| 00:00.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 00:01.01 | k1r1t0 | I,am clear installed stock firmware and CSSU Thumb2 |
| 00:01.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU Thumb ruined a lot of your options regarding recovery and kernel |
| 00:03.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~thumb |
| 00:03.24 | infobot | rumour has it, cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 00:06.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | k1r1t0: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb#The_Catch |
| 00:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ff |
| 00:07.56 | k1r1t0 | I,am read thread TMO |
| 00:09.07 | k1r1t0 | Thumb2 modifed kernel, not install u-boot |
| 00:09.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | in short when you fscked up a CSSU-thumb, your only way out is to flash standard OS then install CSSU-thumb again. You prolly can't flash a matching kernel |
| 00:10.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~uboot |
| 00:10.14 | infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 |
| 00:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | to rescue your data and root partition, you may try rescuefs |
| 00:11.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | rescueos? |
| 00:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rescueos |
| 00:11.51 | infobot | rescueos is probably http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 00:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you *may* succeed to extract the kernel image for flasher-3.5.exe ... --flash-only = kernel from the .deb package of powerkernel |
| 00:18.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | given you know which jernel is the one used in u-boot. WAIT, you got thumb and u-boot? That's even more convoluted, I can't recall how exactly this is supposed to work. Chainload of powerkernel from u-boot siameste twin kernel? |
| 00:18.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | where's pali when you need him? |
| 00:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway when you had thumb, you ran powerkernel and you need the matching modules in rootfs. When you boot any other kernel (even a different version of powerkernel) then you will get a bootloop from kernel panic since the modules make kernel barf up |
| 00:23.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why restoring or flashing a rootfs renders your system fubar when you installed thumb, iirc |
| 00:23.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | likewise flashing a kernel will need flashing of rootfs for getting matching modules |
| 00:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you did a >>flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only = kernel -f<< then your system will not come up since you previously installed powerkernel modules in rootfs |
| 00:30.21 | sicelo | with a thumb + u-boot system, you need to have KP somewhere (there's an install file for that, kernel-img iirc), and have a uboot entry for KP -> Thumb |
| 00:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and how do you recover from a flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only = kernel -f ? |
| 00:36.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly by reflashing only, right? |
| 00:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rescueos |
| 00:38.03 | infobot | i heard rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 00:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lf |
| 00:38.09 | infobot | somebody said #maemo lazyflashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
| 00:38.38 | sicelo | you could just reflash KP image |
| 00:39.06 | sicelo | this will let you boot your CSSU+Thumb, and then fix your u-boot |
| 00:39.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that was what I suspected might be possible, but you need the (right version) KP image |
| 00:43.33 | sicelo | KP53 should be fine |
| 00:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you could extract and flash --kernel-only that kernel.img ? |
| 00:44.51 | sicelo | yes. there's actually a ready bootimg. let me see if i can find it |
| 00:46.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | k1r1t0: ^^^ |
| 00:47.09 | sicelo | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/pool/free/k/kernel-cssu/kernel-cssu-bootimg_2.6.28-10cssu3_armel.deb |
| 00:48.57 | k1r1t0 | Thanks, i,am flash all image and cssu thumb2 |
| 00:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | k1r1t0: wait, what exactly do you want to do now? flash whole device (and lose your rootfs) or flash kernel-only? |
| 00:50.11 | sicelo | k1r1t0: if you use uboot with a Thumb system, then you MUST setup bootmenu properly to start Maemo Fremantle with the correct kernel |
| 01:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaaah I seem to recall there was a "Do *NOT* reboot the system after installing uboot before you also installed the kernel", or sth like that |
| 01:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | then, what for would you use uboot in this config, if you don't have a optional system "elsewhere" non-rootfs |
