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07:02.09thopiekarmoin
07:03.04thopiekarI tried to install meego on my T91 but after the install Grub says that "Initial menu has no LABEL entries!"
07:03.10thopiekarhow can i fix that?
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07:04.09thopiekarI got the ready made images for installation via usb from linux-tracker.org/.com and just dd' the image on my usb stick
07:04.15thopiekarvgrade: ^
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07:04.58thopiekarnow after a time it says "Could not find kernel image: vesamenu.c32"
07:05.04thopiekar:S
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07:22.38JaffaMorning, all
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07:23.54thopiekarmoin Jaffa
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07:26.58magie_01123can u please tell me which dektop utilityeg gnome is used in meego
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07:27.40thiago_homemagie_01123: mutter + moblin
07:27.50thiago_homemagie_01123: on the netbook edition, that is
07:27.58thiago_homeon the others, it's mcompositor
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07:28.20magie_01123thanks
07:29.06lbtfinishes his looong commute to work and says "good morning" ... especially to Jaffa ;)
07:29.09magie_01123on IVI ?
07:30.23thiago_homemcompositor
07:32.42magie_01123@thiago_home is mcompositor open source
07:32.52thiago_homeyes
07:33.06thiago_homeeverything in core MeeGo is open source
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07:33.17w00t_thiago_home: it isn't mcompositor on ivi
07:33.19w00t_it's matchbox
07:33.47thiago_homeit is?
07:33.52w00t_yup
07:34.39Jaffalbt: :-p
07:35.04Jaffalbt: Nice short commute to work this morning: one bus ride. Admittedly, the bus is Swedish; and the office is in Stockholm...
07:35.14lbtheh
07:35.23Jaffaneeds to find something touristy to do on his own on Saturday (or sit in the hotel room hacking on Maemo stuff)
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07:36.03magie_01123is there an SDK avialable for Meego IVI release?
07:37.08thiago_homereads "customer inside before intel inside please intel guys" in meego-dev@ 3 times and gives up trying to understand
07:38.42thiago_homemagie_01123: there's no application SDK yet
07:38.55magie_01123ok thanks
07:39.48faboyou have more patience than me, I read the sentence 2 times and mail deleted
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07:42.24magie_01123@thiago_home does the meego IVI use gnome also? i cud gnome in the ivi repository
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07:44.16thiago_homemeego doesn't use gnome
07:44.26thiago_homemeego uses some gnome apps in some of the verticals
07:44.40lbtthiago_home: http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/08/are-intel-subverting-meegocom.html
07:45.02TermanaN900you could gnome in the ivi repository? please tell me this process of gnoming in :P
07:45.11lbtsince I implicated you...
07:45.48thiago_homelbt: so, the same applies to Maemo5 because the ARM images don't run on generic x86?
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07:48.19thiago_homelbt: but your proposal looks nice
07:48.44lbtI agree - but I thought the ARM port worked on a beagleboard
07:48.53timelesslbt: spell check
07:48.55lbtwhich is the generic equivalent
07:48.57timelesswhat's "Postition"?
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07:50.16thiago_homelbt: it doesn't run on armv5 hardware though, which in my opinion is the "generic" of ARM
07:50.53TermanaN900Maemo isnt exactly an open project either though
07:51.02Stskeepswhat?
07:51.10Stskeepswe have armv5 in meego :)
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07:52.04thiago_homeanyway, I've said all along I agree with you that there should be a generic-x86 build, clearly labelled for developers
07:52.35TermanaN900Stskeeps, whos the what towards? :P
07:52.45Stskeepsthiago, i guess :)
07:53.07TermanaN900ah ok :P i thought it was to what i said
07:53.40thiago_home"Maemo isn't open" "we have armv5 in meego" <---- that would've been quite a non-sequitur :-)
07:53.56Stskeepsoh, right
07:53.57Stskeepsmaemo5
07:55.02thiago_homelbt: btw, http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.7/src/gui/image/qimage_ssse3.cpp
07:55.14thiago_home4x improvement in performance
07:56.11lbtthiago_home: In what?
07:56.24lbtboot time? :)
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07:57.09thiago_homein converting 24bpp RGB to 32bpp RGB
07:57.16lbtBut the performance claim is not seen as the issue... we accept that optimisation improves performance
07:57.27lbthowever it decreases acceptance and takeup
07:57.51thiago_homewe did a similar thing for ARM and got 700% improvement though :-)
07:57.59lbtheh
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07:59.12thiago_homebut we had to write assembly
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07:59.31thiago_homegcc dumped the intrinsics to memory, so it was pointless
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08:02.07lbtthiago_home: #ifdef QT_HAVE_SSSE3   hmmm .... that looks so "wrong"
08:02.19thiago_home<PROTECTED>
08:02.24lbtQT_HAVE_VECTORSPEEDUP
08:02.41lbt...ssse3...ssse4....amdse4
08:03.25thiago_homethere's one for each
08:03.58thiago_homeMMX, 3dnow!, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, AVX
08:04.08lbtI'm not an experienced enough sw engineer to criticise though
08:04.49lbtand that's in the platform library anyhow...
08:04.57lbtso it doesn't affect user code
08:05.03lcukthiago_home, qt code has lots of specific optimisations which do nice things when available :D
08:05.12thiago_homesee http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.7/src/gui/image/qimage_sse2.cpp
08:06.02thiago_homein this part of the code, there's CPU detection
08:06.13thiago_homeit will build all versions and run the ones your processor can run
08:06.30thiago_homein qstring.cpp, it's not detected. If you build with SSE2, you must run on an SSE2 processor
08:06.49lbtso how's that not generic x86 *with atom optimisation*
08:06.55lbtwhich is what I'd expect to see
08:07.04thiago_homeneeds to commute to the office
08:07.15lbtl8r :)
08:07.24lbtare you there yet?
