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02:18.18sunshavithis is ouf of topic: any experience with fbterm?
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19:41.44Maxdamantussunshavi: hmm .. looks about the same to me.
19:42.21MaxdamantusI tried running fbterm last night, and it didn't seem to be doing antialiasing.
19:43.39sunshaviI am comparing both.
19:43.58sunshaviMaxdamantus: with the modifications it looks a little bit clear
19:44.38sunshavinot as great as the virtual terminal aka fbcon
19:45.14MaxdamantusMaybe, though still neither is properly hinted, so they're both fuzzy, at least to me.
19:46.36sunshaviMmmm. How hinting could be gotten?
19:48.38MaxdamantusTheoretically, by using that "hintstyle" setting that you've now got in .fonts.conf, and using FREETYPE_PROPERTIES=truetype:interpreter-version=35
19:51.06Maxdamantus(in freetype 2.7 or so, they changed the way hinting instructions are used by default, so you have to set that environment variable to get the previous behaviour)
19:53.10sunshavihttps://termbin.com/ttwx
19:53.17sunshavithat is my freetype2 version
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19:54.06MaxdamantusRight, so you'll need that environment variable set to do proper full-pixel hinting.
19:54.41sunshaviI have done : export FREETYPE_PROPERTIES=truetype:interpreter-version=35
19:54.51sunshaviand then : fbterm -v
20:23.52MaxdamantusOkay, got it working nicely for me, but had to modify the fbterm source code.
20:25.02MaxdamantusAlso had to explicitly enable antialiasing in fontconfig, since fbterm has it off by default, but you've already got that part enabled (maybe your system fontconfig sets it)
20:25.27Maxdamantusfor the hinting part, I needed to `FT_LOAD_TARGET_LIGHT` in the source code to `FT_LOAD_TARGET_NORMAL`
20:25.38Maxdamantusneeded to change*
20:26.10Maxdamantushttps://maxdamantus.eu.org/fb2.png
20:27.55MaxdamantusDeleted that previous image: https://maxdamantus.eu.org/fb3.png
20:30.14sunshaviok. Let me try it
20:35.15visionvirushow to install the sdk to a new debian?
20:38.18DocScrutinizer05~sb
20:38.19infobotwell, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
20:39.28DocScrutinizer05~sdk
20:39.28infobotsdk is probably http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt", or https://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide
20:43.43DocScrutinizer05hmmm
20:43.48DocScrutinizer05http://repository.maemo.org/
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20:49.04sunshaviMaxdamantus: on line 253 of font.cpp I have FT_LOAD_TARGET_NORMAL. should I change it to FT_LOAD_TARGET_LIGHT?
20:51.58visionvirus#deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/ maemo5-sdk main
20:52.50KotCzarnybest way is using virtual machine image
20:53.14visionvirusKotCzarny: ah, with an old debian? which version?
20:53.37KotCzarnydont know, i personally use chroot (~500mb)
20:53.38Maxdamantussunshavi: hm, no. I was expecting it to be the other way round.
20:53.58KotCzarnybut for a new user, vm is quickest
20:54.05Maxdamantussunshavi: in the fbterm source code that I've got (used by nixpkgs), it has `FT_LOAD_TARGET_LIGHT`
20:54.05visionvirusi mostly use chroot, too
20:54.24visionvirusfor my other partitions, to update em all in oce
20:54.25visionvirusonce
20:54.56visionvirusKotCzarny: which debian version are u using then?
20:55.01sunshaviMaxdamantus: I have the git version. Last log change 2015-05-09 by Arthur Shevchenko
20:55.49Maxdamantussunshavi: hm, yeah, okay, I see that too in the version from https://github.com/gjedeer/fbterm
20:56.51Maxdamantussunshavi: were you just running it from a package manager beforehand? Maybe you should just build from git as-is and see if that works out.
20:57.14sunshavihttps://github.com/izmntuk/fbterm
20:57.16KotCzarnyvisionvirus: im using chroot on my orange pi which is using devuan something something
20:57.24Maxdamantussince when I ran it from both nixpkgs and debian testing, I got the same behaviour where it was presumably only using "light" hinting.