| 01:23.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | re-reads >>I flashed u-boot and lost my normal state. Then I flashed the kernel from Nokia, but the device does not start<< carefully |
| 01:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the "simple" answer is: get the CSSU-thumb kernel image |
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| 01:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind, I'm wrecked today/now from watching TV news all day long of politicians explaining "COVID crisis terminated, COVID management phase two starting" |
| 01:40.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | in http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/pool/free/k/kernel-cssu/kernel-cssu-bootimg_2.6.28-10cssu3_armel.deb when untaring you'll find data.tar.gz which you untar to find /boot/zImage-2.6.28.10-cssu3 |
| 01:42.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | which in turn should fit for flasher-3.5 -F zImage-2.6.28.10-cssu3 --flash-only = kernel -f ; I hope |
| 01:43.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it doesn't, check fiascogen to package that file in a way so it meets flasher's taste |
| 01:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fiascogen |
| 01:44.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn |
| 01:50.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Flash kernel and reboot: |
| 01:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | $ 0xFFFF -m kernel:<file> -f -r |
| 01:51.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF/blob/master/doc/examples |
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| 08:36.53 | sixwheeledbeast | One reason of keeping thumb as a separate flavour is due to this issue IIRC |
| 08:38.49 | sicelo | separate flavpur, meaning? |
| 08:39.43 | sicelo | s/flavpur/flavour/ |
| 08:42.02 | sixwheeledbeast | CSSU "flavour" |
| 08:42.42 | sixwheeledbeast | keeping Testing, separate |
| 08:43.45 | kirito | https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 08:45.12 | sicelo | Okay |
| 08:47.39 | kirito | CSSU-Thumb is based on CSSU-Testing flavor, but uses a very low level patch to kernel to overcome the bugs in OMAP chip related to thumb/ARM mixed code. Thus the binaries from CSSU-Thumb will not work in a "normal system", and several things like uBoot or flashing --flash-only=kernel stop working the way they used to, and you need to take special |
| 08:47.39 | kirito | care regarding the changed behaviour of those. |
| 08:49.57 | sicelo | kirito: your system is fine now? |
| 09:04.11 | kirito | Yes, I havenât been able to restore my rootfs image. Installed a clean system, but without u-boot. I used u-boot to run the OS on a flash drive https://maemo-leste.github.io/ |
| 09:06.00 | sicelo | what was your system before u-boot? was it Thumb? |
| 09:06.38 | kirito | u-boot can be used without a PC, using the sudo ./0xFFFF -m test / u-boot-2013.04-2.bin -l command. The l attribute only loads into RAM without flashing to memory. |
| 09:07.17 | kirito | sicelo Yes |
| 09:08.22 | sicelo | yes @u-boot ...that's basically how it gets installed in the first place :-p |
| 09:08.48 | sicelo | anyway, so you need to restorr your rootfs, or not really? |
| 09:09.41 | kirito | I already set everything up again |
| 09:10.46 | sicelo | cool |
| 09:12.11 | sicelo | by the way ... that u-boot command you wrote above ... you might as well load the kernel you want to use, not u-boot |
| 09:14.05 | sicelo | also, N900 is notorious for weak USB port, so if you'll need to be loading other kernels frequently, you should lo at seting up u-boot properly |
| 09:16.42 | kirito | As I understand it, there is no Thumb2 kernel under U-Boot |
| 09:19.56 | sicelo | there is |
| 09:20.17 | sicelo | i linked to it about 10 hours ago |
| 09:28.52 | sicelo | which kernel do you have installed? please show your output for `dpkg -l kernel-* | grep ^ii` (pastebin) |
| 09:31.57 | k1r1t0 | home/user/0xFFFF # dpkg -l kernel-* | grep ^ii No packages found matching kernel-RX-51:2204_2.6.28-20103103+0m5. |
| 09:34.11 | sicelo | Mmm, that's your only output? |
| 09:34.37 | KotCzarny | why not just dpkg -l|grep kernel |
| 09:35.41 | k1r1t0 | /home/user/0xFFFF # dpkg -l | grep kernel |
| 09:35.43 | sicelo | lists too many other things, e.g. libdrm2 :-) |
| 09:35.43 | k1r1t0 | ii kernel-cssu 1:2.6.28-10cssu3 Flashable Linux kernel (kernel cssu 2.6.28.1 |
| 09:35.45 | k1r1t0 | ii kernel-cssu-flasher 1:2.6.28-10cssu3 Linux kernel updater (kernel cssu 2.6.28.10) |
| 09:35.47 | k1r1t0 | ii kernel-cssu-modules 1:2.6.28-10cssu3 Linux kernel modules (kernel cssu 2.6.28.10) |
| 09:35.49 | k1r1t0 | rc kernel-modules 2.6.28-20103103+0m5 Linux kernel modules |
| 09:35.51 | k1r1t0 | ii libdrm2 2.3.1-3 Userspace interface to kernel DRM services - |
| 09:35.53 | k1r1t0 | ii module-init-tools 3.4-1maemo5+0m5 tools for managing Linux kernel modules |
| 09:36.22 | KotCzarny | sicelo: but at least gets some output ;) |
| 09:36.47 | sicelo | this works too (at least it works on mine) |
| 09:37.16 | KotCzarny | might be shell matched some kernel-* files in current dir |