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08:07.59slainemorning folks
08:09.19kanuunaMorning.
08:09.22kanuunaIs there gnome-open, xdg-open or similar in meego for opening a file? And what might it be? :)
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08:14.05dcthanghello all
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08:14.27dcthanganybody knows where I can get kde package for meego?
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08:28.13thiagolbt: now I am
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08:28.38lbtnot a bad journey then :)
08:28.54thiago20-minute commute
08:30.04fabodcthang: KDE isn't packaged for MeeGo (yet)
08:30.17thiagonor does it make sense to be packaged
08:30.45dcthangoh I just wonder if i want to use koffice there in meego
08:30.48fabothiago: he's isn't the first one and why not on netbook?
08:31.03thiagoplasma-netbook?
08:31.29faboyeah
08:31.31thiagothat might make sense. But MeeGo doesn't have to ship with every single KDE app, just as it won't ship with every app at all.
08:31.40thiagohas tried plasma-netbook on MeeGo
08:32.10fabosure, we'll use the profiles as discussed on kde ml not the full kde stuff
08:32.25dcthangyes, may be kde lib is ported to meego?
08:32.48dcthangseems there are some useful apps people like to use
08:32.49fabodcthang: look at kde mobile
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08:33.03thiagoyes, they are being ported to mobile profiles
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08:34.11dcthangfabo: good news..since I would like to port some apps to meego as koffice for example
08:34.23thiagothat is already being done
08:34.34fabodcthang: afaik, there's freeoffice
08:35.57faboI don't remember the exact name...
08:36.14dcthangyes
08:36.17dcthangit is freoffice
08:36.38faboright
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08:38.25dcthangfabo:the problem here is freoffice depends on kofficemeego and seems kofficemeego depends on kde libs?
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08:40.50dcthanganyway,  fabo and thiago: thanks for your comment :)
08:42.19fabodcthang: you're welcome. there's also #kde-mobile if you want to participate on the effort ;)
08:42.57dcthangfabo: sure, thanks :)
08:43.08fabonot very active but feel free to ask your questions related to kde there
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09:12.05ChildOfGodCan I have gtk widget within a clutter scene?
09:14.00bpeelChildOfGod: you might be better off asking that on #clutter on irc.gnome.org
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09:14.27bpeeli think it's possible with the latest clutter and clutter-gtk
09:15.08ChildOfGodclutter-gtk allows you to embed clutter in gtk
09:15.45bpeelChildOfGod: it also allows you to do the opposite using the Gtk offscreen stuff
09:16.00ChildOfGodok. Where can i look at an example?
09:16.28bpeelChildOfGod: i'm not sure. you can probably get a lot more information if you ask ebassi on #clutter
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09:17.06ChildOfGodwell actually there is no one on #clutter
09:17.09ChildOfGodbpeel:
09:17.26lcukthats because they had a tidy up
09:17.30bpeelChildOfGod: it's on gimpnet on the irc.gnome.org server
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10:14.24thopiekarvgrade: ping
10:14.43thopiekaris it possible to install mic2 on fedora13?
10:15.01thopiekarthere are just instructions for fc11 and 12
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10:37.45tekojothopiekar: yes, just follow the f12 guide
10:38.40thopiekartekojo: k, thanks
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11:04.50abhijeetfor last oneday i m experimenting with the meego handset emulator using xephyr
11:05.17abhijeetone thing i found that it is no way even close to the android beta emulator...
11:05.40abhijeeti m getting black screen if i m running any application from Qt designer to emulator
11:05.49abhijeet:(
11:06.51abhijeetthat to be i m running the meego on intel graphics as mentioned at the site
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11:18.51abhijeethad anyone tried to run ur applications on the meego emulator
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11:41.56CosmoHillpokes vgrade
11:45.53CosmoHilljust an FYI; when you have a link to the channel logs, you can link to a specific line by clicking on the time stamp next to that line
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12:09.01mardynaba: all "[FEA] Accounts/SSO backend" bugs are currently assigned to you. I'll take them, ok?
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12:11.28TrollkarlenWhat the status of the MeeGo conferance ?
12:11.45StskeepsTrollkarlen: conference2010.meego.com
12:12.54TrollkarlenOki maybe link from the wiki and change the wiki page for the same event ?
12:12.58Trollkarlenhttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010
12:13.16TrollkarlenRegistration opening soon!!! :)
12:13.27lbtmardy: hello...
12:13.41lbtSSO?
12:14.51mardylbt: hi
12:15.32lbtare you working on sso then?
12:15.51mardylbt: yes -- on the platform, not on the website
12:16.00lbtrats :)
12:16.10lbtwants LDAP for the OBS
12:16.19mardy:-)
12:16.41TermanaN900Is the conference being recorded for those of us unfortunately unable to go?
12:16.51StskeepsTermanaN900: hopefully it's not morons doing it like last year
12:17.54TermanaN900Stskeeps, heh. Some people need to be using their n900s just in case! :P
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12:22.04vgrade_CosmoHill, nice tip on the IRC log
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12:22.09CosmoHill:)
12:23.37lcukvgrade_, not that I mind this time, but if you are going to add supporters to a wiki page and ask people to add themselves you could either mention beforehand or ask specifically for us to add our own names to it
12:24.25lcukand yes, CosmoHill makes an excellent point about timestamp clicking, I almost replied to your mail last night - having people from email wading through a random irc log is troubling at best of times
12:24.52CosmoHillI just opened "find" and endter "21:17"
12:24.58CosmoHillentered*
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12:44.34CosmoHillis it just me or is Make 3.82 cause problems?