20:59.48Maxdamantussunshavi: yes, that has the change too.
21:00.18DocScrutinizer05visionvirus: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/desktop/
21:00.23DocScrutinizer05VM image
21:00.33Maxdamantussunshavi: in fact, it's the last commit, so good chance that it's not in package repos: https://github.com/izmntuk/fbterm/commit/5b48962aa46648a94e3f74609059830218730455
21:04.29visionvirus22:00 < DocScrutinizer05> visionvirus: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/desktop/
21:04.33visionvirus22:00 < DocScrutinizer05> VM image
21:04.56visionvirusups... somebody got a installable pkg-config deb for maemo5?
21:05.00visionvirusthanX DocScrutinizer05 !
21:05.20sunshaviMaxdamantus: THanks for the help. I am going out again for another couple of hours. I'll be back later
21:08.38DocScrutinizer05aah, completely unrelated but worth remembering... If only I could... :-S
21:08.43DocScrutinizer05~phonetools
21:09.14DocScrutinizer05~listvalues phonetool
21:11.15visionvirus~help
21:15.35DocScrutinizer05~phonecontrol
21:15.35infoboti heard phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
21:15.46DocScrutinizer05^^^ recommended
21:15.55DocScrutinizer05lots of nifty stuff
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21:44.01DocScrutinizer05visionvirus: also see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/dirsnapshot2.png
21:44.56DocScrutinizer05please don't post any full URLs anywhere or this stuff will vanish immediately
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21:46.42visionvirusaha DocScrutinizer05 ok
21:47.27visionviruswhats about that snapshot?
21:47.50visionviruscause of the qemu ?
21:49.14DocScrutinizer05visionvirus: refer http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt
21:49.50DocScrutinizer05Nokia never gave permission to re-host for some stuff
21:56.23visionvirusaha...
21:56.38visionvirusthats a lil uncool ;) from noka .... but ok
21:59.10visionvirusDocScrutinizer05: the links isn available anymore
22:00.29DocScrutinizer05see?
22:02.54DocScrutinizer05>>a lil uncool ;) from noka<< well they never owned the full (C) themselves since they got some stuff outsourced
22:04.04DocScrutinizer05and I guess they only were allowed to use it for shipping with / to N900(-owners)
22:05.29DocScrutinizer05nobody bought $maemo so I guess this is orphaned now, nevertheless I am not interested to find out
22:06.21visionvirusoha, ok
22:10.16DocScrutinizer05weird business shit, nokia didn't own the sourcecode and full unlimited use of the binaries, but the subcontractor didn't own full right on the sourcecode they wrote either
22:11.21DocScrutinizer05so to donate to community like they did with the rest, they would have had to cooperate since only together they completely own that mess
22:12.34DocScrutinizer05that's the most plausible _real_ meaning behind "for differentiation purposes" in
22:12.37DocScrutinizer05~closed
22:12.37infobotit has been said that closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages, or http://elinux.org/N900, or https://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo
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22:14.09DocScrutinizer05well, and "Legacy"
22:15.19DocScrutinizer05lol, and "IPR & licensing issues: ", "Third party:", in http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages
22:16.47DocScrutinizer05https://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo is more worthwhile read
22:37.25visionvirussounds like a meander, nokia and the developers did, then
22:40.18DocScrutinizer05visionvirus: https://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo#SDK maybe a tiny bit interesting
22:41.15DocScrutinizer05however, as said above, installing the SDK is a PITA, get the VM image instead, it's official and "free"
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22:46.00DocScrutinizer05In theory, yopu could even use "factory": the maemo build service associated to maemo-extras-devel
22:46.16DocScrutinizer05;-)
22:47.08DocScrutinizer05but I guess it's pointless without local build environment to first test the code
22:48.23DocScrutinizer05I'm not even sure if it still runs or did lock up a few years ago and nobody noticed
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