of reviving mer and making a fork of another distro |
08:44.27 | Stskeeps | nah, not fork |
08:44.40 | Stskeeps | productize |
08:44.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
08:44.55 | johnx | aaah, so more like the relationship between debian and maemo? :P |
08:45.04 | Stskeeps | less insane |
08:45.15 | johnx | insanity creeps in around the edges |
08:45.35 | johnx | I'm sure the people who designed maemo didn't sit down and think 'gee, let's do something totally insane.' |
08:45.46 | johnx | I'm sure they just made the 'expedient' choice when problems came up |
08:46.18 | johnx | oh course, I won't dissuade anyone else from doing that |
08:46.46 | Stskeeps | but frankly.. things will look very good for 1.2, but it's a 6 month cycle away |
08:47.21 | Stskeeps | and with small leaps you can greatly improve matters |
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08:48.46 | johnx | so more like 'backports' |
08:49.02 | Stskeeps | yeah |
08:49.17 | Stskeeps | we'll be staying on .35 for 1.2 too it sounds like, so even kernel improvements will be easy |
08:49.23 | johnx | sorry. that initial overreaction is still pretty hardwired :) |
08:49.58 | Stskeeps | i think the important thing is just to maintain images |
08:49.58 | Stskeeps | :P |
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08:51.01 | Stskeeps | should make one of those images with sgx vsync.. |
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09:25.50 | fale | hi |
09:26.19 | fale | is there a wiki-page where there is a list of netbook models with the status of support? |
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09:29.27 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7881 |
09:29.33 | thiago_home | fale: I think so |
09:30.07 | Stskeeps | (and thiago might want to read that one too) |
09:30.15 | fale | hi thiago_home :). Well, I hope there is, but I've searched with google but haven't found it :( |
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09:31.32 | thiago_home | fale: try searching the wiki instead :-) |
09:32.13 | thiago_home | Stskeeps: sounds like a driver bug |
09:32.34 | Stskeeps | thiago_home: it happens on both handset UX SDK (x86) and N900 |
09:32.44 | thiago_home | ok, then a compositor bug |
09:32.47 | Stskeeps | yeah |
09:32.59 | thiago_home | can you run stuff like xev? |
09:33.06 | Stskeeps | xterm shows same issue |
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09:33.52 | Stskeeps | we've tried to imply the consequences of even xterm not working in other bugs, but hopefully this one gets the right attention :/ |
09:34.01 | thiago_home | can run xev on Harmattan |
09:34.12 | Stskeeps | yeah, newer compositor |
09:34.26 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: ta |
09:34.30 | Stskeeps | the bug fix is there but people feel it's not a blocker for 1.1 |
09:34.32 | Stskeeps | which is insane |
09:34.32 | fale | thiago_home: http://wiki.meego.com/Netbooks <-- this is the best I found... |
09:34.34 | Jaffa | So plain Qt apps will work on Harmattan ;-) |
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09:35.35 | thiago_home | Jaffa: I don't have any ready to test |
09:35.48 | thiago_home | well, actually I do. But it loads meegotouch anyway |
09:35.51 | Jaffa | thiago_home: Well, here's hoping *someone* does :-/ |
09:36.12 | Stskeeps | thiago_home: meego doesn't have plainqt, but it should still treat apps and decorate them properly |
09:36.35 | thiago_home | sees /var/cache/fontconfig/12b26b760a24f8b4feb03ad48a333a72-mipsel.cache-2 on the pmap list |
09:36.38 | thiago_home | mipsel? |
09:36.43 | Stskeeps | heh |
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09:37.08 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Feel like there should be some kind of link between 7881, 2953, 3551 and 7642 |
09:38.43 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: right, let's see how the reaction is first |
09:39.06 | Stskeeps | i (sadly) think it's something to really raise a stink over as the bug is really old and had plenty of opportunity to be fixed |
09:39.16 | Stskeeps | and it's not just so i can play nethack in xterm |
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09:39.34 | Kaadlajk | i remember trying plain Qt apps on handset day 1 image with aava, got the same white screen |