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12:47.13J_Phi all
12:47.27J_PWhat is the filesystem used in meego?
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12:47.52CosmoHillbftfs
12:47.58CosmoHillor whatever it's called
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12:48.45Termanabtrfs?
12:49.10CosmoHillyes :)
12:49.21J_PCosmoHill: why not jffs2?
12:49.30inzBecause btr is btr
12:49.54CosmoHillI wouldn't know, I'm sure it has been researched tho
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12:52.14chem|sthey...
12:52.24pavlixJ_P: probably because jffs2 is specialized filesystem not intented to be used on block devices?
12:53.09chem|stbefore I try! if I extract the 1.1_RC6 to mmcblk1p2 does that go for good?
12:53.12pavlixJ_P: and probably because meego designers favored block devices for some reason
12:53.44chem|stas the wiki guides to the bare mmcblk1
12:54.34J_Ppavlix: but meego will be used in smartphones, that will have a flash devices..
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12:56.18vgrade_sorry, lbt, I think the others did opt into doing something in the discussion last night and I had assumed you would be ok with me adding you after your blog. Won't happen again sorry
12:56.57lbtyou're mixing me with lcuk I think :)
12:58.07vgrade_vgrade, put on is glasses
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12:58.33lcukvgrade_, sure, I am ever interested in moving things forward
12:58.35lbtI'm fine with it... but I am not sure why meego community 2" is doing an x86 release when the meego community
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12:58.45lbt1 isn't
12:59.23lbtI assume that "meego community 1" is people with a core OBS account and "meego commity 2nd class" are the others
12:59.39lbt(I'd say rest of us but I have an account so I'm superior)
13:00.06vgrade_or Meego community with meamo OBS access
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13:00.42lcuklbt, do you have a monocle?
13:00.53lbtI should get one...
13:01.09lbtand polish up my accent for a presentation at the summit
13:01.15lbt^H^H^H^H conference
13:02.08TSCHAKeeemonocles ftmfw :)
13:02.27TSCHAKeeemorning btw
13:02.36CosmoHillhey TSCHAKeee
13:02.39TSCHAKeeehey
13:04.33ShadowJKJ_P, even on raw flash devices, ubifs is far more sensible
13:04.38ShadowJKjffs2 takes a bit long to boot :)
13:04.52sivustskeeps, awake?
13:04.58Stskeepssivu: sortof, sup?
13:05.06CosmoHillfat16 ftw
13:05.10CosmoHillflees
13:05.34sivustskeeps, could i have an account to api.meego.com and build.meego.com. i am having a hard time setting up our local obs without them
13:06.11Stskeepssivu: sorry, i am not part of meego IT. what exactly are you missing
13:06.13Stskeeps?
13:06.45sivui have our local packages in our local obs but i would need to set up package dependencies from meego obs
13:06.59sivuif i understood the configuration correctly
13:07.01Stskeepslbt: got any documentation on how to import packages?
13:07.13J_PShadowJK: yes.. ibufs, unlike jffs2 is capable to enable and disable compression..  but about btrfs, why btrfs was the choice compared with jffs2/ubifs or others for example?
13:07.34lbtreads
13:08.05lbtsivu: indeed...
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13:08.22lbthttp://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/MeeGo_Setup
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13:08.52lbtI suggest using a mirror to grab MeeGo though
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13:09.59lbtso... that's what they said about lcuk
13:10.26CosmoHillwhat meego is who after?
13:10.48lcukmissing context
13:10.55CosmoHillhttp://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img :)
13:10.58fralshmm what did they say about the trout^H^H^H^H^H lcuk?
13:11.18lcukfrals, someone trouted me in #debian this morning!
13:11.21lbtnothing lcuk... nothing at all
13:11.41lcuk* jpinx-eeepc slaps lcuk around with a fresh trout
13:12.21lcukuses monocle and eyes lbt suspiciously
13:12.45lbtcarry on laddie...
13:13.22sivulbt, api.obs.maemo.org returns 404 for every project name i've tried
13:13.42lbthttps?
13:13.54sivuyes
13:15.04lbtsivu: what exactly do you mean?
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13:21.24GordonSso I am trying to build libmeegotouch... I am getting the error      mlabelview_simple.cpp:293: error: ‘class QStaticText’ has no member named ‘setTextOption’
13:21.48GordonSI can't find any reference to QStaticText ever having had such an option...
13:22.22sivulbt, i can mirror the packages and create project but how can i get the project config
13:22.32sivuand packages defined in the project
13:22.42sivuso i can link to them in our own obs project
13:23.23sivuyour link only states the obvious "Since this project is a target it needs a prjconf"
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13:25.26w00t_GordonS: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7-snapshot/qstatictext.html#setTextOption seems to think it exists
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13:29.20lbtsivu: I meant what is the api.obs.maemo.org problem?
13:30.24sivuosc -A api.obs.maemo.org meta prj Meego:1.0:Core -> 404
13:31.13fralslcuk: :D
13:33.00CosmoHillgoes to cut the grass, now that there's some to cut
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13:34.38lbtsivu: spelling...
