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| 05:58.26 | brolin_empey | CatButts: My former colleague said he thinks the model of Windows Mobile smartphone he had is the HTC Touch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Touch |
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| 11:59.57 | CatButts | https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v2.6.29/source/include/linux/netfilter_ipv4/ipt_MARK.h |
| 11:59.59 | CatButts | https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v2.6.29/source/include/linux/netfilter_ipv4/ipt_mark.h |
| 12:00.17 | CatButts | case sensitive filenames, nice |
| 12:02.25 | CatButts | renaming them(and the includes) is easy |
| 12:02.46 | KotCzarny | well, you know those are 2 different files, right? |
| 12:02.47 | CatButts | but problem comes when you distribute sourcecode relying on modified ones |
| 12:02.51 | CatButts | yes |
| 12:03.01 | KotCzarny | just use ntfs |
| 12:03.03 | KotCzarny | instead of fat |
| 12:03.12 | CatButts | I am using ntfs |
| 12:03.24 | KotCzarny | ntfs is case sensitive last time i checked |
| 12:03.47 | CatButts | file winapi needs to explicitly request case sensitivity |
| 12:04.03 | CatButts | guess how often that happens :p |
| 12:04.42 | CatButts | also, you have registry setting negating that request and giving you case insensitive anyway |
| 12:05.14 | CatButts | also, windows 10 added a mechanism for setting per-folder(non recursive) case sensitivity |
| 12:05.41 | CatButts | also, I don't care about windows 10 |
| 12:07.53 | bencoh | honestly I wouldn't even try at that point |
| 12:08.21 | CatButts | why, because a few headers were badly named? |
| 12:08.26 | bencoh | I had the very same issue back when I tried to build a linux kernel from macosx (hfs was mostly case-insensitive back then) |
| 12:08.48 | bencoh | because I suspect there will be more |
| 12:09.01 | bencoh | and there's nothing to gain from the experience |
| 12:09.40 | CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/these_ones.png |
| 12:09.45 | bencoh | oh and, you'll have to bang your head against the whole kernel build process |
| 12:09.58 | bencoh | I mean, makefile defines relying on script resulsts |
| 12:10.23 | CatButts | hmmm, ouch |
| 12:10.51 | bencoh | I dunno how many of those there were back in 2009 |
| 12:11.05 | bencoh | but honestly I wouldn't even think of it in 2020 |
| 12:11.36 | CatButts | thankfully, I like my things simple |
| 12:11.53 | CatButts | though, will be problem when compiling someone else's application |
| 12:13.27 | CatButts | if gcc has defines for telling which host platform it is running on, then that is my solution to renamed header |
| 12:13.40 | bencoh | to be honest it looks better than I thought after looking at the makefile |
| 12:13.44 | bencoh | but you'll still have work to do there |
| 12:16.21 | CatButts | > and there's nothing to gain from the experience |
| 12:16.35 | CatButts | I get to be lazy and comfortable afterward |
| 12:16.59 | CatButts | but you know what they say, about lazy people ending up running more |
| 12:17.00 | CatButts | haha |
| 12:17.22 | KotCzarny | you wouldnt be doing it if lazy |
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| 13:57.10 | CatButts | are there any parameters I should care of when operating ARM gcc crosscompiler, compared to gcc for PC? |
| 13:57.31 | KotCzarny | on crosscompilation yes |
| 13:57.40 | KotCzarny | when native it finds them out itself |
| 13:57.56 | CatButts | say, for a hello_world.c |
| 13:58.04 | CatButts | console printf |
| 13:58.17 | KotCzarny | compile, test |
| 13:58.25 | KotCzarny | if it doesnt work, then yes |
| 13:58.45 | CatButts | I'll find out after putting together bastard GCC |
| 13:58.58 | CatButts | but I have a feeling it won't work |
| 13:59.14 | bencoh | for basic stuff it should work almost out of the box |
| 13:59.37 | bencoh | assuming the toolchain is properly set up, and sysroot is found in expected place |
| 14:00.36 | bencoh | (when build kernels you don't even need any sysroot) |
| 14:00.40 | bencoh | building* |
| 14:00.50 | CatButts | applications |
| 14:01.22 | CatButts | sysroot is GCC's base folder, yes? |
| 14:01.32 | KotCzarny | dont forget to pass ARCH=arm when building kernel |
| 14:04.40 | CatButts | ah yeah, one more thing to ask, default functions |
| 14:04.52 | bencoh | sysroot is more than that |
| 14:04.53 | CatButts | on windows, there are 3 of them |
| 14:05.03 | bencoh | it contains target libs/headers as well |
| 14:05.37 | CatButts | int main() for console, WinMain() for GUI applications, DllMain() for dlls |
| 14:05.43 | CatButts | what's it like on linux? |
| 14:05.56 | KotCzarny | main() |
| 14:06.03 | CatButts | just the one |
| 14:06.10 | KotCzarny | and for gui it just depends what toolkit you use |
| 14:06.16 | KotCzarny | most likely qt5 |
| 14:06.26 | CatButts | yeah no |
| 14:19.57 | CatButts | the compiler name is no longer gcc.exe/gcc |
| 14:31.35 | CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/ohwellitried.png |
| 14:48.04 | CatButts | I am close though, as I have hello world printf running, from unaltered GCC 4.9 |
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| 15:57.19 | CatButts | and now transplant works |
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| 17:24.36 | CatButts | apparently I am only partially done as the bulk of headers and libs are with scratchbox |
| 17:25.04 | CatButts | how does SB interact with GCC, regarding the sysroot |
| 17:27.54 | bencoh | it's ... pretty awful tbh |
| 17:28.24 | bencoh | SB replaces the "default" (ARM-native) compiler with the toolchain's ARM crosscompiler |
| 17:31.22 | CatButts | oh, it duplicates gcc |
| 17:31.53 | CatButts | all this time, I've been toying with default gcc headers and libs |
| 17:33.04 | KotCzarny | sb inteacts with gcc.. a lot |
| 17:33.05 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:35.38 | bencoh | it's not just gcc by the way |
| 17:38.03 | CatButts | soo, SB is an overcomplicated monster that keeps things simple, and attempting a 2nd transplant over gcc folders might result in patient death |
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| 20:45.58 | CatButts | I assume that if a specific header/lib is found both in gcc and scratchbox, the one in SB will take precedence, yes? |
| 21:14.12 | KotCzarny | ask gcc about paths |
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