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| 13:30.09 | Venemo | hey guys, does anyone still have a firmware image for the Nokia N950? |
| 13:31.28 | sixwheeledbeast | I imagine someone may have if you hang about |
| 13:31.34 | sixwheeledbeast | ~n950 |
| 13:31.34 | infobot | it has been said that n950 is limited developer kit device from Nokia on Harmattan. To know about flashing â ~flashing-n950 |
| 13:31.45 | Venemo | ~flashing-n950 |
| 13:31.57 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm |
| 13:32.06 | Venemo | I'm afraid I lost the backups that I used to have of the fw image |
| 13:32.09 | sixwheeledbeast | ~listkeys n950 |
| 13:32.24 | sixwheeledbeast | ~firmware-n950 |
| 13:32.25 | infobot | i heard firmware-n950 is The latest OneClickFlasher for the Nokia N950 is available from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ |
| 13:32.52 | sixwheeledbeast | nokia.com pfft |
| 13:32.56 | sixwheeledbeast | that will be dead |
| 13:33.36 | sixwheeledbeast | ~n950-firmware |
| 13:33.36 | infobot | from memory, n950-firmware is The latest OneClickFlasher for the Nokia N950 is available from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ |
| 13:33.56 | Venemo | yeah it's possibly just a bunch of dead links now |
| 13:34.23 | sixwheeledbeast | :shrug: sometimes a factiod may link to personal copies. |
| 13:34.49 | sixwheeledbeast | your not going to get something "officially" |
| 13:34.58 | KotCzarny | i think i have some beta firmware |
| 13:35.04 | KotCzarny | stashed on request |
| 13:35.28 | KotCzarny | safr.mrrau.eu/maemo/ |
| 13:36.21 | KotCzarny | (beta as in some unreleased version after last released one) |
| 13:36.38 | Venemo | huh, I think I found something on a buired hdd of mine |
| 13:36.48 | Venemo | I have a "DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_RM680-OEM1-916_ARM.bin" |
| 13:37.18 | Venemo | I assume this is what you have too, KotCzarny |
| 13:37.30 | KotCzarny | md5 is available, you can check |
| 13:38.24 | Venemo | will download just in case |
| 13:41.13 | Venemo | looks like the battery is completely dead, too |
| 13:41.24 | KotCzarny | i shall charge mine, huh |
| 13:42.00 | Venemo | will just put it on the charger and see what happens |
| 13:42.05 | KotCzarny | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1562350 |
| 13:42.11 | KotCzarny | this is the thread about this firmware |
| 13:42.52 | Venemo | the device still has some very old nemo image that I worked on in 2013-ish, now I decided to reflash something on it that actually works, or at least, is supposed to be on it anyway |
| 13:43.10 | Venemo | just in case I decide to put it up on ebay or something |
| 13:43.28 | KotCzarny | darn, you have n950 ? |
| 13:43.39 | KotCzarny | lucky |
| 13:44.04 | Venemo | yes, though it has spent the last 6-7 years in a box in a drawer |
| 13:44.34 | KotCzarny | battery might be dead by now |
| 13:44.47 | KotCzarny | or in unstable state when charged |
| 13:44.55 | KotCzarny | observe the bulge |
| 13:45.06 | Venemo | there is no bulge |
| 13:45.21 | KotCzarny | but after charging |
| 13:47.08 | Venemo | ah okay |
| 13:47.35 | Venemo | I wonder what happened to everyone else's N950. some years ago many people on this channel had one |
| 14:08.48 | sixwheeledbeast | collectors item now |
| 14:17.28 | sicelo | i recall some were having issues with screens or something |
| 14:17.34 | Venemo | yeah |
| 14:17.42 | Venemo | mine has that issue too. |
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| 15:03.08 | clort | greets |
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| 15:49.58 | clort | you have a n950 Venemo ? developer device? |
| 15:50.14 | clort | got it from nokia or ebay or something? |
| 15:50.31 | clort | why did they go with omap3 instead of omap4? |