13:34.48lbtMeeGo has a biG g
13:36.02lbtand you want the prjconf
13:37.30sivuok got it
13:40.16sivuand how to recreate the packages in the project?
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13:42.12fabolbt: I have an expansion error: have choice for pkgconfig(QtContacts): libqtcontacts-devel qt-mobility-devel
13:42.34lbtyou need to Prefer: one
13:42.39fabolbt: I don't understand why as libqtcontacts-devel doesn't exist
13:42.46lbtah
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13:43.08lbtyou know what's going on with a "have choice" ?
13:43.29fabono, no clue
13:44.07lbtconceptually the distro image should have only one of those choices in it
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13:44.40lbtthe prjconf controls the building of the developement chroot and should be heavily influenced by the target image
13:45.07lbtso a Prefer: is a bit like a decision in a .ks file
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13:45.27lbtso that's the first point... OK?
13:45.32fabook
13:45.38lbtpoint 2... erm....
13:45.40lbt:)
13:45.56lbtwhich OBS
13:46.16faboMeeGo one
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13:46.40lbtprj/pkg ?
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13:47.33faboTrunk:Testing garage-client-services
13:48.18fabouse contactsd
13:48.47fabog-c-s has another issue atm in Trunk:Testing
13:48.56lbti saw
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13:49.30fabofixed in my home dir then I have similar expansion error as contactsd
13:51.00TrollkarlenWhere can i find a kickstart file for the handset ?
13:52.52lbtfabo : http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=libqtcontacts&project=Trunk%3ATesting
13:53.49faboTrollkarlen: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.80.14.20100810.1/handset/images/
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13:54.43fabolbt: good catch
13:55.00TrollkarlenThx, whats the difference between the diffrent versions ?
13:55.04lbtnp
13:55.17Trollkarlenaava, netbook and shcdk ?
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13:57.13TrollkarlenIs there no arm images working yet ?
13:58.13timophTrollkarlen: there is
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13:58.48timophbut not really ready for to be used
14:00.06faboAard: could I ask removal of libqtcontacts project?
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14:00.49Aardfabo: did you push qt-mobility? if yes, it can be removed
14:00.54faboAard: I guess Qt Mobility supersed this project
14:01.27faboAard: yes, and we have expansion error caused by libqtcontacts
14:01.37Aardyes, then have it removed
14:01.43fabook, thanks
14:01.50Aardthe point of my updates to qt-mobility was being able to remove libqtcontacts
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14:12.05Trollkarlentimoph: Where can i find the best one untill now then ;-)
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14:15.13timophTrollkarlen: trying to find you a link to the instructions but I'm an a train and the networking sucks
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14:17.45timophTrollkarlen: you can find the instructions from MeeGo forum and wiki
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15:08.21ali1234vgrade: i'm interested in meego for vanilla x86 too. i keep hearing about how OBS makes it so easy but nobody can ever show any documentation how i should do it
15:08.59ali1234i'm not bothered about making intel do it for me, i would be happy to compile the whole damn thing myself using my own resources if somebody would just tell me a way that actually works
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16:58.41_BuBUHi
16:58.53_BuBUany connman expert? :)
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17:44.37lcuklast night during the discussion, one of the things about performance was mentioned
17:44.44lcuk<lcuk> and working out how to operate in alternative resolutions *WILL* be needed when you get other devices onboard
17:44.44lcuk* bpeel is now known as bpeel_away
17:44.44lcuk<Stskeeps> lcuk: libmeegotouch already runs in alternative resolutions
17:44.44lcuk<Stskeeps> check devices.conf sometime
17:44.51lcukI just did some testing in liqbase
17:45.11lcukand running liqbase at 800*480 gets a framerate doing a certain task at 45fps
17:45.22lcukrunning same task at 640*480 gives me 55fps
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17:45.28lcukI do not have capbility to test this
17:45.30UlfHofemeierHi
17:45.41lcukcan someone PLEASE try on n900 changing the parameter stskeeps mentioned
17:45.47lcukand tell me if it does change resolution
17:45.54lcukand if its a valid strong improvements?
17:46.03Stskeepslcuk: that isn't what sets screen resolutions, just what resolutions it's expected to work with :P
17:46.46lcukso then setting that parameter is first step
17:47.00lcukwhat else? - even accepting a black line down the side
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17:47.20lcukis it entirely down to the graphics driver?
17:47.37lcukthe yuv overlay mode can be coerced into stretch to fit (it just did it for me now)
17:47.45lcukI have never managed or tried with rgb
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18:10.44lcukI just mailed meego-dev
18:11.17lcuk[MeeGo-dev] Making meego fast - quick tests and lots of input needed       http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-August/004797.html
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18:31.08tyan_Trying to figure out how cellular will work in Meego, Will the isimodem driver in ophono work better than Maemo5 or is is just a wrapper to the closed firmwarekernel driver on N900? For example Maemop5 lacks SIM toolkit will this be possible to implement via libophomo on Meego on N900?
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18:31.43Stskeepstyan_: ofono :)
18:31.57tyan_woops yes :-)
18:32.33Stskeepstyan_: kernel driver is fully open, but the software running inside the modem is closed source, but on linux side, everything should be open
18:32.37Stskeepsi believe sim toolkit is one of the requirements
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18:37.25tyan_So we can only hope nokia improves the isi kerneldriver that talks to the isimodem then? Or hope they will use same isimodem in nextgen meego phones so we can backport kerneldriver to N900?
