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| 11:09.01 | Wikiwide | I have headache the size of Mariana Trench. |
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| 11:24.14 | brolin_empey | Oksana: That sounds like a megapain. |
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| 11:56.24 | Wikiwide | I have headache the size of Mariana Trench. |
| 11:57.16 | Wikiwide | I just solved a problem by using "lsof | grep deleted" because df wasn't showing correctly that a file was moved from homefs to MyDocs. |
| 11:58.48 | Wikiwide | But on my way, I had to uninstall pierogi, qtoctave, fettuccini, and other packages. At least, now I have 96MB free on homefs. |
| 11:59.16 | Wikiwide | It will not last long. Tracker and thumbnails take up lots of space. And so does fennec. |
| 12:00.05 | Wikiwide | But at least, I have got some breathing space. |
| 12:02.20 | Wikiwide | It will take a while for tracker to re-index everything... |
| 12:03.12 | Wikiwide | At least, RC boat seems to work. Even if on/off button is troublesome to the extent of having to remove batteries from the boat in lieu of switching it off. |
| 12:03.43 | Wikiwide | But it's not waterproof enough to survive underwater adventures. |
| 12:04.45 | Wikiwide | I wish Fxtec Pro would be shipped already. Librem is depressingly bankrupt - and I haven't even pre-ordered it, and I am already depressed. |
| 12:06.20 | brolin_empey | Purism is bankrupt? |
| 12:06.33 | Wikiwide | At least, Dragonbox Pyra seems to be safe from dire financial straits. I hope I shall not call grief onto them by pointing out that so far, they are about the only reliable company amidst modern PDA designers. |
| 12:06.51 | Wikiwide | brolin_empey: Internet says so. |
| 12:07.33 | Wikiwide | They have only a handful of prototypes? They haven't delivered devices despite promises? They haven't passed cellular certification? |
| 12:08.03 | Wikiwide | Their video do not show actual calls being made? Their camera and bluetooth aren't working? |
| 12:08.09 | brolin_empey | I think that rah was working for Purism? |
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| 12:12.59 | Wikiwide | No idea. I am just repeating rumours I have seen on the web about Librem |
| 12:13.34 | Wikiwide | And after failure of Saygus (empty promises, Smaug), Suncorp (bank in Japan, deceptive pyramid of investment), |
| 12:14.33 | Wikiwide | Neo900 (the great part is, they are open about it, and have released all schematics)... |
| 12:15.15 | Wikiwide | I am impatient for Pyra and Fxtec Pro1 to restore my faith in the world. |
| 12:17.15 | Wikiwide | I wouldn't want to see a validation of my suspicion that world has lost skills to make anything valuable. |
| 12:19.46 | Wikiwide | Part of problem is, certification seems to be a significant stumbling block. Saygus tried to pass it, had to adjust antenna, went quiet. Librem hasn't passed certification at all. |
| 12:19.49 | Wikiwide | Has Fxtec Pro passed the certification yet? What about Pyra? |
| 12:21.23 | Wikiwide | Tracker is indexing. Halfway through MyDocs. |
| 12:21.42 | Wikiwide | /me is whining, a lot |
| 12:21.46 | KotCzarny | i will never understand people using any trackerd like solution |
| 12:21.52 | KotCzarny | switch to oscp and be free! |
| 12:21.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:22.23 | brolin_empey | Fxtec is in the UK. At least for the USA, I think you can see what has been submitted to or passed by (?) the FCC on the Internet so maybe it is the same in the UK? |
| 12:23.04 | Wikiwide | oscp is directory based, right? |
| 12:23.17 | KotCzarny | yes, but also knows about .m3u |
| 12:23.30 | KotCzarny | so you can prepare your mood/genre lists yourself |
| 12:23.53 | KotCzarny | with a single iteration of 'find ... >list.m3u' |
| 12:24.10 | Wikiwide | How do you detect music's artists, genres, and all the other metadata? |
| 12:24.15 | KotCzarny | on load |
| 12:24.32 | KotCzarny | and i assume user already categorized his files somehow |
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| 12:25.03 | brolin_empey | Or her files in this case. |
| 12:25.14 | Wikiwide | So, on each oscp load, oscp grasps hundreds of files and franticlly tries to process them? |
| 12:25.20 | KotCzarny | my media structure is genre/artist/album/files |
| 12:25.23 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 12:25.30 | KotCzarny | it stores last loaded playlist |
| 12:25.38 | KotCzarny | and doing ls is cheap on computers |
