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| 09:25.57 | sixwheeledbeast | PIA acquired by Kape Technologies https://www.technadu.com/kape-technologies-acquire-private-internet-access-vpn-early-2020/85391/ |
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| 10:50.51 | sicelo | tested syncing tasks with iPhone 5C. so it seems Android/DAVx5/OpenTasks is a bit too pedantic about timezone ... the iPhone shows the tasks with the correct date. just no alarm (which i don't mind too much) |
| 10:52.08 | buZz | sixwheeledbeast: oh gee, wonder if Andrew is gonna sell freenode to some faceless tech company aswell |
| 10:52.58 | sixwheeledbeast | I suppose the concern is Kape Techs history |
| 10:53.16 | sicelo | is DocScrutinizer05 still with PIA? |
| 10:53.20 | KotCzarny | freenode has a commercial value? |
| 10:53.52 | buZz | the data does |
| 10:53.59 | buZz | the network doesnt |
| 10:55.19 | sixwheeledbeast | Indeed I could see fake AI bots leaning the conversation on topics I believe that goes on in other platforms |
| 10:56.37 | buZz | GPT-2 trained on someone's irc text would be a -very- good basis for identity copying |
| 10:57.25 | buZz | or theft |
| 10:57.52 | sicelo | silly q - isn't that data already easily accessible? |
| 10:59.02 | KotCzarny | depending on 'easily' |
| 10:59.13 | KotCzarny | i think freenode has channels limit |
| 10:59.20 | KotCzarny | so you just cant join all |
| 10:59.29 | KotCzarny | and also has a policy against bots |
| 10:59.40 | buZz | yeah i hit that limit a bunch of times |
| 10:59.55 | buZz | if you can read along on the serverside, there would be lower chance of people noticing |
| 10:59.56 | KotCzarny | sure, nsa probably has it's own freenode connection |
| 11:00.10 | KotCzarny | but commercial entrepeneurs dont |
| 11:00.19 | buZz | like andrew lee? |
| 11:00.35 | KotCzarny | who is that? |
| 11:00.55 | sixwheeledbeast | sicelo: The issue is it being done internally by a company not just by any random bot. |
| 11:01.48 | sixwheeledbeast | Freenodes owner? |
| 11:02.32 | buZz | KotCzarny: andrew lee is korean prince that owns Londontrustmedia who owns PIA and Freenode and some NYC brothel and some wrestling stuff |
| 11:02.46 | buZz | and a house in LA that looks like its been in >50% of porn movies |
| 11:02.59 | KotCzarny | irc can generate a lot of data, so he probably has to partner with some company for data processing |
| 11:03.09 | buZz | he owns a ton of companies |
| 11:05.10 | sixwheeledbeast | The other thing is if an IRC network became out of favour then you can always move to another it's not proprietary |
| 11:05.33 | buZz | yeah OFTC is still voluntary run |
| 11:05.42 | buZz | and not owned by some single royalty company |
| 11:07.30 | KotCzarny | thing is that freenode became de facto standard for development/projects support |
| 11:07.36 | KotCzarny | and cooperation |
| 11:07.41 | sixwheeledbeast | People that use IRC now are more tech knowledgable so upsetting them may lead to mass migration and therefore nothing to monitor. It's probably a lose lose situation. |
| 11:08.11 | buZz | sixwheeledbeast: yeah i think andrew didnt think it through |
| 11:08.17 | buZz | he also owns kiwiirc btc |
| 11:11.10 | KotCzarny | thing is, its not that easy to migrate |
| 11:11.22 | KotCzarny | and it all depends on cost calculation |
| 11:11.49 | KotCzarny | if there is money to gain from selling data that will make up for the cost of the network, guess what will happen |
| 11:12.41 | buZz | so you're argueing the data is already being sold a lot |
| 11:12.54 | KotCzarny | isnt it? |
| 11:12.57 | buZz | and the commercial owner of freenode cant proof anything to guarantee it doesnt happen |
| 11:13.57 | buZz | so when is #maemo moving to OFTC? |
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