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18:37.52Stskeepsisi is the protocol spoken to them odem
18:37.54Stskeepsmodem
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18:38.53vgradeali1234, there is a lot of documentation on the meego an maemo sites regarding setting up local OBS, http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service, http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS_setup_openSUSE112
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18:39.42tyan_Stskeeps:  so the isimodem spec exist in open?
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18:39.58Stskeepsnot sure, think so?
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18:46.20VDVsxagrr, can't read the full proposal in meego conference website :(
18:46.58VDVsxblames Stskeeps :D
18:47.26Stskeeps:P
18:49.30VDVsxStskeeps, there's some bug there, I was able to read the proposals a couple of days ago :D
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18:50.14VDVsxjust registered for the conference :)
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18:52.48ali1234vgrade: and after i have set up a local OBS, then what?
18:53.05luisthello.. in running garage with my own repository and my list of applications... i have around 55 apps and after installing around 12 of them, all the images in the application unload, and all the Install buttons goes disabled... this is the strace -e open nbg output, check i the end the "Too many open files"  can anyone help me to fix this?
18:54.29luisthttp://pastebin.com/1h0ZAxyH
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19:00.26Phazorxluist: ulimit issue possibly?
19:01.22luistPhazorx: any change its a bug in the application? why does it keep opening the same cache images all the time? (before the error)
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19:01.43luistPhazorx: how can i set ulimit config file to increase the limit?
19:02.29Mostafahi Meegos :)
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19:03.10MostafaI want to test meego-menus translation for ex
19:04.39Phazorxluist: well i wasnt paying attention to that since i have no clue what the app does and how... but too many open files kind of makes me think of ulimit
19:04.49Mostafais this meego-menus.mo correct name for it?
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19:04.57Mostafato use i
19:05.10Mostafait in locale directory ?
19:05.25luistPhazorx: ok... how do i increase ulimit -n in a config file?
19:05.38Phazorxluist: you can probably set higher ulimit, but this is generaly advised for servers not a client kind of scenario... in your case it is probabyl wiser to figure out WHY it is happening rather tha deal with ulimit, so i take my initial cmment back
19:06.04Phazorxluist: same way you increase it anywhere else... make a shell script run it at some point when you think it is wise
19:06.50lcukJaffa, non ssse3 is one thing, but how do we get non powervr?
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19:06.56Skyscraperhi
19:07.10lcukor happily running powervr on netbook image on netbooks that dont support it currently rather
19:07.20lcuklike the nokia netbook
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19:08.37Skyscraperis it possible to run the latest version of meego on n900? or do i have to stay at my first-day-ux? ^^
19:08.55lcukSkyscraper, sure its possible, theres a prebuilt image now!
19:09.13lcukand you burn it onto an MMC and boot via changing the kernel
19:09.19lcukreboot and back to working n900
19:09.50lcukyou can replace the kernel totally too if you like for all boots
19:10.00Skyscraperlcuk the last version i build myself doesnt want to work ;)
19:10.03lcukand even if you are brave, try to work out how to get full dualboot working
19:10.11lcukSkyscraper, thats a shame :(
19:10.17lcuktry harder! :p
19:10.32Skyscraperthat was some weeks ago
19:10.54lcukit may work now then, you have all the obs stuff sorted I gather?
19:11.06lcukhow long does a full rebuild take?
19:11.46Skyscraperhm... dont know... i think it has to download all 3xx packages... - so... 30-60 minutes last times^^
19:12.04lcukthats not too bad - including downloads?
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19:12.23Skyscraperyes
19:12.36lcuknice!
19:13.04lcukhow long would it take self building directly on n900? *evilgrin*
19:13.14Skyscraperoh there are new files on nokia-page? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php
19:13.20lcukyes
19:13.36Skyscrapertheres an build from 3.8.2010?
19:14.40Skyscraperhm... but is there an wifi driver? or would it say again "wifi not supported on this device" :D
19:14.58lcukSkyscraper, thats for you to work out!
19:15.11lcukand yes, theres an August 3rd build
19:15.21lcukmutters something about date formats ;)
19:15.34Skyscraperhm... when its on the nokia-page it should work on n900 ;)
19:15.46Skyscrapergerman date format :p
19:16.03lcukSkyscraper, hey, progress
19:16.04Skyscraperhum.. theres no "dd" command in windows xD
19:17.55Skyscraperlol i can download image and kernel and flasher in/for windows.. but i cannot "dd" the sda image to sd-card in windows^^
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19:23.33notmarthi all
19:23.52notmartsomebody knows where i can signal problems on the meego conference registration website?
19:24.37lbtnotmart: here is good
19:24.45lbtwhat's up?
19:25.15notmartlbt: i submitted a session proposal but it seems it did hate all the text, leaving just the title (with some nice php warnings)
19:26.12notmartit doesn't seem possible to view details of submitted proposals as well (while untile earlier today was)
19:26.15lbtdo you have the text saved?
19:26.27notmartof the php errors?
19:26.32lbtno... yours
19:26.33notmartuh, unfortunately not :/
19:26.39notmartmy text yes
19:26.50lbtthat's the important thing :)
19:27.05lbtkeep an eye out for Dawnfoster
19:27.23notmartlbt: on this channel?
19:27.26lbtyes
19:27.31notmartokie :)
19:27.35lcukdawnfoster is travelling afaik, according to twitter, she may pop on from airport..
19:27.46lbtah, in that case, X-Fade may be able to point at others...
19:27.56lbtgoes to feed cat
19:27.57lcukerrr rather, "get a little work done" in her words
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19:28.43notmartX-Fade: ^^ any ideas?
