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| 07:16.07 | brolin_empey | It seems like it would be much easier inclusive-or simpler to have a computer boot from an easily removable non-volatile writable medium such as an SD card than from non-volatile memory soldered on the motherboard, such as eMMC or other forms of fixed/soldered flash memory, because then you could even use only the mobile/embedded computer itself or any other computer with an SD card reader/writer to modify the boot medium instead of having to use a USB |
| 07:16.07 | brolin_empey | loader program on a physically separate computer, which obviously requires that the USB port on the mobile/embedded computer still works. Apparently the PinePhone will be able to boot from an SD card but I do not know if the PinePhone will work well for running recent versions of Android? |
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| 07:28.36 | brolin_empey | I guess it should be feasible to boot and run the same OS installation on an SD card on a PinePhone as on the other form factors of Pine computers, even including the PineBook? |
| 07:32.28 | Maxdamantus | I suspect boot medium is not usually a significant aspect of the device. It's just a matter of what's there. |
| 07:33.04 | Maxdamantus | You can easily set up an N900 to basically work that way. |
| 07:34.01 | Maxdamantus | I think the main question is whether or not there is internal memory. aiui, SD cards tend to be a lot less reliable than flash, but I think that's because SD cards are expected to be disposable, not due to some inherent manufacturing reason. |
| 07:35.13 | KotCzarny | inherent reason is lack of space for the silicon? |
| 07:35.38 | KotCzarny | and price/cost cutting |
| 07:35.41 | Maxdamantus | Personally, I would rather the main storage be replacable without soldering. eg, I have a Kobo Clara HD, which internally just uses a microSD for its main storage. It came out of the box with an 8 GB microSD card, which you can replace if you are able to copy the image to a new card. |
| 07:36.00 | KotCzarny | there are emmc cards |
| 07:38.34 | Maxdamantus | Well, the main reason is people's expectations, which you could characterise as price/cost cutting in that the economical thing is to provide what is expected. |
| 07:39.16 | Maxdamantus | SD cards don't last as long as internal flash storage because people don't expect them to. |
| 07:39.31 | KotCzarny | greatly depends on the card and os |
| 07:39.38 | Maxdamantus | If they did last that long, people would be spending more for those cards. |
| 07:39.58 | KotCzarny | my bpi-r1 works for some years now on sandisk industrial |
| 07:40.07 | KotCzarny | (now 'endurance' series) |
| 07:40.27 | KotCzarny | cost twice as much per gb but works |
| 07:41.20 | Maxdamantus | Exactly. I suspect that's still not as reliable though, eg, as the eMMC storage in an N900. |
| 07:41.36 | Maxdamantus | how many people's N900 storages have failed? |
| 07:42.13 | KotCzarny | who knows, it's indistinguishible from chip failures for many |
| 07:44.56 | Maxdamantus | I suspect there's also an aspect of planned obsolescence involved in making the storage non-replacable. |
| 07:45.24 | KotCzarny | i wouldnt go as far |
| 07:45.42 | KotCzarny | its cheaper/faster to solder the chip than to add socket and inserting card in it |
| 07:45.55 | Maxdamantus | aiui, phones nowadays tend not to have any replacable storage at all, so you can't just keep using your same old device with bigger and bigger SD cards. |
| 07:46.22 | Maxdamantus | But it's cheaper for the end user to at least allow extendable storage. |
| 07:46.34 | KotCzarny | also, sdcard probably means some license fees for manufacturer, no? |
| 07:47.33 | Maxdamantus | I really doubt that's a significant reason for Apple/Samsung/etc to not have SD slots on their phones. |
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| 07:47.50 | KotCzarny | slots take space too |
| 07:47.51 | Maxdamantus | (assuming Samsung doesn't have SD slots; I don't really know; I know that Apple doesn't though) |
| 07:48.43 | Maxdamantus | Sure, but if you do a cost/benefit analysis from an end user perspective, I'm pretty sure an SD slot would be a major win. |
| 07:49.06 | KotCzarny | unless people go online and dont care about storages anymore |
| 07:49.10 | Maxdamantus | I'm pretty sure storage is a major reason people upgrade phones. |
| 07:49.13 | KotCzarny | netflix/yt/tidal/spotify etc |
| 07:49.38 | KotCzarny | now its mostly needed for apps |
| 07:49.52 | KotCzarny | which usually means 32gb is a much more than ever neede |
| 07:49.56 | Maxdamantus | Given than iPhones are still increasing significantly in storage, I don't think that's quite correct. |
| 07:50.10 | Maxdamantus | newer iPhone = more storage |
| 07:50.17 | Maxdamantus | if you want more storage, you need to buy a new phone |
| 07:50.20 | KotCzarny | marketing |
| 07:50.22 | Maxdamantus | can't just replace an SD card |
| 07:50.24 | KotCzarny | bigger, newer! |
| 07:51.14 | KotCzarny | tbg, if not for the mp3/avi, i wouldnt need more than 2-4gb on n900 |
| 07:51.18 | KotCzarny | *tbh |
| 07:52.30 | Maxdamantus | Apparently Samsung does have SD slots in modern phones. |
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| 07:55.21 | Maxdamantus | I have a ZIM version of the English Wikipedia on my N900 (no images), which is 34 GiB |
| 07:56.11 | Maxdamantus | unfortunately it's about two years old, it looks like they're having issues continuing to create those archives. |
| 07:56.48 | Maxdamantus | and 36 GiB of music |
| 07:57.52 | Maxdamantus | I also have things like bootable live Linux systems which I can expose using g_file_storage |
| 08:00.08 | Maxdamantus | and usually when I want to copy some files from someone else's computer, I expect to be able to just do something like `touch tmpdisk && truncate -s20G tmpdisk && mkfs.vfat -F32 tmpdisk && modprobe g_file_storage file="$PWD"/tmpdisk` |
| 08:00.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:01.58 | brolin_empey | I had to stop using my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 around a year ago because the Android 4.4 OS became too antiquated to run lots of current software, not because I needed more than 32 GB of fixed flash memory. The SD card reader/writer does not work on my Galaxy Note 3 so I had only 32 GB of eMMC for everything. |
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| 08:07.50 | brolin_empey | Extended support for Windows 7, which was originally released in 2009, ended only this week but the HTC Dream, the first computer to ship with Android, was originally released only in 2008. |
| 08:13.46 | brolin_empey | The upgrade treadmill for Android and other consumer mobile OSes seems to be much faster than for âdesktopâ OSes that have been evolving since the 1990s or earlier. Mac OS X has a fast upgrade treadmill, which may be part of the reason for its small market share/installed base. |
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| 15:10.50 | badcloud_21 | Does anyone have a working sources.list for easydebian? |
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| 15:34.13 | badcloud_21 | If I'm running stock maemo, no CSSU, will an armhf img of Debian work with easydebian? |
| 15:35.06 | badcloud_21 | Or does it have to be armel |
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