09:39.37 | thiago_home | can't we just take a newer version of mcompositor? |
09:39.56 | Stskeeps | thiago_home: that's what we've suggested but the bug got dismissed cos it was 'just' xterm .. |
09:40.16 | Stskeeps | so i think we have a tunnel vision problem |
09:40.23 | Stskeeps | hence this bug to show the exact implications |
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09:42.45 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Well, the comments are also "we're not targetting third party apps in 1.1" - so _someone_ has decided it's not "just" xterm |
09:42.45 | Stskeeps | Kaadlajk: yeah, i've seen the same problem on x86 too |
09:43.09 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i think it was just phrasing, i don't think they meant exactly what you think it did |
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09:43.17 | Stskeeps | cos of the definition of 'third party' apps in the bug report |
09:43.19 | thiago_home | put it this way: if plain Qt apps don't run, Qt developers won't develop |
09:43.24 | thiago_home | that includes people like me |
09:43.29 | Kaadlajk | Stskeeps: didnt think much of it since the day 1 image was buggy anyway, surprised it hasnt been fixed yet |
09:43.45 | lcuk | Stskeeps, playing nethack is an important usecase! |
09:44.03 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Indeed, I did wonder if the phrasing meant something like "we're not working with any specific third party apps for 1.1, so it's not a priority for any of those customers" |
09:44.31 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i did at first wonder too but that was way too insane as we might as well just ditch SDK program as well if that was the attitude.. |
09:44.37 | thiago_home | sounds like 1.1 is not meant for actual device shipment |
09:44.37 | Stskeeps | which hasn't happened ;) |
09:44.59 | thiago_home | "no one is going to install anything on 1.1, so we don't have to worry about apps we don't ship" |
09:45.16 | Stskeeps | well, people are basing things on 1.0 so. |
09:45.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
09:45.32 | thiago_home | there's a very good reason why people are doing that: |
09:45.36 | thiago_home | 1.0 is out, 1.1 isn't |
09:45.37 | TermanaN900 | thiago_home, i assure you, that's not how tech media will see it |
09:45.48 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
09:46.02 | Stskeeps | but we really shouldn't deploy a platform for anyone to base anything off that meego api apps won't work on :) |
09:46.19 | TermanaN900 | and MeeGo needs all the good PR it can get at the moment |
09:46.28 | fale | 1.1 will have support for mp3 etc in repo? (or like 1.0 you need to add an external repo or compile) |
09:46.31 | Jaffa | TermanaN900: I don't think anyone's disagreeing with you here ;-) |
09:46.42 | lcuk | Stskeeps, any idea how thp managed to get the gtk preview of gpodder running on it? or was that complete mockup not on device? |
09:47.02 | Stskeeps | fale: no, royalty issues |
09:47.17 | Stskeeps | lcuk: uncertain |
09:47.32 | fale | Stskeeps: even for just putting a package into the repo (like all the distro do?) |
09:47.50 | Stskeeps | fale: repo server is in the US, :P |
09:48.02 | fale | Stskeeps: uh, I see the problem ;) |
09:48.03 | Stskeeps | fale: nothing stops anyone rom putting up their own repo though |
09:48.22 | fale | Stskeeps: like the ctual community repo of 1.0 |
09:48.27 | Stskeeps | fale: for instance |
09:49.34 | Stskeeps | lcuk: it's possible to make things work a little bit if you kill mdecorator |
09:49.58 | Stskeeps | but that's really a fail too |
09:50.13 | lcuk | wonders how things work on the xvideo uncomposited channel |
09:50.33 | Stskeeps | not sure if we've tested xv or not |
09:50.41 | Stskeeps | i guess we have |
09:50.53 | lcuk | no but theres newer xv around i assume |
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09:51.20 | lcuk | will get motivated to look next week |
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11:28.36 | steinex | where can i find harmattan firmware? |
11:29.21 | stephg | you won't find harmattan firmware :) |
11:29.34 | stephg | MeeGo on the other hand you will find here: |
11:29.50 | stephg | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/ |
