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| 16:10.42 | CatButts | my brain is asleep, how do I reboot? |
| 16:10.55 | CatButts | brain reboot |
| 16:11.14 | CatButts | need happen on new slate |
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| 18:58.10 | enyc | meows CatButts |
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| 22:15.49 | CatButts | I am ever-so-slightly closer to getting my messy crosscompiler to work |
| 22:16.52 | CatButts | so, #include <gtk/gtk.h> doesn't come through |
| 22:17.27 | CatButts | but it exists in includes/gtk-2.0/gtk.h |
| 22:18.18 | CatButts | so this means I have to reach out to it with compiler option -IPATH/TO/GTKHEADERS |
| 22:18.35 | CatButts | probably with -I=/........ |
| 22:19.02 | CatButts | the tricky bit is the = |
| 22:19.42 | CatButts | with works as expected with some gcc kits, fails with others |
| 22:21.38 | CatButts | #include <gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h> is out of the question, as the other gtk headers will fail |
| 22:28.21 | CatButts | eh, I will figure it out eventually |
| 22:29.54 | CatButts | errrrrrrrrrr |
| 22:30.12 | CatButts | *but it exists in includes/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h |
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| 22:51.00 | CatButts | hildon is the N900's default UI, yes? |
| 22:51.18 | CatButts | is it safe to assume that if I can see hildon, X server is running? |
| 22:52.05 | CatButts | I want to try out XCB |
| 22:52.50 | Maxdamantus | Yes, hildon runs on X. |
| 22:53.10 | CatButts | aha, thanks |
| 22:53.56 | Maxdamantus | afaik, everything from the "three dots" in Maemo is running in X. |
| 22:54.24 | Maxdamantus | can't remember if the nokia hands are before or after the dots (I disabled them), but that will be in X too. |
| 22:54.48 | CatButts | the three dots being? |
| 22:55.29 | Maxdamantus | At some stage during booting, there should be an animation involving three dots in the middle of the screen. |
| 22:55.45 | CatButts | ah, 4 or 5 dots |
| 22:55.49 | Maxdamantus | Screen is black, but three large white dots flick on/off or something. |
| 22:55.54 | Maxdamantus | yeah, maybe 4 or 5, can't remember. |
| 22:56.18 | CatButts | textured dots where light moves to next one and wraps to first |
| 23:01.09 | sixwheeledbeast | ~boot-process |
| 23:01.09 | infobot | i heard boot-process is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5_boot_process |
| 23:03.56 | CatButts | `ELF |
| 23:04.02 | CatButts | ~elf |
| 23:04.02 | infobot | methinks elf is the Executable and Linking Format .. it is a Binary format used by System V Release 4 Unix. It is also the prefered binary format in Linux. or the little people. There are three kind of elven: Noldor, Sindar and Wood elven |
| 23:04.54 | CatButts | in context of compiling software, an elf .so can be both linked against dynamically, or statically brought into the program, yes? |
| 23:06.22 | CatButts | so, in windows terms, a windows .dll and a compiler lib |
| 23:16.28 | Maxdamantus | ".so" specifically means "shared object", so it's only meant to be used for dynamic linking. |
| 23:17.32 | Maxdamantus | libraries that are meant to be statically linked normally end in ".o", and they're usually packaged in some archive file that end in ".a" |
| 23:20.19 | Maxdamantus | I think Windows has that distinction too, where static libraries are ".lib" or something. |
| 23:21.17 | CatButts | aha, so, .so don't double as "dlls" and libs |
| 23:21.53 | Maxdamantus | They are libs, but they're meant to be linked dynamically, not statically. |
| 23:22.56 | CatButts | so, just the dll part |
| 23:23.14 | Maxdamantus | Sure, where "dll" afaik stands for "dynamically linked library" |
| 23:24.03 | Maxdamantus | doesn't know too much about Windows usage nowadays. |
| 23:24.13 | CatButts | I'm kinda drunk, I should continue tomorrow |
| 23:44.36 | sixwheeledbeast | comparing linux and windows like that is difficult as they do that stuff completely differently. |
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| 23:52.51 | sixwheeledbeast | Package management and dependencies mean the concept of a DLL isn't a thing. |
| 23:53.33 | CatButts | what's package management? |
| 23:53.47 | CatButts | loads everything relative to current directory |
| 23:54.11 | CatButts | *relative to application's executing directory |
| 23:55.12 | CatButts | that's win9x mentality |
| 23:55.15 | CatButts | hue |
| 23:56.03 | CatButts | with advent of NT, you gots things like "documents and settings" per-user profile folder doohickey thing |
| 23:56.19 | CatButts | or whatever they decided to rename it to vista+ |
| 23:57.35 | CatButts | and now, "program files" folder is read-only(you can write with special privileges) |
| 23:57.48 | CatButts | as if to discourage the win9x mentality |
| 23:59.14 | CatButts | loads-a-bollocks, if ya ask me |