| 00:00.08 | horseshoecrab | we have special porn on the ipv6 version of xhamster. |
| 00:00.19 | horseshoecrab | its like the ipv6 version of towel.blinkenlights.nl. |
| 00:00.40 | horseshoecrab | but, more practical example: |
| 00:00.44 | horseshoecrab | nat is horrific |
| 00:00.48 | horseshoecrab | its the work of the devil. |
| 00:01.25 | horseshoecrab | its something so crippled and broken that it should be taken out and shot, but it does the job its supposed to do just effectively enough, that despite all that, people use it. |
| 00:01.35 | horseshoecrab | some protocols work "ok" with nat |
| 00:01.48 | horseshoecrab | but others are terrible - voip being the classic example that springs to mind. |
| 00:02.08 | horseshoecrab | its very nice to be able to give everything involved in voip a global ipv6 address and not have to fuss with nat. |
| 00:02.19 | brolin_empey | VoIP is not a specific protocol. |
| 00:02.22 | horseshoecrab | (esp. if you are doing stuff like that at home) |
| 00:02.26 | horseshoecrab | s/voip/sip |
| 00:02.36 | horseshoecrab | my bad |
| 00:06.13 | horseshoecrab | like if you google sip and nat |
| 00:06.26 | horseshoecrab | there are loads of people wailing and gnashing their teeth |
| 00:06.37 | horseshoecrab | ipv6 makes that a lot easier to work with. |
| 00:34.52 | brolin_empey | I use SIP for my VoIP.ms and IPtel.org accounts using only IPv4. It seems to work for me. Microsoft trying to daylight switch the hardware clock of computers running Windows NT instead of using UTC for the hardware clock seems worse than PNAT. FAT file systems with all of their limitations seem worse than PNAT too. |
| 00:46.42 | drathir_tor | brolin_empey: isnt like for such purposes them provide stun servers ? |
| 00:47.35 | drathir_tor | brolin_empey: to proxy connecrions no matter of nats... |
| 01:12.14 | brolin_empey | HTTPS, more generally TLS, breaking forward compatibility may be worse than PNAT too. |
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| 05:43.11 | brolin_empey | I find it novel that not only does the .su ccTLD for the USSR still exist, apparently it even supports IPv6 too even though only IPv4 was used in 1991, when the USSR ended. |
| 06:00.01 | brolin_empey | Does the ccTLD for the GDR (East Germany) still exist, assuming that it did exist? Apparently .dd was never added to the root name servers but was used internally in an isolated network among universities in the GDR before the GDR became part of the FRG. |
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| 06:24.50 | Maxdamantus | What does it mean for a ccTLD to support IPv6? |
| 06:39.57 | brolin_empey | Maxdamantus: The same for any other type of TLD I guess but I thought the English-language Wikipedia has a column/field for IPv6 support in at least one table or list of TLDs, which implies that not all TLDs support IPv6. Maybe what they actually mean is whether AAAA records can be used in addition to A records. I do not know enough about the DNS to answer this question with certainty, would have to research more before answering. |
| 06:58.12 | brolin_empey | Actually, after thinking about it more, I guess what it means is whether the authoritative name server for the top-level domain allows to use an IPv6 address as opposed to only an IPv4 address to specify the authoritative name server for the second-level domain name. Am I correct? |
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| 07:34.19 | Maxdamantus | Got a free N810 with my latest N900 device. Wonder if I can revive the dead battery that it came with. |
| 07:34.32 | Maxdamantus | Was at something like 2.2 V |
| 07:34.39 | KotCzarny | that's dangerous |
| 07:34.43 | KotCzarny | just buy new one |
| 07:35.42 | Maxdamantus | Dangerous trying to revive it, or dangerous to have a working battery that at some point was at 2.2 V? |
| 07:36.27 | sixwheeledbeast | STUN solves a lot of the v4 VOIP issues. |
| 07:38.38 | Maxdamantus | Hm. After keeping it on charge at around 3.8 V for a minute or so, it seems to be staying at around 3.5 V off charge. |
| 07:38.58 | sixwheeledbeast | Until every ISP can offer v6 the transition will be slow. NAT was a pretty clever work around IMO. |
| 07:38.59 | Maxdamantus | Will leave it like that for a bit longer then try just putting it in the device with the charger. |
| 07:39.16 | Maxdamantus | (leave it off charge that is) |
| 07:39.21 | sixwheeledbeast | Lithium are unstable if they are faulty |