| 09:37.35 | KotCzarny | that's why it should be 'kernel-*' |
| 09:37.52 | sicelo | k1r1t0: right. install kernel-cssu-bootimg |
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| 09:38.31 | kirito | Can I do without u-boot and use bootmenu? |
| 09:39.04 | sicelo | kirito: there is nothing wrong with u-boot :-) |
| 09:41.16 | sicelo | if you plan on playing with Leste and other OSes, u-boot is your best option. we'll help you set it up |
| 09:41.53 | sicelo | (fwiw, i have u-boot + thumb here on my n900) |
| 09:42.49 | sicelo | to answer your question directly, no you can't use bootmenu one ... well it's not going to be useful. |
| 09:43.05 | sicelo | s/one/alone/ |
| 09:43.22 | kirito | You understand that there are three options for CSSU: stable and testable + SSU / Thumb community which is fundamentally different |
| 09:43.41 | sicelo | i understand, yes. |
| 09:44.37 | kirito | ok, what is the procedure? |
| 09:45.25 | sicelo | install kernel-cssu-bootimg |
| 09:49.37 | sicelo | then, u-boot and u-boot-tools. after this, be sure to not reboot your system |
| 09:51.03 | kirito | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:54.38 | sicelo | sorry i'm on a bad connection here, but yes, you then need exactly that ln command |
| 09:58.03 | sicelo | after update-bootmenu, it should be safe to reboot and confirm u-boot loads correct kernel for CSSU THumb. |
| 09:58.39 | sicelo | let us know how it goes |
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| 10:20.51 | kirito | Nokia-N900:~# apt-get install kernel-cssu-bootimgReading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DoneRecommended packages: multiboot kernel-power-settings usbip iptables kexec-toolsThe following NEW packages will be installed: kernel-cssu-bootimg0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.Need |
| 10:20.52 | kirito | to get 1937kB of archives.After this operation, 2015kB of additional disk space will be used.Get:1 http://maemo.merlin1991.at fremantle/free kernel-cssu-bootimg 1:2.6.28-10cssu3 [1937kB]Fetched 1937kB in 5s (350kB/s)Selecting previously deselected package kernel-cssu-bootimg.(Reading database ... 24995 files and directories currently |
| 10:20.52 | kirito | installed.)Unpacking kernel-cssu-bootimg (from .../kernel-cssu-bootimg_1%3a2.6.28-10cssu3_armel.deb) ...Setting up kernel-cssu-bootimg (1:2.6.28-10cssu3) ... |
| 10:21.07 | kirito | Nokia-N900:~# apt-get install u-boot-flasherReading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DoneSome packages could not be installed. This may mean that you haverequested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstabledistribution that some required packages have not yet been createdor been moved out of |
| 10:21.08 | kirito | Incoming.The following information may help to resolve the situation:The following packages have unmet dependencies: u-boot-flasher: Depends: kernel-modules (= 2.6.28-20103103+0m5)E: Broken packages |
| 10:25.45 | sicelo | please use a pastebin for pasting logs |
| 10:27.05 | sicelo | it would seem you are missing a core repository catalog |
| 10:29.18 | kirito | http://repository.maemo.org/community/ ? |
| 10:29.34 | sicelo | you should have one of the Nokia repository mirrors in the Application Manager |
| 10:29.47 | sicelo | ~mirro |
| 10:29.52 | sicelo | ~mirror |
| 10:29.52 | infobot | well, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new |
| 10:30.27 | sicelo | i use the muarf mirror |
| 10:30.43 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 10:30.43 | infobot | i guess maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 10:30.48 | KotCzarny | might come handy |
| 10:31.40 | kirito | use maemo.muarf.org |
| 10:32.09 | sicelo | Ah, that one is better thanks KotCzarny |
| 10:36.51 | k1r1t0 | /home/user # apt-get update |
| 10:36.53 | k1r1t0 | Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release.gpg |
| 10:36.55 | k1r1t0 | Ign http://repository.maemo.org Hit http://maemo.muarf.org ./ Packages |
| 10:36.57 | k1r1t0 | Fetched 6013B in 7s (761B/s) |
| 10:36.59 | k1r1t0 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 10:37.01 | k1r1t0 | W: GPG error: http://maemo.muarf.org ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 |
| 10:37.05 | k1r1t0 | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 10:38.04 | KotCzarny | you can ignore warnings about expired keys |
| 10:39.27 | kirito | After installing kernel-cssu-bootimg, I canât reboot the device, right? |
| 10:43.23 | sicelo | you can ... but after onstalling uboot, dont |
| 10:44.11 | sicelo | (even if you did, there's a way to recover ... but no need to put ourselves tgrough pain) :-) |
| 10:44.40 | sicelo | sorry for typos ... terrible network + android vkb |
| 10:45.11 | kirito | no problems |
| 10:47.01 | kirito | I understand that u-boot is not installed because it cannot find the correct kernel version? |
| 10:52.08 | sicelo | Now you have the correct repos i believe? so you can install uboot again |
| 10:53.20 | kirito | I did not change repo, it was configured earlier |
| 10:53.45 | kirito | u-boot-tools is installed |
| 10:54.30 | kirito | u-boot-flasher Depends: kernel-modules (= 2.6.28-20103103+0m5)E: Broken packages |