| 12:25.59 | KotCzarny | no processing on playlist load/start |
| 12:27.21 | Wikiwide | Huh, that's a neat trick... But what if you want to find music of 1980s, any genre, any artist, any album? |
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| 12:27.44 | KotCzarny | you can prepare your custom .m3u playlist |
| 12:27.52 | KotCzarny | with some simple script |
| 12:28.10 | Wikiwide | You basically do trackerd's work manually, and encode the information in fs. |
| 12:28.14 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 12:28.18 | KotCzarny | i dont |
| 12:28.25 | KotCzarny | because i dont do that |
| 12:28.31 | KotCzarny | but it's a possibility |
| 12:28.46 | KotCzarny | when i want to play some artist, i navigate to proper dir and just play |
| 12:29.20 | Wikiwide | You do. Encode not as cipher, but as "let's change filename/filepath to include all the metadata required". |
| 12:29.48 | KotCzarny | nope, more like 'i'll put that album where it should be' |
| 12:30.12 | KotCzarny | and it's one time work when i add new music |
| 12:30.30 | KotCzarny | contrary to what trackerd does now on you |
| 12:31.03 | Wikiwide | It could even be possible to make a software to switch between trackerd way of storage and oscp way of storage. Only, manually is more reliable. |
| 12:32.02 | KotCzarny | trackerd can play more tricks, but it's not worth it IMO |
| 12:53.34 | brolin_empey | Oksana: Wikipedia seems to not say anything suggesting that Purism is bankrupt. Same with the official Purism Web site. Have you seen https://puri.sm/posts/first-librem-5-smartphones-are-shipping/ ? |
| 12:57.24 | brolin_empey | Hmm, hurrian is not here? |
| 12:57.32 | brolin_empey | ~seen hurrian |
| 12:57.34 | infobot | hurrian <~hurrian@unaffiliated/rikanee> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 408d 4h 22m 56s ago, saying: 'yeah, LGA775 has Nvidia chipsets, but holy hell they were buggy'. |
| 12:59.46 | brolin_empey | Yikes, was that already over a year ago? Tempus fugit. |
| 13:02.40 | brolin_empey | What happened to him (her?)? Has he really been gone for over a year? Apparently no user named hurrian is currently online on freenode but maybe he has been here while infobot was gone? |
| 13:06.46 | brolin_empey | ~seen rikanee |
| 13:06.47 | infobot | brolin_empey: i haven't seen 'rikanee' |
| 13:13.54 | brolin_empey | ~seen god |
| 13:13.55 | infobot | god <~god@184.90.114.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #devuan, 530d 17h 37m 38s ago, saying: 'Thanks'. |
| 13:14.18 | brolin_empey | ~seen brolin_empey |
| 13:14.18 | infobot | brolin_empey is currently on #neo900 #maemo. Has said a total of 24 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen brolin_empey'. |
| 13:14.46 | brolin_empey | ~seen infobot |
| 13:14.46 | infobot | infobot is currently on #webos-internals (1d 20h 57m 41s) #nslu2-linux (1d 20h 57m 41s) ##pxe (1d 20h 57m 41s) #webos-watercooler (1d 20h 57m 41s) #devuan (1d 20h 57m 41s) ##lds (1d 20h 57m 41s) #handhelds (1d 20h 57m 41s) #fredlug (1d 20h 57m 41s) #handhelds-familiar (1d 20h 57m 41s) ##leaguesunited (1d 20h 57m 41s) #metano_linux (1d 20h 57m 41s) #n9 (1d 20h ... |
| 13:18.29 | rah | brolin_empey: yes, I do work for Purism |
| 13:18.42 | rah | please note that many people on the Internet talk utter bollocks |
| 13:19.04 | rah | please take this in reference to Purism and for life in general |
| 13:21.59 | brolin_empey | Anyway, I wanted to tell hurrian that apparently 16 GiB of DDR4 SDRAM DIMMs (2Ã 8-GiB) now sells new for as little as 90 CAD but then I guess I would still have to spend hundreds of CAD to buy a new motherboard and CPU that uses DDR4 SDRAM instead of using the LGA775 + DDR2 SDRAM motherboards I already have. |
| 13:24.27 | brolin_empey | rah: Yes, I realise that (talking bollocks). |
| 13:29.55 | brolin_empey | Actually, hurrian was suggesting that I buy used DDR3 SDRAM DIMMs so I guess the price of DDR4 SDRAM is not relevant in this context? |
| 15:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | >><Wikiwide> Part of problem is, certification seems to be a significant stumbling block.<< Well, building a phone is more involved than a lot of enthusiasts and moneymakers out there think it was |
| 15:19.52 | KotCzarny | i have high hopes for pinephone |
| 15:20.49 | KotCzarny | https://www.pine64.org/2019/09/05/september-update-the-pinephone-is-real-shipping-soon/ |