| 07:41.28 | KotCzarny | danger being li-ion crystallizing inside |
| 07:41.37 | KotCzarny | which can damage internal structure |
| 07:41.47 | KotCzarny | further leading to internal shorts and fire |
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| 07:43.44 | KotCzarny | if you put it into device, charge without backpanel |
| 07:43.58 | Maxdamantus | afaict, 2.2 V is not particularly dangerously low. |
| 07:43.59 | KotCzarny | so you will see when it puffs |
| 07:44.03 | KotCzarny | it is |
| 07:44.08 | Maxdamantus | and it is at least an official Nokia battery. |
| 07:44.09 | KotCzarny | anything lower than 2.9 |
| 07:44.19 | Maxdamantus | No, that's silly. |
| 07:45.06 | KotCzarny | it's about crystallization, which happens faster on lower voltages |
| 07:45.33 | KotCzarny | multiply it by the time it was at that state |
| 07:45.53 | KotCzarny | and your chance of a pocket fire grenade is high |
| 07:50.13 | Maxdamantus | Hmm.. wondering if the charging mechanism on the device actually doesn't work. It's at least able to boot now into the charging mode (by plugging in the power source while the battery is in), but it just says "Not charging", and the power supply is not drawing any current (when it booted, it was drawing around 6 W) |
| 07:50.33 | KotCzarny | well, correction, at lower voltages copper dissolves into electrolyte, then such electrolyte during charging creates dendrites (crystallizes) creating spikes |
| 07:50.36 | Maxdamantus | I saw the same behaviour when trying it using an Asha 503 battery in it (have to hold it awkwardly) |
| 07:51.23 | KotCzarny | would it be battery reporting that it's not safe to charge again? |
| 07:51.42 | KotCzarny | so dumb charger will work, but not n900's one |
| 07:51.44 | bencoh | Personally I'd leave it charging at 3.8V for a longer time |
| 07:52.11 | bencoh | (and keep an eye on it, obviously) |
| 07:52.11 | Maxdamantus | I don't really have a way of controlling the charging voltage. Was just using a 5 V supply on it. |
| 07:52.29 | bencoh | Did you ... charge it at 5V? :D |
| 07:52.37 | bencoh | (I hope no) |
| 07:52.42 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 07:53.39 | Maxdamantus | I put a 5 V power supply on it, and the circuit went up to around 3.85 V. Obviously don't want to leave it like that for more than a minute or so, so was hoping it would just be enough to boot the device into a charging mode. |
| 07:54.02 | bencoh | well ... |
| 07:54.06 | sixwheeledbeast | on the device or just straight on the battery? |
| 07:54.10 | bencoh | let's up you didn't damage it further |
| 07:54.10 | KotCzarny | you can use some resistor to drop 5v into ~4v |
| 07:54.23 | bencoh | s/up/hope/ |
| 07:54.28 | bencoh | infobot: <3 |
| 07:54.28 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, <3 is love |
| 07:54.32 | bencoh | haha |
| 07:54.38 | brolin_empey | âWonder if I can revive the dead battery that it came with.â seems grammatically ambiguous because it is not clear whether the intended antecedent of the pronoun âitâ is the N810 or the N900 but in this context I guess it does not matter if both models of computer use the same model of battery. Do the predecessors of the N900 also use a Nokia BL-5J or BL-4J battery? If yes then calling this model of battery a âcell phone batteryâ seems like a |
| 07:54.38 | brolin_empey | misnomer, as is common or even usual for common usage, because not all of the models of computers even from Nokia, the first party, that use this model of battery have cellular telephony capability. |
| 07:55.01 | Maxdamantus | The N810. |
| 07:55.27 | Maxdamantus | and no, this N810 battery is apparently a "BP-4L" |
| 07:56.37 | sixwheeledbeast | https://www.polarcell.de/handyakkus/nokia/ersetzt-originalakku-polarcell-li-ion-akku-ersetzt-originalakku-nokia-bp-4l.html |
| 07:57.35 | bencoh | 1700mAh? hmmm |
| 07:57.41 | Maxdamantus | I'm able to awkwardly get an Asha 503 battery into it, in which case the device boots and runs fine, though still when attaching the charger with that, it says "Not charging". |
| 07:58.13 | bencoh | Maxdamantus: I don't remember what the 3rd pin is supposed to be |
| 07:58.27 | KotCzarny | 1wire communication |
| 07:58.28 | Maxdamantus | I guess it might be useful to try and wire the BP-4L in its nearly-working state to the Asha 503, which should be able to charge it correctly. |
| 07:58.28 | bencoh | (it could be an id resistor, or a thermistor) |