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| 15:54.08 | clort | well it was sent to devs july 2011, omap4 was available in q1 2011, so probably too early |
| 16:03.17 | Venemo | I got it in 2011 |
| 16:03.31 | Venemo | as part of a developer program at the time. |
| 16:03.41 | Venemo | I used to make a few apps back then |
| 16:04.18 | Venemo | clort: AFAIK the reason they didn't use OMAP4 is because OMAP4 doesn't have a modem anymore, or something like that, due to TI having withdrawn from the mobile market by then |
| 16:04.29 | clort | ahh |
| 16:04.57 | clort | are there any you are interested in running on maemo-leste Venemo ? |
| 16:05.26 | KotCzarny | is it possible at all? |
| 16:05.36 | KotCzarny | with all that signed kernel crap etc |
| 16:05.55 | Venemo | I don't think I would actually want to use the N950 as a daily device anymore |
| 16:05.57 | clort | i don't know what you speak of. |
| 16:06.08 | KotCzarny | ~aegis |
| 16:06.09 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 16:06.11 | clort | the droid4 is a fine replacement for n900 |
| 16:06.19 | sicelo | yes you can run own kernels on N950, but it's definitely painful compared to N900 |
| 16:06.24 | clort | oh okay |
| 16:06.31 | Venemo | KotCzarny: Aegis works within the OS, and does not apply when you flash a different OS |
| 16:06.38 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 16:06.47 | Venemo | it is part of the default operating system |
| 16:06.47 | KotCzarny | i must've misunderstood it long time ago |
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| 20:10.06 | luke-jr | I replaced my N900 with a GPD Win and then GPD Win 2 |
| 20:10.54 | clort | how did that hardware work for you |
| 20:35.04 | CatButts | ponders the sanity of installing and using gcc on the N900 |
| 20:37.47 | sunshavi | CatButts: I have tcc for doing on device development |
| 20:39.12 | CatButts | I want to divorce JDK7(currently my only way) |
| 20:39.36 | CatButts | only way I've set up so far |
| 20:40.03 | CatButts | and return to some good ol C |
| 20:40.33 | CatButts | I am considering either on-device |
| 20:40.52 | CatButts | or an arm crosscompiler on windows host |
| 20:42.59 | sunshavi | kotczarny has a nice chroot for linux on arm |
| 20:43.13 | sunshavi | just use an SBC |
| 20:43.23 | CatButts | SBC? |
| 20:43.36 | Wizzup | You can just use qemu-user too |
| 20:43.49 | Wizzup | https://leste.maemo.org/Development#Cross-distro_solution_for_development_inside_an_ARM.2FARM64_chroot_on_a_PC |
| 20:44.17 | sunshavi | but tcc works when You only option is the device {perhaps when lining on a queue waiting for something else |
| 20:44.51 | CatButts | thing is, I want windows host crosscompiling |
| 20:47.05 | CatButts | right, QEMU |
| 20:47.10 | CatButts | eh, that'll do |
| 20:50.29 | sunshavi | Single Board Computer |
| 20:52.31 | KotCzarny | sunshavi: that chroot could also work on n900 |
| 20:52.37 | KotCzarny | since it's an arm device |
| 20:52.52 | KotCzarny | but he could go even easier way with easydebian |
| 20:56.26 | sunshavi | kotczarny: that should be slow and not easy on the sd |
| 20:56.30 | sunshavi | storage |
| 20:56.40 | sunshavi | tcc |
| 20:56.43 | sunshavi | and vi |
| 20:56.53 | KotCzarny | well, gcc isnt that disk intensive |
| 20:57.11 | KotCzarny | the worst part is creating big files with debugging turned on |
| 20:57.25 | KotCzarny | but normal compilations are doable on n900 |
| 20:57.28 | sunshavi | tcc is paramount on those cases |
| 20:58.08 | sunshavi | I remember i installed gcc directly on device . And it was very slow |
| 20:58.31 | sunshavi | But YMMV :) |
| 20:58.48 | KotCzarny | yeah, you have to free as much memory as you can before starting the compile |