| 10:57.38 | sicelo | let's see your repo list. |
| 10:58.15 | sicelo | cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 10:58.30 | sicelo | pleaae post to a pastebin |
| 10:59.23 | k1r1t0 | /home/user # cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 10:59.25 | k1r1t0 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free |
| 10:59.27 | k1r1t0 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free |
| 10:59.29 | k1r1t0 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free |
| 10:59.31 | k1r1t0 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free |
| 10:59.33 | k1r1t0 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free |
| 10:59.35 | k1r1t0 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/ fremantle free non-free |
| 10:59.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:01.15 | sicelo | heh |
| 11:02.25 | buZz | RIP :( |
| 11:03.48 | Maxdamantus | Malicious website alert. |
| 11:26.24 | sicelo | Poor guy ... still not back |
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| 11:52.11 | KotCzarny | we told you to use pastebin |
| 11:52.18 | KotCzarny | and not to paste directly to irc |
| 11:52.32 | KotCzarny | pastebin.com for example |
| 12:06.39 | buZz | he'll figure it out and be back eventually |
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| 13:42.26 | kirito | Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.listdeb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-freedeb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-freedeb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-freedeb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-freedeb |
| 13:42.26 | kirito | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-freedeb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/ fremantle free non-freedeb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./deb |
| 13:42.27 | kirito | http://deb.opera.com/maemo fremantle non-freedeb http://qole.org/repository/ maemo fremantledeb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-freedeb http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/ fremantle free non-free |
| 13:42.36 | KotCzarny | use the pastebin.com |
| 13:42.43 | KotCzarny | or freenode will ban you again |
| 13:44.06 | kirito | Show an example |
| 13:44.18 | KotCzarny | open in browser: https://pastebin.com |
| 13:44.32 | KotCzarny | paste the text there, then copy the resulting link and paste here (only link) |
| 13:46.13 | kirito | https://pastebin.com/UNMuZBP9 |
| 13:46.30 | KotCzarny | good |
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| 13:47.21 | KotCzarny | (for pastebinning, i dont remember repos list) |
| 13:58.35 | sicelo | kirito: strange. you have the right repos. you're sure you've apt-get updated? |
| 13:59.02 | sicelo | $ apt-cache showpkg kernel-modules |
| 13:59.24 | sicelo | 2.6.28-20103103+0m5 (/var/lib/apt/lists/maemo.muarf.org_apt-mirror_mirror_downloads.maemo.nokia.com_fremantle_ssu_mr0_._Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status) |
| 13:59.39 | sicelo | this is what mine shows |
| 14:00.31 | kirito | https://pastebin.com/ujpxZt6A |
| 14:04.00 | sicelo | install them, apt-get install kernel-modules |
| 14:06.16 | kirito | https://pastebin.com/NWT8msMQ |
| 14:06.50 | kirito | it seems this is not Thumb2 modules |
| 14:07.20 | KotCzarny | if i were you, i would start with freshly flashed device without adding any custom repos |
| 14:07.22 | sicelo | you have a really weird install :-) |
| 14:07.36 | KotCzarny | then installed cssu flavour, then added back things you want |
| 14:08.23 | kirito | Thumb2Thumb2 is another instruction set, which has most of the power and speed of ARM ISA, but its instructions could be 2 bytes in length instead of 4 bytes.According to some research that can be found on internet, using Thumb2 ISA leads to reduction of code size in 30-40% without sacrificing much of the performance (some 2-5% performance |
| 14:08.24 | kirito | decrease). |
| 14:08.30 | sicelo | (and yes they aren't Thumb modules ... you already have those installed) |
| 14:10.13 | sicelo | are you even really on Thumb? |
| 14:10.58 | kirito | yes |
| 14:11.12 | sicelo | what's in Settings > General About Community SSU |
| 14:11.25 | kirito | Yes |
| 14:11.27 | kirito | https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 14:12.07 | kirito | 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo12 |
| 14:12.23 | sicelo | you're not on thumb thrn |
| 14:12.31 | sicelo | *then |
| 14:13.21 | sicelo | mine has +thumb0 at the end |
| 14:13.54 | sicelo | maybe keep testing ... |
| 14:15.30 | kirito | How to remove kernel-cssu-bootimg ? |
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| 14:17.05 | sicelo | apt-get remove |
| 14:17.44 | sicelo | that just provides you a kernel suitable for uboot ... doesn't do anything else to the system, so it's safebto keep/delete |
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| 14:41.54 | kirito | sicelo show df -h |
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| 15:31.10 | sicelo | why? |
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