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| 06:43.13 | brolin_empey | I guess the answer is yes but is the term âletterâ as in a form of written correspondence (spelling?) still used even when using a writing system such as Chinese or Japanese that does not use letters? |
| 06:49.29 | brolin_empey | I guess in the same way that the term âright of wayâ is still used even where road traffic is on the left side of the road. |
| 06:54.43 | sicelo | what is your syncevolution use case xmn? you're xman on tmo? |
| 07:24.09 | Maxdamantus | brolin_empey: are you asking if people speaking English would use the word "letter" to refer to CJK characters? |
| 07:25.05 | Maxdamantus | brolin_empey: because most English speakers probably don't spend much time talking about CJK characters. |
| 07:25.47 | Maxdamantus | brolin_empey: and "letter" is an English word. In the more relevant languages, they're going to use different words which might have different meanings. |
| 07:27.48 | Maxdamantus | Oh, you're asking if English speakers would describe letters written in Chinese as "letters". |
| 07:28.40 | Maxdamantus | I suspect the answer to that is "yes", but it's not going to be something most people think about. |
| 07:29.15 | sicelo | also i think (non-native English speaker here) that "right" in 'right of way' does not refer to the right side, but means "right" as something you are entitled to. |
| 07:29.39 | Maxdamantus | Right. |
| 07:31.43 | Maxdamantus | The words are etymologically related in both cases, but they have fairly distinct meanings for their different uses. |
| 07:32.43 | Maxdamantus | eg, the notion of "left" and "right" used to correspond to evil/good, sinister/dexter |
| 07:32.49 | Maxdamantus | wrong/right |
| 07:40.53 | KotCzarny | nope, it was from the times where people travelled on horses |
| 07:41.14 | KotCzarny | and there was left-lane convention |
| 07:41.24 | KotCzarny | right hand was for holding the weapon |
| 07:41.25 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:42.26 | Maxdamantus | That explains which side of the road people drive on (arguably), but it doesn't explain the connection between "right of way" and "right (direction)" |
| 07:42.44 | KotCzarny | well, when cars were invented, it was forcibly standardized |
| 07:42.47 | Maxdamantus | I don't think "right of way" has ever referred particularly to the direction. |
| 07:42.52 | KotCzarny | for some other reason |
| 07:43.08 | Maxdamantus | also, "right of way" doesn't even mean "which side of the road" |
| 07:43.17 | KotCzarny | but the generic term 'right of way' comes from the horsies era |
| 07:44.15 | KotCzarny | and as always, google helps to find etymology of that sentence |
| 07:44.41 | Maxdamantus | but how much does "right of way" even have to do with "right (direction)"? |
| 07:45.02 | Maxdamantus | Currently in countries that drive on the right, you tend to have the right of way if you're turning right. |
| 07:45.16 | KotCzarny | never said that it came from the right/left. only said it was related to horsies |
| 07:45.34 | Maxdamantus | but that's based on standardised rules (and to some extent, geometry). |
| 07:46.03 | brolin_empey | I did not include the Korean language in my list of example languages that do not use an alphabet because my understanding as a Westerner but who has studied languages and writing systems is that the Korean language has multiple writing systems, specifically at least Hangul and Hanja but I thought that at least Hangul is closer to being like an alphabet than the Chinese writing system using Chinese characters/ideograms because I thought Hangul has much fewer |
| 07:46.03 | brolin_empey | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.05 | Maxdamantus | eg, in NZ we've always driven on the left, but until recently, right-turning traffic had the right of way. |
| 07:48.55 | Maxdamantus | brolin_empey: I think Japanese/Korean are kind of in a similar state there. Both have some sort of alphabet, but they also both use Hanzi/Kanji/Hanza. |
| 07:49.17 | Maxdamantus | (ideographs borrowed from Chinese) |
| 07:50.16 | Maxdamantus | s/Hanza/Hanja/ |
| 07:55.15 | sicelo | oh well, whatever the history of the expression may be, in current usage means the one with right of way is entitled to move first. in current usage it doesn't seem to have anything to do with direction. |
| 07:55.32 | sicelo | ass meant donkey for aeons. today ... |
| 07:57.48 | KotCzarny | hello richard |
| 07:57.49 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:58.35 | brolin_empey | Stallman? |
| 08:00.28 | Maxdamantus | Presumably one that goes by "Dick". |
| 08:00.49 | KotCzarny | words mutate |
| 08:00.55 | KotCzarny | language is fluid |