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19:32.22Skyscraperhm... downing image from nokia page... about 1 hour left
19:32.31vgradelcuk, MeeGo Nokia Booklet video here, http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade
19:33.41lcukmmm vgrade so what was I hearing that it doesnt work?
19:33.49lcukthats excellent btw!
19:34.05lcuklol Skyscraper so it was just as fast to down packages and build
19:35.18Skyscraperyes... XD - downing that pre-builded image from nokia is very slow... but maybe... my bro is downing something from msdnaa when its not finished already
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19:36.00lcukSkyscraper, awesome
19:36.01vgradelcuk, more and more targets comming up BuBu and I got MeeGo up on Archos A9 a couple of days ago
19:36.10lcukBuBu?
19:36.22lbtdoesn't know why he's mildy surprised that dd'ing a VM image over netcat to another machine "just worked"
19:36.44Skyscraperis it possible to run meego on EVERY atom-based netbook?
19:36.44lcuklbt, did your monacle fall out?
19:36.57lbtmy 'tache stood up!
19:37.02lcuko_O
19:37.13lcukby jove, thats impressive
19:37.15vgradehttp://www.openaos.org/
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19:38.00lcukvgrade, i dont want to read a site to find out what bubu is
19:38.21lcukbut I see its a person
19:38.37lcukthats not you?
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19:41.27GAN900Skyscraper, not officially, not.
19:41.36Skyscraperhm...
19:41.41Skyscraperi have 2 atom netbooks
19:41.54Stskeepszimmerle: ping
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19:43.09Skyscraperone with atom N270 and one with atom 330
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19:44.23Stskeepszimmerle: you had working prelink on maemo?
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19:50.55GAN900Netbook with a 330?
19:51.27Skyscraperyes
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19:53.51SkyscraperGAN900 its the ASUS EeePC 1201N Seashell - Atom330 Dualcore with NVIDIA ION chipset
19:54.30lbtStskeeps: did you see notmart's issue... just in case the others don't notice
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19:54.59Stskeepslbt: sorry, i don't have anything to do with the website. best way is to poke Amy, Mike Shaver and Dawn
19:55.59ShadowJKion is problematic
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19:57.08notmartStskeeps: an email i can write to?
19:57.28Stskeepsnotmart: actually, there's a bug tracker
19:57.29Stskeepshang on
19:57.44notmartah, nice
19:57.46Stskeepshttp://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=conference2010.meego.com
19:58.28notmartStskeeps: okie thx i will report it there
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20:07.53notmartdone http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5219
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20:30.24CosmoHilldances around
20:30.44CosmoHill200m away there is a Ford Focus WRC car :D
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20:48.17Skyscraperhm... dd under windows seems impossible
20:48.44lbtcygwin
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20:49.11lbt"makes life bearable"
20:49.21Skyscrapertrying http://www.chrysocome.net/dd at the moment... seems to do anything... but dont know what :D
20:49.50lbtugh
20:50.41Skyscraperi'm searching for an windows 7 ext3 driver right now
20:50.42lbtoh, I thought it was using DOS \args.... I apologise to chrysocome
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20:51.04lbtSkyscraper: wubi
20:51.05Skyscraperhm... output of windows-dd from that site:  Error writing file: 87 Falscher Parameter 415040+0 records in 415039+0 records out
20:51.36ali1234colinux + samba?
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20:53.14Skyscrapermaybe theres a windows gui app like dd for linux
20:53.14Skyscraper?
20:53.30ali1234what are you actually trying to do?
20:53.30lbtcygwin is a gui
20:53.40lbtit presents a shell in a window
20:54.01Skyscraperi know cygwin... thats not a real GUI... its a CLI :p
20:54.13lbtyou can resize it using a mouse == gui
20:54.37lbtoh... and a minor point .... it works
20:54.38Skyscraperrofl
20:54.53Skyscrapercygwin is really big... dont want to install it now
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20:55.08ali1234lbt: i'm going to try yet again to set up OBS in a VM... would you recommend i use 11.3? 32 bit or 64 bit?
20:55.40lbtI'd suggest you read this: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/Installation
20:55.48lbtand this: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Deployment
20:55.56ali1234so you recommend i use 11.2?
20:56.05lbt11.3 is probably a safe choice now
20:56.28ali1234and there should be no issues running 64 bit?
20:56.29lbtISTR some minor issues but I think that was a different application
20:56.38lbt64 bit is fine
20:56.46ali1234thanks, that's all i wanted to know :)
20:56.59Skyscraperwhats wrong when i use the windows-dd? i typed dd if=C:\pathtoimage.raw of=\\.\Volume{id} bs=4096 ... do i have to write 4096k ?
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20:58.22ali1234Skyscraper: bs=4096 will be in bytes so yeah... if it supports "k" prefix... otherwise multiply by 1024. but bs should not actually affect anything other than the time it takes to copy
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20:59.04Skyscraperali1234: but why windows-dd crashes with: Error writing file: 87 Falscher Parameter 415040+0 records in 415039+0 records out
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20:59.28lbtspaces?
20:59.43ali1234i'm not sure what "87 Falscher" means
21:00.25ali1234but 415040+0 records in 415039+0 records out means all but the last 4096 bytes got copied
21:00.26ali1234maybe the partition isn't quite as big as you think it is?