| 15:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I am missing the OpenHWdocs aspect even getting mentioned by any of those players |
| 15:29.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and after Nokia defeated my question about bootloader in Meego inception meeting ("The bootloader is not even a topic for us") and then betrayed community with a tivoized-by-aegis "secure-bootloader" N9 design, I'm *very very* skeptical about all those "we care about our customers, freedom and security" marketing BS-bingo companies |
| 15:31.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia lost the sense for proper design and "the right ting" with Quim Gill, I'd think. Other companies seem to never even have such mentor |
| 15:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the "we provide the OS and the source of this is the platform docs" approach is ubiquitous in FOSS and particularly in phone making companies. It's a shame |
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| 16:36.29 | brolin_empey | Are QNX (BlackBerry 10) and XNU (Apple iOS) the only non-Linux-based *nix OSes used on a âmobile telephoneâ? I mean BlackBerry 10 is based on QNX and Apple iOS uses the XNU kernel also used by Mac OS X as far as I know. Someone began porting some form of BSD to the OpenMoko GTA02 but I do not know if it (this OS) had cellular telephony capability. |
| 16:41.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | on GTA02 basically a bash script had "cellular telephony capability" |
| 16:43.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | cellular data is a tad more tricky |
| 16:44.44 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Yes but, if I recall correctly, the only non-Linux-kernel-based OSes on the GTA02 were the BSD port I already mentioned and some other OS that was not based upon a preexisting OS. |
| 16:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Android? ;-) |
| 16:47.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't even recall all the OSes that were indevelopemnt for GTA02. Android prototype implementation was GTA02 iirc |
| 16:48.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | android has no X11 so I'd not call it a true linux |
| 16:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui |
| 16:48.32 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: No, Android uses a Linux (2.6 and higher) kernel. This OS was maybe not even a *nix design. I do not remember the name of it but it was released or at least announced in around 2009 or 2010 if I recall correctly. |
| 16:49.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I only know of linux based OS versions developed in or around OM |
| 16:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | there was that Qt abomination that also didn't use X11 |
| 16:51.01 | brolin_empey | QtMoko? |
| 16:51.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's likely the name of it |
| 16:51.37 | brolin_empey | Well, Qtopia AKA Qt Extended Improved, which is used by QtMoko. |
| 16:53.22 | brolin_empey | If I recall correctly, Qt Extended Improved is the successor to Qtopia? |
| 16:54.09 | brolin_empey | radekp (Radek Polak) had QtMoko running on the N900 and GTA01 in addition to the primary platform of the GTA02. |
| 16:55.13 | KotCzarny | DocScrutinizer05: allwinner a64 is mostly mainlined by community |
| 16:55.37 | KotCzarny | also, pine folks upload schematics too |
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| 20:28.15 | sicelo | talking about android and x11, i wonder if we'll see wayland adaptations for android |
| 20:29.54 | sicelo | brolin_empey: https://jaylittle.com/post/view/2019/10/the-sad-saga-of-purism-and-the-librem-5-part-1 is one of the sites that seems to 'prove' that things aren't looking good for Purism. maybe he's reading the facts wrong, but ... it looks like he's correct |
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| 22:37.05 | brolin_empey | sicelo: I redd all three parts of that story. A âphoneâ that cannot be used for (PSTN) telephone calls sounds like a âlaptopâ that cannot be used on top of a lap: see my comment on https://liliputing.com/2014/09/hp-announces-the-14-inch-300-hp-stream-laptop.html#comment-1774642743 |
| 22:52.37 | bencoh | sicelo: uh, I'm not even certain I want to keep reading on that article ... the begining just sounds depressing :/ |
| 22:53.15 | bencoh | (and the photo makes it even more so :( ) |
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