11:29.55 | lcuk | steinex, speak with your nokia wrangler and note this channel is publicly logged |
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11:34.49 | apexi200sx | i am thinking of getting a phone i can do dev work for in python, i was looking at symbian phones as these have good support for python, but the gui is very limited, the other is maemo (n900) but was wondering am i right in thinking meego is now the OS Nokia is gonna be using for new smart phones |
11:35.38 | steinex | hmm |
11:35.40 | blino | apexi200sx: off-topic, but there's also openmoko |
11:35.52 | steinex | the meego site states that native install of meego on n900 is not possible |
11:35.56 | steinex | is that true? |
11:36.07 | steinex | i have no sd-card and would rather like to flash it directly |
11:36.07 | stephg | not yet, yeah |
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11:40.18 | apexi200sx | ok |
11:40.53 | apexi200sx | i am thinking whether to wait for the N9 although detials of features are sketchy |
11:41.29 | lcuk | hmm |
11:41.44 | lcuk | if you have a need to do something now, base your decisions on what you know today |
11:41.50 | stephg | ^this |
11:41.51 | Jaffa | apexi200sx: I'd guess at "everything the N900 does, but better". |
11:41.54 | Jaffa | But what lcuk said. |
11:42.29 | stephg | there isn't a firm release date yet and even then it may slip into next year, so if you want to develop now... |
11:42.30 | apexi200sx | yeah thats what i m thinking, the n900 has been out a while and maybe the OS wonl;t be upgradeable, and Maemo is now being replaced with meego, hence wait for N9 |
11:42.54 | apexi200sx | and for me to buy a n900 (SIM free unlockled) is like £320 |
11:43.10 | stephg | well the N9 will cost more :) |
11:43.21 | lcuk | apexi200sx, the developer story around qt utilisations is that qt is best whether you want maemo meego or symbian |
11:43.22 | apexi200sx | yeah i understand that |
11:43.22 | stephg | oh, and all N900 are unlocked btw |
11:43.23 | apexi200sx | lol |
11:43.42 | apexi200sx | yep i agree QT is the way to go |
11:44.05 | RST38h | Once N9 will be out, it also won't be upgradeable, so it makes sense to wait for N10 |
11:44.06 | apexi200sx | unfortunately there aren;t any QT bindings for Python on Symbian |
11:44.18 | apexi200sx | otherwise i would use that |
11:44.28 | apexi200sx | and C++ dev on Symbian, is painful |
11:44.36 | apexi200sx | in fact C++ dev is painful IMHO |
11:44.49 | leinir | That's because you're not thinking in Qt yet ;) |
11:44.51 | RST38h | Any development is painful, in fact. |
11:45.15 | RST38h | But blogging is not! |
11:45.26 | leinir | RST38h: Like, totally! ;) |
11:45.45 | leinir | apexi200sx: And, specifically, it's Qt, not QuickTime ;) |
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11:46.03 | stephg | now QT, *that's* painful ;) |
11:46.21 | leinir | Indeed :) |
11:46.32 | lcuk | apexi200sx, didnt you say python was heavily used in symbian? |
11:46.53 | lcuk | " i was looking at symbian phones as these have good support for python," |
11:46.54 | lcuk | sorry |
11:47.04 | coffeecat | "on the qt" |
11:47.13 | lcuk | good support but umm, err cant do qt :P |
11:47.19 | apexi200sx | i have devlioped mobile web app for field workers, but if there's no mobile data coverage it causes problems hence wanting to create a native app for "offline" usage, i could either go Android, Iphone Windows mobile or Maemo/Meego, the latter is the only one with full python support and i could whip an app up much quicker |
11:47.29 | lcuk | afaik theres 2 sets of qt bindings for qt on n900 |
11:47.53 | apexi200sx | lcuk: yeah pyqt and pyside |
11:48.09 | apexi200sx | pyside is the Nokia supported (and open sourced) binding |
11:48.15 | lcuk | apexi200sx, betting that whichever platform toolkit you choose it wont be as simple as you think ! |
11:48.50 | stephg | the other thing we should say as well is that you don't need an N900 to do the development (or even the testing for that matter) |
11:49.43 | apexi200sx | stephg: I could go the umulator route but in the past i have found apps that should work and do in the emulator, then has problems on the device |
11:50.52 | apexi200sx | i used to do windows mobile dev, but now MS has sort of abandoned that platform in favour of Windows mobile 7 which now requires development in a "special" version of silverlight |