| 20:58.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:59.09 | CatButts | I've read someplace of overclocking the N900 to 1.1Ghz |
| 20:59.26 | KotCzarny | overclocking doesnt do catbuttshit when you start swapping |
| 20:59.36 | CatButts | owie |
| 20:59.57 | KotCzarny | its not about cpu speed, but memory being tight |
| 21:00.14 | KotCzarny | cpu speed is secondary |
| 21:02.41 | CatButts | and TCC does not generate the fastest of codes |
| 21:02.56 | CatButts | but can it be worse than Java? :p |
| 21:03.07 | sunshavi | lately just using my n900 as a mobile terminal and also for watching videos |
| 21:03.12 | KotCzarny | i think php might be faster |
| 21:03.13 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:03.49 | CatButts | I ain't setting foot there |
| 21:03.57 | sunshavi | when coding has ended i use the chroot for the final binary |
| 21:04.36 | sunshavi | BTW: qemu is so slow. It just uses a single thread |
| 21:06.10 | CatButts | sunshavi, does "watching videos" include youtube, by any chance? |
| 21:06.49 | CatButts | I have some for of cutetube, but I don't think it's working anymore |
| 21:07.23 | CatButts | *some form of |
| 21:13.13 | sunshavi | catbutts: download it on workstation and samba mounting an watching it with bencoh player which i have aliased as mpv |
| 21:14.40 | CatButts | ah, so whole operation not contained to phone |
| 21:15.42 | KotCzarny | you could probably script it with youtube-dl and some player (gst/mplayer/mpv) |
| 21:20.29 | CatButts | tcc ondevice it is |
| 21:21.09 | CatButts | maybe I can build newer tcc with it |
| 21:21.50 | CatButts | I assume package in maemo repos is rather old |
| 21:22.19 | Maxdamantus | You can play youtube videos on the normal media player if you download them with `youtube-dl -f 'mp4[height<=576]+m4a'` |
| 21:22.47 | Maxdamantus | So don't have to worry about CPU rendering or something. |
| 21:26.23 | sunshavi | fmg fixed cutetube and it was nice having it. perhaps this time cutetube could be also fixed |
| 21:26.55 | Maxdamantus | Perhaps cutetube could just use youtube-dl, like it should. |
| 21:27.04 | KotCzarny | +1 |
| 21:27.14 | Maxdamantus | Since youtube-dl is basically *the* project for downloading youtube videos. |
| 21:27.17 | CatButts | I can't seem to be able to find tcc repos |
| 21:27.25 | Maxdamantus | When youtube downloading breaks in youtube-dl, someone fixes it. |
| 21:27.30 | KotCzarny | but special version that doesnt require 30s to just init itself on n900 |
| 21:27.39 | CatButts | *tcc in repos |
| 21:28.19 | Maxdamantus | `youtube-dl --help` takes 4s here |
| 21:28.27 | Maxdamantus | which seems .. bearable .. to me. |
| 21:28.56 | KotCzarny | weird |
| 21:28.56 | Maxdamantus | Normally when I use youtube-dl on N900, I'm on a slow GPRS network anyway. |
| 21:29.04 | KotCzarny | on my bpim1 youtube-dl -h takes ~12s |
| 21:30.09 | Maxdamantus | It took 7s the first time I ran it just now, but then 4s the second time (presumably after disk caching) |
| 21:30.17 | Maxdamantus | I'm running it off an SD card. |
| 21:30.26 | KotCzarny | it doesnt matter where |
| 21:30.35 | KotCzarny | it's a self contained zip archive |
| 21:30.44 | KotCzarny | that unpacks then runs itself |
| 21:30.55 | Maxdamantus | Ah, I just run it directly from the repository. |
| 21:31.01 | Maxdamantus | So no building involved. |
| 21:31.15 | Maxdamantus | ~/youtube-dl/__main__.py |
| 21:31.47 | KotCzarny | that might be the reason then |
| 21:32.19 | Maxdamantus | ~/youtube-dl/youtube_dl/__main__.py rather |
| 21:32.43 | Maxdamantus | I think `__main__.py -> youtube_dl/__main__.py` is a symlink I made, but running either directly seems to work. |
| 21:33.15 | Maxdamantus | And if things break, I'll just do a `git fetch && git checkout remotes/origin/master` and it should be fixed. |