| 07:58.35 | bencoh | or that |
| 07:58.44 | sixwheeledbeast | they have a Li-PO version too cheaper but less capacity |
| 07:59.15 | bencoh | anyway, the 3rd pin on the Asha battery might have some other use, and charger will decide not to charge because of this. |
| 07:59.23 | Maxdamantus | We'll see. |
| 08:01.40 | KotCzarny | you can always use piece of paper to block unused contacts |
| 08:02.30 | bencoh | KotCzarny: unless they are required |
| 08:05.37 | KotCzarny | anyway, new polarcell doesnt cost much, and will have much higher usability (working capacity) |
| 08:05.54 | KotCzarny | unless you just want to play for an hour on that n8x0 |
| 08:06.27 | sixwheeledbeast | the issue I see with n810 batteries is they are exclusively for old Nokia devices. N900 size have other uses. |
| 08:09.51 | brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast: Such as Symbian computers? Heh. |
| 08:12.52 | sixwheeledbeast | A good few DECT phones Siemens/Gigaset, a couple still in production. |
| 08:13.06 | brolin_empey | Why did Nokia release the C6-00 with a microUSB connector but still have a separate barrel connector for power? It took me a while to realise why I could not power the computer from the microUSB connector whilst I briefly had a C6-00 in 2010. |
| 08:13.53 | sixwheeledbeast | also the nokia devices are more likely to be still around |
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| 08:29.35 | Maxdamantus | Seems that the Asha refused to charge it. Looks like an N900 is charging it though. |
| 08:29.59 | bencoh | :) |
| 08:30.11 | KotCzarny | different charging chip protocol? |
| 08:30.19 | KotCzarny | i wonder if it's the case |
| 08:30.29 | Maxdamantus | Feels like a dodgier setup though. It's even harder to hold it in place in the N900 (using aluminium foil around the contacts), and N900 has a ground shield behind the battery tied to negative. |
| 08:30.30 | KotCzarny | or just different safe-guard params on phones |
| 08:30.59 | Maxdamantus | Dunno. |
| 08:32.06 | Maxdamantus | The Asha would start the charging mechanism (which involves showing a battery symbol with a lightning bolt in it), but it would just turn off before getting to the stage where it would show a charging icon instead. |
| 08:32.42 | Maxdamantus | And when I booted the actual OS on the Asha, it said something like "needs charge" including with a power source. |
| 08:33.55 | KotCzarny | 3d print universal battery adapter |
| 08:33.57 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:34.30 | Maxdamantus | If I covered the third pin when putting the battery in the Asha, it would do the same thing, but it would reboot (back to the lightning bolt picture) after turning off. |
| 08:34.56 | KotCzarny | it might be the bme in asha is more picky about state of charge |
| 08:35.06 | KotCzarny | similar to 5dot syndrome on n900 |
| 08:35.52 | brolin_empey | Re: calling the N900 a âphoneâ: The N900 does not have cellular connectivity in Canada unless you happen to use Rogers Wireless or one of its MVNOs due to the limited cellular modem used in the N900. |
| 08:37.29 | Maxdamantus | Hm, and BL-5J in the N810 still gets the "Not charging" message. |
| 08:37.53 | sixwheeledbeast | :shrug: it's still a phone. Just because you take something somewhere you can't use it doesn't change it's properties. |
| 08:38.11 | sixwheeledbeast | Also there's VOIP |
| 08:42.59 | brolin_empey | Actually, there may have been other cellular networks in Canada using AWS (in the cellular connectivity context, not the Amazon context although you can use AWS over AWS) that were compatible with the N900 cellular modem but I think at least one of those companies is defunct by now. I keep mentioning this fact about the limited cellular modem of the N900 because I live in Canada. |
| 08:45.17 | brolin_empey | Granted, Nokia did not even release the N900 in Canada, maybe because they realised that this hardware limitation made the N900 not competitive. |
| 08:52.22 | brolin_empey | The reason for Apple not releasing the original Apple iPhone in Canada may be similar because, if I recall correctly, the cellular modem in the original iPhone is compatible only with the Rogers Wireless network, not with Telus Mobility nor Bell Mobility. Canada having a total population less than only the US state of California, where Apple is, is likely also part of the reason. |