11:50.55 | apexi200sx | PITA |
11:51.47 | stephg | I'm not an app developer (I'm not any kind of developer for that matter) so I can't comment really but I believe the qemu image is pretty close to the real thing |
11:52.36 | lcuk | stephg, its a PITA to pickup my desktop and rotate to portrait |
11:52.47 | lcuk | or you know, touch it |
11:53.24 | lcuk | but yes it works |
11:53.37 | stephg | heh, well the touch yes |
11:53.51 | stephg | I thought ctrl-alt-R rotated? |
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11:54.03 | stephg | hasn't ever tried so doesn't know what he's talking about |
11:54.56 | coffeecat | the android dudes say to always test on a real device too even though the emulator is really good |
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11:55.21 | lcuk | has never run his apps in emulator |
11:55.25 | lcuk | nobody else has either |
11:56.03 | lcuk | makes a note to try again |
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15:34.10 | fale | hi |
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15:34.47 | Stskeeps | hi |
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15:35.48 | fale | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.99/1.0.99.0.20101001.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ <-- this is the mostrecent image I've seen... but on the bugtraker I saw the version 1.0.99.3... but I can't find it :( does someone know where is the last version? |
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15:36.09 | thiago_home | get that image and then upgrade as soon as it's installed |
15:36.30 | fale | thiago_home: that image does not start on my netbook :( |
15:36.53 | thiago_home | any error messages? |
15:37.12 | thiago_home | try an older image that does boot then |
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15:40.17 | fale | thiago_home: >=1.0.3are fine, and 1.0.90.0 is fine too... no error messages, when the "MeeGo" image appears, soon appear the underscore like the tty one and it hangs |
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15:40.43 | fale | ops, <=1.0.3 |
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15:42.43 | Chani | hey, does anyone know the sizing system for hte conference t-shirts? I can be anywhere from XS to L depending on who made the shirts :P |
15:43.02 | fale | thiago_home: the problem with 1.0.90.0 is that I can't update anything... maybe I have to change the repo? |
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17:07.30 | c3l | how linuxy will the meego on smartphones/mediaphones bee? as far as I understand maemo is basically a computer in your pocket, able to make calls. will meego allow me to run any debian apps, have full shell access etc? |
17:08.02 | Stskeeps | c3l: well, if we say remove 'debian' and say 'posix' instead.. |
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17:08.14 | Stskeeps | c3l: i can ssh in to my meego on n900 and run with coreutils, bash, install packages with zypper.. |
17:09.16 | leinir | c3l: So, very linuxy indeed :) what you are probably asking for, really, is "Does it have an X server", and the answer to that is yes :) |
17:09.29 | c3l | sweet :) |
17:09.45 | leinir | The reason i guess that's likely to be your question is that's what people tend to mean when they ask that ;) |
17:09.45 | Stskeeps | c3l: however, vendors may lock the devices down.. |
17:09.49 | Stskeeps | but underneath it'd be real linux |
17:11.45 | c3l | hopefully nokia keeps the n9 as open as the n900 was with meego. something linuxy for real in my pocket is what im looking for. and buying a n900 now doesnt feel like a smart move, as newer things are on their way |
17:11.52 | Stskeeps | well |
17:11.58 | Stskeeps | there'll be open and closed mode |
17:12.04 | Stskeeps | in open mode you can't use DRM material |
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17:12.50 | c3l | you wont be able to force drm material on me even in my grave |
17:12.57 | Stskeeps | excellent |
17:13.05 | Stskeeps | then you'll be happy in open mode |
17:13.05 | fale | Stskeeps: will the closehave the terminal? |
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17:13.47 | Stskeeps | no idea |