21:01.06Skyscraperthats german and means "87 bad parameter"
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21:02.47SkyscraperD:\Meego>dd if=meego-handset-armv5tel-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.80.13.20100803. 2-mmcblk0p.raw of=\\.\Volume{8dae6faf-400d-11df-8f43-e0cb4e65de40} bs=4096
21:02.52Skyscraperthats my command
21:03.01ali1234maybe it means "Error writing file: 87\nFalscher Parameter"
21:03.31ali1234ie 87 isn't the bad parameter but the error returned by fwrite or w/e
21:03.54ali1234in errno.h 87 is EUSER which isn't very helpful
21:04.39ali1234and might not even be relevant on windows
21:05.47Skyscraperhm
21:06.00Skyscrapertrying:
21:06.03SkyscraperD:\Meego>dd if=meego-handset-armv5tel-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.80.13.20100803. 2-mmcblk0p.raw of=\\?\Device\Harddisk1\Partition0  bs=4096
21:06.04ali1234is the bolume a sd card or something?
21:06.06ali1234*volume
21:06.22Skyscraperyes its an SD-Card in the internal slot from my netbook
21:07.34tybolltwin32 disk imager users? here's complaining "Not enough space on disk" whereas the "disk" is a 4GB card and the laptop has plenty of space...
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21:09.12lbtam I wrong to want MeeGo on more x86 devices?
21:09.38ali1234no absolutely not
21:09.57tybolltdoes it run on gma500 yet?
21:10.11ali1234i want to see it on more ARM chips too
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21:15.48lbtthere's a little debate on the -dev ml
21:16.15w00t_lbt: there is?
21:16.21w00t_that's bad, it means my email isn't working
21:16.48w00t_ah, of course, I forgot to install offlineimap..
21:16.51w00t_that wouldn't help
21:17.02lbthttp://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-August/004762.html
21:17.10w00t_sighs
21:17.15w00t_this means I'm going to get bombarded with email
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21:17.58CosmoHillcybergirl: salut
21:18.02ali1234lbt: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/Installation - why does it talk about disk partitioning? is that really necessary or just that you are documenting the whole process of setting up the community OBS there?
21:18.08CosmoHillcybergirl: were you in #lfs-support recently?
21:18.31lbtali1234: documenting my process
21:19.13lbtyou probably want LVM if you're doing a proper install
21:21.01ali1234of course. but i just want to learn about OBS for now
21:22.02Skyscraperhum... now trying dd from UnxUtils at sourceforge
21:22.20ali1234actually i was going to follow this but using 11.3: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS_setup_openSUSE112
21:22.27vgrade1CosmoHill, should have tried do you come here often :)
21:22.39w00t_lbt: I'm not sure whether to thank you or curse you for alerting me to that mail problem...
21:22.42w00t_:P
21:22.47CosmoHillbut she's a she :o
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22:28.31Skyscraperhm... n900 itself wouldnt copy ? seems so
22:29.17Skyscraperover 40 minutes?
22:30.21ali1234with bs=4096 it will take ages
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22:30.34Skyscraperwhat bs should i set?
22:30.47CosmoHillali1234: it will be faster than bs=1024
22:31.39Skyscraperwhen i want to use dd in cygwin, whats the output device?
22:31.52Skyscraperin linux i would use /dev/sdb - but in cygwin?
22:33.04Phazorxdd --list
22:33.23Phazorxshould give you roaster of capable devices
22:33.38Skyscraperdd --list in cygwin says "unknown option"
22:33.55Phazorxi must use some other binport then
22:34.05ali1234doesn't work on ubuntu either
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22:34.24jmc93739653Skyscraper: should be "/cygdrive/<driveletter in windows, but lowercase>/"
22:34.29Skyscraperi've tried UnxUtils and another dd for windows-port
22:34.59ali1234no. just... no... that's where the drive is mounted at, not the block device
22:36.12ali1234http://www.chrysocome.net/dd says you can use --list
22:36.29jmc93739653ali1234: I _do_ usually use a VM running a Linux distro rather than Cygwin if I have to use Windows as a host OS.
22:36.55Phazorxjmc wouldnt that be easier with msys/mingw?
22:37.12ali1234jmc so you should know the difference between mount point and block device then :)
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22:41.19jmc93739653ali1234 & Phazorx: I understand Linux better than I understand Cygwin.
22:42.29Skyscrapercygwin dd of=\\?\Device\Harddisk1\DR4 seems to do something xD
22:43.18PhazorxSkyscraper: i would think it is not safe w/o seeing --list output
22:44.11SkyscraperPhazorx: i used a windows-port of dd to show --list and used that output to recognize that harddisk1\dr4  is the right
22:44.35Skyscraperyeah it says 2,1 gb copied in 109 sec with 18,7 MB/s
22:46.28Skyscraperyeah when i mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 in my n900 i can see a whole filesys
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22:48.48CosmoHillSkyscraper: do you have a spare memory stick / usb pen?
22:49.08Skyscraper?
22:49.12Skyscraperwhy
22:49.25CosmoHillyou could get damn small linux and use dd on that
22:49.32CosmoHillit's a 50MB download
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22:49.56SkyscraperROFL
22:50.14Skyscrapervery nice... downloaded the pre-builded image from nokia.... and the result: doesnt work
22:53.31Skyscrapervery bad -.-
22:54.52CosmoHillhas anything blown up?
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22:57.22Skyscrapernope... n900 displayed some booting linux (without backlight^^) and then restated and booted back into maemo
22:58.31CosmoHilltry pressing the power button and increse brightness button
22:58.34zimmerleStskeeps: pong
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22:59.09CosmoHillzimmerle: that's not a very nice thing to say about someone
23:00.27ScottishDuckmy brother died because of pong
23:00.32ScottishDuckI am deeply hurt
23:00.42Skyscraperhm when i mount the mmcblk1p1 and type ls in /media/mmc1 then it says ./lib: Input/Output error and ./dev too
23:00.48CosmoHillping was found innocent
23:00.54Skyscrapermaybe bad image or bad dd copy?