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| 08:59.20 | Maxdamantus | Hm. Wonder if the issue is just the power supply that came with this N810. Haven't been able to test its voltage while charging. |
| 08:59.42 | Maxdamantus | It's just a cigarette lighter supply. |
| 09:00.43 | Maxdamantus | will try to attach another source to it later. |
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| 15:50.40 | buZz | i miss using the N810 |
| 15:50.48 | buZz | its such a nice device |
| 15:50.57 | buZz | if only the specs were a bit better |
| 16:15.48 | brolin_empey | I messaged my contact at the KingSpec Global Store via the SMS/MMS, will see if I receive a reply but it is currently just after midnight in the two Chinas. |
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| 17:13.19 | sixwheeledbeast | ~sb |
| 17:13.20 | infobot | rumour has it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 17:14.14 | brolin_empey | Remote Procedure Call calls, heh. |
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| 20:58.35 | luke-jr | buZz: GPD Win 2 isn't too bad |
| 20:59.22 | luke-jr | major problems are Intel backdoor and batteries inflating |
| 21:00.47 | buZz | and unswappable battery? |
| 21:01.02 | buZz | luke-jr: i'm really liking the droid4 with leste |
| 21:01.37 | luke-jr | buZz: I've swapped mine a few times |
| 21:01.52 | luke-jr | custom battery tho, so when they stop making it, we're screwed :/ |
| 21:01.52 | buZz | already? |
| 21:01.54 | luke-jr | yes |
| 21:01.58 | luke-jr | once a year it seems |
| 21:02.10 | buZz | its amazing how many different sizes of lipo pouches you can get on aliexpress btw |
| 21:02.35 | apason_ | mist sais kuivattui neekereitä |
| 21:02.56 | luke-jr | buZz: GPD Win 2 batteries are 2 batteries glued together basically |
| 21:03.24 | buZz | like this ; https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32864710983.html , -looks- like the right size to fit in a droid4 |
| 21:03.39 | apason_ | sorry, wrong channel and stupid inside joke |
| 21:03.57 | buZz | luke-jr: i'm sure you're able to glue something yourself :) |
| 21:04.47 | luke-jr | buZz: not going to try unless I absolutely have to |
| 21:04.54 | buZz | :) |
| 21:05.00 | luke-jr | just got 2 new batteries |
| 21:05.02 | luke-jr | cost me $100 :< |
| 21:05.17 | luke-jr | one I had to use immediately, and 1 spare |
| 21:06.17 | buZz | in zipit z2 , originally it came with a 1230mAh cell, grabbing one from aliexpress that fit gave me 2000mAh and ~10 hr of usage |
| 21:06.58 | luke-jr | this time around, I configured my CPU to max at 50% CPU |
| 21:07.02 | luke-jr | and turned off half the cores |
| 21:07.12 | luke-jr | hopefully that will help avoid battery expansion |
| 21:07.15 | buZz | brightness down helps a ton aswell :) |
| 21:07.27 | buZz | and not going under ~10% and over ~90% |
| 21:07.31 | luke-jr | most of the time I keep the screen off |
| 21:07.43 | luke-jr | and I configured it to hibernate at 40% a year ago :p |
| 21:07.50 | luke-jr | I can't avoid going over 90% |
| 21:07.50 | buZz | :) |
| 21:08.12 | luke-jr | stupid Chinese people don't understand when I ask how to turn off the charger in software :/ |
| 21:08.29 | buZz | heh |
| 21:08.30 | luke-jr | (not that Chinese people are stupid, but these particular Chinese people don't understand English well enough) |
| 21:08.48 | buZz | or you dont know enough mandarin :D |
| 21:09.01 | luke-jr | well, they *could* have different staff for each language |
| 21:09.22 | buZz | hmhm |
| 21:09.27 | buZz | or outsource it to us |
| 21:11.38 | luke-jr | yeah, no reason they shouldn't be able to get batteries made in the US and avoid $80 shipping |
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| 23:02.53 | ShadowJK | The contrast between english speaking world and the rest is pretty stark |
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| 23:03.36 | ShadowJK | I was dealing with an industrial supplier in Italy, fully expecting that there'd be no issue communicating in english in europe |
| 23:04.51 | ShadowJK | Then they kinda fucked up their email replies. The engineer I was talking to, in his email reply, accidentally quoted the 3 different translators he had been emailing to figure out what I was saying :( |
| 23:05.31 | ShadowJK | I should have known it was suspicious when they were replying in less broken english than the germans usually do... |
| 23:05.54 | ShadowJK | (germans dont use translators, they just write german if they dont know english words) |
| 23:05.58 | ShadowJK | :D |