| 08:01.17 | KotCzarny | and memes are viruses that mutate it forcibly and fast |
| 08:01.42 | KotCzarny | and live long changing other words and meanings on the way |
| 08:03.06 | KotCzarny | ads are artifically created capitalist memes |
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| 09:56.57 | Wikiwide | Why does it take so long for Modest to Send&Receive? It doesn't even show "Refreshing"! |
| 09:57.48 | Wikiwide | I have nought in Outbox, so there is no Sending involved, even. |
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| 10:35.16 | KotCzarny | ssl negotiation and directories listing? |
| 10:35.27 | KotCzarny | and checking mail ids |
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| 12:24.27 | KotCzarny | http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/acadapter.html |
| 12:24.28 | KotCzarny | har har |
| 12:28.41 | sicelo | gwd! |
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| 12:41.33 | gamontecarlo | Is there any remotely recent browser for Maemo 5 on the N900 other than Opera? |
| 12:47.12 | APic | lynx ð |
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| 13:11.36 | gamontecarlo | So PostmarketOS, which coincidentally would have a more recent version of Firefox. |
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| 14:02.50 | buZz | doesnt dillo work? |
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| 15:02.16 | bencoh | dillo works |
| 15:02.30 | bencoh | but it's not the best browser for modern websites (unfortunately) |
| 15:08.04 | sicelo | postmarketod does nit have firefox on n900, iirc (alpine loves purging stuff, and ff depends on something they currently don't have on ARM, possibly Rust) |
| 15:08.31 | sicelo | typos ... writing on samsung galaxy, :( |
| 15:12.05 | bencoh | desktop firefox on n900 would be plain unusable anyway |
| 15:12.31 | bencoh | it's quite awful on droid4 ... I wouldn't even think about running it on n900 |
| 15:12.54 | sunshavi | sicelo: rust is installe on my opi+2e which is arm |
| 15:12.58 | bencoh | (well, on droid4 it's more okayish than awful ... but not great) |
| 15:13.11 | sicelo | what about recent fennec, bencoh ? |
| 15:14.12 | sicelo | sunshavi: i don't recall exact missing dependency, but iirc there's no FF for ARM in Alpine currently |
| 15:15.20 | sunshavi | that is weird. ff works on archlinux arm aka alarm |
| 15:15.29 | sicelo | there used to be, however, hence there are a couple of screenshots showing FF on pmOS devices |
| 15:20.16 | sicelo | sunshavi: alpine/pmos is quick to remove stuff, so i don't find that weird (anymore) |
| 15:25.48 | sicelo | FF only available on x86_64 and aarch64, https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=firefox&branch=edge |
| 15:26.25 | sunshavi | perhaps nobody is compiling it for 32 bits |
| 16:21.41 | sicelo | so yes, it is Rust .. |
| 16:21.44 | sicelo | https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports/pull/10778 |
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| 17:40.33 | tdlnx | Question: I recently dug out my n900 (last used in 2014) - is there still a community keeping this thing useful? |
| 17:40.43 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 17:40.49 | KotCzarny | google about maemo-leste |
| 18:14.02 | tdlnx | Awesome |
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| 20:34.08 | CatButts | https://www.imbushuo.net/blog/archives/725 |
| 20:34.26 | CatButts | I was gonna ask if theoretically, windows 10 could be coaxed to run on an n900 |
| 20:34.43 | CatButts | but I realize UEFI requirement is showstopper |
| 21:05.18 | sicelo | eew! |
| 21:05.46 | CatButts | for shits and giggles |
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| 22:51.08 | Maxdamantus | Why couldn't UEFI be implemented on N900? |
| 22:52.21 | dreamer | there is no uefi |
| 22:52.39 | dreamer | or you want uboot to emulate one or something? |
| 23:18.53 | buZz | > An implementation of the UEFI API was introduced into the Universal Boot Loader (Das U-Boot) in 2017.[75] On the ARMv8 architecture Linux distributions use the U-Boot UEFI implementation in conjunction with GNU GRUB for booting (e.g. SUSE Linux [76]), the same holds true for OpenBSD.[77] For booting from iSCSI iPXE can be used as a UEFI application loaded by U-Boot.[78] |
| 23:19.01 | buZz | seems to only exist on armv8? not sure |
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| 23:24.55 | buZz | [edit] |
| 23:24.55 | buZz | Intel's first Itanium workstations and servers, released in 2000, implemented EFI 1.02. |
| 23:24.58 | buZz | Hewlett-Packard's first Itanium 2 systems, released in 2002, implemented EFI 1.10; |
| 23:25.08 | buZz | all that stuff is just retro enterprise :P |