| 21:33.31 | KotCzarny | i do youtube-dl -U |
| 21:33.43 | KotCzarny | which also downlods and replaces itself |
| 21:35.42 | KotCzarny | darn. cant type dotay |
| 21:35.46 | KotCzarny | fck. |
| 21:35.52 | KotCzarny | *today |
| 21:43.42 | CatButts | where can I get tcc for n900? I don't see it in repos |
| 21:44.52 | KotCzarny | http://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications_name_TCC_-_Tiny_C_Compiler_faq_40_fldAuto_1877.html |
| 21:45.50 | CatButts | right, I think to get this I need to add new catalog |
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| 21:46.12 | KotCzarny | but i strongly suspect its in standard repos somewhere |
| 21:49.40 | KotCzarny | https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1504103&postcount=15 |
| 21:50.31 | KotCzarny | so apparently its in extras |
| 21:50.57 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/t/tcc/ |
| 21:50.58 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 21:53.10 | CatButts | ah, derp |
| 21:53.21 | CatButts | so I had extras-devel |
| 21:54.09 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/t/tcc/ |
| 21:54.13 | KotCzarny | its also in extras-devel |
| 22:02.32 | KotCzarny | i think it's one of the cases where you have to run apt-get install |
| 22:02.52 | KotCzarny | or fiddle with package manager to show all packages |
| 22:03.21 | CatButts | so, HAM can't save me |
| 22:03.28 | CatButts | or whatever it's called |
| 22:05.23 | CatButts | oh shit |
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| 22:05.33 | CatButts | I had it installed all along |
| 22:05.34 | KotCzarny | ka-b00m? |
| 22:05.37 | CatButts | haha |
| 22:08.42 | sunshavi | how have you guys installed youtube-dl on n900? from repos or with easydebian |
| 22:13.19 | CatButts | nappy time |
| 22:14.00 | CatButts | figure tomorrow what do with tcc |
| 22:43.41 | Maxdamantus | sunshavi: I just run it directly from the git repository. |
| 22:44.49 | Maxdamantus | Though I run it in a debian chroot. I have run it outside in maemo before, but it invokes `ffmpeg` with some extra unknown option. I think you can just get rid of the option somehow. |
| 22:44.50 | sunshavi | with python-2.5? |
| 22:45.10 | Maxdamantus | No, 2.7 in both cases. |
| 22:45.34 | sunshavi | i do not remember the exact version of python on n900 |
| 22:45.56 | Maxdamantus | I seem to have both 2.5 and 2.7 installed, but I think youtube-dl requires at least 2.7 |
| 22:47.38 | sunshavi | latest version downloads in two parts : first video , then audio and after that it does the merging |
| 22:48.23 | Maxdamantus | Right, for merging it runs the `ffmpeg` command, but iirc it includes some extra unnecessary argument that maemo's ffmpeg doesn't support. |
| 22:53.28 | Maxdamantus | ffmpeg: unrecognized option '-loglevel' |
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| 22:55.36 | Maxdamantus | Actually, there are other options that it doesn't understand now. |
| 23:00.15 | Maxdamantus | Replaced a bunch of occurences of `'-c', 'copy'` with `'-acodec', 'copy', '-vcodec', 'copy'` and now it works. |
| 23:05.00 | sunshavi | have you forked it?. For all the changes You have done |
| 23:06.19 | Maxdamantus | No. It's probably better to just make an `ffmpeg` wrapper that swaps the options, since it would be more annoying to maintain a forked version of youtube-dl, which gets updated. |
| 23:06.48 | Maxdamantus | (maemo's ffmpeg obviously doesn't get updated, which is why it doesn't have the "-c" option) |
| 23:08.14 | sunshavi | i see. nice job with it |
| 23:21.18 | Maxdamantus | Hm, actually, it doesn't seem to play with the normal maemo media player anymore, though it seems to play smoothly with mplayer. |
| 23:23.20 | Maxdamantus | I guess it's just random as to whether it works there. |