17:13.55 | Stskeeps | this is just based on what we heard on maemo summit |
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17:14.02 | fale | Stskeeps: I see, thanks ;) |
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17:16.10 | c3l | how far into development is meego, when can one expect it to be released together with a smart-/media-phone? |
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17:16.22 | Stskeeps | dunno |
17:16.27 | Stskeeps | personally i expect something on 1.2 instead |
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17:16.57 | fale | Stskeeps: you don't belive nokia will release something (n9?) with 1.1? |
17:17.20 | Stskeeps | fale: harmattan isn't meego 1.0 or 1.1 based, it's maemo 6 |
17:17.56 | fale | Stskeeps: maybe I lost a piece... I read that the n9 would have been released with meego... |
17:18.04 | Stskeeps | yes, they're doing some weird marketing tricks :) |
17:18.17 | Stskeeps | meego came a little late in the picture to be a stable platform from day one |
17:18.18 | fale | Stskeeps: oh, I see ;) |
17:18.26 | Stskeeps | but i don't know what nokia will release, i only dabble on meego.com :) |
17:18.31 | c3l | so theres a difference between maemo 6 and meego? |
17:18.40 | Stskeeps | yes |
17:18.46 | Stskeeps | hopefully maemo 6 dies pretty quickly |
17:18.59 | fale | Stskeeps: is a gtk vs qt thing? |
17:19.04 | Stskeeps | no |
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17:19.20 | Stskeeps | more like timelines |
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17:20.37 | c3l | wait what, will the n9 not run meego? will the ship it with a dying platform? |
17:21.28 | Stskeeps | c3l: it's complicated, try go to talk.maemo.org and search for meego-harmattan |
17:21.45 | c3l | hm okay. thanks! |
17:21.59 | fale | on wikipedia seems like harmattan is based on meego... I'll look there too :), thanks Stskeeps |
17:22.18 | Stskeeps | for all purposes, just concentrate on meego |
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17:24.34 | vkvraju | Hi All |
17:24.41 | fale | hi vkvraju |
17:24.59 | vkvraju | hi fale: |
17:25.14 | fale | Stskeeps: I'm installing last version to make some trouble-shooting (and bug filled) before 1.1 :) |
17:25.23 | Stskeeps | fale: on n900? |
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17:25.42 | fale | Stskeeps: sadly I only have an asus 900a ;) |
17:26.03 | Stskeeps | ah |
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17:27.24 | fale | Stskeeps: I' asking about nokia's meego phone because I'm looking for changing my old phone ;) |
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17:36.45 | CosmoHill | pokes cb_ |
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18:51.59 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Can the N900 image charge the battery? |
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18:53.35 | Stskeeps | yes but not wall charger |
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19:56.12 | berndhs | where do I submit a bug report for the ISO country codes ? |
19:57.33 | Jaffa | berndhs: ISO themselves, presumably |
19:57.43 | Jaffa | berndhs: You think you've found a bug in ISO-3166?! |
19:57.55 | berndhs | yes, you cannot say "no country" in ISO |
19:58.12 | Jaffa | "" or NULL |
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19:58.25 | berndhs | sure but that's not valid |
19:58.41 | berndhs | they should have a zero in their numbering scheme :) |
19:58.44 | Jaffa | berndhs: That depends on your app |
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19:59.04 | berndhs | right, it is up to the app hwo to handle invalid codes |
19:59.08 | sp3000 | just steal norway's, they won't mind |
19:59.27 | sp3000 | or, (blame) canada |
19:59.43 | berndhs | antarctica won't start a war over it I assume |
20:00.00 | Jaffa | Or VA. You might burn in hell, but you'll only piss off the 6 people who live there. |
20:00.14 | Stskeeps | berndhs: don't underestimate the penguins |
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20:13.23 | CosmoHill | I swear I just saw an iMac on a windows advert |
20:15.25 | Tuco_maria | there are mac boys everiwhere |
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22:21.02 | CosmoHill | cyas |
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