23:01.04CosmoHillSkyscraper: did you check the ms5?
23:01.07CosmoHillmd5*
23:01.12Skyscrapernope :D
23:02.27zimmerleCosmoHill: sorry ? :P
23:02.32SkyscraperLOOOOL
23:02.42Skyscraperthe DD command wasnt ok
23:02.44zimmerle:)
23:02.48CosmoHillzimmerle: body odour joke
23:02.56Skyscraperit writed a scary file onto my windows D:\ drive oO
23:03.12Skyscraperwondered why my D:\ is full
23:03.25SkyscraperDeviceHarddisk1DR4 <- document xD
23:04.19Skyscraperis it possible to write that .raw with a windows tool like rawrite oder stl?
23:04.38ali1234yes rawrite should work ok
23:04.43ali1234if oyu use it properly :)
23:05.39ali1234maybe it won't let you select the SD card...
23:06.42Skyscraperwhy not try ;)
23:07.08CosmoHillon linux, you can't copy an image to a drive if the drive is mounted
23:07.23CosmoHilli don't know if that's true for windows
23:07.27ali1234you can actually. it's not a good idea though
23:08.14ali1234since you found that file on d: you just got the output filename wrong
23:12.00Skyscraperhm trying again a windows dd app
23:12.10Skyscraperseems to work now... having other parameters
23:12.45Skyscraperdd if=d:\meego\meego-handset-armv5tel-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.80.13.20100803.2-mmcblk0p.raw of=\\?\Device\Harddisk1\DR10  bs=1M --size --progress
23:13.07Skyscraperwith http://www.chrysocome.net/dd
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23:15.20Skyscraperagain... crashes on:
23:15.20Skyscraper1,956M Error reading file: 87 Falscher Parameter  1956+1 records in 1956+1 records out
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23:16.28ali1234how big in the raw exactly?
23:16.31ali1234*is
23:16.56Skyscraper(2.051.014.657 Bytes)
23:17.20Skyscraperfile on system (2.051.018.752 Bytes)
23:17.38ali12341M means 1024*1024 bytes
23:19.39Skyscraperverified the md5 sum of downloaded tar.bz2 - matched! - but... unzipped it with winrar...dont know if thats ok
23:19.45ali12341024*1024*1956 = 2.051.014.656
23:19.46Guest87556hey guys, im new to all this linux stuff, installed ubuntu, followed the instructions, run qemu, get a load of white lines in a window and it exits - any ideas?
23:20.11aukewhat are you running in qemu?
23:20.18ali1234Skyscraper: the transfer is going fine until right near the end, same as before
23:20.28Guest87556meego sdk, raw file
23:20.41Skyscraperall over the web they say i should use bs=4096 - but thats not ok too?
23:21.09ali1234Skyscraper: neither a corrupt file nor wrong blocksize should cause dd to fail like you are seeing
23:22.19ali1234are you sure it's really a 4GB card? there are fakes...
23:22.59Guest87556is there a particular flavour of linux you guys would reccomend as easy to work with qemu and meego on a standard pc with nvidia card?
23:23.10Skyscraperi'm sure its really a 8gb card^^
23:23.41CosmoHillGuest87556: i think Fedora is the flavour of the month
23:23.58Guest87556thanks ill give that a go :D
23:24.49ali1234Skyscraper: does it have multiple partitions on it already?
23:25.05Skyscraperali1234: yes
23:25.27ali1234what size partitions? is one 2GB?
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23:26.05Skyscraper\\?\Device\Harddisk1\Partition0   link to \\?\Device\Harddisk1\DR10   Removable media other than floppy. Block size = 512   size is 7969177600 bytes \\?\Device\Harddisk1\Partition1   link to \\?\Device\HarddiskVolume15   Removable media other than floppy. Block size = 512   size is 1699999744 bytes
23:27.59ali1234well that doesn't really help much
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23:29.46Skyscraperali1234: windows says 1 is 1,58gb and one is 243mb and 5,60gb are free
23:30.10ali1234i think you are writing the image to the partition instead of the device
23:30.19ali1234and the partition isn't big enough
23:30.28ali1234i don't know enough about windows volumes to say for sure
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23:38.23Skyscraper2,002,944k Error reading file: 87 Falscher Parameter  489+1 records in 489+1 records out
23:39.27CosmoHillwonders if it would be faster to post it to him
23:39.40ali1234you used bs=4M right?
23:40.24Skyscraperbs=4096k
23:40.34CosmoHillSkyscraper: try without it
23:40.36ali1234same thing
23:40.47ali1234it always fails right near the end
23:40.55CosmoHilldd if=meego.img of=/dev/sdc
23:44.16SkyscraperCosmoHill: trying at the moment ;)
23:50.56SkyscraperCosmoHill: i think that takes hours?
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23:51.15CosmoHillit's under an hour
23:51.17CosmoHillbut a long time
23:51.21CosmoHill20 ~ 30 mins I think
23:51.49Skyscraperthe process is in bytes?
23:52.23CosmoHillyes but I have no idea how many
23:52.57Skyscraperforget it... 150 mb in 5 minutes... of 2gb.. i'll close all now (-.-) and reboot into ubuntu
23:53.14CosmoHillnight night
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